The Clintons’ Patronizing Strategy

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  • Posted By: peter @ 01/24/2008 3:09:35 PM

    The Dem's and the people who manipulate the news are so gung-ho with the possibility of either the first black or the first woman in the WH that issues are being pushed aside. Clinton's term had good economic times not because of Clinton but because of the .com boom. If people remember, anybody who crossed the Clinton's path (especially women) were maliciously attacked and savaged. I voted Clinton in '92 but could not in '96 because of the tactics used to disparage dissenters.
    If Hillary is to be deemed presidential then Bill should stand down and let her handle the issues. The thing is he can not and will not. Imagine the confusion on the world stage with her saying one thing and him another.
    Obama does not give the depth of respose to issues that concern me. Maybe in '12 or '16.
    Everybody is so hooked on Hillary or Obama; I would like to see more coverage of Edwards.
    Get off the "this is a historic race because of black man/white woman" crap and look at the serious issues facing our nation. Then vote for the BEST candidate who can lead this nation through the difficult years ahead.

    • Posted By: billcanton @ 01/24/2008 3:31:16 PM

      I plan on it. His name is Barack Obama!

      • Posted By: Sam I Am @ 01/24/2008 8:33:27 PM

        Enter Your CommentPrimaries are important, but they are just a prelude. The general election is the main event and you should be prepared to vote for the best candidate then. Don't close out the possibioities. I will vote for Clinton, Edwards, or Obama if they win the nomination.

  • Posted By: ericrsiny @ 01/24/2008 4:39:12 PM

    Michelle Obama is not above getting involved in the fray but where is the national media coverage about this. In an email sent out today she states:


    "In the last week or two, another candidate's spouse has been getting an awful lot of attention.

    We knew getting into this race that Barack would be competing with Senator Clinton and President Clinton at the same time.

    We expected that Bill Clinton would tout his record from the nineties and talk about Hillary's role in his past success. That's a fair approach and a challenge we are prepared to face.

    What we didn't expect, at least not from our fellow Democrats, are the win-at-all-costs tactics we've seen recently. We didn't expect misleading accusations that willfully distort Barack's record.

    Barack isn't relying on a former President of the United States to campaign for him.

    Please stand up in the face of these new attacks. Make your first online donation of $50 today and own a piece of this campaign."

    • Posted By: Sam I Am @ 01/24/2008 8:29:11 PM

      The reality is that the Obama campaign is uncomfortable when Obama's record is scrutinized. A good review of his legislative record will show a weak record which is to be expected of a freshman senator. I will support him if he wins, but you should reconsider writing of Hillaary if she wins!

  • Posted By: distortitmore @ 01/24/2008 6:58:43 PM

    'These are completely ordinary comments' you say that Obama made about the Clinton era in contrast to the Reagan era. The minute those comments came out of his mouth my friend and I looked at each other and said ' Is he trying to gain the Republican favor and at the same time slam Clinton's achievements?' .Obama is like a mamma's boy that throws a jab and then comes home crying when the jab returned is a bit stronger. You are playing with the big boys now. I am so tired of seeing the media play favorites with Obama.

    • Posted By: grammagram @ 01/24/2008 8:27:25 PM

      It appears Hillary in a much more insiduous way crys to her hatchetman, the master of mistruth and distortion to defend her. And that would be Slippery Bill. Again, one has to ask 'who will be the President? Obviously the stronger of the Hill//Bill act and it's not the lady of the house!!! Do we really want another 8 years of lying and deceiving the American Public? Let's open the windows and get a little fresh air!

  • Posted By: ss1834 @ 01/24/2008 5:15:34 PM

    It is incredibly hard for me, even as a Democrat, to support the Clintons in any way. They have shown a lack of ethics and morality that is appalling. I have had so many people say to me "do they really think the American public is that dumb???" The scary thing is, I don't know the answer to that question.

    • Posted By: Sam I Am @ 01/24/2008 8:26:18 PM

      So, you are voting for someone who is entering a monastery or convent? Grow up, no one individual is all good orall bad. Compromise is the name of the game in politics and that means some decsions may not agree with your thinking. the question is, do you support the Republican or Democratic thinking?

    • Posted By: Sam I Am @ 01/24/2008 8:10:19 PM

      Enter Your CommentEverything and everbody is not clear cut right and wrong! If you think the Democratic primary is rough and tumble, just wait until the general election. All the slurs posted on the internet blogs will be maginified exponentially. You shuld be thankful that Obama is learning what it takes to run a campaing so that he can survive in the general election if he survives or in a future election: I know I am. I want a tough Democratic campaigner, not a weak one like John Kerry who let the opposition clean his clock. Again, I will support whomever the Democratic candidate is since I believe we are blessed with three excellent candidates who will do well against the Republicans.

    • Posted By: Sam I Am @ 01/24/2008 5:50:09 PM

      Everything and everbody is not clear cut right and wrong! If you think the Democratic primary is rough and tumble, just wait until the general election. All the slurs posted on the internet blogs will be maginified exponentially. You shuld be thankful that Obama is learning what it takes to run a campaing so that he can survive in the general election if he survives or in a future election: I know I am. I want a tough Democratic campaigner, not a weak one like John Kerry who let the opposition clean his clock. Again, I will support whomever the Democratic candidate is since I believe we are blessed with three excellent candidates who will do well against the Republicans. And if you don't think it is us against them, consider stem cell research, lying us into the Iraqi war, suspension of cvil rights, votes against SCHIP, poor treatment of our veterans . . . need I go on listing 'us against them issues". Also remember that the media likes a fight, even if they have to create it. They are like kids encouraging two kids to fight while they keep their hands clean. Good news doesn't sell as well as contentious ones

      • Posted By: ss1834 @ 01/24/2008 6:29:20 PM

        Here's the problem Sam I Am -- your rationale is exactly the same "old politics" that the Clintons run on. Why do we aspire to mediocrity and "who is the best mudslinger?" Obama has offered thousands of Americans the hope that he can transcend this politics as usual. I am truly inspired by him and I know thousands of others are. What about doing what is right, rather than what we think will appeal to the lowest common denominator? The Democrats and the American Public are better than that.

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  • Posted By: PissedDEM @ 01/24/2008 3:43:21 PM

    As a white democrat woman, whose in her late 20's with parents who VOTED for Clinton twice, I am in Hillary's key demographic. I even worked on Bill's 1992 campaign before I knew what he was all about. But I can't stand Billary and will never vote for them. I find it degrading and insulting to have the first real possibility for a woman president being associated with fear politics and leaning on a man to get her in the Oval Office. I dreamed of a woman president for years and wanted to be one myself as a small child, but now I find myself sending as much of my piddly income as I can afford to Obama every month. And I wouldn't care if he was black, white, or purple either, this is for all the Clinton facists out there, who assume I give a crap about the color of someone's skin. Hillary, it's the color of your soul that matters and yours is turning as black as your husband's. At this point, I'd give one of my kidneys to see Mrs. Clinton lose this race, and I'm not kidding. PS: I agree with obama's sentiment about Regan's slick style of uniting all past the ability to even see the damage of his actions, and I am no republican.

    • Posted By: Sam I Am @ 01/24/2008 8:18:43 PM

      Even though I believe Obama's record is minimal, I will vote for him if he wins the primaries. Every individual in the race and out here in the USA is not all good or all bad. the larger question is whether you agree with the Republican caucas or the Democratic caucus as to what is best for us. I, for one, do not support gaybashing, stances against stem cell research (most advances in science ar against the accepted standards of the time. There was angst over cadaver research at one time), lying us into Iraq, vetos of the SCHIP, etc. Question is, aare you a Democrat or not. Any one pf tje tjree ,akpr Democratic candidates is acceptable to me by a large margin over any Republican candidate!

  • Posted By: ericrsiny @ 01/24/2008 7:37:32 PM

    Look at this poll

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080124_SC_Dem_McClatchy_MSNBC_Mason-Dixon.pdf

    It has South Carolina at:

    Obama 38%
    Clinton 30%
    Edwards 19%

    Undecided 13%

    Hillary's only behind 8 with 13 undecided??? Ok so it is a poll and only one poll but that is pretty interesting.

    Hmmm maybe the people of South Carolina are very smart to not listen to the talking heads, the pundits, and the right wing smear machine and actually are caring about the issues.

  • Posted By: ericrsiny @ 01/24/2008 7:35:57 PM

    Look at this poll

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080124_SC_Dem_McClatchy_MSNBC_Mason-Dixon.pdf

    It has South Carolina at:

    Obama 38%
    Clinton 30%
    Edwards 19%

    Undecided 13%

    Hillary's only behind 8 with 13 undecided??? Ok so it is a poll and only one poll but that is pretty interesting.

    Hmmm maybe the people of South Carolina are very smart to not listen to the talking heads, the pundits, and the right wing smear machine and actually are caring about the issues.

  • Posted By: deepnews @ 01/24/2008 7:21:21 PM

    Judytruth writes:
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    "This guy has published at least two articles to support Obama and criticize Clinton--in an unfair way. Seems like whatever Obama did, it's right . . , So who is this guy? A staff of Obama campaign?"

    Ah, Judy Truth! Who is Jonathan Alter? He's the guy who, where political commentary's concerned, makes Chris Matthews sound, by comparison, like the Dalai Lama
    If you think Alter's clumsy HERE in tilting to Obama, go back and read some of his hatchet jobs on John Edwards and Elizabeth Edwards.//

  • Posted By: Igloo @ 01/24/2008 4:02:29 PM

    At least Obama has the press by his side. Hillary is not only facing her opponents but also a hostile press who is head over heels in love with Obama. Since Iowa the press has been trying to coronate Obama with total disregard for the voters.

    • Posted By: PissedDEM @ 01/24/2008 4:11:32 PM

      Dude, say what you will about hillary and Barrack but you are seriously seeing what you wanna see when it comes to the press. After the debate in Nevada, the press was practically wetting themselves with praise for Clinton though IMHO, even as an obama supporter, Edwards cleaned house.

      • Posted By: paynepl @ 01/24/2008 6:59:07 PM

        If Hillary had lost the popular vote in Nevada, but won in the delegate count, the headlines would have read: "Hillary loses popular vote BUT WINS NEVADA". No such headlines existed for Obama. If you don't believe me, then google it.

  • Posted By: ye ye ye @ 01/24/2008 6:57:28 PM

    mr. alter, thank you for bringing up this point. i think it is what alot of us are thinking but are afraid of saying b/c it may not be politically correct.

    however, after looking at poll after poll, it is clear that the more well-educated voters are more willing to look at the facts and make the fair assessment, while the "low-information voters," who the clintons are targeting and make up a solid part of the democratic base, are susceptible to basing their decisions on blind brand loyalty. i really really hope that senator obama is going to be able to get his message of change out in time.

    i sure know i'm going to help do anything to achieve that goal.

  • Posted By: DCSteve @ 01/24/2008 1:33:21 PM

    I see comments here that the Clintons played the race card -- seems as I recall it was Obama twisting Clinton's words about Johnson and MLK to make it seem like she was dismissing MLK (and by implication blacks) that got this off to a rip roaring start. And I think what got Big Bill's goat was being mentioned with Nixon in the Obama/Regan interview. Ouch. Nice dig Obama. Game on!

    Here is the cold hard political reality for the Clintons. Obama has got the blacks in overwhelming numbers -- why - well the fact they are backing him in far greater numbers than any other group would lead one to believe it is based on ethnicity to a large degree. OK, they are lost. So looking at influential groups, the Latinos actually can more than off sett the Obama advantage with Blacks -- Hillary knows that. I think they call it counting noses in politics.

    I think we are seeing the beginning of a new power center in the Democratic party -- Latinos as the solid block to get, that eclipses the blacks in importance.

    To Alter's comments -- All voting in the democratic primaries is proportionate -- right? So his point on getting close in NJ is the same everywhere for both of them. If Hilary wins every ethnic and economic group other than blacks and affluent whites, and Latinos in the same fashion Obama wins blacks he is going to lose.

    Why is that?

    I have been watching this election fairly closely and I really don't know much about Obama. The fact the Clinton's can distort his positions (and he does the same to them) is that I don't think many people know what his positions are. The postions I do know -- like not requiring everyone to have health insurance because they could not afford, frankly I find bizarre. If people can't afford it, the government needs to make it affordable -- I simply don't see any way to have universal coverage unless it is well, universal.

    In general, his candidacy was/is all soaring rhetoric, short on substance, and he is now playing catch-up. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. We will see, but he is going to need to sharpen up his positions along the lines of Hillary or Edwards to get my vote. .

    • Posted By: amazed @ 01/24/2008 6:54:35 PM

      The postions I do know -- like not requiring everyone to have health insurance because they could not afford, frankly I find bizarre. If people can't afford it, the government needs to make it affordable -- I simply don't see any way to have universal coverage unless it is well, universal.


      Err...Obama's position is exactly what you state - he says the goal of the government is to make healthcare affordable. Clinton and Edwards say that people have to buy healthcare if it is affordable or not - and if you don't buy healthcare, you will be penalized. Obama says that is stupid, because people don't buy healthcare because they cannot afford it, and hence what is the point of fining people? According to Obama, the government should put pressure on th insurers to lower prices, not force the public to buy insurance. Eventually, if the government can push prices down, and subsidize the poor, everyone will have healthcare

  • Posted By: distortitmore @ 01/24/2008 6:48:29 PM

    Last week when Obama initially made that comment about Reagan my friend and I looked at each other immediately and said ' Is he going after the Republican vote??' Most definitely he sounded like he was speaking highly of Reagan while in the same sentence putting in a dig against the Bill Clinton era. And now he is trying to back out of it and all the while you media folks are right there beside Obama....shame on you Obama and the media.

  • Posted By: Pilot08T @ 01/24/2008 6:47:03 PM

    On the Clinton's, the Americans have always got it wrong.

    I don't mind that they are like every other politician, dishonest liars, but that they pretend that they aren't.

  • Posted By: nancy1 @ 01/24/2008 6:43:58 PM

    Unfortunately, I think Mr. Alter is exactly right. With all the distortions and lies the Clintons have spread about him, Mr. Obama is in a bad position. If he doesn't respond, we could have a Swiftboat situation and if he does respond, he risks going off his positive message. I have been inspired by Sen. Obama to let go of my outer cynicism and hold on to my inner optimist. I'm hoping the American people are more informed than the Clintons give them credit for. No one likes being patronized and the Clintons have been doing a lot of that lately -- to Sen. Obama and us voters. Hopefully, we voters will get it right this time. If we don't, how else are we going to get a big enough majority to get anything done?

  • Posted By: hillaryforpresident!!! @ 01/24/2008 4:48:25 PM

    I am sick of all of these bogus stories put out by the media demonizing the Clinton's! The author of this article needs to seriously check his facts: EDUCATED democrats are voting for Hillary because they trust in her experience and she is the only candidate that will hold up against the Republicans. Obama has no experience and no strategy! Please, Obama supporters tell me what the hell he is going to "change" as president, does anyone know!?!? I have watched all of his speeches and still have no clue!

    • Posted By: jheberle @ 01/24/2008 5:05:31 PM

      Well if that is not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. You now know what it feels like to be Mr. Obama, my friend.

      • Posted By: Becky in Michigan @ 01/24/2008 6:37:40 PM

        Hillary is running on 35 years of experience - and if that is true - then why has she not been more influential in keeping the jobs that have left for China, which I believe (?) has excelerated since the WTO was signed in 1993, and why was the universal health care program dropped in the 90's - knowing the EXTREME escalation of health care premiums since for both employers and private coverage and why cannot people afford to fill their gas tank and pay their heat bill. Why have I read that making hamburgers is considered a "manufacturing job". Why did her experience not bridge the bipartisan ship that was needed to address these issues. I live in Michigan - did you read the headlines? Ford is going to offer their employees buyouts - so is GM. I think it affects 54,000 people - who will probably loose their health care benefits if they accept the buyout. Michigan voted 40% uncommitted in the recent democratic presidential primary - Hillary was the only major candidate on the ballot. That is not a vote of confidence for her campaign. And I know that the past is past and we have moved on - but come on, really - if you really think about it her husband is not the best person to be giving her the "recommendation" to serve as our president. It is a undeniable fact that her husband while THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of our country - lied to the American people at a cost of approx. $7-billion dollars to the taxpayers and was almost impreached. He broke the trust of those who had elected him - and you have nothing if you do not have trust as a public official. I am also a public servant - I believe there is a code of conduct that all elected officials must adhere to - we have a true responsibility not only to those who elect us - but to those who voted against us. As I see it Hillary is not standing on her own. She has to demand those on her staff be accountable, respectful and act with integrity towards the other candidates because if she does not she is truly insulting us all. And as a woman Hillary is making it so much harder for the rest of all the strong, independent women out there. Her actions do not cry out "role model". Women everywhere have to address issues and situations that are tough - and at times give answers they do not want to - or god forbid admit mistakes. Most try to face these times with strength, courage and integrity - and it is tough and we cry when we get in our cars or in our beds, but we have to act with principle, and respect and we cannot allow to have others fight our battles if we want to be taken seriously and still respect ourselves at the end of the day. I do not know who I am voting for - but I want hope for a better future. I believe you can debate, and disagree but I cannot believe that anyone with a concience can justify intentional acts of malice towards another person - no matter what the prize is. I think I am sick also - just for different reasons than you are.

    • Posted By: ss1834 @ 01/24/2008 6:33:33 PM

      hillaryfor president - wrong. almost every poll shows Obama leading among voters with more education. It is common knowledge the Clintons appeal to the lowest common denominator. Policy-wise, I will admit, there is not tremendous difference between Clinton and Obama. The REAL difference is in their ability to effect change. Obama has time and again demonstrated his ability to bring disparate groups together. Hillary Clinton meanwhile, is, one of the most divisive individuals in the history of politics. She will drive out the Republican vote in unprecedented numbers.

  • Posted By: Portlandperson @ 01/24/2008 6:33:26 PM

    Now that the Clintons have trivialized this whole Democratic party campaign, and have insisted on the same sort of sliming that downed Kerry, who was put in a position of using his time and funds to answer outrageous charges, my mind is made up. I will never vote for a Clinton...and I say that feeling that we can't be sure which Clinton we would be voting for. Does Bill want his third term, or Hillary mean to take her self vaunted "leadership skills" onward to her second term, and Bills' 4th?

  • Posted By: danrlewis @ 01/24/2008 6:18:55 PM

    I've always believed it the jobs of journalists to find the truth among the mudslinging. It's about time someone has stood up for Obama.. the Clintons have insulted my intelligence for the last time. This is the kind of crap that turned me away from the Republican party. How exactly is she going to change Washington? Oh, right.. she's NOT. VOTE OBAMA and end the reign of the Bushes and Clintons!

  • Posted By: MissyE @ 01/24/2008 5:53:06 PM

    The Clintons... yikes. More scandal more theft more hard heartedness more dancing while the coffers get looted - enough already. Democrats - do you really want Hilary to take on the Republicans? Is she covered in that much Teflon? She won't negotiate very well with Bill turning purple and yelling in the background and her crying and pointing fingers at the podium. Republicans - what a cakewalk. If Hillary gets the nomination, as a woman it will be hard to watch the Republican acrylic nails come out and rip her to bits but we'll survive. Women don't have cojones, we don't need them. We use our brains when our hearts are not bleeding out like hers is. Pity

  • Posted By: kingofgeneva @ 01/24/2008 5:43:51 PM

    If Obama can't stand against the Clinton smear campaign, what happens when the vast right wing begins their swiftboating of Obama in the general election? I like Obama's hope, but I don't think he's got the cajones to stand up to the vast right wing smear machine, by which the Clintons are battle tested. With the Clintons, everything dirty has been aired, but with Obama nothing has been aired. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen- Go Democrats!

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