The PR War in Gaza

To all those who stoke the fire of Palestinian hope. How many Palestinian generations are you willing to lose to miserable conditions for your dream of a Jew-Free Palestine? Or, you could lay down your pride and accept a smaller state with a better infrastructure than most Arabs could ever hope for in this life time. Children could grow up with all of their freedom of choices intact only they would have to do it with the pin *** to their pride of losing some war and land to Jews. Which dignity is more important, that life of choices or being the winner?

Hamsa, most Palestinians or pro-palestinians do not wish to rid the world of Jews, rather they reject an Eretz-Israel. Quite fair I'd say.

If th Arabs had not attacked Israel "the new nation" as you like to put it, then Israel would be half of the world by now. They always hset their sights beyong Palestine. If the Zionists had not invaded Palestine, then it would probably be a flourishing country and the population 10 times it's size knowing how the Palestinians like to reproduce! Israel is not a refugee camp, it's full of big houses with lots of land, perfect to cultivate crops, all of which had been unrightfully stolen by the Zionists. Nobody on here needs to give them a reason to feel bad, they already should feel bad.

Dear Pro-Palestinians, how can you suggest your "fair" solutions and then say hopefully the world will rid themselves of Jews and their problems anyway? How can you expect someone to trust such a speaker and their solutions. I wonder what Gaza would look like today if there were no rockets being fired at Israel after they left. I wonder what Israel would look like today if the Arabs had not attacked the new nation.in 1948, likely not even half its' size. What would Israel look like today if they had lost? Would there be some current conflict about it, Jews sitting idle in 60 year old refugee camps? You forget, Israel is their refugee camp. Like many migrations in history, this one happened. It happened for good reasons or for bad, they are there. Stop giving them reasons to feel cornered, not just by the Mulsims, but by the Jew hating world.

Dear Pro-Palestinians, how can you suggest your "fair" solutions and then say hopefully the world will rid themselves of Jews and their problems anyway? How can you expect someone to trust such a speaker and their solutions. I wonder what Gaza would look like today if there were no rockets being fired at Israel after they left. I wonder what Israel would look like today if the Arabs had not attacked the new nation.in 1948, likely not even half its' size. What would Israel look like today if they had lost? Would there be some current conflict about it, Jews sitting idle in 60 year old refugee camps? You forget, Israel is their refugee camp. Like many migrations in history, this one happened. It happened for good reasons or for bad, they are there. Stop giving them reasons to feel cornered, not just by the Mulsims, but by the Jew hating world.

After most wars, refugees are allowed to be repatriated. Palestinians are not. After the 1929 Revolt and the 1948 Naqbah, no Palestinian that flees thebloodshed can ever return, not even to this day. I suspect the Israeli's planned the whole saga, cutting off supplies in Gaza so the Palestinians break through the Sinai borders to Egypt illegally, in refuge. However, I bet those gone for more than a few hours will not be allowed back in and then the Israeli's will claim these homes to be their own as they we "unoccupied". It's catch 22 for the Palestinians, they can not stay and they can not leave.

Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, stated so many times that he wanted a "pure state" of Jews, much as Hitler did in WW2. Ben-Gurion even thought Jordan was an "artificial" country and that it should be split and shared by Israel and the Maronites. Luckily, Nasser's Pan-Arab regime was increasingly popular with neighbouring Arab countries preventing him from annexation. There is no word for Ben-Gurion other than greedy. The Israeli's didn't have a leg to stand on without their army and a Western ally, whether Britain, the US or France. And Ben-Gurion knew this. He was constantly building his army in the hope that it would set fear into the Arab nations so they would not attack or reject the Israeli state. But little did he realise that the Palestinians would be a little more resistant than he thought. Rightly so, too.

The Israeli's fight nothing but a pre-emptive war. As soon as Egypt began building relations with Britain and the US, Ben-Gurion saw this as a threat and so invaded the Sinai with his army, where far more Egyptian soldiers died than Israeli's. Why is Israel in such a state of paranoia? Is it because, deep down, they know they are in the wrong. They realise that they should allow Palestinians to be repatriated to their homes. That they shouldn't forcibly remove innocent civilians from their houses? Probably. They're just too full of self-worth to admit it.

And for those of you who think the US is "freedom", try telling that to the parents of a girl who was raped and murdered and all the other parents in that area who are scared to let their kids step foot out of the house past sunset. Or how if you're of a different race you may be subjected to abuse by your neighbours. Nowhere has "freedom" and you're deluded if you think so.

How the author decide to take true Palestinian suffering and write about it as some sort of PR game is beyond me. This reporter, though well intentioned is obviously afraid of the Jewish lobbiy's wrath as he talks about the suffering Palestinians as if their on a PR campaign. It is has has been for decades the Israeli goverment, soldiers and settlers that are running a PR campaign. Benny Morris of Israel and others have stated that Israel wants it both ways: it wants to abuse the Palestinians sadistically while athte the same time professing to the media, especially in the U.S. that they are adhering to human rights and being merciful. How this lousy author, many are even worse, can minimize the Palestinian suffering and pander to Israel is immoral and shows a measure of cowardice toward the Israeli media bias and lobby.

BTW, Sonia, did you file your taxes this year? How about you leave a note for those who will process your file telling them that you don't want your money to be used to fund the occupation of Palestine. Perhaps it's time for people like to take a serious stand to end this conflict and bloodshed that you fund with your tax dollar instead of just saying god bless Palestine with peace. Your words and the blessings of your god will not get anywhere as long as you fund this war. It is your responsibility to stop it by pulling the plug that keeps it alive. Stop funding the war and tell your governemnt that you do not want to fund it.

Sonia,

Do you think that only men can think and write comments here? Why did you assume that I was a man? I'm not ignorant of history, but I believe in science and not myths. The bible is not a historical document and nothing but a bunch of stories that are fun to read on winter nights. You are obviously not aware of the archeological findings that couldn't prove most of the nonsense in the bible. The bible was written by men and its interpretation is controlled by men, why should I believe what men say when their book and their religion give them so much power than women!!! BTW, no book is holy when it's written by men.

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The whole thing to the European Jewish converts is nothing but an eterprise to make money and live a decent life at the expense of my people. My people have the right to live in their homeland and return to their homes and lands that are still there. Read my friend's solution before you respond to me. If the israelis keep refusing this solution, the time will come when the people of the world are going to tell the Jews that they had enough of them and their conflict and it might become time to rid the world of them. The world has more important issues to deal with and many humans to protect and feed and the Jews should have never become a priority for any country. The European states made the Jews feel that their safety was important in order to use them to access our oil and now this monster lie they created is going to devour them and that will be enough for the Europeans to tell the Jews: enough is enough!

Tim,

Did you check the Alternative Palestinian Agenda? Here's the link http://www.ap-agenda.org/ . I have zero interest in preserving a Jewish state. There are no two countries there. There is Palestine that is under zionist/western colonization. France brought more than 1 million French citizens to Algeria and they all went back. Europe and other countries sent Jews to settle in Palestine and many of them will have to go back to their countries. One fifth of the israelis already left and live in the US. I don't believe that the Jews had any significant presence in Palestine in the past. If that were true, how come there isn't much evidence of their presence. I don't know if you realize that most of the archeologists allowed to work in Palestine are Jewish and israeli. They pick and choose what to share with the world. How many of the world Jewry can prove their linkage to the Hapirus/Hebrews? I'm sorry, but I was not raised on the myths of the bible that exaggerate the presence of the Jews so as to glorify the history of Jesus and his people. I don't know of anything that proves that Jesus or Moses existed and were prophets! When you say that Jerusalem at the time of the Romans had one million people, do you mean that all of them were Hebrews? Please, check out the book that I mentioned in previous post. The time the Hebrews spent in Palestine was 140-150 years and that is not enough to establish any ownership of the land especially when they were not in charge of the land's affairs. If the Romans claimed that they were and made them sound strong that is nonsense. The US claimed that the Iraqi army was the 4th strongest army in the world and we saw what happened during the war. The Phoenicians and the Canaanites shared the same culture and were connected since they were neighbors. The Phoenicians were mostly in Lebanon and north of Palestine.
If you truly believe that the Jews have a right to return since they were there 2000 years ago, don't you think that the Palestinian refugees have that same right since they were there 60 years ago? Do you know that the oldest Jewish community lives in Yemen? If the Jews truly originated in Palestine, wouldn't that community be the oldest? Why would they leave prosperous and lush Palestine and cross into the dessert and go to Yemen? No matter what argument the Jews use to justify their occupation of Palestine, nothing convinces me. I don't believe in the bible or the torah and the myths that they spread. If the Jews want to return somewhere, I think that Yemen is the most probable place since that country has the oldest Jewish community. Will be continued next.

I feel bad for the good people, the innocent people who are suffering in Palestine. Not all of them are muslim terrorists. But they did want to be a seperate State and now they have want they wanted. I feel that their muslim neighbors should and are obligated to help them get on their feet.
Alos, I have no idea what Mr. Jafra is talking about. It is clear to me, that he is an atheist and extremely ignotant of history and especially the Holy Bible.
God Bless Israel and Palestine with peace.

I read, and read, and read.......
Watch and watch and watch.....
I TRY to understand BOTH sides because somewhere in all this muddled, muddied mess there has to be a reason for all of this........
BUT, ALL I HEAR AND SEE IS B.S.!
Do not people see each other as human? Isn't fairly unverisal that people want a better life for themselves, a decent place to live and raise their childeren far away from hate and violence?
Now here's the trick question.....
WHY cannot ANYONE seem to get to the point where SOMEONE says "I may not like you at all, I REALLY don't like ANYTHING about you or your people.....
BUT, Just for today, I wont shoot at you, and Just for today, You won't shoot at me."
Tomorrow we'll try this again......
Just a thought.
"Old men make wars, Young men die in them."

Commenting from the ARK in Berea, American Cultural Ambassadors David and Renate Jakupca stated: "The living standards in Gaza are at levels unacceptable to a world that promotes the elimination of poverty and the observance of human rights as core principles. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA)needs to deal with Israels blockade and allow the entry of the minimum commercial humanitarian supplies required to meet the total humanitarian needs of the people in Gaza".

Expressing concern over this extremely fragile humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip, American Cultural Ambassadors David and Renate Jakupca commented from the ARK in Berea that "Living standards in Gaza are at levels that are unacceptable in a world that promotes the elimination of poverty and the observance of human rights as one of its basic core principles."
The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) must deal with the Israel blockade."

Whiel a nation is being deprived from their homeland on the base of power...then what they may do except firing rockets and stones to show their anger?????

The Father of modern democaracy Mr Bush had given green signal to Ihood for bloodshed and the results can be seen.

We should say hitler a prophet who recognized jews as miscreants and fried their bums.

Agreesion and opression always reslut as you can see in afghanistan, iraq, plastine, bousinia, iritaria, somalia, chachnia and LUCKILY they all are muslims....

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Muhammad