The Clintons’ Patronizing Strategy

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  • Posted By: Massiel08 @ 01/25/2008 10:13:16 AM

    How can you argue you are against the war, but have voted for it. How can you say you bring about change but you and your husband have had an opportunities to solve issues such as healthcare, green technology, dependecy on foreign oil, mid-east turmoil, globalization? These are different times in the 90's yes the budget was balanced but our white house was full of scandal and dirty tactics. I dont think that in these times we can put the Clintons back in the White House and expect them to get along with the Republicans and actually solve jobs. Enough Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, etc..I am 23 years old and that's all I know and the problems are the same. I dont thing anybody can really explain to me Hillary's experience what bills has she wrote? or pass? Obama has actually had bills on ethics reform and nuclear prolification pass and become law (yes Bush actually signed a democratic bill). We have to look forward and not try to re-live the past.

  • Posted By: BeitzCr @ 01/25/2008 9:49:02 AM

    The Clintons have become the daily joke in America. But some fools will vote for her. I hope to vote Democratic....but will vote any, ANY Republican rather than her. She is not a leader, is divisive, would be the worst at pulling both parties together, LIES, sends jobs (including hi-tech IT jobs), had 3 positions on illegal immigration in 5 days. It is difficult to be such a liar, and loser at the same time.

  • Posted By: Sublime Dialectic @ 01/25/2008 9:43:00 AM

    Excellent Artilcle, Mr. Jonathan Alter

    Thinking is not patronizing as a few have indicated in the comments section. As the leading modern and historical democracy, we should dig deeper than the bitter political warfare that the Hill and Bill are currently waging against Senator Barack Obama. It's despicable!!

    Th

  • Posted By: GeeMan @ 01/25/2008 9:26:28 AM

    Guess what - Hillary was shown a photo she and Bill took with the "slum lord" Retzko at the White House - and in classic Clintonian - of course she had no recollection. Like she had none of the now-convicted crook who was bundling money into her campaign. She's probably forgotten too about the commodities deals she enabled, Whitewater, Katherine Willey, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, voting for the war before voting against it, voting for Bankruptcy Bill (anyone say Wall Street lobby?) but "happy it did not pass".

    You go girl - with the party machine in your stranglehold and the Establishment too scared to call you and Bill to order over the Swift Boating of Obama, the Democratic masses can be hoodwinked into handing you the nomination.

    Then the rest of us will pass the popcorn as the Republicans jog your memory about your real resume and history of the "35 years of experience". They gave us a preview of what's to come last night in Boca Raton. But this time, no true, thinking Democrat will carry water for the Clintons. No mas.

  • Posted By: silan @ 01/25/2008 6:03:05 AM

    I completely agree with Mr. Alter. You don't have to be an Obama supporter to see that Clinton's tactics are despicable here. When the lies they spread are so easily disproven and the truth is actually out there in the open for anyone who cares to find out, all that can be surmised is that they're playing off the assumption that voters are stupid and will only believe what they are told rather than the truth.

    Americans currently despise President Bush for all the lies his administration has spread or perpetuated. And yet Clinton is still a viable candidate... why?

    If Clinton is voted into office, then I suppose what Americans are telling them is, "Yes, you're right. We're stupid. We'll gladly blunder into the same situation for no reason other than that we've seen your face on TV for years and that, therefore, must mean you're qualified to lead us."

    I'm still waiting for anyone, anywhere, to tell me exactly what makes Sen. Clinton qualified, what experience she has, what she was in charge of during her First Lady years that proves she is more capable at managing a country than the other candidates, and what exactly she wants besides residence once again in the White House. Oh, and also, why people like her so much when her lies are so blatant, and how can we place someone in office that it is proven we cannot trust?

    PLEASE, America, THINK.

  • Posted By: nkhogan @ 01/25/2008 3:53:30 AM

    Jonothan, whilst I'm sympathetic to your argument, you run the danger of sounding patronizing yourself. I think voters are a lot more intelligent than anyone gives them credit for. Well, maybe.....the majority did re-elect GWB to a second term, so one does have to wonder what people were smoking to do that....

    Anyhoo, sadly I personally think the key issue is going to once again come down to 't It's the economy, stupid." and people will vote their pocketbooks. Americans, and I am an American, are basically self-interested and self-absorbed and don't give a hoot about Iraq except as to whether or not it affects their own pockets and income.

    I am an Obama supporter and I hate the mudslinging of the Clintons. The Clinton's tactics are deplorable and divisive. I just wish Obama would not let himself get entrapped in their mudslinging as he has gotten a bit off message and it will hurt him. Obama, start talking about the economy and all your plans in great detail. Show that you are a leader. Don't get sideswiped by the Clinton slime machine.

  • Posted By: 1sprigg @ 01/25/2008 3:42:02 AM

    as i recall Obama spoke of Ronald Reagan in particular, not the republican party. moreover, what is wrong with giving ronald regan credit for americas age of supremacy (he was president when the USSR fell apart and it was his policies that baited the soviets into an arms race, and even baiting gorbachev, which proved to be the final straw). I thought that was very adult of Obama to recognize the importance of his contributions to american society, because they were very "good ideas". if you are going to give bill clinton credit for the prosperity of the 90's in america, then you have to recognize the international accomplishments by Reagan. I could be wrong but i assumed Obama was referring to these ideas.

  • Posted By: sub @ 01/24/2008 9:56:06 PM

    I really hope that Obama and Edwards join forces.

    • Posted By: CD Politics @ 01/25/2008 3:17:27 AM

      Be careful what you wish for. Obama's fortunes began to turn during the pre-NH debate when Edwards tried to tie himself to Obama. Suddenly, Edwards then-angry rants (he's softened them somewhat) diminished Obama.

  • Posted By: CD Politics @ 01/25/2008 3:07:52 AM

    I still don't understand how anyone can take Obama's comments that the Republicans party was "the party" of ideas for the past 10-15 years and take it to mean anything other that he was saying they were good ideas. He didn't say they had some ideas; he identified a single party, excluding the Democratic party. I've never heard or read someone say of someone with a bad idea that they are the ones with ideas. Her inference is a legitimate one. It is the same inference I drew. But in any event, there is nothing "demonstrably false" about questioning his words. Perhaps he was pandering to the conservative editorial board. Or perhaps he was trying to be critical of Bill Clinton. Or perhaps he does believe that Republican ideas of the past 15 years were good ones. The ad is a perfectly suitable method of raising the issue. It is frankly illogical to make the argument you have made that raising questions about what someone has said can be a statement of fact that can be characterized as being false.

  • Posted By: Josefina @ 01/25/2008 2:39:13 AM

    You are one sided just like the majority of media. When Obama and Edwards had attacked Hilllary before the primaries, did you say anything? You are also playing politics for Obama. I don't want to vote to a likeable guy with not enough experience. I use my brain too. I don't to vote to a similar likeable guy like George Bush., who pushed us to recession.

  • Posted By: Hottline @ 01/25/2008 2:22:41 AM

    Mr. Alter insults the so-called less educated voters who support Hillary and ignores the less educated voters for Obama (read on in the next paragraph for the examples). Who the hell do you think you are with your NYC uppity bias? You want Obama because you are tired of the Clintons. And Obama has an almost George W. Bush complex that he is chosen to lead this movement at this time...a lot of hot air!

    The Clinton strategy is to show that Obama is NOT ready, is a rookie and is all puff. Obama has stepped into so many of the Clinton traps that he has transformed himself from the great new style of candidate who just happens to be an African-American into the African-American's candidate...which is the mantle Clinton has had, along with every other working person. Obama did not have to equate Clinton with Nixon...a cheap shot on his part. Obama started the tiff by being too touchy and racist about Hillary's MLK, Jr. and LBJ remark...which was trying to make the point that you need allies in the White House. Also, look how Obama changed his style, delivery and content to relate to the South Carolina African-Americans...sounding like a Baptist preacher that we did not hear up North. Where is your outrage at him for talking ethnic to his "brothers," whom he would not categorize about Bill Clinton until he watched him "dance."

    Both sides are slugging it out, and do you really think that your journalistic elitist perspective is anything other than piling on the Clintons to draw in readers? The joke is on both you and Obama. Your piling on does not hurt the Clintons, and Obama has already shown that he is not ready for prime time, and certainly not ready to run against the Republican slime machine. Super Duper Tuesday will yield 18 Hillary wins to only about 4...if that many...Obama wins. The race will be over, and the Clintons will unite the party because they have been the party for the past several years. Hillary is not only the most qualified between the two, she handles herself better in the debates. Don't forget that Americans did actually elect Richard Nixon!

  • Posted By: Hottline @ 01/25/2008 2:22:11 AM

    Mr. Alter insults the so-called less educated voters who support Hillary and ignores the less educated voters for Obama (read on in the next paragraph for the examples). Who the hell do you think you are with your NYC uppity bias? You want Obama because you are tired of the Clintons. And Obama has an almost George W. Bush complex that he is chosen to lead this movement at this time...a lot of hot air!

    The Clinton strategy is to show that Obama is NOT ready, is a rookie and is all puff. Obama has stepped into so many of the Clinton traps that he has transformed himself from the great new style of candidate who just happens to be an African-American into the African-American's candidate...which is the mantle Clinton has had, along with every other working person. Obama did not have to equate Clinton with Nixon...a cheap shot on his part. Obama started the tiff by being too touchy and racist about Hillary's MLK, Jr. and LBJ remark...which was trying to make the point that you need allies in the White House. Also, look how Obama changed his style, delivery and content to relate to the South Carolina African-Americans...sounding like a Baptist preacher that we did not hear up North. Where is your outrage at him for talking ethnic to his "brothers," whom he would not categorize about Bill Clinton until he watched him "dance."

    Both sides are slugging it out, and do you really think that your journalistic elitist perspective is anything other than piling on the Clintons to draw in readers? The joke is on both you and Obama. Your piling on does not hurt the Clintons, and Obama has already shown that he is not ready for prime time, and certainly not ready to run against the Republican slime machine. Super Duper Tuesday will yield 18 Hillary wins to only about 4...if that many...Obama wins. The race will be over, and the Clintons will unite the party because they have been the party for the past several years. Hillary is not only the most qualified between the two, she handles herself better in the debates. Don't forget that Americans did actually elect Richard Nixon!

  • Posted By: anita la @ 01/25/2008 2:07:15 AM

    I used to be a Bill and Hillary diehard supporter. Especially Hillary's who i thought really cared about issues and was going to be a good and ethical president. I bought all of her books. Now I am totally disgusted with her unethical conduct in the campaign. Her and Bill's behaviour and remarks are despicable. They will say anything to grab power.

  • Posted By: nathan silva @ 01/25/2008 1:25:17 AM

    Wrong, Jonathan Alter! The real insult here is your expectaction that your jaundiced spewing on the Clinton's will be taken seriously by the voters. Well, I'm a voter, and I say you're just another media midget taking out your peanuts envy on Willie Bill. If there's a real surprise in this election year, it's that we the peephole voters can see things as they are, without your poopy pontificating, thank you very much. Now eat your porridge, and have the decency to shut up, please.

  • Posted By: 1sprigg @ 01/25/2008 1:17:32 AM

    It is wonderful to finally hear an article that reflects the clintons true campaign strategy, by misleading and manipulating the " less educated" sector of society in order to win the democratic nomination. the clinton's are such slimy criminals and always have been just look at whitewater, which cost the american people 73 millions dollars!

  • Posted By: Lemar0701 @ 01/25/2008 1:01:31 AM

    Barack Obama is an excellent choice for president and Clinton fails in electability. Against any possible republican nominee she'll be tossed to the wind and the Democratic Party will suffer further. While it's a wonderful thought to have a woman as a President, Mrs Clinton isn't that woman - and there are dozens of other women who could take that dream and progressivly build upon it. *08 Obama* The Clintons are less then democratic, when members of your own party tell you your out of line and need to shut up, something serious is happening - those who fail to see that are also less than intelligent.

  • Posted By: FlAdemocrat @ 01/24/2008 5:29:21 PM

    It is incredibly hard for me to understand that in this campaign according to the press Sen. Obama can do not wrong while everything the Clinton campaign does is disected down to the last letter with the obvious result in being able to continue the we believe that "they are bad people" and everyone that supports them is stupid. I lived in Illinois when Sen. Obama was in the State Senate, his presence in the State House was not some excitingly meaningful legislative direction, rather it was playing the game. He won his seat because of the district he was in, not because of his brilliant plans. His U.S. Senate win was over a Republican that was the last of many last resorts during a time the Republican Governor, Atty General and others were mired in corruption. Now we Democrats are expected to follow him because someone has given him a great sounding script that "change" whatever that means, is the answer to all of our problems. Obama is not going to be able to bring people together any more that Hillary. She at least has some experience. If Obama is the choice at the convention, maybe all of us that are idiots because we support Sen. Clinton should vote for someone with experience, possibly in the other party. Or maybe we should follow Obama's methods in the Illinois Senate and just not vote.

    • Posted By: grammagram @ 01/24/2008 8:47:35 PM

      FLAdemocrat: EXACTLY what is Hillary's vast experience? 35 years? That would make her 25 at best to have been accumulating her 'experience' . She is tying herself too close to her husband to try capture those years of experience. I slept with an accountant for 30 years, but it didn't make me a CPA!

      • Posted By: seriouslycurious @ 01/25/2008 12:40:56 AM

        Way to go, Gramma!

  • Posted By: murrieta @ 01/24/2008 1:14:35 PM

    I am 55 years old. I have voted in every election since 1972. I have voted Democrat every time. If it is Hillary I will either vote GOP or sit it out. I am sick of the Clintons. Is this nation a monarchy? I guess it depends on what your definition of is is..

    • Posted By: mabuhay @ 01/25/2008 12:10:34 AM

      I am a military veteran and voted Democrat every elections. If it's Obama, I will either vote GOP or sit it out. I am sich of cry babies like him and his wife.

      To Alter, I am a voter. I am intelligent. I am for Hillary.

  • Posted By: Dr.Woo @ 01/25/2008 12:08:22 AM

    Hillary is the opponent of choice for the Republican Party. Rupert Murdoch who owns FoxNews and now the Wall Street Journal, held a big fundraiser for Hillary. Rupert Murdoch, one of the most rightwing tycoons on the planet, holding a fundraiser for a democrat? This does not pass the smell test. Obama or Edwards! Otherwise the general election will be endless reruns of Juanita, Jennifer, Paula, Monica,Travelgate, Whitewater, Vince Foster,on.and on. If that,s not enough. Consider this. Bill Clinton could have had a fine legacy, but he threw it away. His serial recklessness made us all vulnerable. His serial recklessness allowed a couple of sociopaths to take over our government. For all the hopes we had, Bill Clinton's legacy to us in the end is Bush/Cheney, the most disaterous administration in history. America is wounded. Let's all unite around her and show some love. The Clintons will just unite the rightwingers and bring back the hate. Please! Let's turn the page.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/24/2008 11:57:19 PM

    : Do you know that the Arabs have the Clinton's in their pockets. This is where Obama can gain ground on the Clintons. REmember the Clinton's sold the Lincoln Bedroom to the Chinese. We are in debt and we are dealing with it in the wrong way. Bush/Clinton are run by the same financial entities. What is good for George Sorros is good for George Bush. Obama is the only candidate can bring factions together in order to implement an economic plan that is in the best interest of the United States, NOT INDIA, NOT CHINA AND NOT SAUDI ARABIA"S best interest, AMERICA"S BEST INTEREST.


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