Here is my own definition of a 'Smart Woman'
" I smart woman is a woman who lies convincingly enough to make a man believe he is as smart as he thinks he is "
Here is my own definition of a 'Smart Woman'
" I smart woman is a woman who lies convincingly enough to make a man believe he is as smart as he thinks he is "
Oh, and I think I should add regarding single sex education- the success didn't go unnoticed by NOW and the AAUW who enlisted the ACLU to successfully sue the Baton Rouge school district. Oh the horrors, boys scores were improving and they couldn't stand for that- using books that would appeal to boys- giving them recess- to the aforementioned it was coming of at the expense of girls (who were testing several points higher than boys). No perish the thought that an education system would actually have boys reading and writing at the same level of girls.
I'm pretty sure Sir Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Sigmund Freud, Socrates, Thomas Edison, William Shakespeare, Dante, Leonardo DaVinci, Pythagorus, Edgar Allen Poe, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Bach, Beethoven, Moliere, Sophocles, Johann Kepler, to name a few, were male. However, I would think each and every one of these people likely had very smart, nurturing mothers. Call me "politically incorrect", I don't care. PC thwarts free thought and expression.
Amen on the Mother thing. Amen! More Mothers should run more countries...
Yes, they were male. But their greatness was not only built on intelligent families and often substantial wealth and intellectual precedent, but also on all-male academic institutions. Even being barred from these institutions, there manged to be female successes... Hypatia, Amelie Noether, Ada Lovelace, Marie Curie, Maud Menten, Rosalind Franklin, Barbara McClintock, Sonya Corvin-Krukovsky Kovalevsky, Louise Farrenc, Marianne Martinez, Artemisia Gentileschi, Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper, Maria Goeppert Mayer, France Anne C??rdova. For those of you who think that only men developed anything great in the western world, it may be useful for you to read history (from original documents and not junior high school textbooks).
Also, Marilyn Savant, billed in the Guiness Book of Records for highest IQ in the world (228) is a woman ...
Good on you wanderer. I think I picked up on something you were saying. What I find funny in these posts is so many women lamenting or anecdotally sharing how they overcame how stereotypes about intelligence held them back. But in America today, it is men who get portrayed as less intelligent. Sitcoms, drama, commercials, take your pick. The guys are the ones being stereotyped as less intelligent and less capable.
I even see it on children's programs, only boys dumb, only girls smart. The title of this article and the women writing here show this. It does give one pause to ask, why the hypocrisy, and dishonest view of what our society is like now. A twenty something here who has heard about the evils of patriarchy since pre-school, but have yet to see them. What I have experienced is the evil of the matriarchy of education, and it isn't females who are being labeled, subjugated, and treated as less intelligent.
"A study of 100,000 17- to 18-year-olds on the Scholastic Assessment Test published in the September 2006 issue of the journal Intelligence, has confirmed a surprising new finding -- that men have a 4- to 5-point IQ advantage over women by adulthood."
"A study to be published later this year in the British Journal of Psychology says that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests."
I find it interesting that you mention a study of SAT scores as a measure of intelligence. In 1991, the name of the SAT was changed from the Scholastic Reasoning Test to the Scholastic Assessment test because it was established that the SAT could not be used as a measure of intelligence. I would be really interested in the exact name and author of the study from which you quote your statistics. Perhaps it was not widely published because it attempted to use the SAT as a measure of intelligence, rather than a measure of academic knowledge.
Anyone who tries to draw general simplified conclusions about the people around them from the results of population studies are showing their lack of intelligence. I have a particular distaste for this habit since such unenligtened thinking leads to labelling of groups of people which allows the labeller to dehumanize (or objectify) these groups in their minds. This then permits/"justifies" atrocities agaisnt one group by another. Extreme examples are Nazi Germany agasint Jews, the KKK against African Americans in America, Europeans enslaving Africans in centuries past, Romans enslaving barbarians, and the list goes on. I see many examples of this polluted type of thinking in these posts. The solution is to always take the mindset that each individual you see around you, no matter what their race, gender, or country of origin should be considered for their individual merit based on their individual abilities and actions. One of the themes you are seeing in population studies is that the bigger the study the less difference you will see in large groups of people since inevitably they are all human and not drastically different from one another. Yet any indiviual you see can fall anywhere on the scale of intelligence, such that there can be large differences between members of a small set of inidividuals you may encounter. So you are best served by evaluating every individual separately to determine their merits.
Looks like the author has struck a nerve with the men--wow!
At any rate, the following has been my experience:
1. If a person has to outwardly claim something repeatedly (e.g. superiority of intellect) it's probably not true.
2. Fear-based posturing, as displayed by some of the males on this page, is generally evidence of a lack of intellect.
3. According to the data I have worked with, the highest scoring individuals on IQ tests were not white males. Rather, they were Asian immigrant females, specifically immigrant Chinese females. They dominated the right-hand of the bell curve in the most recent studies I have seen. No one seems to mention this, interestingly enough.
Further, it should be considered that in the specific areas of IQ tests noted by most experts (like mathematical reasoning), Asians score a few points higher than whites. It is not a huge difference. It's similar to the patterns seen on the male vs. female bell curves--there are more Asians than whites that are extremely high scorers in these areas. Why do the white profs. not bring this up? Further, if one uses the same reasoning that men use against women, mainly, that this difference produces scientific field excellence and/or dominance, one would obtain much higher numbers of Asian scientific field dominance than those observed (despite the fact that they are a small minority). Why is this cutesy IQ score logic only used against women? Maybe the aforementioned selective logic is really more evidence of male psychological problems than female scientific incompetence...
Yes, he struck a nerve! It warms my heart that people are still thinking. In anycase, ya just can't pigeon hole people. My sibs and I are black and members of Mensa (except my big brother - he maintains the "I would never be a member of a club that would have me as a member!" stand). It all has to do with exposure and the home. Our Mom provided a loving and disciplined home and made sure we were exposed to the right stuff, I guess.
Yes--I am glad to see that some people are still thinking on this page and in academia as well. For those who would like a skeptical look at IQ tests, check out the following:
http://www.skepticreport.com/pseudoscience/iq2.htm
http://skepdic.com/iqrace.html
I find a bit of skepticism refreshing... Here's to the pursuit of truth!
p.s. Be sure to thank your Mom for all her hard work!
given that humankind has evolved in a particular way for millennia where genders have been allocated different responsibilities and each gender exposed to tasks of specific natures, it follows obviously that some people will be better at some things due to social as well as genetic reasons. give everyone equal opportunities and see the results in a century. also, how scientific are the scientific studies - what were the biases of those who designed the IQ tests? how unbiased are the analyses? how inclusive and balanced are the tests of skill sets across genders?
mike at 10:27:19pm, do you have a problem with equal opportunities for all people? the issue feminism is concerned with is not that science is bad. feminism asks for a solution to imbalance, that 1% you talk about. a solution so that a century from now scientific tests would be more accurate. do you have a problem with that? or would you prefer that the 1% remains?
Interesting that evolution is accepted as fact. Evolution is a theory concocted just over 100 years ago at the Galapolos Isles. It suggests that species or beings are constantly being influenced by their enivironment to the extent that the being will make changes to itself, over time, in order to adapt to that environment. This would have to be a non-ending process, which would mean beings would be much more alike than they are now. In other words, the so-called missing link would not be missing. Where is the being that would connect a worm to a snake, for instance? There's way too much missing.
Also, where did the first matter and energy come from that started the process? The Big Bang? Where did it come from?
Evolution is a crock.
To the women of this board, us men have patronized you for thousands of years, and I agree that you have every right to finally come back and claim the respect you deserve. But in all honesty, neither gender is smarter. These airhead tests (both the ones that say women are smarter and the ones that say men are) seem to forget the role environment plays in intelligence, as well as tester bias. Where was the test conducted? How were the participants raised? What gender is the majority of the testers? How were the testers raised?
This is not an airhead test! Nowhere does it say men or women are smarter. The true average was basically the same--only perception differed. Learn how to read for content.
It actually said both are equal, but also said girls scored higher on tests later in the read. My point is, there was an implication that girls are smarter.
I disagree. Take for instance, the U.S. Department of State Foreign Service exam. Some years ago a class action was filled based on your enviornment variables. Basically saying that the test was geared toward white males, 20 to 30 years, father and mother in the home, born and bread in the U.S. northeast with post-graduate studies completed. I took the test before the class action and aced it: I am black, from the south, would not know my father if he walked in the door, and at the time had only a high school diploma. I was between 20 and 30 years old though...
I don't see what the ruckus. The "importance" on IQ and the constant need to differentiate the sexes brings nothing productive to the table of life. Generalizing whole populations is pointless as there are always anomalies and exceptions. It's useless knowledge and has no real value beyond entertainment.
I don't see what the ruckus. The "importance" on IQ and the constant need to differentiate the sexes brings nothing productive to the table of life. Generalizing whole populations is pointless as there are always anomalies and exceptions. It's useless knowledge and has no real value beyond entertainment.
i agree with you.But I think,men take less time to think .so they think they are more smart then woman but women can take more right dissition then men.
If "smart" has anything to do with running the world then "smart" (particularly "Texas Smart") has gotten us into a huge mess...
If "smart" has anything to do with running the world, then "smart" (particularly "Texas Smart") has gotten us into a huge mess...
If "smart" has anything to do with running the world, then "smart" (particularly "Texas Smart") has gotten us into a huge mess...
If you think this is controversial, consider the difference in racial IQs. The average white IQ is 100 and the average black IQ is 85. IQ is around 80% genetic. Think about that.
Or IQ tests are just horribly slanted towards the middle class white American knowledge base. Think about that.
What I remember most about the Larry Summers incident was one female participant saying she had to leave the room lest she lose conciousness. As a woman I felt demeaned by HER reaction. Within 24 hours I received phone video of a woman being stoned in Tehran. My first reaction on viewing the video was perhaps we should send that whining crybaby to Tehran so she can really take a stand for women.
Phhh! Everyone knows that women are smarter than men, and we've been brainwashing them for centuries to think they're smarter than us so that they'll do nice things for us poor women. It's a bad habit, I know, but we'll do whatever works!
"You lambaste this article as a "femenistic BS study" that ignores "60 years worth of science", yet, all this article states is that women, on a cognitive, IQ level are equal with men."
Which is intellectually dishonest. There are plenty of scientific studies out there that have proven men are on average more intelligent than women are and that the brains of men and women are vastly different. Why don't you do yourself a favor and go look them up and read them, instead of just ignoring them like the typical feminist?
"It also states that women are raised to believe that they are less intelligent than they actually are"
That claim is based on absolutely nothing. The main reason why women are not as assertive and confident as men are is because they're exposed to the hormone testosterone to a much lesser degree during the gestation period than men are. To understand the significance of that you'd have to research the affects of testosterone on the human brain and body.
"Men are considered more spatially intelligent while women are more emotionally intelligent."
And they are, but the reason is not because of social engineering ike many of you feminuts believe; it's because of things like GENETICS and TESTOSTERONE. Did you know that there's a 1% difference between the human male and the human female? To put that in perspective, there's a 1.5% difference between humans and chimpanzees. Also, did you know that during gestation the human male's brain is severed 2/3rds between the left and right hemispheres, limiting
communication between the right and left sides, which enables men to more effectively use the right side of their brains? A woman's brain is completely opposite. There is no severing of the left and right hemispheres, which allows the two sides to both communicate freely and frequently. This leads leads to difficulty in excelling in technical areas; however, it aids them in child rearing, emotions, et cetera.
*GASP* Do you think I'm making this stuff up?!
Take your nose out of that womyn's studies book and pick up a science book. You might learn something.
Why has this article ( it is just an article you know ) troubled you so? You are REALLY angry about this! Lighten up! It isn't going to affect your manhood darling!
"Take your nose out of that womyn's studies book and pick up a science book. You might learn something."
LOL, but how? womyn weren't squeezed in the head in their mum's tummy. this leads to difficulty in excelling in technical areas.....how will they learn from science books?
Greetings and Blessings to all of you from pelayo; The study is powerful given it helps some of us recognize the power of notions and perceptions which eventually affects everyone: If we all know what the below comment (in quotes) claims we all know, then why even bother spending the time, energy, and effort commenting about things everyone is supposed to know, anyway? Redundant do you not think so?
"""Comment: Who really needs a study? Any reasonable person with more than a 2nd grade education knows that there is no superior sex and that men and women are equal in intelligence. The only significant "findings" in this study is that men over estimate their own intelligence. Well, we already knew that too!"""
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