He's Not as Smart as He Thinks

« Return to Article

Discuss

Member Comments

  • Posted By: tangostar @ 01/25/2008 3:06:12 PM

    This is in response to NelsonRA...
    Historical data concerning the sciences must be taken with a grain of salt, sir. Remember in the modern era, in fact, for as long as we have recorded historical documents, the women of our world have not be allowed to even use their intellects! Women were not allowed to read in many countries around the world until a few centuries ago. And no culture, including the UK and the United States of America even let women go to university until the mid-1800s. Of course, there have been exceptions. But your data is biased. Let's revisit this in about 2,000 years and see what happens. That might be a more balanced approach.

  • Posted By: PoppiSpeaks @ 01/25/2008 3:06:04 PM

    Having grown up in an environment where males in remedial classess thought themselves smarter than girls in gifted classes(and were treated accordingly by adults), I have many years of exposure to this assumed male intellectual superiority. One of the greatest obstacles to equality is self hating women who have been convinced that they and other women are inferior and in turn become suppressors of their own kind.

  • Posted By: WreckinRobin @ 01/25/2008 3:05:33 PM

    Yikes! A quick survey of the postings here clearly shows that most of you, both men AND women, need to go back to school to learn how to spell and compose proper sentences. It's difficult to take comments about intelligence seriously when they appear to be written by idiots!

    And further more, not all men think they are smarter than women. Bob Weir sang it best in the Grateful Dead's 1980's song, "The women are smarter now, that's right!"

  • Posted By: NelsonRA @ 01/25/2008 2:52:40 PM

    The new age feminist view obviously discounts historical performance as a measure of male verses female IQ. Very, very few women have ever been noted, as innovative thinkers... and I do not believe this can be mitigated by feminist views that males oppress female development and self-actualization.

    One only need look at the recent data concerning applied intelligence... Technology, theoretical or applied sciences, business and government leadership... These all point to male dominance, which suggest a higher applied IQ.

    Perhaps Adrian has some bias in her point of view... could it be? In spite of the feminization of the West... we see that men remain the dominant intellect in all areas of the social order.
    Who knows though what the devaluing of males will cause in the long term. Young men today are being held back by new age of feminist enlightenment. Recent trends in education favor the female... as evidenced by the role reversal of male and female in our public schools. More, women are in college today than men.

    Looks... bad for the guy's. Our society may want to reevaluate the enfluence of femisim on males in the educational system and its long-term social benefits. It appears the feminist side is effecting the performance of males in our Educational system... at all levels. Leaving it up to females to fill the positions of leadership in technology, science and our social order.

    Best Regards;

    Ronald A. Nelson

    • Posted By: mcmellen @ 01/25/2008 3:01:53 PM

      Mr. Nelson, I must respectfully point out to you that Adrian Furnham is a MAN.
      Other than that i have to think you are joking, with your insistence on the "dominant male intellect" despite the "feminization of the west" (don't these two things contradict each other?

  • Posted By: gloriousdisaster @ 01/25/2008 3:00:19 PM

    Does anyone else find it incredibly amusing that some of these men think a sexist comment is an acceptable substitute for an intelligent contribution to this discussion?

  • Posted By: teto1904 @ 01/25/2008 3:00:00 PM

    WHAT'S BETTER BLACK OR WHITE, UP OR DOWN, ALUMMINUM OR STEEL, MEN OR WOMEN? NONE! ALL DEPENDS ON THEIR APLICATIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. WAKE UP AND STOP FIGHTING. THE PURPOSE OF THESE KIND OF ARTICLES IS TO CREATE CHAOS AND WHEN THERE IS CHAOS SOMEBODY IS MAKING MONEY WITH YOUR IGNORANCE. ASK AN HONEST LAWYER. UPS THERE'S NONE

  • Posted By: reeblite @ 01/25/2008 2:20:08 PM

    Women have had an eternity of oppression that still exists today, so if a little media male bashing is in order to help build a female's self esteem, I say, go for it. Let the man see what it's been like for a women on this planet since Adam and Eve. Who was blamed for that one? It wasn't Adam's temptation, it was Eve for giving him the apple.

    Men need to bone up and stop whining! How intelligent is that? Just because this one male poster doesn't lower himself, doesn't mean that the majority of men haven't stepped on women forever. Just look at domestic abuse and murder in this country for an example, if he can't divorce her, he'll kill her. If he can't have his way, he kills her. We've come a long way baby. From where? The majority of women in the world still live in hell! Bitter? No! Realistic? Yes. Just because we've gained a foot or two.....we've got miles to go baby.

    • Posted By: ranguli @ 01/25/2008 2:29:54 PM

      You are exactly the type of woman I am raising my daughter not to be.

      • Posted By: Arigom @ 01/25/2008 2:59:31 PM

        re: domestic abuse claim. Dept of Justice and Ctr for Disease Control show that women initiate over half of all domestic abuse. The mantra to the contrary is just factually not correct.

  • Posted By: NelsonRA @ 01/25/2008 2:53:25 PM

    The new age feminist view obviously discounts historical performance as a measure of male verses female IQ. Very, very few women have ever been noted, as innovative thinkers... and I do not believe this can be mitigated by feminist views that males oppress female development and self-actualization.

    One only need look at the recent data concerning applied intelligence... Technology, theoretical or applied sciences, business and government leadership... These all point to male dominance, which suggest a higher applied IQ.

    Perhaps Adrian has some bias in her point of view... could it be? In spite of the feminization of the West... we see that men remain the dominant intellect in all areas of the social order.
    Who knows though what the devaluing of males will cause in the long term. Young men today are being held back by new age of feminist enlightenment. Recent trends in education favor the female... as evidenced by the role reversal of male and female in our public schools. More, women are in college today than men.

    Looks... bad for the guy's. Our society may want to reevaluate the enfluence of femisim on males in the educational system and its long-term social benefits. It appears the feminist side is effecting the performance of males in our Educational system... at all levels. Leaving it up to females to fill the positions of leadership in technology, science and our social order.

    Best Regards;

    Ronald A. Nelson

  • Posted By: WreckinRobin @ 01/25/2008 2:50:49 PM

    Hey, not all men think they are smarter than women.... Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead said it best in their 80's song: The Women are Smarter "That's right!"

  • Posted By: know better @ 01/25/2008 1:55:04 PM

    Hey esinopoli, hundred of civiliizations through the centuries are matriarchal. Do you homework before your all knowing post. Case in point made just by your comments.

    • Posted By: esinopoli @ 01/25/2008 2:08:45 PM

      hundreds compared to THOUSANDS of others that haven't? Are that simple minded to actually believe that the world revolves around the few? No. Modern society has not been shaped upon those civilizations, no matter how important they might have been and still are. The fact remains that the Eastern and Western societies are formed from and have been regulated by a patriarchal society. Do your homework before replying.

      • Posted By: know better @ 01/25/2008 2:17:10 PM

        your comments reek of misogyny . do you know what that means?

        • Posted By: esinopoli @ 01/25/2008 2:24:19 PM

          You know, you really try to be smarter than you are. You must be a man. It's hatred of women. I am a woman and I certainly don't hate being one and nor do I hate any other due to their sex. Because I state facts of the history of matriarchal verses patriarchal societies, I hate women? Got take a few history classes.

          • Posted By: know better @ 01/25/2008 2:44:45 PM

            You need a job. And a boyfriend.

            • Posted By: esinopoli @ 01/25/2008 2:50:26 PM

              I am a Marketing Communications Manager with a MBA for a Fortune 50 company and I've been married (happily btw) for three years at the end of this month. Anything else you think I need? Did I hit the nail on the head with you being male? HA!

  • Posted By: billspoint @ 01/25/2008 2:17:12 PM

    It was a woman that wrote the article, Ibet a man could use the same data and have a completely different argument which is still supported by the data. I think the data should be posted. I think their should be more fact and less opinion.

    • Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 2:27:26 PM

      I'd like to reiterate the point that this was an interview. Most of the words you read came from a man's mouth.

      • Posted By: stone5150 @ 01/25/2008 2:36:21 PM

        He typed the article with his mouth? Wow

        • Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 2:48:57 PM

          I realize, of course, that words can be misrepresented. However, if you read his words, they don't sound terribly feminist. I thought they were pretty objective, even if the writer's questions were leading. From what I understand, he has a simple, non-sexist argument that both genders misperceive a lot about themselves and each other. If you can spin his words into a different argument than the one I'm hearing, feel free.

    • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 2:47:53 PM

      A man did the research. Read the article!

  • Posted By: kidzrgifts @ 01/25/2008 1:44:24 PM

    Commenting on comment made by daplane..Go back to english class and learn how to write a sentence properly as well as spelling!!!!!!! HMMM and maybe a cooking class would be great too-For if you can't make your own darned soup-you are the one with the problems! Plus... have you seen the news lately?!? Lets see, 89% of beatings to babies were done by MEN with ignorant Women who allowed it! So that goes to both genders. Thank you for your ignorance, for you just showed this study right on the money! Men truly do have such ego's that your comment just proved your ignorance. What I can't believe to all of us women out there is there was acutally a study to prove what we wives have known all along!-I also wish to apologize for all the males as in gender as a whole. For having such an ignorant male as daplane to speak for you all when he can't even properly write! -Let's face it, where the male is weak the female is strong and vise versa. That's why we all need one another, not just procreation. For we complete one another and to me is a gift. So remember we are all strong and where one is'nt the other is. What a wonderful gift!

    • Posted By: DanLop @ 01/25/2008 2:47:43 PM

      My mother is a very smart woman and my father is a very smart man, and I do believe on an I.Q. test, he would probably do better than her. But, he, like a lot of men, has a very, very fragile ego, and my mom has had to really "hold him up" over the course of their marriage so that he could be successful in his professional and social life. He knows this, and everyone in my family knows this. He is a genius and was asked to join MENSA, but he would be no where, professionally or otherwise, without the intelligence of my mother. So there are many different kinds of intelligence, and for every dumb man, there is a smart woman, and more every dumb woman, there is a smart man And then there are men and women who are about the same, and there are men and women who are intelligent in different things, like my parents, but who compliment each other.

  • Posted By: Stargazer56 @ 01/25/2008 2:47:11 PM

    Men won't like this article - their egos are too strong to think they're anything but the best! Face it, most men want to think they're smarter than women - except when they need their mothers!

  • Posted By: reeblite @ 01/25/2008 2:08:44 PM

    women have had a lifetime of female bashing, so get used to it. Just because it's your turn, you don't have to whine about it. Bone up!

    • Posted By: stone5150 @ 01/25/2008 2:39:03 PM

      I am happy to finally meet the represntitive for all woman on the planet. Must be a tough job.

  • Posted By: dcbeck @ 01/25/2008 2:36:26 PM

    I know for a fact that I am just as if not much smarter than most of the men I know, I know my daughter is smarter than one of her 2 brothers AND my husband.

    It is a ridiculous notion for any man to think he's smarter than a woman just because he's a man - do her wrong and try to win that battle. HA!

  • Posted By: crag @ 01/25/2008 12:51:46 PM

    Boys are doing worse in school subjects because all they can think about is putting their hands all over the girls.

    • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 1:00:31 PM

      The school system is run by women, many of them feminists. There is no bias against the boys being held to more accountability than the girls?

      • Posted By: treehugger @ 01/25/2008 2:36:14 PM

        define: woman........... define: feminists.........where is your study/conclusion that female teachers are defined into your catagory of being (1) woman or (2) feminists

  • Posted By: Donkeypunch @ 01/25/2008 2:34:42 PM

    Relax, I don't hate women at all. Without women I wouldn't have clean laundry or a clean house and it would probably be decorated poorly. These are what we refer to as jokes, a comical anecdotes to take away from the seriousness of some of the comments posted here. "Got take a few history classes" ?......come on now, I know it's in the heat of the moment, but formulating coherent and rational sentences will help strengthen your argument. Don't take life so seriously, you'll never get out alive.

  • Posted By: tfmulderig @ 01/25/2008 10:18:51 AM

    please explain emotional intelligence

    • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 2:28:47 PM

      good question, would like to know also

  • Posted By: Debbie Too @ 01/25/2008 1:22:33 PM

    Sounds like a lot of big egos happening here.

    • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 1:25:42 PM

      It is too easy of a cop-out to say men who are refuting this are just being egotistical.

      • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 1:37:34 PM

        mensawareness: Stereotyping boys as being pigs is not going to help the fact that the feminized school system marginalizes boys.

        And blaming boys performing poorly in school on a "feminized school system" (Where ever did you get that from?) isn't an easy cop-out?

        mensawareness: Typical feminist responses include laughing, scoffing, character assassinations, spelling/grammar corrections and interrupting (which can not be done here in this forum.) This is what they do when they don't have a real argument. Be aware.

        Calling us "Typical feminist" isn't a cop-out?
        What's good for the goose.....

        • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 1:42:46 PM

          I'm not copping out. As a matter of fact I can answer your questions. Read the book "The War on Boys" by Christine Hoff Sommers to answer your first question. Next, I've argued with enough feminists and hateful women to know that as soon as men stick up for ourselves they go into these really generic ways of arguing that miss the actual point being made, such as the ones I mentioned.

          • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 1:44:16 PM

            Correction. Christina Hoff Sommers. Oops, a typo, I must not be as smart as I think I am :)

            • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 1:46:40 PM

              LOL!

              • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 2:06:57 PM

                Again laugh all you want, you don't have a real argument here.

                • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 2:27:15 PM

                  BTW the LOL wasn't meant to be mean...

                • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 2:25:56 PM

                  Ummm.... Neither do you. Get angry all you want. The information in the article isn't going to change. Men statistically view themselves as smarter than they are more often than women. GET OVER IT!

      • Posted By: snafu @ 01/25/2008 1:44:34 PM

        are you reading the comments? i'd hardly call it a cop-out, it's seems to be a very accurate observation.

        • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 2:00:38 PM

          Of course I am reading the comments, and replying to them. DUH! I agree that the men here are showing egos. So are women, though :) Listen to yourself. You can re-accuse me of the same thing and this can run around in circles but thats becuase you have an ego. Me on the other hand, I would NEVER write an article putting women down or saying they have some silly thing men don't (i.e. ego). I beleive in equal accountability, not extra accountability for things like ego being on men. I have a huge list of articles from Cosmo and LHJ and even major news sources other than Newsweek insististing women are smarter, or that men have some silly traits that women don't have, thus making them superior. Want the entire list of male-bashing in the press that I and a lot of men would NEVER write about women. Not because we really believe women are so much more special, but simply because it is SEXIST towards them.

          • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 2:04:33 PM

            Again I'm sorry for typing so fast, mis-spelling, and double-posting but I'm becoming quite angry here (not egotistical). I am male after all and therefore inferior to you women spelling machines :)

        • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 2:00:44 PM

          Of course I am reading the comments, and replying to them. DUH! I agree that the men here are showing egos. So are women, though :) Listen to yourself. You can re-accuse me of the same thing and this can run around in circles but thats becuase you have an ego. Me on the other hand, I would NEVER write an article putting women down or saying they have some silly thing men don't (i.e. ego). I beleive in equal accountability, not extra accountability for things like ego being on men. I have a huge list of articles from Cosmo and LHJ and even major news sources other than Newsweek insististing women are smarter, or that men have some silly traits that women don't have, thus making them superior. Want the entire list of male-bashing in the press that I and a lot of men would NEVER write about women. Not because we really believe women are so much more special, but simply because it is SEXIST towards them.

Reply

Report Abuse

Enter comments if any for reporting abuse