The PR War in Gaza

Hello everyone, Re: Navel or belly button
I know your not falling for that none sense that was excremated by Navel. In short here's what I mean: What does anything he has to say, have to do with the price of tea in China. Even if what he says about Iran and Syria regarding women and homosexuals is correct[which it absolutely isn't] that has nothing to do with Israeli soldiers, settlers and politicians torturing Palestinians, bombing their homes with aircraft missles while they are huddled in fear inside and more. If we tried to follow or unravel Navel's logic then just because he thinks, let's say, middle east women are oppressed, what the heck does that have to to with Israel shooting little children at point balnk range in the skull.

Regarding homosexuals, Navel seems to be projecting and advocationdg for his own orientation. Little does he know that in some Orthodox Jewish law, homosexuals are to be stoned to death. Why doesn't he mention that? Navel knows nothing about the Quran, and little about the Christian bible and the Tanakh, talmud etc.

His arguement reminds me of the pre-adolescent chorus or "oh ya you did this and you did that" as a smoke screen to not answering the question. Creeps like Navel just want to make poor excuses for poor Israeli behavior, period. If his arguement was a filed tax return, he would be audited for fraud.

Naver, are you suggesting that Muslims kill victims of rape and homosexuals? What planet are you living on? For someone who claims to have travelled all over the Middle East, you sure as hell don't seem to have a clue about it!!! Is offence the best defense you have?

As you're so good at looking up "facts", check the crime rate of the whole of Syria in comparison to the US state of Colorado alone. We'll see who really violates human rights.
Kitai...
The dictionary definition of the word religion -
A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

And these biblical stories are just that, a belief. Moreover, archaelogical findings are often subjective as to whether the inscriptions are chinese whispers or real life.

Dear Ree-Ree and Jafra,

Keep up the good work. One must seak the truth whenever you can. The good thing about advocating for Middle East understanding is that the Arabs have the legitmacy on their side. They have articles of Geneva convention, UN resolutions, the Hague treaty, human rights orgs. etc. The problem is that Israel has a deceitful propaganda machine as well as pea brains who write the way some here havbe.History will show where you stood on the issues and it will also show where they stood on the issues.

ewpfaffly, [?]
Israel uses human shileds, even children, as it enters these childrens villages and shoot up the place. Israel bombed civilians in Lebanon while the lebanese killed mostly attacking soldiers. Little Israeli girls and boys were seen kissing and writing love phrases on huge missles just before they were launced onto Lebanese civilians. What a culture you defend and belong to. Israel lied and stated the Lebanese were hiding behind civilians yet all human rights org.'s found no evidence of this but plenty on Israel. With these little girls kissing missles while a warped Israeli adult sways back and forth praying, this proves that it is Israel that launches attacks from civilian area's . Even the Israeli Wingard report, that Amnestsy international found to be a complete fraud and cover up for Israel ,admitted that the Lebanese did not fight from civilian areas. Yet Israel and ethnically bankrupt cowards like you want it both ways. You want to murder and torture
Palestinians while proclaiming your innocence in a now well recognized ploy. What about the dozen Israeli soldiers who were charged with "repeatedly raping" an 11 year old girl for several months. Israel has better
weapons, period. With no anti-aircraft weapons the Wingard report itself stated that a small, semi military
group of a few thousand defeated Israel, the strongest army in the middle east.

Then after blackmailing billions of $ from the US, Israel spies on the US more aggresively than our enemies do.
Creeps like you need to stop mixing up biblical Israel with modern day Israeli soldiers, politicians and settlers who shoot and torture unarmed civilians to death and then use propaganda that the Palestinians try to make weapons to defend themselves. There is no comparison between the philosophy of the beloved Jesus Christ and the sadistic Israeli soldiers, settlrs and politicians who hide behind, and ,committ crimes with, U.S. money.
The fact is that Israel shows little bravery on the battle field, as many films prove. It is only their better weapons and their willingness to use them on civilians that deludes you into thinking Israel is righteous.

Again there is absolutely no comparison to the beloved Jesus Christ to the sadistic, cowardly Israeli soldiers, politicians and settlers. Most of the present Israeli cabinet is full of sex offenders, money launderers and vacuums for US aid.
Creeps like you want to supress info like the Israeli psychologists report where she found dozens of Israeli soldiers violently abusing unarmed, innocent Palestinian men women and children. The Israelis lived in Palestine less than any other group. The Israeli's came then, as they did now, as raiders, perverts and idol worshippers.

Dear Jafra, It appears obvious that shoe and some of the others do not feel obligated by the truth, or they simply do not know the truth and they actually believe the nonsense they are spewing. Creeps like these would walk over a starving child's body [and have] and would not think twice. Their venom is surpassed only by their cowardice.
Any objective historian knows that Israel was created by violence and broken treaties and the admitted intention of expelling Palestinians. You see, creeps like these want Israel to be as oppressive as possible, while their public relations campaign paints them as cherubs. This is what they want.

Judaism is the most contemporary religion, "here and now", then any other in the world. Their is little if any talk of an afterlife at all. Some creeps interpret this to mean that you can do anything you want to be successful here and now such as stealing land and shooting children. In Christianity and Islam the afterlife/heaven is a major theme that we must earn and prepare for. Judaism is concerned with here and now and thus some creeps interpret this to mean do everything and anything to be succesful in this life, including stealing real estate, shooting civilians etc.

shoe,
do you also laugh when the tv shows images of jews in concentration camps? do you think that those jews needed brains too? perhaps you also laughed at South Africans who fought against apartheid! did you also think that those people needed brains too?

naver,
The Arab countries contribute money all the time and not just through unrwa. many hospitals, schools and housing projects in Palestine are named after Arab leaders who funded these projects. any money that comes from the west is not aid and it's compensation for dumbing the jews on us. we solved europe's jewish problem and europe still has to pay more for its sin against the Palestinians and the Arabs.

To: Everyone
Re: Naver and the like
Naver has written offensive yet petty blather. Don't waste any more time with his delusions and ficticiousness.

He doesn't know that the name Palestine is the English word for Philistines who, along with the Caananites pre-date the Hebrews in Palestine and lived continous since then. He doesn't know that the Romans expelled the Jews of Palestine, nearly to the last man 2,000 years ago while the Palstinians remained. He doesn't know that the Palestinians remained on there own land even if the name of the conquerer changed names. Again, the jews of Palestine were expelled in mass, to nearly the last man 2000 years ago. Before that they were expelled from Palestine to Babylon in just one of the many biblical wrath thrust upon the people for their continued treachery and sins.

There are many other conscientious, intellegent Jews who can make and do want peace so lets stop lowering our standards to the European/ Russian Khazari Naver who looks about as much as an indigineous Palestinian/ Jew as any bleached white, red haired freckled fool like he does. Naver should go have coffee with a shrink who will put psychoactive drugs in his coffee.

Naver is what he is and that's all that he is[popeye]. Don't lower yourself and try to match wits with this nincompoop who out of cowardice the actual question and information posed to him. There are many educated conscientious Jews to work with. There's no hope for Naver. Let him go in peace, or pieces and enjoy his sexual orientation.

kitai, damn! all this talk about a glorious kingdom and you come up with a small writing that could be interpreted in many different ways? In the past, people were referred to as members of the house of this or the house of that. This old expression is still used in that region as in the case of Saudi Arabia. Al Saud means the house of Saud. There are so many families in the Arab world that still use that form. So, what you present is nothing but a mere reference to some David's family and nothing else.

kitai, can you present me with any specific detail about this king David and any proof of his existence as a king with a big kingdom? Before you bother to do that, go read this book: The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Text. The book was written by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. Finkelstein is the chairman of archaeology department at the tel aviv university. Here's a quote from the book: "the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan] in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."

The Palestinians have only been in the Holy Land for a generation or two? What a crock! Their Caananite ancestors were there the first time the Jews arrived, as told in the Bible, and they were there still there thousands of years later when European Khazars, passing themselves off as the scions of Biblical Jews, came to Palestine in the 19th and 20th centuries laying claim to what wasn't theirs in the first place. The whole argument that ANY people can have a valid claim to a land based on occupation by their ancestors of thousands of years ago is preposterous anyway, and were it valid then the Greeks could march right into Istanbul; or the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh into London (just to name a couple of examples) and "reclaim" it as their own.

ew,
i didn't finish reading all of your comment, i lost interest when you mentioned the bible. you seem to think that the bible is a historical document, which is not true. it's merely some legends that were made up by old fools and nothing else. Jericho never had walls to tumble down and David was not a king of anything. Most of the bible's stories have no proof on the ground and thus, they never took place. but my dear, what kind of a person believes the bible that was changed a gazillion times? if you believe the bible is true, can you please tell me what the song of songs is about? fornication? read israel fincklestein's findings on salon.com about the lies of the bible and don't waste your time and cyberspace on silly arguments. this is my last response to your zionist tired rhetoric that only delusional people like you believe in.

Gjhdad, Thank you, my friend