The PR War in Gaza

Hey Gjhdad and Ree,
if you want to get in touch outside this forum get in touch with me through my blog @ http://jafrajenin.blogspot.com/
leave a comment with your email addresses in it. all comments require my approval and your email addresses won't be posted on my blog. when you send the comment, please repost some of it here minus your email addresses. i just want to make sure that it's you and not the dimwit. as soon as i get your email addresses, i'll get in touch with you.
cheers,
Jafra

Well, if my proof is not valid, neither is yours. Everything you've posted is Big Fat Israeli propoganda, all of whom are caught up in self worth. You think God promises you land? Ha!! You're so deluded. I think God would rather promise land to the sheep and cattle, at least they're honest.

At least there's two more people on there supporting Jafra. NOBODY is supporting you because you're off your rocker! Good luck with your views, you really, really need it. Mentalist.

Hahahaha Naver!!! You saw the Youtube vids, you're just too ashamed and full of self-worth to admit it. But it's ok because I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. The Arabs and Muslims wouldn't want to be associated with such a narrow-minded, derogatory heathen..

You haven't actually proven ANY of my points wrong with any facts, you just tried to wash over them with your drivel. Same for Gihad and Jafra's comments. I think you're the only one that sounds like a lunatic. And if we provide proof, you call us ;liars. Well you know what, you're the biggest liar of all of us. But you actually believe your sick and twisted lies because you're too dumb to realised you're brainwashed.

Face it, Israel is a monster created by Zionists and they're slowly trying to kill Palestinians and wipe out the entire race, the only problem is they can't control it because the arabs breed like rabbits. Sorry to ruin your pathetic dream but Palestine does not "belong" to the Jews, Islam will NEVER be eradicated and the Arabs will continue to prosper, With travel becoming more accessible, more and more people can see what you're saying is absolute crud, they don't need you to try to convince them otherwise. I'd quit now before you resemble an absolute goon any more.

Hello Jafra and many thanks for the message. You did a great, factual job in trying to make your case. There are certainly better audiences and certainly more intellectual people than this monkey urine.
Anyway creeps like these can be irritating but they are petty blather in the end game.
Please read the material from a more consciencious group such as Israel Shahak, Stanley Heller of the Middle East Crisis Commitee and Norman Finkelstein, the latter of which proved that people like Alan Dersowitz, Elie Weisel, and Joan Peters are frauds and hucksters. Today, a friend of mine who is a well liked and well respected Rabbi, invited me to lunch and he spoke as a problem solver not a problem maker. Most importanly, lets talk with eachother. Creeps like the one on this blog use propganda against us so much and try to discredit our people so much that we look for Jewish sources to buttress our cases. That is okay, as long and their not nimble brains like the vomitus that wrote in , but we need to use our people as sources. We know best what the crimes that were commited against us. are. And many Jews want to help, many don't. But we cannot allow the unhelpful people discredit our suffering and /or submerge it with their propaganda. Where in the world, when a crime is committed do they not ask and listen to the victim? The Palestinian and Lebanese victims know more than anyone how, when, where and what they suffer.
This pile of whale terd ,that wrote in knows how slimey he and others have been. He knows about the pschological report etc. Seek the many conscientious Jews and most importantly, listen to the victims themselves as they know how much they suffered and they know what they need and want.
Jafra and Dee, Lets find a way to communicate with one another, outside this blog. TrooH wa Terja be salame ya Akhi wa Okhti. Allah ysalamkom. The Stone Mason

Gjhdad and Ree,
i say that we ignore this dimwit and let him spew whatever that he wants. the poor thing doesn't have a life and constantly sits to write the same tired rhetoric about the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims. he knows well that the time when people in the west believed everything that the israelis said is over. in the past, they used the judeo-christian alliance against the Muslims and Arabs to demonize us, but the europeans have managed to see beyond this hateful orientalist propaganda. unfortunately, the people in the US are so ignorant of the world and yet they believe that they know it all and those are the ones that believe the zionist propaganda machinery until we show them what the zionists do in Palestine. they lack a decent source of information and that is why the US cable companies refused to carry Al-Jazeera on television because they don't want the people in the US to know what really happens. the europeans will not let the israelis get away with everything as they do here in the US, but this US empire is weakening its grip on the world because it stretched too far. its dollar is weak and the destruction of its economy will bring about its destruction and new rules will come into existence. the zionists will be the reason behind it. they brought bush into power and dragged him into his racist crusade against Iraq, which is causing all the financial trouble we have here. now, they are heavily backing Obama against Hillary because they know that the republicans can't beat Hillary, but they can beat Obama. they know well that when it comes to choosing between a black and a white man in this racist country, a white man will win. the republicans will continue with the same stupid policies that only serve the zionists and that will complete the destruction of the empire. they want the US to attack Iran and that is what the republicans would do and that will be the straw that will break the back of the "cowboy's horse." let them do it with their own hands and let us sit and watch.

dimwit, i know that your knowledge of history is minute. had it not been for Arab oil, your little fart state would not have existed. the british created it to have a foot in the region to keep controlling oil. the jews are used as a canon fodder for the west and the jewish leaders use their own people to make money out of them and use their past misery to do that. as far a i know, the only anti-jews are the west and the jewish leaders. you think that our rockets don't do much! the hubris of the idiot! rome thought that it was going to be strong forever and where is it now? you can ridicule our rockets all you want, but you can't stop the wheel of history that will crush this racist state that was built on sins. you can laugh all you want and accuse us of being loonies and savages, but that also happened in former S. Africa and look what happened to those who laughed at the indigenous South Africans. do you think that the world is on your side? you must be delusional. most people in the world hate the jews because of their actions and not because they are jews. most of the population of the world supports the Palestinians and only a handful of states support the israelis for one reason, which is what i mentioned above. once other sources of energy are created, this state will become a bigger liability and will be dumped by the west. they are tired of the monster they created and want to end its blackmail. you wish to believe otherwise and that is fine, but that is your hubris and is your Achilles' heel that will bring about your destruction.

Yishai-Karin, in an interview with Haaretz, described how her research came out of her own experience as a soldier at an army base in Rafah in the Gaza Strip. She interviewed 18 ordinary soldiers and three officers whom she had served with in Gaza. The soldiers described how the violence was encouraged by some commanders. One soldier recalled: 'After two months in Rafah, a [new] commanding officer arrived... So we do a first patrol with him. It's 6am, Rafah is under curfew, there isn't so much as a dog in the streets. Only a little boy of four playing in the sand. He is building a castle in his yard. He [the officer] suddenly starts running and we all run with him. He was from the combat engineers.

'He grabbed the boy. I am a degenerate if I am not telling you the truth. He broke his hand here at the wrist, broke his leg here. And started to stomp on his stomach, three times, and left. We are all there, jaws dropping, looking at him in shock...

'The next day I go out with him on another patrol, and the soldiers are already starting to do the same thing."

Yishai-Karin concluded that the main reason for the soldiers' violence was a lack of training. She found that the soldiers did not know what was expected of them and therefore were free to develop their own way of behaviour. The longer a unit was left in the field, the more violent it became. The Israeli soldiers, she concluded, had a level of violence which is universal across all nations and cultures. If they are allowed to operate in difficult circumstances, such as in Gaza and the West Bank, without training and proper supervision, the violence is bound to come out.
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So what if Palestinians receive 2 billion dollars a year. Or even 3 or 4 billion. What does it matter when it???s all controlled by Israel anyway? Not that the dollars Palestine receive are a patch on how much the US and EU feed into Israel, thing is, it???s not documented for your eyes on the UN website, don???t be so naïve to think that everything is so black and white and all money exchanged and processes taken place are posted on the web for your pleasure! Israel holds $60 million a month alone in tax revenues that are meant to go to Palestinians. Google it. I???m sure you???ll find several articles about it for your ???proof???. Another large chunk of the money goes to Israel???s water and electricity company. So there goes over half of the money already and that???s merely in 2 examples. Furthermore, the international community, under the Quartet of the US, the UN, the EU and Russia, has also halted direct funding to the Palestinian government, saying it must recognise Israel first. That has resulted in 160,000 government workers have largely gone unpaid. So, your $2.5 billion or whatever really is peanuts. You???re really not as smart or as clued up as you think???
Ever heard of Amira Hass? You should read some of her work and then read how her own people sued because she wrote about what she really saw. Yeah, people repeat themselves because you don't LISTEN. I think you have trouble with originality. You seem to spew the same BS that all major ???news channels??? come up with.

Israel shaken by troops' tales of brutality against PalestiniansA psychologist blames assaults on civilians in the 1990s on soldiers' bad training, boredom and poor supervision
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Advertising guide License/buy our content About this articleClose This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday October 21 2007 on p43 of the World news section. It was last updated at 00:19 on October 21 2007. A study by an Israeli psychologist into the violent behaviour of the country's soldiers is provoking bitter controversy and has awakened urgent questions about the way the army conducts itself in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Nufar Yishai-Karin, a clinical psychologist at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, interviewed 21 Israeli soldiers and heard confessions of frequent brutal assaults against Palestinians, aggravated by poor training and discipline. In her recently published report, co-authored by Professor Yoel Elizur, Yishai-Karin details a series of violent incidents, including the beating of a four-year-old boy by an officer.

The report, although dealing with the experience of soldiers in the 1990s, has triggered an impassioned debate in Israel, where it was published in an abbreviated form in the newspaper Haaretz last month. According to Yishai Karin: 'At one point or another of their service, the majority of the interviewees enjoyed violence. They enjoyed the violence because it broke the routine and they liked the destruction and the chaos. They also enjoyed the feeling of power in the violence and the sense of danger.'

Hello Ree and Jafra,
You can continue as you wish but remember what your dealing with. An obnoxious nerd. The Israeli psychologist, a woman who was also a soldier and her supervisor wrote how sadisdic, even evil some Israeli soldiers are. I was hideous. It appeared in many us newspapers after appearing in Israel's Haaretz newspaper. Noogie claims he can't find it. Your dealing with a liar who is part of the problem and not the solution. He is an envious dwarf who is neither a scholar, a history a theologian etc. His is just a liar with perverse sexuality.

1: Who needs proof of that when there???s proof of Israeli???s bursting into innocent Palestinians home and shooting like maniacs. Or the video on YouTube where Israeli soldiers break a small Palestinian boy???s arm. How convenient that it has been removed from the site??? Go onto YouTube and search how the Israeli???s torture innocent Palestinians, there???s hours worth of videos on there to entertain you. Be quick though, most of them will be deleted to make Israel look completely innocent!

2: One picture? One picture that made it into international press. Probably many more than that have been destroyed and/or removed along the way??? How about thousands of dead Palestinians in the REAL WORLD? Forget all the crap YOU see. Don???t you question the things you don???t see? What about the Palestinian teenagers (ages 13-17 i.e. children) that were shot in the head by armed Israeli forces when they invaded the West Bank two weeks ago? Did you hear about that? Probably not???

3: Explain Ben-Gurion saying that it was ok to expel a million Palestinians because Hitler expelled 5 million Jews. If someone punches you in the face, does it make it ok for you to punch an old lady walking on by in the face? Actually, don???t answer that because you???re so irrational that you probably would. Explain to everyone how joyous the Zionists were after The Six Day War when they occupied all of Palestine, some of Jordan, Egypt and Syria too. Was all of that their Holy land? No, just greed. Why did they even attack Damascus? Oh, was it a pre-emptive war? I think you???ll find it was! Syria, at that point, had not yet attacked ???Israel???. So, it???s not a case of Israeli???s attacking when they???ve been attacked, it???s a case of them attacking in case anyone is even thinking of standing in their way. This has been their strategy throughout their occupation of Palestine.

4: One guy with questionable motives? I think all Israeli Prime Ministers have questionable motives. From Ben-Gurion through to Ehud Olmert. Teaching Israeli kids to hate Palestinians. As you???re such a fan of YouTube, you can find that video on there too. And one of Israeli???s terrorising Muslim women. The list goes on??? and that???s just ONE website. I???m sure there are so many others you could research.

Also, the UN only considered to see Israel as a state on the condition that it would abide by two General Assembly resolutions; one being the November 1947 partition of Palestine and the other, the December 1948 resolution to protect the right of the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes or be. Moshe Shertok agreed on behalf of Israel. But surprise, surprise, four days after Israel had been accepted as a recognized UN state, Ben-Gurion declared that UN's Palestine partition resolution no longer held any moral force. Funny that, considering Israel needed UN membership to be recognized on the map. I don???t think Israel is innocent of lying there??? And to this day, they do not le

mb, i guess that you haven't really met any israeli. otherwise, you would have known that they kill Palestinians and Arabs in the name of yahweh. their war against the Palestinians is a religious war. it's carried out in the name of judaism and not because they want to have a refuge from the christian oppression that they went through in europe. perhaps you should have a chat with some members of shas, united torah judaism or national religious party and you will change your mind. our war against the israelis is a war to liberate our land. maybe you never heard bush say that god told him to invade Iraq! those sweet christians who have a blood thirsty god that wants them to slaughter and occupy people! our problems were caused by the fact that we have rich natural resources that the west wants to steal from us. we would be happy to take responsibility of our problems, i.e. our natural resources. get US troops out of the Arab gulf and end zionist colonization of Palestine and leave us alone and you would never hear from us and we would never come near you. as long as you are occupying our lands to steal our natural resources, you will continue to get hell from us. it is that simple.

dimwit, the hapirus that are the hebrews that you claim are the ancestors of the jews were bandits. that means that they did not have kingdoms, they did not own the land and were merely thieves and that means that they have no right to claim that they owned Palestine in the past. is that clear enough for you? i know about the cosmetics company that is based in europe, but Jafra is a Palestinian woman from Acre who was the object of the love of her cousin whom she divorced and he wrote beautiful poetry about her that we still sing till this day in many versions. Jafra was expelled from Palestine in 1948 when the jews bombed the hell out of Acre. she ended up in Ein Il-Hilweh refugee camp in Lebanon. In the 1970s, a Palestinian poet visited her cousin who ended up in Lebanon too and based on his poems, he wrote a new version that was sung by Marcel Khalifeh, the famous revolutionary Lebanese singer. in the song, Jafra is no longer the beautiful woman whose cousin is madly in love with her, she became the homeland that we desire to regain. my history is much deeper and more beautiful than what you want it to be. you would want us to be savages who want to kill jews. i told you before that even if the occupiers of Palestine were french or Chinese we would fight them till death. i don't care if they were jewish or not though i have no respect for any religion because they were all invented by men to mostly serve men. in doubting my womanhood, you sound like that sexist man who doubted the womanhood of Sojourner Truth. i couldn't be a woman otherwise, how i could i speak my mind. isn't it your view that all Arab women (Muslim & Christian) are sitting in their kitchens and making babies? you are not just racist, but you are also sexist.

Noogie ddn't anwer a single query[he likes that word] of mine. All he said was that he heard Hezbollah was accused of human shilelds etc. Of course he heard it, it was an Israeli fallacy. ISRAEL uses human shields.

You are a waste product navel, I mean nerdie, I mean, oh well. Your imagination is surpassed only by your cowardice. e

Muslims all over the world blame others for the problems. When Muslims take responsibility for their problems, the rest of the world might start to give a damn. No amount of Jihad will change my mind or that of anyone who believes that freedom is the most important asset a man might possess. Muslims are sitting back watching which way the wind blows and if it looks like they might defeat democracy and capitalism, watch how fast they jump on board. Such is the condition of the Muslim World, as opposed to the Christian World, The Jewish World, The Buddhist World, and even the Scientology World. Killing in the name of Allah occurs each and every day while the same Muslims are praying after they commit murder. If that isn't a world of insanity, I don't what is.