The PR War in Gaza

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  • Posted By: ReeRee84 @ 01/24/2008 10:16:07 AM

    Oh, you mean like the Jews call the land ISRAEL?

    I think you'll find that untrue. Christianity IS all over the Middle East and Christians ARE allowed to worship their religion. Now you're just spouting stuff off the top of your head. The MAD MAD MAD man is you! The Middle East is filled with good from all religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism amongst many), however you just can't see that as you're so fixated on the idea of YOUR good place. Honestly, you need to look past CNN and read the Quran to fully understand Islam because you obviosuly don't have a clue.

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 9:59:51 AM

    to Miss:
    Christians should in fact be everywhere in the middle east ! after all before islamics even existed... they were spreaded in all the countries in your part of the world... unfortunatly due to your very intolerant modus-operandi of islam...christians are not allowed to worship their religion. All of this will revert the day the MAD MAD MAN comes along...and transform this whole middle east into what it should be...a florishing, civilized place for people of good will not evil will.

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 9:55:25 AM

    To Miss:
    And more, christianity was not born in Jerusalem. Christianity was born in Rome 130 years after Jesus was burried as all good Jews are burried.

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 9:53:11 AM

    To: Miss

    I repeat it : THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS PALESTINE, there was yes there then once upon a time a tribe of people that lived in middle east that was called Phillistines. Palestine as you arabs talk about never existed...this is purely a term invented by arabs just to create political chaos in the world...to cover up and to make up for their weaknesses for that is what ISLAM brought to the followers of this religion...it brought them: weakness ! weakness in all it's forms: evil weakness, violent weakness, distruction weakness, all all kinds of it...everything weak !

  • Posted By: ReeRee84 @ 01/24/2008 9:37:40 AM

    Diena, you seem to be incapable of distinguishing the difference between the terms "Palestinian" and "Muslim". Many Palestinians are of Christian faith. I'm so glad I read your post, it has filled me with such sympathy for the poor, suffering Israelis. Those Palestinians trying to salvage their lives from the tatters they have been left with must be really terrible people...

  • Posted By: ReeRee84 @ 01/24/2008 9:23:42 AM

    India has many religions. Yes Hinduism is ONE of those religions but are they extraditing everyone else in the country for a "pure race"? No, they're not because greed doesn't overwhelm them. Israel did not exist 2000 years ago. Jews may have done, but Israel certainly did not. Christianity was also born in Jerusalem, but still, many Palestinian Christians were forced to flee during the Naqbah.

    The Yishuvs (Jews in Palestine pre Zionism) lived in Palestine fairly happily. Your view is skewed if you believe one religion has a "right" or "more of a right" to live in Palestine. We live in a modern world, not 2000 years ago. And what do you mean by "stinking-camel place"? Are you another one of these narrow-minded people who think all Arabs are backward? Get a grip! Your comments are nothing but evidence of your own self-worth over others.

    By the way, I am a Miss not a Mr.

  • Posted By: ROBES @ 01/24/2008 9:12:15 AM

    This outfit [newswk] is such a bunch of perverts - eg calling the hitler-like zahar [vowing to kill all the Jews] a 'hawk'. Do the newswk pervs also call hitler a 'hawk'?

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 8:46:33 AM

    Muhammad,
    for the record: Tell me : If i have a diahrrea because i love to eat fat pork meat, is it also the Jews fault ?

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 8:34:34 AM

    It is better not pay attention to balloonies...as you are been Mr.ReeRee84. Whatever Theodor Herzl wrote doesnot count...there are thousands who wrote even worsth. To start with ISRAEL has nothing to do with zionism/communists...as matter of fact. The matter fact is that ISRAEL existed far beyong 2000 years ago and just about 2000 years ago Jews due to the political struggles of Romans and Religious Elites...were either burned alive or forced to flee or go into exile to far way lands...and thank GOD they did that. But to make it simple: for nearly 2000 years Jews were away - not on their own choice - away from their rightful place - their beloved ISRAEL and it's capital Jerusalem, King David-town ! for milleniums Jews dreamed to go back to their homeland and waited and waited for Messiah to come down to help them...and Messiah did, panished them so vastly...for they should have never leaft! And now they are back in their homeland to stay. Israel is the homeland of the Jews and there is nothing, nothing that can change that. It was, It is and It will forever be....whether you and I/we like it or not. This is their rightful place. It is the same thing as if you take INDIA and tell all Hindus: You leave...this is my land! There is no such a possibility because India/Hindus are there the same time Israel was there. Same thing with CHINA, can you come to a chinese and tell him/her: Leave this land, because it is now ours! Can you? can you do that? Of course, you can not! Same thing for Israel,...Israel/jews are there at the same time the Chinese were there, same time Hindus were there. So, if the arabs come to the sensable reason of that...we may find a way to acommodate this so called Paletine-thing! Else, forget, there will be no peace. Till as I said...there come a truly MAD MAD MAN...a Messiah...and turn everything into ashes......and then yes, a rebirth of that stinking-camel-place...will have a beautiful, florishing Jerusalem, peaceful and with the 1st TEMPLO rebuilded for the whole world to re-joice. But till then...you and I are long gone.

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 8:34:03 AM

    It is better not pay attention to balloonies...as you are been Mr.ReeRee84. Whatever Theodor Herzl wrote doesnot count...there are thousands who wrote even worsth. To start with ISRAEL has nothing to do with zionism/communists...as matter of fact. The matter fact is that ISRAEL existed far beyong 2000 years ago and just about 2000 years ago Jews due to the political struggles of Romans and Religious Elites...were either burned alive or forced to flee or go into exile to far way lands...and thank GOD they did that. But to make it simple: for nearly 2000 years Jews were away - not on their own choice - away from their rightful place - their beloved ISRAEL and it's capital Jerusalem, King David-town ! for milleniums Jews dreamed to go back to their homeland and waited and waited for Messiah to come down to help them...and Messiah did, panished them so vastly...for they should have never leaft! And now they are back in their homeland to stay. Israel is the homeland of the Jews and there is nothing, nothing that can change that. It was, It is and It will forever be....whether you and I/we like it or not. This is their rightful place. It is the same thing as if you take INDIA and tell all Hindus: You leave...this is my land! There is no such a possibility because India/Hindus are there the same time Israel was there. Same thing with CHINA, can you come to a chinese and tell him/her: Leave this land, because it is now ours! Can you? can you do that? Of course, you can not! Same thing for Israel,...Israel/jews are there at the same time the Chinese were there, same time Hindus were there. So, if the arabs come to the sensable reason of that...we may find a way to acommodate this so called Paletine-thing! Else, forget, there will be no peace. Till as I said...there come a truly MAD MAD MAN...a Messiah...and turn everything into ashes......and then yes, a rebirth of that stinking-camel-place...will have a beautiful, florishing Jerusalem, peaceful and with the 1st TEMPLO rebuilded for the whole world to re-joice. But till then...you and I are long gone.

  • Posted By: ReeRee84 @ 01/24/2008 7:42:30 AM

    Oh dear, if we go down this road, we could dissect every nation there ever was and how it "never really existed". Hardly a strong argument. Besides, I think you???ll find Palestine did exist before the 1900???s. Theodor Herzl wrote a book entitled ???The Jewish State??? which was published in 1896. In this book, he wrote ???The aim of Zionism is to create for the Jewish people a home in Palestine secured by law???. Again, your comment just goes to show the thoughts of the west being that the Arab ???tribes???, if that???s what you want to call them, were and are nothing but barbaric animals. You said in your comment that ???Prior to that they lived a tribal lifeform raiding each other and stealing cattle and women from each other???. Well, correct me if I???m wrong but this is pretty much the way things are in a so-called ???civil??? West. I hear of far more rapes and murders coming from countries such as the US and UK than I do from Jordan, Bahrain or Saudi Arabia for example. The economy set up by the Jews that you speak of, was never benefited by the Palestinians in the end. A bi-national state could not be agreed upon by either party. Any divide suggested was in favour of the Zionists, something that the Palestinians rejected on several occasions as they saw it unfair. The Israelis took this to their advantage and continued invading Palestine for a ???Eretz-Israel???.

  • Posted By: Aldous21 @ 01/24/2008 2:37:41 AM

    Dear scottdp,

    Palestinians fire rockets because Israel has NEVER stopped building settlements on confiscated Palestinian land. If YOUR backyard was being stolen from you, how would you react?

    btw... Gaza was a refugee camp after Israel was formed. Israel sent the Palestinians they kicked out into there. Gaza is a desert with no minerals or water so it was perfect for a dumping ground.

    • Posted By: nikanor @ 01/24/2008 6:51:53 AM

      There are no settlements in Gaza, why are the Palestinians shooting rockets from Gaza at towns that are in Israeli territory recognized by all the Palestinian negotiators?

      As for Gaza being a desert. it is not different from the entire coastal plain of Israel where the Jews have a blooming agriculture. Prior to the withdrawal of the Jewish settlements from Gaza, agriculture was their primary source of income........
      So if the Gazans where to divert their efforts from rocket making to more productive endeavors they would find this "desert" very fertile.

  • Posted By: mzafrullah @ 01/24/2008 6:33:22 AM

    Palestine may not have existed as such but some people lived there and when Israel the illegitimate child of Britain and America was born, a lot of these people were displaced. Those people are a problem and by mistake or by some "evil Islamic design" that problem is now called the Palestinian problem and the displaced people are called Palestinian people. You can kill them but then there would be no difference between you and the Nazis, who killed millions of Jews. Now here is a suggestion. A majority of Germans were anti-Jewish in the days of Hitler and later the Jews Kosherized them separating "Germans" from ???Nazis???. How about doing something similar with the Palestinians? The Jews are clever people they would think of something. For instance they might realize that if they stop badmouthing Islam and Muslims and if they stop going after every Muslim country that shows some promise of standing on its own feet, they might even be able to pull off some kind of a deal. I tell you a lot of Muslim countries are awry of Israelis because they have seen their tricks. Tell me who has recently been encouraging Ethiopia to become more aggressive against its Muslim neighbors? Who provided fake documents for Iraqi purchase of Uranium from an African country? Who bombed the fake Iraqi enrichment plant? (There was not a single case of radiation poisoning after the place was bombed!) Who almost bombed Pakistan's facility? Who is pushing for sanctions against Iran, now that the US intelligence agencies are all saying that the Iranians stopped work on atomic bomb in 2003? Figure out the answer and die of shame. My point is with this kind of track record you cannot expect other Muslim countries to help out with your Palestinian problem.
    Problems do get solved, if there is a will and courage to solve them.
    Muhammad
    .

  • Posted By: ReeRee84 @ 01/24/2008 2:57:53 AM

    This is the problem, Israelis and the West see Arabs, in particular the Palestinians, as "backward". So many times have I read such comments on forums similar to this one. In the early 1900's, the zionists had this ludicrous point of view and therefore justified their invasion of Palestine. Brit-Shalom Ihud, a member of the Jewish Agency even stated that: "If I weigh the catstrophe of five million Jews (in Nazi Germany) against the transfer of one million Arabs, then with a clean and easy conscience I can state that even more drastic acts (in Palestine) are Permissible".

    The Israelis narcissistic attitude and self worth is becoming more and more evident in their continuous efforts to drive Palestinians out of their homes. I suspect that their intentions were to drive Palestinians into the Sinai by sealing them off from all supplies. The Hamas rockets are of an insignificant number when in contrast to the "terror" that Israel has set into many innocent Palestinians.

    Finney29 is right, too many Westerners buy into Israeli propoganda through the outrageously biassed material found in Western media. More images of Palestinian suffering need to be seen in Europe and the states, perhaps if a handful of you watch Al Jazeera, you may find that the Arabs are not terrorist dogs and are entitled to live as "freely" as yourselves.

    • Posted By: nikanor @ 01/24/2008 6:18:46 AM

      ReeRee there were no arabs (much less palestinians) in Israel in early 1900's. They were drawn to the land from Jordan and Syria by the emerging economy the Jews set up. Prior to that they lived a tribal lifeform raiding each other and stealing cattle and women from each other
      For reference read Mark Twain's report on his visit to Israel in the late 1800's

  • Posted By: NJ_Dave @ 01/24/2008 3:41:31 AM

    Um, borders mean things, and damn right countries want to keep what they worked for. It's called being in the real world.

    No one is saying how many rockets and weapons will be sent to Gaza now to keep killing Israelis. Why does the call for peace never involve Hamas stopping their daily rocket attacks on Israel? Is it that the word "peace" is only meant to go one way, to allow continued attacks on israel with no response? It is the only possible conclusion.

    • Posted By: pablito @ 01/24/2008 4:13:47 AM

      The call for peace is always both sides - your point is typical Zionist propaganda. Israel occupies and tortures and kills the Palestinian people, peace requires the primary aggressor stopping their aggression. Homemade rocket attacks and suicide bombings aren???t condoned by people who want peace, but Israel???s extra-judicial murder and general oppression of Palestinians is supported by those who back the Zionist side. Israel can have peace and return some of the land to the Palestinians OR they can keep expanding into Palestinian land that doesn't belong to them; they can't have both. Palestinians would even settle for a whole lot less then was originally agreed to but Israel never concedes anything. If you can???t see things from both sides you should refrain from comment. If your only source of information is CNN, Fox New, Wall Street Journal then you have been fed lies by people with vested interests.

      • Posted By: nikanor @ 01/24/2008 6:09:56 AM

        How do you explain that most of the hostility towards Israel comes from Gaza strip that was completely cleared of "occupation" and Israeli settlments, while there is zero attackes from the "occupied" West Bank?

        Hamas is nothingg but an Iranian proxy army in gaza strip

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 5:46:10 AM

    PALESTINE , never existed before, there was there once a Philistine people that lived in middle east, before Jesus was born. This so called Palestine now is an ARAB invention to create political chaos in the world to cover up and to make up for their weakness...arabs are weak people...they only know how to shout, how to kill, how to make women slaves...thats what ISLAM made them to become...they did not evolved with the times...they seem to be living in Mohammed's time, still. Have you ever bother to compare the uncivilized look all the pictures that one see everywhere in news front pages, TV news, etc...my goodness! it looks really primitive. So, what a weak people do to survive? they two things: Kill and create Chaos. That's the Arabs. Specially terroirst no. one : Yasser Arafat. An arab ! he was not even born in Jerusalem or Jordan or Samaria or Jesus place. Nooooooooo, he was just an Arab creating chaos in the world. And it goes on and on and on...and just a BLIND can not see all of what's happening. We love Presidente Bush. But it is his biggest mistake....done! putting forward this idea of a Palestinian State. If that happen, the whole world will be dragged into this middle east war. Till one mad man decides enough is enough...and turn middle east into ashes...and then start all over again.......with some fresh air of PEACE. Till then it is just a dream...for the world to see and have Peace.

  • Posted By: rimart @ 01/24/2008 5:38:12 AM

    to have peace it takes work and truth zion israel has never made the slightest effort ,but acts like the spoiled child who will not share , joe demarco

  • Posted By: nikanor @ 01/24/2008 5:37:35 AM

    The Palestinian rockets are not "firecrackers"!!!!
    Under the dormant eye of the Egyptians, military grade russian "GRAD" rockets were smuggled into Gaza strip. These rockets have heavy warheads and greater range. The city of Ashkelon has been struck repeatedly by them. The Israelis are not obliged to kill exactly the same number of Palestinians as were killed on the Israely side. This is an military attack on a sovereign country. When the germans bombed London with V1 rockests. the allies bombed Dresden and tucked the oxygen out of the air within a 50 kilometer radius. how is that for collective punishment
    The

  • Posted By: diena @ 01/24/2008 5:29:40 AM

    These Palestinians should all die, be dead! Nobody likes them. Not even the arab countries.They are trouble makers everywhere, they do not want peace with Israel they want Israel vanish, how can these palestinias be so savage? Israel leaft Gaza, voluntarly, Israel displaced many thousands of decent jews, to leave Gaza for the Palestinians find their own ways in economics, etc...NO USE ! they distroyed everything good Israel leaft behind and the next minute they started lauching rocket attacks at Israel from Gaza. So, how can the world have any sympathy for these animals, no one can trust these Palestinians. No wonder someone once said that the MASTER OF TERRORISM Yasser Arafat, needed to go, yes, but ought to bring along with him to be burried the entire Palestine people...for the world to start again to be able to breath some air of peace. And, it is sure, as long as these Palestinians will be alive, the world will see no peace. The WEST should interfere in this by not by these rotten people, billions of dollars in aids, interfere, yes with finding land to burrie all their islamists bodies, terrorists even before they born....and.not create them a country, a state..if that happen...if the west create a country for these terrorists then you/we all will see what will become of this stinking middle east. ..and the wide world. Big big big trouble for the world! big trouble. Palestinians do not want Peace. They want to die for Islamics - JIHADIS - warship death not life. Even, if Israel was not there, still they would find a way to create chaos in the World, for their "CAUSE" is not to have a state, a country,a place of their own, their CAUSE is to die for JIHAD...everwhere! till their DREAM of conquering the whole world is satisfied. So, prepare people of the world...WE WILL NOT HAVE PEACE FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS, till one MAD-angry-MAN decides ENOUGH is ENOUGH ...and root out this evil from our world.

  • Posted By: dvasch @ 01/24/2008 5:24:52 AM

    Kevin Peraino should be ashamed of himself - calling this article journalism?! Almost three years ago Israel expelled close to 10,000 people from their homes in Gush Katif in Gaza and abandoned the land to the Palestinian Authority. Subsequently, the PA lost an election to Hamas, a full-fledged terror organization, whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel. It must be remembered, they were chosen by the Arab electorate in Gaza. The Hamas-elected government continues to back bombardment of Israel with Kassam rockets, which hit Sderot, Ashkelon, and other communities in southern Israel. What would Kevin Peraino say if, for instance, Texas was being bombed by Mexico, or upstate New York from Canada, and the American President told his countrymen that the United States need to react with restraint? Hamas-Gaza is clearly at war with Israel, and in war as in war - Israel has every right to do anything and everything necessary to protect its people and to stop the rockets. Let's put an end to yellow journalism and Israel-bashing and begin to see some true, objective, factual reporting coming out of the Middle East,

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