He's Not as Smart as He Thinks

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  • Posted By: soren lerby @ 01/25/2008 3:42:23 PM

    Do anyone really think that if some studies show that men have higher IQ, such studies will be published? Will Newsweek report it? No Way! But if there are some studies showing women have higher IQ, it will be all over news. But we haven't seen such news. What does it tell you?

    People do get message from public linching of Sommers. And smart people, like researchers, don???t risk ruining their lives by publishing findings that run counter to feminist-approved worldview.

    • Posted By: kitkatt @ 01/25/2008 4:06:03 PM

      To Soren Lerby: I think it's interesting that you mention a feminist-approved worldview in light of the fact that women are still sorely underrepresented in some of the more lucrative careers and are still paid considerably less than their male counterparts in the same profession. I think that in terms of what gets reported it's not so much what will be perceived as politically correct but rather what is deemed newsworthy. If anyone made findings (and I'm sure that somewhere they have) that men are in fact smarter than women, I don't think that anyone would deem it news. The existing social assumption is that men are smarter, even though that is not true. There's no need to confirm what everyone already thinks. I agree with the commentor who stated that we as a society must learn to base our perceptions of others based on what they do and their ideas rather than on gender or other irrelevant criteria. One last note: feminism as a movement arose out of a basic demand to be treated with respect and equality. When did treating people the way you want to be treated become a bad thing?

  • Posted By: chiefer @ 01/25/2008 3:58:38 PM

    Women or more intelligent and less intelligent when it benefits them. They seem to have a greater ability to adapt in and out as needed. I would like to ask if a study on whether one race is more intellligent than another has been attempted and if so what were the results?

  • Posted By: anotherait @ 01/25/2008 3:57:40 PM

    This is what I have to say about this entire male female gender differences thing. I believe each person individually decides by their past life experiences who is the smarter person. What it really boils down to is not who is smarter men vs. women but who has less of a big ego. That is what makes the difference. Each person is very intellegent but putting a person on a pedestool and exalting one person higher than another is just a set up for hurt, anger, frustration and fear. And what I would like to see is, people getting along and becoming all equal whether it be a male or female, or black, or white, or orange, or what ever the difference is we all put our pants on one leg at a time. And If there are a ny aliens out there they do the same thing as we do. We are all created equal. Period end of statement.

  • Posted By: mscarr1 @ 01/25/2008 3:45:03 PM

    Clearly - cultural norms are the key indicators here. If across the globe men are perceived as having higher intellect - but not really - this is a learned attitude and understandably so.

    Male children are favored more than female children because in most countries they carry on the family lineage. Truth is - most women know they are equal to men in intellect - we are simply conditioned to behave as if we are not.

    Sad because if we would behave based on our true intellect - we might make more progress in all areas of science, commerce, education etc. But instead, we opt to cater to the male ego and preserve our options to marry and reproduce because many men reject women who outwardly display equivalent intelligence.

  • Posted By: omega_digital @ 01/25/2008 3:44:54 PM

    These women can't leave well enough alone, huh?

  • Posted By: omega_digital @ 01/25/2008 3:43:34 PM

    These women just don't know how to leave well enough alone, huh?

  • Posted By: bio ms @ 01/25/2008 11:26:18 AM

    Greetings all,
    I thought I would weigh in from the scientific community. A colleague of mine (who is of the complementary gender) and I have studied this matter of gender-linked intelligence. We have found that there is indeeed a relationship between the type of intelligence expressed and the sex-linked chromosomal complement expressed in the individual. (Remedial Biology lesson: Men are born with XY sex chromosomes, women are born with XX sex chromosomes). We have good-naturedly agreed that the following is true:
    Men suffer from broken chromosome syndrome
    and
    Women are born with two strikes against them
    :-D

    • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 12:08:25 PM

      No Mr. Bio ms your mistaken XY means men suffer from a broken chromosome syndrome and women are double heavy duty with XX chromosome, if you have ever looked at statistics women live longer cause we are stronger, and or are not stupid and take chances like men do.

      • Posted By: stone5150 @ 01/25/2008 2:09:51 PM

        Taking risks doesn't alsway indicate lower intelligence.

        If the risk taken is something like surfing a tornado then, yes, it is stupid, but if the risk is something like trying to fly a winged bicycle off a cliff in 1903 then it is just brave.

        • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 3:11:08 PM

          Sorry to disagree with u stone5150 but stupid is stupid especially trying to fly a winged bicycle off a cliff. And just cause u like to do something and take a chance it doesnt make u brave or smart/intelligent. I think people should think ahead look at the consequences like pros and cons use common sense then make a move forward, intelligence must kick in somewhere before u act.

          • Posted By: stone5150 @ 01/25/2008 3:42:40 PM

            You obviously didn't get the reference "trying to fly a winged bicycle off of a cliff in 1903' is in regards to the Wright Brothers.

      • Posted By: bio ms @ 01/25/2008 12:26:06 PM

        Dear Maria 57: Hate to break it to you hon, but that's Mrs. bio ms. I double checked just to be sure and my pair is indeed on my chest and not between my legs. ;-)
        I find it very sad when we prefer to knock others down but are afraid to laugh at ourselves.

        • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 12:49:48 PM

          Sorry for the Mr. part Mrs. bio ms but i still think that the XY and XX has no real meaning on IQ, some wish to utilize theirs better than others, and i still think women are the best at utilizing their IQ and no XX will slow me down, for am a survivor and if theres a better way of thinking i will find it.

  • Posted By: americajane @ 01/25/2008 3:42:12 PM

    Okay, we see what the problem is, now how do you recommend we fix it? Should we as a society let this falsehood be replicated generation after generation, and where does this belief come from? Men and women alike should realize that although we are different, that there really is not one sex that is better than the other. Just like people of the same sex have different strengths and weaknesses, so do people of different sexes, i.e. male and female. The challenge is admitting that each person, whether male or female, has different strengths and weaknesses. Once this admission has been made, the compromise and trust must be done. One must trust the other and be willing to make the compromise of relinguishing control of a task that is their weakness and allow the one with strength in that area to retain control. We must work as a team in order to improve our society. Of course, no one wants to admit that they are weak on any level in any subject area. But truth be told, nobody's perfect!

  • Posted By: natrgrl @ 01/25/2008 3:41:58 PM

    i think this article just emphasizes what most people aren't really ready to admit, but know is true. if you really examine your own notions about your own intelligence, whether your a man or a woman, you may see that you yourself fit right into this weird global pattern. it's not bashing anyone, it's actually more a comment, in my opinion, on the gender inequalities that still exist the whole world over. i actually know for a fact, through personal experience and studies i've read, that when women are given a task as a group, and there aren't any men in the group, there will be some clear leaders in every aspect of the task and they wind up getting things done.. but, if there is one or more men added to the mix, they will usually all differ to the men to make decisions for the group as a whole. this goes towards at least agreeing with, if not proving, that it's true that women and men both perceive men to be more intelligent. i know most women i have in my circle would probably agree that while this is a sad phenomenon, it's probably a lot better than it used to be. women still urn $0.75 for every dollar urned by men, for the same positions, so there must be people at the top that aren't just thinking and judging their employees by the "clarity of their ideas" and their work ethic. this ha been the case in my own life, as well as the lives of many of my colleagues. strong women, and those who may try to get more for what they do, are sometimes labeled as being "difficult" or a five letter word meaning literally "female dog".. by men and other women. and then, if women don't demand more or equal pay/benefits/opportunities, they're labeled as "subservient" or as a dish-rag. it's not about bashing, again, it's just reality. i'd advise anyone interested in reading some more about this issue to read a book called "the f-word".. it deals with the feminist movement through the generations, and how a lot of people actually think it's over, but there's still a lot of inequalities that exist, there just a little more "undercover" maybe. it gives all sorts of statistics and sites many many studies by all sorts of reputable organizations.. it may a little one sided, i guess, but will give those of you out there who were insulted by this article a different perspective, which is never a bad thing.
    (and yeah, dr. phil is a media spectacle for sure.. i agree. at least he's getting people talking about their cr*p!)

  • Posted By: tahitiansunset @ 01/25/2008 3:35:43 PM

    Growing up I found that if I presented a thought or idea in the form of: "I read where some guy said" or "This guy I know stated that..." my ideas were not only accepted, but at times thought brilliant and even profound. However, if I tried to take credit for my ideas...I was usually told in a condesending manner, "Yes that's nice" as though if they patted me on the head and pretended to give my thoughts credence..I would go away. I find today that when I spout forth my ideas as my own...a lot of the women are impressed more so than the men who, like my husband will carry on when he hears the same thing from a male counterpart that he dismissed when I said it a week prior.

    I have always thought, even as a child that women are much smarter than they are allowed to take credit for; that there are many more women who have been inventors, break-through scientists, philosophers, etc then have been recorded in history so that men can perpetuate the idea that men are much smarter than women. Women are finally getting a voice, yet it is still being drowned out by the voice of the media, the voice of our educational systems, the workplace and the home by the overbearing, oversensitive, and overloud male ego.

  • Posted By: Houlbelat @ 01/25/2008 1:52:08 PM

    A report published in the British Journal of Psychology states that men are on average five points ahead on on the basis of survey results of IQ tests. It further states that, there are twice as many men with IQ scores of 125, a level accepted to correspond with people getting first-class degrees.
    At scores of 155, associated with genius, there are 5.5 men for every woman.
    The differences may some what explain the greater numbers of men achieving distinctions of various kinds, such as chess grandmasters, medallists for mathematics, Nobel prize-winners and the like. But the reasons may be attributed more to the shortage of available female performers in those areas partly caused by child-minding duties, which restrict working hours as well as deep involvements of women..

    • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 3:33:11 PM

      This isn't being disputed in the article. It even says "Although [men and women] are on average the same, the people at the very top and the very bottom of the IQ bell curve are more likely to be men. That is a pattern that we see in the university setting, with men either being at the very top of the class or at the bottom." And while your glorifying men being in the top of the bell curve, you should acknowledge the other end as well. Besides the article is not about who is smarter it's about "perceived intelligence."

  • Posted By: thylacine @ 01/25/2008 3:32:13 PM

    I need to apologize. Bob is really a college educated female having a little fun with you guys. Sorry... ! It was a joke. As you can see, I can actually spell relatively well. -The person who pretended to be Bob.

  • Posted By: Haida @ 01/25/2008 3:30:03 PM

    This is apparent. At the same time, men are more outwardly competetive and seem to hide feelings of inferiority better. I really think the basis for the difference mentioned above is religious programming.

  • Posted By: gloriousdisaster @ 01/25/2008 3:26:11 PM

    This is also in response to NelsonRA....
    I have a hard time listening to an argument supplied by someone who does not know the correct spelling of "influence" or the correct form of "affect" versus "effect" to use. Perhaps you should reconsider your position on your own intelligence; I fear you have grossly overestimated your IQ.

  • Posted By: dcbeck @ 01/25/2008 2:38:16 PM

    I know for a fact that I am just as if not much smarter than most of the men I know. I also know that my 16yo daughter is smarter than her brothers AND my husband, combined.

    It is a ridiculous notion for any man to think he's smarter than a woman just because he's a man - do her wrong and try to win that battle. HA!

    • Posted By: TheInquisitor @ 01/25/2008 3:03:36 PM

      Ouch. A parents perception of thier kids limitations often have more of an influence on a childs abilities (or lack their of) then what the child is actually capabile of. Freely expressing that you and your daughter is mentally superior to your husband and all your sons leads me to this impression. Due to your excessive feminist ego, you lack respect for the males in your family, including your husband, and favor your daughter. Bummer for them.

      • Posted By: dcbeck @ 01/25/2008 3:23:37 PM

        Why how very narrow minded and ignorant of you to think that I treat my children any different or perceive even one as having limitations. My daughter tends to express her intelligence more openly whereas the boys, well - boys will be boys. I have raised very well-rounded, intelligent, artistic and open-minded children - in a world as morally-challenged as this one. They have incredible self-esteem and a real compassion for those less fortunate. They do not get their joy from material things but from what matters most - family and God. I am no feminist.

  • Posted By: Houlbelat @ 01/25/2008 3:22:59 PM

    We all agree that, life is like a two wheel cart with husband and wife its wheels. But, the wheels must be of same size to move forward. Even a small size difference in wheels will allow the cart to move only in a circle, without reaching any destination.

    Why the man calls his wife the "better half"? It has a long history, The phase relates to the "survival of the fittest". History of human civilization tells us that, there was a time, when women were kept by men in chains. Being "weaker sex", women developed urge to survive free from shackles by developing and employing some tactical superiority. The first known University was created by women which developed, taught and transferred skills between women, to became free from the chains without going into the drills of usual martial tactics in which they found themselves seriously disadvantaged. Therefore, they developed the art of making themselves the "better half", through various procedures to "make-up" their weaknesses into their strength. It took several thousand years of struggle before they started winning. Today men happily strived to win the hearts of women and long to find their best match to marry. When successful, they proudly call them their prized better halves.
    It would be good to remember that, women's ornamental jewelry like bangles, necklaces, ear rings, nose pins, etc are the reminders of their hard fought struggle to get free from their captive "chain-age".
    Ironically, the struggle continued un-checked even after success of women, only to take a wrong new turn. The arm and neck chains have not only started disappearing from the wrists and necks of women, where they were reminders of their horrible "chain-age", but have swapped places with the opposite sex, now decorating the arms and necks of our new generation of young men. This is the grand finale of the fight of women against men, winning medals of which are now decorating the deteriorating bodies of men. Do we need to go any further into the inter-gender superiority debate?

  • Posted By: TheInquisitor @ 01/25/2008 3:11:29 PM

    Who cares if the study was done by a man. It still doesn't mean it isn't bias. How can anyone get anywhere prestigious in psychology unless they bash men in their research? How else would you get funded? I go to a university, I know how it works. Look at Dr. Phil! You think he would even have a TV show unless he was bashing men on a daily basis on his show? It's all silly crap.

    • Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 3:17:40 PM

      Oh, right. Because all psychology is about the difference between men and women. You know, some psychologists might go their entire careers without doing research on gender differences. Generally, people get funded based on the clarity of their ideas and the potential benefit of their research, not on how many times they have or have not bashed men.

      And Dr. Phil? Are you seriously bringing him into an argument on psychology? The man is a media spectacle, not an intellectual.

  • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 3:14:37 PM

    Well good people its been fun reading a typing here but i must go and finish doing my home repairs, i will check back to see what other ppl are saying/ thinking. Have a good day

  • Posted By: PoppiSpeaks @ 01/25/2008 2:58:31 PM

    I grew up in a very sexist family where even males in remedial classes thought they were smarter than the girls in the gifted classes.(and were treated as such by adults). I wish I could forward this article to them and all of the stupid men and self hating women I have encountered during the course of my life. Sexism is powerful. One of the biggest obstacles to equality is that so many women have been convinced that they and all women are inferior and become products of the machine in the suppression of their own kind.

    • Posted By: Arigom @ 01/25/2008 3:06:34 PM

      Sexism is powerful:

      Yes agreed, but it works both ways- you should be equally critical of women being sexist towards men

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