He's Not as Smart as He Thinks

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  • Posted By: duck01 @ 01/25/2008 5:43:45 PM

    This reminds me of two situations: my parents and my own. My father tied a world chess champion when he was about 8 yrs old. My mother was a skilled diplomat, artist, businesswoman and both finished areers in teaching. My mother always brought up my father's accomplishments and we watched my father depend on my mother to keep everyything going ....home, moving, finances, clients, house help, name it, my mother was in charge. In that relationship there was a mutual respect of each one's accomplishments.

    Now, my situation: I envisioned for myself the same situation. I am female, my father recognized my academic abilities and I was kept in difficult, selective private schools to be prepared for a good University career. I graduated froma top school with honors. I looked for someone intellectually similar and married a guy who's parents proclaimed him to be very intelligent. What I did not understand, until much later, is that
    emotional problems curtail the accomplishments of a person with abilities, that they become offensive, abusive and angry and downsize the abilities of the married partner.

    Here is my summary: the partner who understands the skill of survivalship and is emotionally balanced is the person who can use his//her intelligence completely. Intelligence is after all, the ability to learn.

  • Posted By: John in the South @ 01/25/2008 5:37:04 PM

    The article understandably provokes alot of emotions because of the obvious importance intelligence determines in each of our lives. Our species is named "thinking man", Homo sapiens, and this goes straight to the core of what we have to offer. It is, in fact, the "biggest tool" we bring to bear on the problems we encounter throughout our lives.

    That men have a slightly higher IQ is best demonstrated by history itself -- the great advances and discoveries, as well as inventions were almost entirely accomplished by men. The normal bell-shaped distrubution demonstrates that individuals of both sexes will be represented well above and well below the mean.

    The difficulty comes from taking the average and applying it to an individual. Even if there is a slight difference in average intelligence, the individual should be evaluated on his own merits. Honestly, it is somewhat unrealistic to expect that average intelligence of the sexes or the races would be equal. History simply demonstrates otherwise.

  • Posted By: Septimus @ 01/25/2008 12:28:33 PM

    i will challange any women. saying a women is smarter then men. get the h_ll out of here. men can do more and study harder then most females. where do you brits get your sources. and please do the rest of the world a favor and shut the h_ll up. people like brits dont deserve to have any say in anything. dumb A__ English People.

    • Posted By: zavfamily @ 01/25/2008 12:35:28 PM

      Septimus, before you put down another group of people you should learn how to use the language they gave you. I am not British, I am American and I believe you would be well served to read what you write before you post.

      • Posted By: Septimus @ 01/25/2008 12:42:36 PM

        please to set here and dog men and say they are not smarter. is wrong in so many ways. how do you figuar women even have the smarts. men run the country. heck even the world. good x- for ya. hillary clinton has to lie to try to make it as a president. thats sounds smart to me. and how about this hillary clinton lies threw her teeth all the time and the media and the world see this. this sounds to me like women are smarter.. what ever guy. post your crap and belifes somewhere else like a iran website or something. stop tring to pull eveybody leg. im just saying what everybody is really thinking . even you women know i am right

        • Posted By: enoughalready @ 01/25/2008 5:34:48 PM

          People, please, stop paying attention to this Septimus fella. You're just feeding his arrogant attitudes. No matter what you say, he is going to try to find a rationalization to make himself feel right. His simple brain can't handle the complexities between the sexes, so he has to rely on stereotypes to rationailze his arrogant behavior. (Definition of arrogance= ego plus ignorance). His poor spelling and the fact that he justifies it just proves this point. Just like FDR once said, "No matter how many times you tell a lie, it does not make it true." I'm a national award winning male professional who has worked with and for brilliant men, brilliant women, stupid men, and stupid women all over this great country of ours. The human brain is just that--a human brain. which absorbs data 24/7, and how each person chooses to use their time and the data of life is a personal decision, not a gender-based one. When you let your culture define you, you let it confine you. I'd much rather judge, and be judged, by the content of character than by whether I have a big **** or a nice pair of ****s. I mean really, we've got much bigger fish to fry (health care, terrorism, poverty, etc.) which require ALL our brain capacity, it's just a waste to trivialize our time and energy on this dead horse. And Septimus, remember this: When you poin t the finger at others, you have three fingers on the same hand pointing back at yourself. Stop being a victim, blaming everyone else for your obvious insecurities. Stop bring the probl;em down to meet the level of your brain, and lift your brain to meet thelevel of the problem.

  • Posted By: John in the South @ 01/25/2008 5:29:47 PM

    The article understandably provokes alot of emotions because of the obvious importance intelligence determines in each of our lives. Our species is named "thinking man", homo sapiens, and this goes straight to the core of what we have to offer. It is, in fact the "biggest tool" we bring to bear on the problems we encounter throughout our lives.

    That men have a slightly higher IQ is best demonstrated by history itself -- the great advances and discoveries, as well as inventions were almost entirely accomplished by men. The normal bell-shaped distrubution demonstrates that individuals of both sexes will be represented well above and well below the mean.

    The difficulty comes from taking the average and applying it to an individual. Even if there is a slight difference in average intelligence, the individual should be evaluated on his own merits. Honestly, it is somewhat unrealistic to expect that average intelligence of the sexes or the races would be equal. History simply demonstrates otherwise.

  • Posted By: Emeraude @ 01/25/2008 5:15:09 PM

    So many opinions...so little time. I dont usually read blogs..alot of energy and passion for a non-issue. Get a life..worry about the real problems facing this country. We are in trouble..use all that "brain power" you claim to have. Study the candidates...vote. If these candidates dont solve the problems...WE THE PEOPLE should wake up and find some new ones.

  • Posted By: SRaven7 @ 01/25/2008 5:07:01 PM

    I think there are also cultural differences that affect the perception of intelligence in genders. I was brought up with women being smarter than men.

  • Posted By: SRaven7 @ 01/25/2008 5:05:47 PM

    There might also be cultural differences to the whole perceived intelligence of genders. I was brought up with a different aspect of women over men.

  • Posted By: tahitiansunset @ 01/25/2008 3:43:30 PM

    I found as a child and young adult that when I spouted my ideas as my own, they were never taken seriously, however; if I stated that they came from "some guy I know"...they were thought provacative and even at times profound. Today I find that most women think my ideas are "right on the money" yet there are still quite a few men who, like my husband, dismiss my thoughts until one of his counterparts states the same thing I had said a week prior.

    I have always thought that there were/are many more brilliant women inventors, scientists, philosophers, politicians, etc than history records or gives credit to. Women today do have more of a voice...yet they are still drowned out most times by the deafening sounds from educational sources, government, , the meida, the scientific community, the workplace and home by the overbearing, oversensitive, and dense forcefield that is the male ego.

    • Posted By: justathought99 @ 01/25/2008 5:02:18 PM

      I've had the same experience. Exasperating isn't it! Ugh..

    • Posted By: stone5150 @ 01/25/2008 3:48:10 PM

      Sorry to break it to you but that also applies to guys like me when I was younger. I was a large muscle bound linebacker type. People alwasy assumed I was dumb by the way I looked. I also had to preface my thoughts with "I read somewhere" or some such nonesense to get people to listen to my thoughts.

      The bigger problem with society is in stereotypes and preconcieved notions based on nothing substantial.

  • Posted By: melmakar @ 01/25/2008 4:59:44 PM

    I come from the planet Schizlak, and I find that all humans, male or female, are completely stupid and without merit. I don't think I read a single post that had been proofed or spellchecked. Please do yourselves a favor and get World War III over with, so the rest of us can utilize your planet's remaining resources. Thanks.

  • Posted By: justathought99 @ 01/25/2008 4:58:20 PM

    The article is affirming what most women already know. Sadly, my own mother definitely thinks that her three sons are smarter than her two daughters (my sister and I). Both females and males each have their strengths and weaknesses intellectually. I will work hard not to perpetuate the dumbing down of the female race.

  • Posted By: MDFinPDX @ 01/25/2008 4:46:23 PM

    "Thedude123" should also check a dictionary. It's "vice versa" not "vise versa." Bookmark www.m-w.com.

    • Posted By: Thedude123 @ 01/25/2008 4:49:29 PM

      I stand corrected, please feel free to beat me with a whip.

  • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 4:41:28 PM

    thylacine your vocabulary is nothing to desire---how is your IQ? copying your comment----"Sayin wimmins aint dumberer than mens is liek sayin this globbil warmin is reel. Wimmins shud not voat cuz thay aer not peepel. -Bob"

    • Posted By: FranklinD @ 01/25/2008 4:48:06 PM

      That post was a joke.

  • Posted By: buttercupxbabie @ 01/25/2008 4:46:05 PM

    After reading several comments, by no means all of them mind you, I feel like I should add my own personal experience to this.

    I am a woman and quite proud of that fact. I am also a feminist but by no means what people like to call a "feminazi." I am not a lesbian or a man basher. I have a boyfriend who I love dearly. I believe that women have been objectified greatly in media and daily life and this is probably a major factor on why women may think they're less intelligent than men. The focus for women is supposed to be their beauty and youthfulness. Very rarely do you see intelligence being rewarded. I agree with whoever said that women are probably deferring to men only to be appreciated and win their favor. That is, to get a boyfriend/husband. I think that's a sad and very dangerous mental state to be in.

    Personally, I have never felt myself as being overall dumber than any man, save maybe older men just because they've lived longer and had the opportunity to learn more. But that means I'm also dumber than older women for the same reason. I know my strengths and weaknesses. I know a man of my age could probably beat me at Math because I hate the subject. I highly doubt he could best me at English.

    The point is gender is a construction and biological differences between men and women don't explain everything. There are a lot of factors in what makes up a person and his/her personality. This includes past experiences. I guess I was lucky in that when I was younger I was never told that my ideas were invalid due to my being a female. In fact, I was the smartest in my class and everyone knew it. Of course, I got picked on but I'm the one who's laughing now as I got into a great college. In fact, it was because of the boys making fun of me that I became a feminist, trying to prove my equality or superiority in everything. Maybe the real point I'm trying to make is blame history and cultural norms. "Norm" does not mean "right" or "good."

  • Posted By: mkt6746 @ 01/25/2008 3:16:29 PM

    Can someone explain what "emotional intelligence" is exaclty? And for the record, anytime one party is seeking equality with another, it is counter-productive to try and put the other side down as much as possible. This only breeds animosity in a situation where cooperation is required.

    • Posted By: jbr24601 @ 01/25/2008 4:45:28 PM

      The 'Emotional Quotient', or 'EQ' is a theory stemming from the belief that not all intelligence can be measured by the standard 'IQ' test. Basically, it purports to measure a person's inter-personal skills. However, the test is still controversial and has not been universally approved by the scientific community to correctly measure this kind of intelligence, as has the 'IQ' test, and so is not regularly administered by any major testing or government agency that I know of. On an anecdotal level, there does seem to be an inter-personal skill that is not measured by the standard 'IQ' test, but that seems to help people succeed in their daily interactions with others, however, most social psycologists agree that there needs to be more research before this can be prooved conclusively.

  • Posted By: Thedude123 @ 01/25/2008 4:45:04 PM

    It's funny that it took you two posts to insult me Elleinia.... I'm wondering whose ego was left at the door and who just wanted to insult someone based on a screen name. Why not post a real opinion and not attack me for writing mine.

  • Posted By: ElleInIa @ 01/25/2008 4:33:18 PM

    Well anyone with "TheDude123" as his screen name should really be taken seriously when talking about intelligence!!!

  • Posted By: FranklinD @ 01/25/2008 4:27:10 PM

    I notice that even as a man I am thought to have a lower intelligence by people, who mostly are in my family, because I am not the first born. It seems that the first child, with exceptions, is viewed as the "smart one" in most families. I also notice that the first child usually believes he is superior only because this idea is reinforced from birth. Placement within your family is an important factor as well. IMO from observation.

  • Posted By: ashland @ 01/25/2008 4:00:19 PM

    Sending the wrong signals will influence our perception of how we view orselves, our mothers and daughters.
    I grew up in a European country, and I have to say that I was never told that I was a second-class citizen because I was a girl. My parents always thought me, that as long as I was willing to work for it as hard, as the next person. I feel that it is degrading how other WOMEN keep telling me that I am part of the "weaker gender". Women in this country do themselves a great injustice with the attitude they have towards men, and towards other women. Women are NOT a minority group, and STOP telling other women, that "we have to stick together" - Grow up!

    • Posted By: TheInquisitor @ 01/25/2008 4:22:05 PM

      Yeah you go girl!

  • Posted By: horseman0130 @ 01/25/2008 4:15:25 PM

    The problem with studies such as this is there really is no explanation for the basis of the study. Typically people who take intellegence test are probably those with some awareness of were they stand intellectually. Those who are below average would tend to avoid such test. So without a random sampling the tests become meaningless.

    Personally I feel there is no difference between the sexes on an "ability to learn" level. Unfortunately women in most countries are given far fewer opportunities. Based on that if intellegience is a measurment of knowledge then of course those less educated will come up short.

    In those countries where women are given greater opportunity, I feel the impression of intellect is still over shadowed by socio-sexual habit. Women stroke a mans ego as part of the courting ritual. Men play the big strong protector as part of that same ritual. To me there is no bigger turn off than a woman who tries to "dummy down" simply becuase she thinks it's expected. If you're with a man you think requires that then perhaps his low opinon of your intellect is deserved. If you're a man looking for that kind of relationship, you might consider a few more years at home with mommy before looking for a life time partner.

  • Posted By: Gaelish @ 01/25/2008 3:58:58 PM

    ...you and your daughter ARE mentally superior, not IS mentally superior.

    • Posted By: TheInquisitor @ 01/25/2008 4:11:21 PM

      Yeah yeah.. I already caught that but too late, already posted. OMG I'm so stupid!!!

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