He's Not as Smart as He Thinks

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  • Posted By: short&sweet @ 01/25/2008 1:08:00 PM

    For those of us who work in a mainly male environment we are quite aware that the male ego is over-inflated and has litle to do with intelligence. In fact it seems the less intelligence, the greater the ego. As a Native American I have had to deal with this most of my working life, and I refuse to walk two steps behind anyone. So I have developed a personal strategy of making sure I have documented backup when I present a view or proposal to my higher-ups. In that way there I do not have to stroke the male ego because my ducks are in a row and I have that well known part of me covered. There is no comeback and I can walk out with my head high and my self esteem intact. knowing I have made my point and found a way around that "male ego".

  • Posted By: kimpossibility @ 01/25/2008 1:05:16 PM

    This is silly:) I come from a family of four children. My mother is MUCH smarter than my father in terms of book knowledge and education. However, my father is a mechanical genius who knows how to read people- -despite the fact he is an atrocious speller. The results: One son- -phd candidate in nanotechnology_who has had his own business and is currently a professor. One daughter who has a Bachelor's degree, (but is lacking on the social skills) and works in child protective services, another son who is the apple of both parent's' eye and has no college education but is an industrial mechanic for large machinery. Then there's me...Masters in International Business, with emotional IQ, and personality enough for the entire rest of my family. The point is: everyone is different. Generationally, by gender, by culture, and even by family, it is not realistic to generalize. The actions of the human brain and body, while often conditioned by early life, are still voluntary. Making excuses for the ego- -or lack thereof- -is a poor way to categorize intelligence.

  • Posted By: vrbean @ 01/25/2008 12:41:46 PM

    More men bashing by a women - when is it going to stop? It is bad enough to see it in commercials and now to see it being promoted as a scientific study is a bit much. Women would never stand for women bashing but they all engage in men bashing. No wonder our divorce rates are so high and our children suffer from trying to find security in broken homes. What ever happened to the concept of nurturing a loving stable home by loving nurturing women? I guess the women's movement has succeeded, which explains why so many women take pride in being a "***" now, which I assume means they think they are smarter than men. and not just equal.

    • Posted By: sharpasatack @ 01/25/2008 12:59:21 PM

      We don't all bash men ... some of us rather enjoy them and don't care how smart/unsmart they are because we see their other wonderful qualities ....

      • Posted By: Septimus @ 01/25/2008 1:05:03 PM

        Sharp That was so sweet. only if the whole world felt like this

    • Posted By: memphis2008 @ 01/25/2008 12:47:18 PM

      Bitter about something/someone?

      • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 12:58:33 PM

        Women who post here can use the word bitter all they want, they can also make as many character assassinations as they please. it still does not prove that "men are not as smart as they think they are".

  • Posted By: HuffInPuff @ 01/25/2008 11:26:07 AM

    Don't worry fellas this is a bogus study. I am into psychology and this study isn't consistant with others. Unfortunately a lot of studies like this are funded by social special interest groups (even in universities), and if they are not happy with the results, the funding is pulled, so there is a lot of bias in these studies. I must also admit since psychology is not an exact science there is a lot of bias in the field in general. Newsweek should really know better, but I think this article has a purpose. This is an election year, and this article is does have a theme. It's basically telling women they shouldn't trust the confidence of a man as a leader (Obama, GOP maybe?), but science says they should trust a woman (vote Hillary?). It's hard for me believe they don't consider these things when they publish articles. This article does have a male bashing tone to it, and publishing it like this is kind of a jerk thing to do. I am sure if the table was turned, feminists would be on prime time news or Oprah accusing Newsweek of sexism. Thatis my take.

    • Posted By: sharpasatack @ 01/25/2008 1:04:00 PM

      You may be "into" psychology but you are no psychologist ... or even that smart if you also think this is a Hilary/Obama based article ....

    • Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 12:24:19 PM

      I would just like to point out that this is technically an interview, not just an "article." Most of the words are the researcher's, not the writer's. I really doubt Newsweek or its columnists are spreading political propaganda for the upcoming elections. Also, you don't know if this particular researcher is biased. In all likelihood he's simply a scientist objectively reporting his findings. To demolish the entire field of psychology by saying it's all special interest funded and inexact makes you an egomaniac. If you're simply "into psychology" and are neither a psychology student nor hold a degree of any kind, you have no right to comment on the worth of the entire field. It is because of people like you that psychologists have a hard time getting their work into the public domain and an even harder time getting the public to even legitimately consider it, let alone accept it.
      However, if you honestly feel this way about psychology and its research, then I suggest that you take your vendetta up against the scientific community and see how that goes.

  • Posted By: crag @ 01/25/2008 12:56:11 PM

    Boys are not performing as well in school because all they can do ages 12-100 is check out girls. Men and women have an equal capacity for intelligence. But, let's face it. Men are better at some things and others Women are better. There are reasons gender roles exist. Don't ask me to pick out matching outfits and I won't ask you to dig a ditch. But, I think we're both capable of doing the dishes. Get over it and enjoy having leverage.

    • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 1:02:00 PM

      Stereotyping boys as being pigs is not going to help the fact that the feminized school system marginalizes boys.

  • Posted By: Alianne09 @ 01/25/2008 12:51:31 PM

    people are people, to continue to show the differences between genders is only creating useless controversy. Both men and women can succeed and to continue to dwell on meanial studies such as this only further sets the rift between the us, and creates frail basses for fanatic feminism that is only a determent to society.
    As a women I feel throughoutly annoyed that we continue to study the differences between the genders. We are both capable of the same things, We should not continue to look at the differences, rather what we have accomplished as a whole. These types studies are creating useless debate, they are not needed.

    • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 12:55:04 PM

      Thank you!

      • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 1:01:55 PM

        I agree too. Mensawareness and I agree on something. :)

  • Posted By: HuffInPuff @ 01/25/2008 11:14:28 AM

    Don't worry guys this is just one of those bogus studies. I am really into psychology and this isn't consistant with other results. Studies like this get funded by social special interest groups (even in universities). Unfortunately if the financial contributers are not happy with the results of the study, the funding is pulled, therefore there ends up being a lot of bias. Actually there is a lot of bias in the field of psychology in general because it isn't an exact science. Much of it is based on opinion then actual fact. Anyway I think Newsweek should know better but I think they published this for a purpose. It is an election year and Newsweek does favor Hillary Clinton. I think the purpose of this article is to help condition women into thinking you shouldn't trust a man's confidence as a leader (Obama or GOP), but you should trust a womans (vote Hillary). That is my take. For how they did it, it's kind of a jerky thing to do. It is quite a male bashing job.

    • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 1:00:29 PM

      Huffinpuff i hope your not right about your comment, because although i think women are capable i still would not vote for Hillary some things i wouldnt trust a woman with and one is running the United States of America although most of our latest male presidents are not good, not since President Kennedy and President Reagan. It sure is a delema which way to turn and or to make sure we make the right choice. Good luck to all of us and lets hope for the best.

  • Posted By: Stone_Knowledge @ 01/25/2008 12:56:44 PM

    Ok people i appreciate your ideas and concerns but the bottom line is that we need male and female strengths to rule the world. I read someone else comment that the man rules the world. That is true to an extent but without the female contributions it wouldn't have happend. It really dosn't matter who's the smartest because it varies by up bringing and culture. I do agree that male and female people do underestimate or think highly of themseleves but the bottom line the world is good in some parts but we still need more work to do. Man or woman has done a poor job runing this country due to greed. And Septimus what politican hasn't lied to win a postion?! Don't be to critical of Hillary Clinton. And whoever this applies to stop bashing each other by gender but thier abilities!

    • Posted By: Septimus @ 01/25/2008 1:00:05 PM

      unlike the other guy in this post i agree with what your saying. but the guy or women in this art. should try a little harder when researching before making any comments

  • Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 12:33:42 PM

    How can so many commenters have IQ scores of 150 or above when just 130+ is the "gifted" range? Does Newsweek's fan base really lie that far to the right of the bell curve? I'd like to know what IQ tests you've all been taking. (I do not say this mockingly, I'd honestly like to know where these numbers are coming from. I'm just curious about IQ tests in general.)

    • Posted By: bio ms @ 01/25/2008 12:59:06 PM

      That is a good point. Different tests are designed differently and will yield differing results, rendering wildly disparate results. Also results on the same exact test will vary depending on many other factors, such as: amount of sleep you got the night before, how much food you have in your stomach, blood sugar levels, what else you may have on your mind, temperature of the room, etc etc.
      I come from a family that exhibits a great deal of hubris regarding our high IQ test scores. As a young person I fell into that trap as well of thinking that my worth as a person was measured by my score on a test. I took a number of these tests to validate my self-worth. It was addiciting, one score being better than the next and made me feel great about myself. In the end it was simply a good experiment that demonstrated the fact that it is not neccesarily a valuable thing to measure/ know. My "point spread" across different tests and different times was a difference of nearly 50 points. However, none of them really measured my true worth - the content of my character (thank you MLK Jr) and my contributions to making the world a better place.

      As a more mature (at least chronologically!) person, I would far rather be judged on the content of my character and the true impact that I have had on this planet and on those around me, than how I scored on some silly test. IQ does not equal wisdom.

  • Posted By: chantaey @ 01/25/2008 12:58:39 PM

    "Rather, I think it should be that increased performance and feedback on the causes of that performance, ability or effort raises self-esteem. "
    What did he just say?????
    He is obviously so desperate to let the errors of perceived intelligence that benefit men continue that he drawsback so severly that he stoops to levels of sounding completely unintelligible which is what sexism and all forms of oppression do to the minds on either side. He basically said let the girls wait and hope on outside approval and work for it to feed their self-esteem from the opinions of others instead of knowing and accepting the truth of themselves intrinsically. He would never advocate that for the men as he offered no remedy for their false puffed up perceptions of themselves. He was suspicious and careful to indicate there must be a cause or effort for good performance before just natural ability in females. His motive for this "research" may have been to validate biases or soothe his own fears based on his seeming lack of balance. Also, it sounds like in the case of family perceptions, the use of the word "wiser" as opposed to "smarter" would have been more accurate in that the emotionalism that can come from being the family nurturer is often perceived as a less wise choice than passive, inactive parenting that prefers ambitious and mostly seflish pursuits.

  • Posted By: Zyrath24 @ 01/25/2008 12:32:59 PM

    Overall, some of this does indeed make sense, but intelligence is comprised of multiple factors which one test cannot accurately evaluate. Men and women also think differently due to the ways in which our minds are wired. The key term here is perceive, which means the way in which you see yourself. I'll agree men do tend to overexaggerate themselves, but so do women. The fact of the matter is that we're human. Each and everyone one of is unique. We all have different strengths and weakness. To quote LoveMyMan; "We (men and women) are designed to complement one another." That is one statement I couldn't agree with more.

    • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 12:56:57 PM

      I agree. The article wasn't saying ALL men perceive themselves in a higher light and are egotistical, or ALL women are humble. It was saying that the tendency or trend is for men to perceive their IQ as more than it is, and that women tend to perceive their IQ as less.

  • Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 11:30:11 AM

    Adrian Furnham IS a male. He's the one doing the research. Is he sexist? Is his life's work pseudo-scientific? I don't think so.
    As a woman and a psychologist (who is not a feminist!), I have to disagree with everyone who is writing this article off as bogus and bias. No one anywhere in this article said that one sex was better than the other. No one said one sex is smarter. No one said one sex is more negative than the other. There were no fingers being pointed here, and if anyone feels there were, maybe the problem lies in their own minds.
    This article is about perception, not reality. It is simply saying that men tend to overestimate their intelligence while women tend to underestimate theirs. TEND TO. As in a trend, not a rule. No one is telling YOU personally that you suffer from either hubris or humility.
    And since this article is about perception, I think it raises an interesting point. Both sexes are at fault here: neither is accurately picking up on the truth of the matter, which is that we are more similar than we think. That is not a negative finding, it is not a feminist finding. It is simply letting us know that in this area, we universally, regardless of gender, misperceive ourselves and the world around us. If THAT is what we can take from this study instead of arguing over its validity and reliability or the writer's bias, we could learn a little something about life in general. Misperception occurs in all areas of life, and the sooner we can identify it, the sooner we can start treating each other rationally and humanely and creating a better world.

    • Posted By: sharpasatack @ 01/25/2008 12:54:29 PM

      finally .. an "intelligent" comment ...

  • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 01/25/2008 12:42:32 PM

    If someone is a transexual, are they smarter than themself?

  • Posted By: vrbean @ 01/25/2008 12:40:23 PM

    More men bashing by a women - when is it going to stop? It is bad enough to see it in commercials and now to see it being promoted as a scientific study is a bit much. Women would never stand for women bashing but they all engage in men bashing. No wonder our divorce rates are so high and our children suffer from trying to find security in broken homes. What ever happened to the concept of nurturing a loving stable home by loving nurturing women? I guess the women's movement has succeeded, which explains why so many women take pride in being a "***" now, which I assume means they think they are smarter than men. and not just equal.

    • Posted By: cogitoergosum @ 01/25/2008 12:44:01 PM

      Divorce rates and childhood insecurity are both the fault of women? Huh...Had I only known that when my parents were divorced, I might have learned to hate my mother instead of having to develop a mature, loving relationship with her. Gosh, I sure missed out. Thanks vrbean.

  • Posted By: ombrahma @ 01/25/2008 12:40:24 PM

    The Hindu Pundits of India had known thousands of years ago the current research that you have reported. Therefore, every form of women is worshipped as a diety in Hinduism. A woman can use her superior emotional strength (and emotional IQ) combined with superior intellectual IQ to punch a devastating hole in men's peace of mind, mostly by the dreaded silent treatment. It stirs up all the male insecurities. During that period, a man feels women are so invincible, mighty and powerful. The men feel helpless, which inspired men to depict a woman as Kali (please view it by googling it), a diety they worship. Women in India behave like Goddesses. They enjoy the labor of their men while staying behind at home, and controlling every aspect of the family and social life. Those who did not grow up in India think that women are helpless. What do they know?

  • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 11:05:21 AM

    beniceyall says this article is not about how women are smarter but yes it is, read the title. Also beniceyall says men die more and are awarded more Darwin awards. This is because it is much more natural for men to take risks that women usually do not take. Not because men are stupid. The Darwin awards are a joke, not a justification for the media to continuously bash males and put females on a pedestal. Lastly, I do not thing one gender or race or anything is smarter than the other, I just think that men these days are treated like black people were in the 60's. We can be called not as smart as women, rapists, woman-beaters, perverts, pedophiles. Men take the blame and are exploited. Our sexuality is vilified and our intelligence is degraded, usualy by women who are "experts". No one would ever say or write half of the things about women that western society says and writes about men, just out of respect.

    • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 11:34:46 AM

      It seems funny that mensawareness is quick to refute that men are not stupid, but does not refute the other side of the bell curve. Seems conveniently selective to me. The title "He's Not as Smart as He Thinks", says nothing of how smart a man is, but rather his opinion of it.

      • Posted By: mensawareness @ 01/25/2008 12:16:31 PM

        The first line in the article is "Are men smarter than women? No." The other side to that statement is that women are smarter than men.

        • Posted By: beniceyall @ 01/25/2008 12:40:14 PM

          The article isn't trying to state men or women are smarter than one another. The statement "Are men smarter than women? No." is designed as part of a larger argument of the article that men and women are equal as far as IQ. "Although [men and women] are on average the same, the people at the very top and the very bottom of the IQ bell curve are more likely to be men. That is a pattern that we see in the university setting, with men either being at the very top of the class or at the bottom." Again I will say this article was not trying to say whether women or men are smarter, but is about our "PERCEIVED intelligence."

  • Posted By: Wiseacre33 @ 01/25/2008 12:38:31 PM

    Dragonflyer04 -- if your IQ is over 150, why do you confuse "a lot" with "allot"? Is English your fourth language? Men brag and lie.

  • Posted By: gailmarie777 @ 01/25/2008 12:35:31 PM

    I test incoming students at my local technical college and I for one can tell you that women outnumber men in higher test scores on the COMPASS test. Also, the "men" that come in here, have the hardest time not looking around to see what is going on instead of taking the time to do the tests correctly. This is fact, not fiction and I know because I am in it everyday as testing administrator. The guys slouch in the chairs, try to look cool, etc. Now this does not apply to all the male testers, but there are more of these kinds than female testers.

  • Posted By: bbflute2@msn.com @ 01/25/2008 12:34:28 PM

    Septimus's statements validate the article.

  • Posted By: bbflute2@msn.com @ 01/25/2008 12:34:02 PM

    Septimus's statements speak volumes about the intelligence of men.

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