He's Not as Smart as He Thinks

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  • Posted By: Geminate @ 01/24/2008 6:25:09 PM

    My IQ is 184, so it is impossible for me to relate to this story. I find most people believe that they are more intelligent than they really are. When tested they fall way short of their presumed IQ. Most people are 40% less intelligent than they think they are. Women usually have a social IQ higher than men. Men are usually more mathematically inclined than women. Men have always been most willing to do the dirty and difficult work in building a society, and that is why they remain superior, as it should be. Without women though, men would not have even bothered to leave their caves, for something better, more refined, more supportive. Women make the work purposeful and worth the effort.

    • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 01/25/2008 10:12:48 AM

      Your comment is more in line with a person who's IQ is 84, not 184. Men have achieved dominance in over women largely due to their physical strength and their willingness to use brutality to acheive that dominion. Male-dominated societies, in an effort to secure their hold, then prevent women from participating in the "difficult work of building a society," by denying them equal access to everything from education to political power. At one time, having a mate that was stronger and more brutish than the competing men in his tribe was necessary for the survival of a woman and her offspring. Men needed women who were fertile breeders that could succesfully care for offspring. That's it. Period.

      Mysogeny still runs deep today, and has become ingrained in both men and women, which no doubt helps to explain the continued misperception in male intellectual superiority. That and the weakness of the male ego, which must constantly be coaxed and reassured.

      Fortunately, there is some hope that this anchronous cultural bias will eventually go the same way as the medical practice of bleeding demons out of the afflicted patient's veins. It's just about as useful. Once done, men and women will be free to find mates that enrich each other and themselves. Men won't have to use bluster and bravado to prove they are smarter than they are, and women won't have to stifle their intelligence.

      As a woman of above average intelligence, I've been confounded most of my life by men who are threatened by that fact. But presenting a false "silly girl" facade just to secure a mate has never been an acceptable option for me. Fortunately, there are men out there who not only accept, but celibrate a woman of high intelligence.

      Are men superior? Of course not. Are they inferior? Of course not. And the same is true for women. Any one who believes otherwise is a fool.



      Men never have been
      Men have never been, nor will they ever be superior.

    • Posted By: iselmon @ 01/24/2008 6:43:44 PM

      Judging by your comments, I find your claimed IQ questionable. Before physical augmentation by electricity and the internal combustion engine, brute strength was necessary to achieve domination. Men are stronger than women, making it the strongest men generally in charge. Also, women were, and frequently still are, the primary caregivers of young children, who require an enormous amount of attention. This will generally preclude the form running things.

  • Posted By: Maria57 @ 01/25/2008 10:11:56 AM

    well i dont want to brag but sometimes i can outdo some men, like the article men have larger egos than abilities. I am a very independent woman, raised my four children alone, i can repair my home, car, do yard work, trim trees and yes even fix cars/trucks, and to find another man after my husband died is so very difficult cause none can do better than i can, and frustration sits in, and the i give up takes over- and as you can see i spell good oh and i fix computer too. :o)

  • Posted By: robm @ 01/25/2008 9:57:20 AM

    Many men (these days) can???t even change a light bulb!! But are we talking book smart or technology smart?
    Problem with these IQ tests are they are based on book smart.
    Answer these questions. Is your mechanic, electrician, telephone repair, computer repair, appliance repair, house builder, furnace repair, ect, ect, ect, ect. a man or woman ?????????
    Why is this????
    My wife is a better speller than me, and better at many other things than I am.
    But she would never work on her car, ect, ect.
    We are wired differently (Thankfully)
    On a standard IQ test I am sure my wife would beat me hands down. Because that IQ test does not take into account my background knowledge and experiences in Electronics, Computer Repair, Computer Programming, Electrical, Plumbing, Automotive Repair, and House Building. I have a degree in Industrial Controls Programming. And I know she would get a higher IQ score than I would. She is hands down better at the type of questions found on a standard IQ test.


  • Posted By: DewceGT @ 01/25/2008 9:52:18 AM

    This study wasn't taken to bash women over men, it wasn't even to try to show how much better men are than women. it was a simple study to tell us that men tend to say they have a higher IQ. which in the study proved to be true, not by much, but true still. It wasn't testing the willpower and encouragement of either gender. It has nothing to do with men vs. women.

  • Posted By: lexylu @ 01/25/2008 9:41:35 AM

    wow, anyone who thinks this study is a waste of time is a chauvenist, (some of you guys probably don't know what the word means...cause you're so bright) if a study came out that could potentially improve the lives of men you would think it worthwhile, but when it could potentially improve the lives of women, you think its a waste of time,how cruel, primitive and inconsiderate of you all...as for the dude who commented that men have "done it all" ,as in made most of the achievements through history, that's probably because women were not allowed to!!! I mean seriously, go take a history class! Talk about proving the study right!!!

  • Posted By: KJ12345678 @ 01/25/2008 9:33:41 AM

    Our survival instinct makes us obey the role models presented to us in order to keep us acceptable to our social group. www.schematherapy.com

  • Posted By: gwhanson @ 01/25/2008 9:10:07 AM

    I believe that the perception that men are smarter than women comes from "life" situations, including the home. I a mature male and women's advocate who knows full well that women are as intelligent as men, but put them in a real life situation and you will find them espousing contradictory pursuits, and thus appearing to everyone as irrational, including their children. Most women will acknowledge the usefulness of having a man around to direct them. And if fact many will acknowledge that they don't want to make the decisions, that it is a relief for them to let the man do it. When women are forced into these roles though, they do an excellent job, many time more impressive than men, but I believe that this almost universal tendency for women to let the men do the thinking and provide guidance, and women's shallow thinking and contradictory desires, has led just about everyone, men and women, to believe that in real life, men are smarter.

    • Posted By: Debi_B @ 01/25/2008 9:23:20 AM

      You've got to be kidding, right? I never have nor will I ever need or want a man to "guide" me. That is without a doubt the most absurd thing I have ever heard. I am my man's partner, his equal. I am not a child.

  • Posted By: Korea123 @ 01/25/2008 9:19:33 AM

    My idea of the problem stems from the truth that boys and girls ARE reared to be "different" people and that a growing number of current child bearing age parents are having babies not knowing how to traverse this world themselves. Thus sustaining ignorance and folly. Boys must be brash, hearty and inpregnable. Girls are to be understanding, quiet and pretty. Although I refuse to believe people are doing this purposefully, it is none the less one of many truths. As the author points out reguarding this issue... how do you fix a problem if I'm really just a stupid male who thinks they are wise and knowledgeable. Who takes my comment seriously now?

  • Posted By: blurave3983 @ 01/25/2008 9:17:40 AM

    Wow, "boundtobond" so perfectly illustrates the finding in the research that men are more likely to be at the very bottom of the IQ curve. Maybe if he had been using his brain instead of watching football, grunting, scratching his genitals, perusing pornography, "pimping" out his car, neglecting his children, and obsessing about meathead athletes perhaps he would be perceived as marginally intelligent.

    Men who want to be thought of as intelligent should not obsess about putting down women. Grow a pair!

    "Posted By: boundtobond @ 01/25/2008 8:54:02 AM
    Comment: Well, I imagine if women used their brains more and spent less time not using their brains -- mindless tasks -- their wouldn't be an argument. All that makeup, shaving, shopping, outfit coordinating, chatting with toddlers and obsessing with celebraties....hmmmm. Women who don't want to be treated as sexual objects should not obsess with being sexy. Come on girls."

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 01/24/2008 10:49:04 AM

    FACE FACTS GUYS WOMEN WILL ALWAYS BE SMARTER FOR ONE TRUE REASON! MEN TRY TO THINK WITH TWO HEADS, AND THE LITTLE ONE, IS THE ONE WE LISTEN TO MOST OF THE TIME!

    • Posted By: afsmike @ 01/25/2008 9:10:57 AM

      looks like the pinkpanther has *** envy, can't seem to find the caps lock button,eh? this discusion is pointless, if both sexes would respect each other for their differences, we would all be smarter. each sex compliments the other--that is why we are so much smarter together. marie curie had a partner--a man, and most of the great inventors had a wife, don't you think that despite all of the fan-fare of the mans discovery, that, he was confiding with his wife? don't you think that he revealed his successes with his partner?don't you think that , it was her support that helped to make him what he is?TURN THE CAPS BUTTON OFF! by the way, that little head that i have, and i, have had a lot of fun together, can you say that about yours?

  • Posted By: evh5150 @ 01/25/2008 9:00:32 AM

    Who funds studies like this? This may be the biggest waste of time and resources ever spent. What good can possibly come from this study?

    Let's take all this effert and resources and concentrate them on something that may benefit the world...how about finding a revolutionary alternative energy source to oil.

  • Posted By: stone5150 @ 01/25/2008 8:56:24 AM

    YAY!
    More ammo for the people that love to portray father figures and male role model as simple minded jackasses.

  • Posted By: boundtobond @ 01/25/2008 8:54:02 AM

    Well, I imagine if women used their brains more and spent less time not using their brains -- mindless tasks -- their wouldn't be an argument. All that makeup, shaving, shopping, outfit coordinating, chatting with toddlers and obsessing with celebraties....hmmmm. Women who don't want to be treated as sexual objects should not obsess with being sexy. Come on girls.

  • Posted By: izzy2007 @ 01/25/2008 8:51:34 AM

    Opinion: due to expectations of most civilizations (NOT ALL) that women were caretakers of children and the agriculture/herbal tenders while the male physical strength was utilized for hunting larger game and war, it occurs to me that men had to develop a separate social culture and interpersonal relations communication that would emphasize the need to be 'confident', encourage 'boasting' (of the "big" catch) to enforce the perception (by others) of great strength. This 'strength' eventually became equated, physically or mentally as societal needs and roles changed. Women, on the other had, required the passivity roles as primary child tenders, as well as for tending to the herbal/medicinal/agricultural needs within the homes. The social structure of those 'left behind' during war or long hunts (including seafaring) --- had to change. For example, becoming fixed in an agricultural location, the fears of unity during natural disaster would be addressed. The need to understand unity through spirituality had to be addressed. Without brute physical strength, the teamwork development through encouraging strength amongst the crowd (rather than boasting of one's own, per se) needed to be developed (especially as child tenders). The constant worry of loss of the partner would bond in a much more humble and passive manner, as well as the obvious status of the lack of physical strength vs. that partner--- so the subjects of discussion would have to be about what the 'other' is capable of, rather than what 'she' can do personally. The results of organized religion over the last few millenia only emphasized these traits, eventually even placing the 'male' figure as the dominant in nearly all 'modern' faiths.
    In my opinion, these are a few factors that eventually resulted in evolved traits over the last 8000 yrs or so, that bled in social perceptions. Thus, women would score higher on emotional intelligence, and women would be less likely to inflate their own abilities, while men were encouraged to inflate their abilities to 'find their rank' in societal positions. What I find interesting about the recent feminist movements of the last century is the publicity allowed for larger organized voices. However, in history, there was always the 'strong' and intelligent woman figure, in various queens, religious icons, wars (Matilda of Tuscany, Boadicea, etc.). In niche societies that are not as influenced by modern religion, the defined strong female may also be recognized for high intelligence (above others) and some still have reputations for being more cunning hunters than their male counterparts! ..... remember also, that some 'smart' women have found it advantageous to be extremely secretive about their abilities for the sake of being 'cunning'.... :-)

  • Posted By: izzy2007 @ 01/25/2008 8:49:35 AM

    Opinion: due to expectations of most civilizations (NOT ALL) that women were caretakers of children and the agriculture/herbal tenders while the male physical strength was utilized for hunting larger game and war, it occurs to me that men had to develop a separate social culture and interpersonal relations communication that would emphasize the need to be 'confident', encourage 'boasting' (of the "big" catch) to enforce the perception (by others) of great strength. This 'strength' eventually became equated, physically or mentally as societal needs and roles changed. Women, on the other had, required the passivity roles as primary child tenders, as well as for tending to the herbal/medicinal/agricultural needs within the homes. The social structure of those 'left behind' during war or long hunts (including seafaring) --- had to change. For example, becoming fixed in an agricultural location, the fears of unity during natural disaster would be addressed. The need to understand unity through spirituality had to be addressed. Without brute physical strength, the teamwork development through encouraging strength amongst the crowd (rather than boasting of one's own, per se) needed to be developed (especially as child tenders). The constant worry of loss of the partner would bond in a much more humble and passive manner, as well as the obvious status of the lack of physical strength vs. that partner--- so the subjects of discussion would have to be about what the 'other' is capable of, rather than what 'she' can do personally. The results of organized religion over the last few millenia only emphasized these traits, eventually even placing the 'male' figure as the dominant in nearly all 'modern' faiths.
    In my opinion, these are a few factors that eventually resulted in evolved traits over the last 8000 yrs or so, that bled in social perceptions. Thus, women would score higher on emotional intelligence, and women would be less likely to inflate their own abilities, while men were encouraged to inflate their abilities to 'find their rank' in societal positions. What I find interesting about the recent feminist movements of the last century is the publicity allowed for larger organized voices. However, in history, there was always the 'strong' and intelligent woman figure, in various queens, religious icons, wars (Matilda of Tuscany, Boadicea, etc.). In niche societies that are not as influenced by modern religion, the defined strong female may also be recognized for high intelligence (above others) and some still have reputations for being more cunning hunters than their male counterparts!

  • Posted By: annaoverby @ 01/25/2008 8:30:16 AM

    For every man and woman who has rendered Feminist studies useless; this is concrete evidence that much more gender studies needs to be done. Our perceptions of men and women are carried accross the world. This study combines both statistics and psychology, demonstrating how women get raised/ treated/ or are perceived internationally, regardless of race and origin. - So whomever posted the comment that white men are discriminated against the most, should see what race Larry Summers from Harvard is (dumbass)

  • Posted By: dongolada @ 01/25/2008 8:30:11 AM

    I think that the editor of this article is bleeding through the wound. Seem to me that she had a bad experience related to this subject.

  • Posted By: Medge @ 01/24/2008 8:44:21 AM

    The belief the men are more intelligent than women was developed from the difference in roles they played in society. Men were traditionally the hunters and defenders of the tribe, because of physical strength. The role women played was more passive. In time this was confused with intelligence. Fortunatelhy, the roles are becoming more even now. It was just a matter of recognition.

    • Posted By: HistMaj101 @ 01/25/2008 8:25:52 AM

      Actually your statement is quite untrue. In the beginnings of civilization, women were also hunter/gatherers because everybody moved around. The idea that men were superior at that time is an incorrect one. In fact, there was more equality when people were hunter/gatherers. As civilizations formed, women started to take a more passive role because brute strength was needed to protect the civilizations.

  • Posted By: annaoverby @ 01/25/2008 8:22:38 AM

    For every man, who thinks that Feminist studies is in ways stupid or have rendered it usless; this is concrete evidence, connecting statistics and psychology, that our world imputes ideas on both men and women, and women still end up on the bottom.

  • Posted By: impartialobserver @ 01/24/2008 10:24:24 PM

    Just goes to show how much propaganda and nonsense the media preaches, and how stupid we all are, that women aren't even aware of their capabilities, we're so underestimated and objectified. Most unfortunate. Women are still mostly judged on their physical appearance, which sucks because so many are going for plastic surgeries and what not. Nobody's smarter here: men and women are equal, EQUAL, BUT with our own sets of strengths and weaknesses. And even those are more individually spread, rather than distributed according to gender. Feminism is something every female should be aware of, and she should study its philosophy, because a feminist is not a man-hater, she just wants to find out why everything is so unbalanced today. It helps a woman to be more fully herself. Unfortunately, the media, AGAIN, has made it so uncool that even women shy away from it.

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