So frogster you think having conversations about tmz or extra or one of those silly shows makes you intelligent? Please, I don't care if you went to the mall, or you bought a cute outfit, that's nonsense to me.
So frogster you think having conversations about tmz or extra or one of those silly shows makes you intelligent? Please, I don't care if you went to the mall, or you bought a cute outfit, that's nonsense to me.
Frogster almost makes a salient point - one can talk about current events, or politics, and still say absolutely nothing of value or insight. Important topics can be discussed by stupid people - they're just discussed stupidly. Additionally (though it's less likely) one can discuss celebrities and make intelligent observations about human nature, the chimerical value of fame, and what it is in people that makes so many of them fascinated by the minutia of the lives of people whose worth in the larger human scheme is all but nil.
why is alright for women to post this type of article or research, but could you imagine if a man had written a study about another man doing research proven that men are better at everything? this article does nothing to prove that women are smarter, but only to prove that men are less average. i think this is bullshit. women are sexist.
I feel fairly sure that you're not commenting on the same article the rest of us are.
Women are equal, there's a distinct difference between us, but equal none the less, besides i would bet serious money that a women with an IQ of 80, who is physically superior, ( BOMBSHELL,HOTTIE) will go much further in the world, than your "Joe bookworm" with an IQ of 140-150!
Go much further toward what?
Overall I think this is a very well written article. However, what is confusing to me is why women are credited with having more emotional intelligence than men. Generally it seems to me that women over analyze how they feel, which doesn't constitute more intelligence, it just means they worry more.
It sounds as if you assume the way you're doing it is the correct way. Is it at all possible that you (and even men in general) underanalyze? Something to consider.
Baloney. Please stop eroding our girls' confidence in school. I am a former science teacher with an honors science degree, and there is a definite confidence gap in boys and girls in schools. I would not let my daughter read an article that calls her less intelligent based on her being a girl, nor would I perpetuate this naysaying in my own classroom. Best regards, sir.
Reading comprehension, ma'am. The article does not say females are less intelligent than males.
This is such a stupid argument! Of course only a woman would write this because they have some sort of inferiority complex. It's scientific FACT that men and women use different sides of their brain more than the other. Men are better at maths and sciences (the logical part); Women are better at skills like writing and communication (the creative part).They compliment each other. But since this lovely lady decided to stir the pot... When you ladies can build cities, nations, engineer anything, and invent everything for the next 6000 years of written history. We'll gladly pass the torch. Mike, Chicago.
We can. But I can guarantee that you and other men aren't going to enjoy being in the position women were kept in for most of the last 6000 years. Property rights? Nope. Reproductive freedom? Sorry. Legal rights? Try again later. Right to attend institutions of higher learning? Forget it. Right to get a job in any field that's open to the other sex? Scratch that one. Right to decide where or how to live, or what to do with your own sexuality, your own body? Outta luck, pal.
No. You're not going to enjoy trading places at all.
Why bother with trying to learn facts about peoples' perception of their own abilities and why they perceive them that way when it doesn't mean anything other than you think you can or you think you can't. The facts, accurate or not, just don't change anything. Thousands of years of human history and cultures and the upbringing and the Holy Scriptures being taught that men are the "man of the house" and other such teachings are going to have an impact on the way we think we are in whatever area of life regardless of test scores, IQ, or other methods of scoring ones capabilities. God made Adam, then Eve, to help him and be his companion in life. The apostle Paul stated than women are not allowed to speak in church, that it is shameful, and any questions should be asked later, at home, not in the church. That would indicated that, for all areas of life, than God intended men to be above women for whatever reasons which may or may not seem justified, they are there notheless and it stands to reason that the Amish have it right. Get over the whole Gender War already. It doesn't even matter who is or is not smarter or whether they think they are or not. Men are men and women are women and whatever one man or woman thinks of themselves or others is only an opinion that cannot truly prove anything other than the fact that everyone one has an opinion and the fact that they even have opinions suggest intelligence to some extent and that is usualy enough. If you have a job and can do the job, you don't need to be more intelligent than the job requires. If you want a job, you either can or cannot do it. If you think you can and can't, you won't be able to. If you think you can, and are forced to do it because you need the money, and find that you can do it and was wrong in thinking you couldn't do it, then you know that you were wrong in thinking you couldn't do it. But this applies to one thing you tried to do, and does not necessarily indicate future success or failure at anything. Every task performed is different and one may or may not think they can do it and even if they think they can, they may or may not able able to. It comes down to whether you are willing to try it or not that really matters, not what you THINK you can do. It doesn't matter what you think you can do if you don't try it, you will not know one way or the other. This type of research, in my opinion, is just someone's way of trying to justify their enourmous salary.
Yes. Goodness, what's wrong with us? Why bother trying to understand other people at all? Why bother thinking about anything, come to that? Whew. That's a load off.
yahoo!
another god lover.
you have ne credibility here buddy, believing in god directly means you choose to be illogical. I have no respect for those who choose to live in ignorance.
This is a biased study riddled with Feminazi propaganda and their male enablers toting their misandry about, pushing their twisted agenda and breaking up families.
Feminism is not about equality, it???s about Orwellian style entitlement and superiority. The educational system favors women, and the ignorant masses are more then willing to ignore it. When a girl shows their independence it???s encouraged, for the boys it???s the half ass solution called Ritalin. Of course men are going to seem stupid when you drug them for most of their lives instead dealing with actual problems.
Oh well feminazi's continue turning people into mindless sheep, and pretend there isn't something wrong with society at large.
"Of course men are going to seem stupid when you drug them for most of their lives instead dealing with actual problems."
Whereas you use posts to Newsweek to seem stupid. Feminism has always been the struggle to have society treat women as of equal worth to men. Not better. Not identical. Of equal worth as human beings.
This study is very limited in scope, and not looking at the broader picture. Men and women are different. That's just how it is. These types of studies should quit trying to minimize this fact, and put down men. It's sexist, and completely unprofessional. Each gender has it's strengths and limitations. Men shouldn't be under such scrutiny for being confident. If everyone had a limited notion of their own abilities, nobody would attempt the impossible, or reach for something out of their grasp. The sad part of this story is that women (apparently) don't have more self confidence; for this I blame our ever-disintegrating society and moral character. If these geniuses want to solve problems, they should quit perpetuating the competitions, jealousies, and hatred between sexes, races, classes, and nations. Stop the self-fulfilling prophesies; most of us have more goals in life than to get even with or out-do so-and-so because we feel slighted by something someone in the news tells us they did. I can't believe the people conducting these studies were given grants to ask people if they feel smart. They're the ones that should have their heads examined.
These studies are valid examinations of how we see ourselves vs. how we measure up objectively (at least, as objectively as possible regarding such a volatile issue as intelligence). The issue isn't men being taken to task for confidence; the issue is why are women less confident about their intelligence than, objectively, they should be, and why are men more confident about their intelligence than, objectively, they should be. That is, the issue is lack of confidence vs. overconfidence regarding intellect, and how it may be based in gender roles. These are examinations of culture, gender, and bias that don't have easy answers, but that doesn't make the questions unworthy of being asked. Asking these questions helps us understand the human animal, and that is a valuable goal.
melmakar - I too am from the planet Schizlak and I agree with you. This planet is beyond hope. Keep the peace on our planet so our intelligence won't be insulted by this planet. Much appreciating the sarcasm and hilarity of your post. Thank You, I needed the smile.
JOHN IN THE SOUTH needs to review history. If he would, he'd find out how many women were rebuffed by men and forced to 'stay in the home.' The few who would be allowed to show their talents, many times had to do so under the disguise of being a man. An example of this turned into a movie is the life of Frederick Chopin wh's lover had to take the pen name of a man to get her writing pubilished. Take some well intended advice, read outside your field.
But if he strays from his field, who'll watch the sheep?
that's one example!! k
I agree that women do not live up to their potential. And, yes men, women are smart.
I am one of the women that strive for intellectual success in many areas, especially the math and sciences. One time I was at a Christmas dinner and the man next to me started preaching about how women cannot do math. Boy did that get my veins pumping. I do notice, though, that in all my previous classes, the majority of the females either truthfully could not compute math or they fooled themselves into what society has taught them -- women and math don't go. Tell that to Maria Agnesi or Amalie Emmy Noether.
Yeah but I had an english lit teacher tell a class that boys can't write or read as well as girls, and girls are far superior. There were male english majors in that class. You know if a male professor said that he would have been immediately dismissed from the university. In fact I also heard it repeated in highschool, so how should that be taken? I have heard a lot of this kind of stuff through school from female teachers, but no at all from male teachers about girls... though I do live in quite a liberal area... but really how can that be ok for a female teacher to say about male students but not the other way around? Is it because men just deserve it because of how women were treated for 2000 years? To me that seems to be a very arrogant and self centered response.
I think this is why men find it hard to respect feminism these days even in very feminist friendly communities. The double standard is just too noticeable. At risk in sounding sexist, feminist women seem to have trouble establishing a consistant and fair philosophy that is benificial to both sexes. Instead I see much of this double standard where women should be treated well, while at the same time they can act even more arrogant, self centered, sexist, and egotistical then any man I know.
You're clearly not meeting any intelligent feminists. And you are correct - it is no more legitimate for a teacher to say "Boys are bad at English" than it is for a teacher to say "Girls are bad at math." A teacher's job is to teach, not to undermine.
Wimmins were maid to git my beers. -Bob
Well, to be fair, "maid" is a pretty inspired "error" in this context.
I hope you misspelled on purpose! The comment was ignorant enough and then to misspell about every word! Good for you though, you spelled "BEERS" right! You helped prove some truth to the article! Way to go!
I noticed that a lot of those commenting did not actually read the article. The article states that, overall, on average, men and women have roughly the same IQ. However, there are more really smart men and really dumb men than women. This has been known for a long time. The article also pointed out that men do excel more and score higher in certain areas, like spatial awareness, than women and women score higher in areas like language. This is natural, since we are meant to complement each other. As a woman, I have a great deal of respect for men. Without men, women would be hurting, and visa-versa.
One thing, I have noticed, is that many men in my life, like my husband and father-law, feel the need to constantly put down women, their intelligence and abilities. That, to me, says that their confidence in their own superiority is lacking. Otherwise, they would not feel the need to constantly prove it. I do not feel the need to do the same. I would much rather elevate and complement men in general and the men in my life, than put them down.
Personally, I am an outlier, since my IQ score is in the top 1% of the population and I score very high in things like spatial awareness, as well as language. In fact, I do all the repairs, mechanic and contruction work at my house, because my husband struggles with those things. However, my husband is much better at socializing and persuading others than I am. This, in my opinion, is even more useful, financially, and in many other areas of life then my "superior intelligence." The problem is, that intelligence test do not take into account things like social skills.
Also, the most important indicator of success and accomplishment, in my opinion, is having a happy home life, good familial relationships, and a close relationship with God. These things have little to do with intelligence and much more to do with wisdom and morality. Many women realize this, so they choose not to spend 60-80 hours a week pursuing high-praise careers at the expense of their family. Just because there are not a lot of women pursuing a certain area of expertise of field of study, does not mean they can't. It may just mean they have other and more important priorities, such as the welfare of their family and their faith.
I hate to bring this up given the overall sensible tone of your post, but - how is it you're comfortable being married to a man who constantly puts women down?
Excellent comments. It's refreshing to read a post stating the importance of wisdom and morality.
Couln't have said it any better. Kudos!
This is silly. I think this article is a case of politically correct double standards. As a male who has worked in IT for the last 10 years I am not only insulted and offended by this article, but I realize that if a male wrote the same article claiming 'scientific proof' that we are smarter than women feminists, NOW and other women's groups would claim sexism and have a victim party. For some reason the only thing men have not done that is smart is organize to point out misandric articles like this one. It is however, not politically incorrect to bash men. For some reason no matter what articles women write putting men down it seems rare that a man is informed enough to consider it hateful. If women are smarter, then take over the IT business, the science business and math as a career. The "male ego" is such a stereotype at this point. Why is one of the leading theoretical physicists a woman but some guy with no shirt gets arrested on the show COPS for beating his wife? The answer is not because mental capacity is a gender issue. It is because intelligence is an individual thing. All I'm saying is that by the time Joan Raymond writes this pseudo-scientific and hateful article people fail to see the misandry. beniceyall says this article is not about how women are smarter but yes it is, read the title. Also beniceyall says men die more and are awarded more Darwin awards. This is because it is much more natural for men to take risks that women usually do not take. Not because men are not as smart. It is also a neat trick to say a man "has an ego" as soon as he defends his gender. The "fragile male ego" is another one of the many negative stereotypes injected into men's lives. Women have egos, too. The Darwin awards are a joke, not a justification for the media to continuously bash males and put females on a pedestal. Lastly, I do not thing one gender or race or anything is smarter than the other, I just think that men these days are treated like black people were in the 60's. We can be called not as smart as women, rapists, woman-beaters, perverts, pedophiles. Men take the blame and are exploited. Our sexuality is vilified and our intelligence is degraded, usually by women who are "experts". No one would ever say or write half of the things about women that western society says and writes about men, just out of respect.
Except that women have historically been the victims of precisely the slander you claim to be suffering from - throughout history and continuing to this day.
I am a very independent woman, thanks to my late husband who was a mechanic. I raised my three boys and one girl on my own, i agree that men have bigger egos than abilities and Mr Urchin we dont need to grow a pair to have abilities or outdo men in many areas. I fix cars/trucks do home repairs, trim trees, and yes i can spell good too even though i only finished the 10th grade, i do have GED, i also repair computers thats the icing on the cake because i didnt go to college to learn that. About the only thing that men have over women is the physical built they are strong not to say women are not, i am very strong but sometimes men can do somewhat more than me. I sure would like to meet a man that i could call my equal but nothing so far, frustration sits in, i give up, i have always said the word MAN is over rated as far as am concerned.
Congrats on all that you've accomplished despite the odds.
Good thing you don't have an ego to get in your way.
Should we just call you a WO then?
I fix bridges, fly kites, sew bras, ice cakes, ice skate, pee standing up, build monuments, spell stuff, read, drive a car, drain pasta, and play the piano despite being a male father of 5. I'm cool.
And you, of course, carried, delivered, and provided all childcare for those five children, yes?
Oh my, it sounds like we have a bitter one here. This study was not about who is smarter or better at all. Just about who has the bigger ego. I have always thought that those of us that
toot our own horns the loudest are doing so because we need to convince ourselves.
I wonder if that is taken in to account in this study. Just because a man verbalizes his
confidence in his abilty, does that mean he really believes it?
easybake not tooting no horns here just stating a fact, not bitter at all very happy with myself and am not bashing men--A British researcher reports that the male ego is often larger than his actual IQ. But you might be surprised by what women think of men's intellect. and yes some men dont have a IQ to brag about, and their egos are bigger than their IQ.
As an example of my superior intelligence, I somehow failed to make my comment appear next to gwhanson's where it would have made sense. *snicker* Take away one point from the females, lol. Really, I can't believe anyone takes this seriously. I agree with many others that there has to be a better way to spend research funds.
Well, the spate of moronic comments this story has inspired clearly indicates many people, male and female, need to both learn a little history and think a little harder about their assumptions and prejudices regarding gender stereotypes. Studies like this will continue to be necessary as long as people elect to remain ignorant.
I believe men think with their brain and don't feel much. Woman feel with their heart and don't think much. They are just as different as apples and oranges. I dont think either are wrong.
However the difference may show up in health statistics.
Men dont use their heart well enough and hence end up with higher risk of heart attack.
Woman dont use their brains well and hence have a higher chance of Alzheimer's.
I see you're doing your part to redress that imbalance.
I heard that the person with the highest recorded IQ is a woman. I???m not sure if this is still true or not. I think one major problem our society has is they confuse IQ with intelligence. IQ is a measurement of how fast someone learns. However, the IQ tests only cover a limited number of subjects. So they are not really a good measurement of actually intelligence.
IQ is how much a person has learnt, and in a given limited time, how fast can they apply their knowledge to correctly address limited issues (not necessarilty limitied to their knowledge base).
Biblical Prophecy" The meek shall inherit the earth." The men who wrote Bible thought women were meek. Now, the truth emerges. All mighty men, brace thyself to be ruled by women, being cared for by women, and being humbled by women. It is written in Bible. Do not forget another error that led men to believe the earth was flat, and it was the center of universe. Then came Galilieo who removed the darkness by spending time in dark dungeons. The only difference this time is Joan Raymond will not be imprisoned for reporting the truth this time.
Bly University did a similar study about gender and IQ. The data they are collecting is ongoing, so take the test and contribute. I will have you know that I scored higher than my husband :)
http://www.blyuniversity.com/research/avtest.html
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