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Will this 5 year old style argument ever be solved? Probably not.
He's Not as Smart as He Thinks
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Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 01/25/2008 1:30:38 PM
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Posted By: stone5150 @ 01/25/2008 1:58:29 PM
No, I'm smarter!
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Posted By: Debbie Too @ 01/25/2008 11:58:52 AM
Men's big egos cause soooooooooo many problems for everyone !!!!!
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Posted By: Septimus @ 01/25/2008 12:36:42 PM
its women that make our heads so big and egos so big.
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Posted By: Sunny101 @ 01/25/2008 1:53:28 PM
I think Debbie Too was refering to the one on your shoulders.
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Posted By: esinopoli @ 01/25/2008 1:46:39 PM
Since the beginning of civilization, humans have lived in a patriarchal society. I certainly have never believed that men are more intelligent than women or have any reason to "rule" over them. It's quite distressing. I, being a firm believer in Creation, feel that men were never created with the intention of ever being above a female. Ever. Women were created to be "a compliment" to men, or a companion that matches equally to men. It wasn???t until after the proverbial fruit was partaken of that women were cursed with ???Men will dominate you and your hunger will be for your husband.??? Since that time, women have been led around but the rings in their noses, paraded around as belongings and material gains than of human beings. But, that is not the way it is supposed to be and nor was it designed to be that way.
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Posted By: Redsp @ 01/25/2008 1:44:48 PM
blah blah blah
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Posted By: mojo_repair_shop @ 01/25/2008 1:43:25 PM
I think this is a major problem in the work world. Men BS a lot of the time, about their abilities, but can they deliver the goods? I think this all stems from the fact that we treat our little children differently. Little voys get taught other things,litle girls are taught other things. We don't treat them as the same. We don't make little girls compete the same way as little boys who are always put into sports like competetion,where as the little girls are coddled and not shown how to compete, and are not shown how to learn things, or grasp tougher
problems. I think we really throw a wrench in a little girls life, and never expect much out of her, at least that's what it seems like we're doing to our own children. It always appears that woman who ARE competitive are also treated unfairly in the work-place. And do not recieve advances in pay and job titles.
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Posted By: TheInquisitor @ 01/25/2008 1:33:24 PM
What? Don't they know that men can read too? I don't understand why they would publish an article like this and insult their male readers. Maybe they think men are not smart enough to read their magazine, and the ones that do are just not as smart as they think they are.
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Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 1:41:07 PM
A man is the one who did the research, read the article again.
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Posted By: Greg the Third @ 01/25/2008 1:38:32 PM
One has to be very careful here when you look at population studies that takes an average of everybody. These results often have nothing to do with your particular situation or place. This applies very well to studies that have to do with race. Even if the average shows one group so score slightly higer in some area, it has nothing to do with the particular individual who is in front of you who can be anywhere within the range tested. I think that the fact that men tend to score on both extremes is very telling. If this is true then you might expect that in any particular organization some men will be at the top, and the bottom while the women would tend to fill in the mid level positions more than men. I believe that cognitive studies have shown that men are better able to compartmentalize their thinking which might enable them to perform specialized tasks better and find niches where they can excel at and separate themselves from the main pack. Once again one must always consider the individual in front of you since by random chance you may be working with women who happend to be better at spatial taks and specialized reasoning than men and for the people of a particular race to be more intelligent than the one who on average scores better in population studies.
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Posted By: M. Loeffler @ 01/25/2008 1:37:44 PM
We cannot make up for our ancestor's past mistakes--Nobel Prizes cannot be awarded posthumously. If our modern prize committee had that option, I am sure we would see the number of women on the roster increase significantly. Women cannot make up for the stereotypes men have been taught to accept as fact, nor can men make up for the stereotypes women have been taught to accept, but we can progress forward. Women very recently in geological time were given the right to vote in the US and other countries. Men living in this current age are direct descendents???sometimes only by one generation of people who embodied past stereotypes. Most women of my mother???s generation still chose, or were expected to stay home and raise their husband???s family. If we had potential Nobel Prize winners or specific career geniuses, they never had a chance to develop their skills. Thankfully, this is changing, albeit gradually.
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Posted By: know faith no peace @ 01/25/2008 10:36:25 AM
Being the son of a highly intellegent ,single mother whom through the late 60's and 70's raised me, never accepting welfare and defining her career as one of the best motion picture/ tv dog trainers in the business I think it is an insult to humanity that men are perceived to be more intelligent than women. Religion is the cause of why women have been dominated by the male ego. Within its doctrine, it supresses the female as an inequal to men mentally ,physically, and morally. Women feel that they are not as attractive to men if they are highly intelligent and speak their opinions. Because of the mental strength of the women in my family I as a male am obliged to excell intellectually further than average so as to show that if they can succeed and aspire through this MAN's world that I have no excuse to play dumb. Though im not sure Hillary is the best presidential candidate available at least this country has seen fit to open the door to let women aspire to the most influential and intellectual positions in the world
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Posted By: sharpasatack @ 01/25/2008 1:35:44 PM
What a wonderfully smart man you are. My hat off to you and your mother. I too was inspired by an intelligent parent. My stepfather who I observed working full-time while earning his Master's in Civil Engineering at one of the most prestigious engineering schools graduating at the top of his class. He is an unassuming, kind and generous man who is love by all. I do think you make a good cultural point re: religion. Most religious doctrine has been formed and written by ... men. I echo your other point ... women tend to downplay their intelligence when they have it because it usually scares men off when trying to establish a relationship ... I know from personal experience. I don't downplay mine. I just keep hoping that someday I find a smart secure man like you. And like you, my son who tests very average intelligence on the bell curve seems to excell in school. Why? Because he was inspired by his single mother who went back to school to get her second degree and worked hard and graduated at the top of her class. She taught him how to perceive to acheive. He's quite the young man with a very intact healthy ego who is confident but doesn't feel he has to overinflate his intelligence, worth , or presence in any way. He is unassuming, kind and generous and loved by all who meet him. Thank you for your intelligent insight.
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Posted By: ohno0001 @ 01/25/2008 11:21:16 AM
Men on average are more creative and intelligent than women. I don't need any studies to know this. Mozart, Van Gogh, Einstein, Newton, Plato, Shakespeare, etc...History shows women didn't have the opportunities, but that is just a minor factor. I don't see today's women are the best in Math, Science, Economy, Music, etc...even cooking or fashion. Look at last year's achievements in Medicine, Chemistry, Physics... Men's mind is more creative, artistic, analytic period.
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Posted By: memphis2008 @ 01/25/2008 12:46:16 PM
Here is a list of women who have made many creative and intelligent contributions. (These are only the ones with last names that start with the letter A)
Bella Abzug
Diane Ackerman
Abigail Adams
Jane Addams
Louisa May Alcott
Isabel Allende
Marian Anderson
Maya Angelou
Susan B. Anthony
Nancy Astor
Corazon Aquino
Jane Austen
(I found this information at womenshistory.about.com)
I'd also like to remind you of Elizabeth I and Mother Theresa. Perhaps the reason you have never heard of these women can be explained by the following quote: "If you have any doubts that we live in a society controlled by men, try reading down the index of contributors to a volume of quotations, looking for women's names." - Elaine Gill
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Posted By: Septimus @ 01/25/2008 1:33:43 PM
you mean thats it. thats all that made the list. thats sad
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Posted By: ohno0001 @ 01/25/2008 1:09:47 PM
Nice research memphis, probably took you a while to do this. If you have known those names before, then you wouldn't have to search for such info. But whatever. I have this challenge. Find today's 100 brightest women and have them challenge 100 smartest men in a jeopardy type of show. Imagine all those astrophysists, geneticists, mathematicians, musical composers, computer scientists, Nobel laureates, world leaders, even fashion designers show up on the men side. It will be a no contest.
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Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 12:54:37 PM
Of course women make major contributions. Still doesn't mean men are "not as smart as they think they are".
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Posted By: sharpasatack @ 01/25/2008 1:05:26 PM
Actually, there are several famed women scientists and mathmeticians ... do your homework before you speak
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Posted By: ohno0001 @ 01/25/2008 1:30:23 PM
Check your facts: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/nobelprize_facts.html . Only 34 women won Nobel !!
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Posted By: camFRoun94 @ 01/25/2008 12:17:54 PM
maybe THAT'S because chauvinist pigs still live offf of our "equal" societies
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Posted By: daplane @ 01/25/2008 1:33:18 PM
Im a male, and i think im more smarter than almost all chicks. they dont really think too good, and i yell when tthey make me mad. "you stupid woman dont u know how tomake soup!?:" Then their are women who beat and kill thier babbies. so I ask you: men are more smarter than woman.
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Posted By: Annasusanna @ 01/25/2008 1:27:32 PM
With all the religions and cultures in the world that push the males "inherent superiority" over women, why are you, the author, surprised that women think they are less intellligent?? Then the religions and or cultures that allow the male to kill or abuse the women at any whim of theirs, I would expect the women to bow down to the male. It could mean her life!! We women who allow ourselves to think, already know men and women are on equal footing in the intelligence department. No matter who you are, how smart you are, there is always someone smarter or dumber than you.
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Posted By: sparkgame @ 01/25/2008 1:22:34 PM
I think women are smart. But they are not interested in a lot of things. Many things in this world are interested by men. That's why men do a lot of things. Many of my female friends are not into technical stuff, cosmos, science or sports. Women are more into reality too. That's why most inventors and scientists are men. Men are more playful, lame, come up with nonsense ideas and are more adventurous. A woman will think invent airplane? fly? what nonsense is that, you might fall. But men, like the wright brothers, will be like who cares, let's do it. It's interest and adventurous mentality. But if let's say it's an IQ test, women can do as well as men.
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Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 11:19:59 AM
Adrian Furnham IS a male. He's doing the research. Do you think his life's work is pseudo-scientific? Do you think he hates his own gender?
I don't. As a woman and a psychologist, I do not feel that this article or this area of research is sexist. There ARE differences in how men and women are socialized, and consequently in how they perceive the world and themselves. You cannot deny that. This article is not saying that either men or women are smarter, merely that IN GENERAL, men overestimate their intelligence and woman underestimate theirs. This means it is a trend, not a rule. No one is being degraded or vilified. No one is being put down. In fact, both sexes are at fault, judging from the results of this research. Apparently we universally misperceive ourselves. I believe that is a useful finding, and one that can be applied to all areas of life, regardless of gender.-
Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 11:35:29 AM
I am in complete agreement
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Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 12:30:46 PM
Most men do not understand how there is no such thing as a filter for women's speech and writing. The man who engaged in this study probably does not see the full reality of how sexism against men is spread over the culture like an invisible blanket, simply because society does not have an equal concept of "sexism" for men as it does women. Of course a man engaged in this study. They engage in male-bashing all of the time because they do not have a class like women's studies. Men do not have books for our gender like feminists do. Men have lack of representation, so of course males and females both put men down. After all, it rarely is ever called sexist. Any women posting here can say "I don't feel this is sexist, I'm a psychologist, blah blah blah..." But you're not a man, and your feelings should not dictate ours. I suppose as long as woman does not "feel" something is sexist she has a free pass to say, write and do what she wants toward males.
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Posted By: sharpasatack @ 01/25/2008 1:21:50 PM
I think this forum is showing one thing for sure, that some men get defensive when they PERCEIVE that bashing is going on when indeed it isn't .. sorry, kiddo, but science backs this article up ... male brains are different than female brains and process differently, that is a scientific fact. This article isn't bashing either male or femal intelligence, merely pointing out a difference in our thinking patterns ... thinking patterns have nothing to do with intelligence levels. Some of the dumbest men AND women I know THINK they are smarter than the average bear ... read this article and grow wise ... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050121100142.htm
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Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 12:57:08 PM
Because I have no capacity to see things from more than one perspective, do I? I'm not saying my feelings dictate yours. I'm saying that as an intelligent human being, I don't see how this is biased. I used the word "feel" so as to qualify my statement instead of making a blanket assessment and saying that my opinion is reality.
Also, I'm not sure I understand your point on men engaging in male bashing. You don't have books for your gender, therefore the only alternative is to bash yourselves?
Your gender lacks representation? What do you think all of the history books up until women's studies existed are full of? I don't deny that women's studies have gotten out of hand. But that's what tends to happen when one group has been underrepresented for centuries. (Affirmative action, anyone?)
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Posted By: Alianne09 @ 01/25/2008 1:00:19 PM
People are people, to continue studies such as these that divide us are only hindering our society, and are the founding basis for debates of corrupt fanatic feminism, which in itself is a complete determent to our society.
As a woman I am throughoutly annoyed that we continue to do studies such as these that sets the rift between men and women even deeper. It helps nothing. To differentiate is useless. Women and men possess equal status and to make generalizations about either is not showing support to any man or any real women who possess any self worth. To read a study that makes generalizations about us either good or bad only assissts those women who lack the capacity to obtain their own goals through skill and in effecy seek to blame their own failures and shortcomings on sexism.-
Posted By: afarmboy76 @ 01/25/2008 1:18:44 PM
Alianneo9: "...or any real women who possess any self worth." I guess if you aren't a skilled, goal-setting, forward thinking woman with self-worth you just aren't real.
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Posted By: afarmboy76 @ 01/25/2008 1:14:23 PM
Alianneo9: "...or any real women who possess any self worth." I guess if you aren't a skilled, goal-setting, forward thinking woman with self-worth you just aren't real. If this study changes your level of respect and regard for the men and women around you, you have other issues. Spoken like a true feminist.
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Posted By: Ioulaum @ 01/25/2008 1:13:11 PM
There aren't that many famed women scientists in comparison to famed male scientists.
I'd say that generalizations aren't meaningless, but admittedly, each individual is different, so just from being a woman, you can't say that the person can't be a genius or an idiot.
I do find it interesting here though that they stubbornly say that men and women effectively have the same IQ but just in different areas. I'd say that that is obviously where the difference of perceived intelligence lies. The areas where women tend to be automatically better on average, are just not taken into account as much when judging someone else's intelligence because most of us don't really count them as very useful.
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Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 11:20:54 AM
easybake: The article uses words like 'smarter' 'intelligence' and 'I.Q.' (which I know does not measure intelligence so much as it measures ones understanding of the world around him). Call me bitter, I am, but the male ego stereotype has got to go. Like I said, women have ego's, too. What do you think the article is about? It is called "He's Not as Smart as He Thinks". Anyway, it seems like an easy way out to call a man defending himself against this an "egotist".
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Posted By: easybake @ 01/25/2008 11:28:59 AM
Just because it uses the words Intelligence, smarter, IQ etc.....does not make it about those things. The context of a sentence must be taken in to account to get an actual meaning. This is very funny for me becuase my better half reads the same way, skipping around, reading key words and I do understand that sometimes thats all you have time for or maybe the interest isnt there, like when reading an essay for a class that you hate, but if you are going to comment on something, its a good idea to have a full comprehesion of what was actually written and even better, what was meant. And this is not intended just for you, but for well over half of the respondents to this article. It is amazing how people will respond, when they obviously just scanned the article and not really read it.
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Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 12:15:10 PM
easybake: Easy for you to say, this article puts women up on a pedestal. It doesn't bash your gender. Sure this is about ego not intelligence (though the first two sentences in this article says "Are men smarter than women? No." The other side to that statement is that women are smarter than men). If you want to talk context, lets talk subtleties, too. It uses subtleties to hint that women are superior as do a lot of articles. Want a list? I study Ladie's Home Journal and Cosmo and other sources of female superiority complex. I see more female ego in those magazines than anything men are being accused of in this article. But women don't have silly foolish egos like men so anything a woman accuses us of (being egotistical, being not as smart) is justified AND scientific fact, no less.
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Posted By: sharpasatack @ 01/25/2008 1:12:14 PM
Pedestal? No pedastals in that article ... was very well balanced ... not about ego, merely stated that male ego allows for more confidence in ability and that female ego tends (repeat, tends) to make some of us underestimate our mind power. I'm not one of those. And not because I have a "big" ego, just a healthy one. Perhaps your ego is easily bruised if you read this article as being about ego ...
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Posted By: li7689 @ 01/25/2008 1:08:53 PM
For the moron who made the comment below about Hilary Clinton...
First of all, learn how to write properly! I wouldn't be spouting about male intelligence when you can't even use the correct spelling of "through" (your spelling: threw). Why don't you move out of your mom's basement and go back to school. It's obvious a few english and grammar classes would benefit you greatly.
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Posted By: Septimus @ 01/25/2008 1:11:46 PM
do you people know what speech rec. is- i dont type nothing i speek it types i dont have time to type when the computer does it for me. get over the spelling besides wasnt we talking about something else or did you forget. what a moron u r
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Posted By: Stone_Knowledge @ 01/25/2008 12:58:21 PM
Ok people i appreciate your ideas and concerns but the bottom line is that we need male and female strengths to rule the world. I read someone else comment that the man rules the world. That is true to an extent but without the female contributions it wouldn't have happend. It really dosn't matter who's the smartest because it varies by up bringing and culture. I do agree that male and female people do underestimate or think highly of themseleves but the bottom line the world is good in some parts but we still need more work to do. Man or woman has done a poor job runing this country due to greed. And Septimus what politican hasn't lied to win a postion?! Don't be to critical of Hillary Clinton. And whoever this applies to stop bashing each other by gender but thier abilities!
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Posted By: kimpossibility @ 01/25/2008 1:11:08 PM
You are correct. I could add a humorous comment though: The saying that the man is the "head" of the family but the woman is the "neck" and the "neck" turns the "head" in what ever direction it wants the "head" to go. Women have a great deal of power and always have- -however it has not always been obvious (or the same as men's) throughout the ages.
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Posted By: tori_momof5 @ 01/25/2008 9:40:20 AM
I think the perceived intelligence for a man is greater because he is often backed by an intelligent, loving wife, mom or girlfriend who believes in him and encourages him to reach further and higher than he has ever reached, who helps him set goals and accomplish them. Women often do not have such encouragement; those who attain lofty goals do so by self motivated willpower. The question is why are men so intimidated by the success of women that they cannot reciprocate the encouragement they receive?
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Posted By: Debbie Too @ 01/25/2008 1:10:11 PM
Right on lexylou !!!!!
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