CAMPAIGN 2008

The Demublican

Whose side is Joe Lieberman on?

« Return to Article

Discuss

Member Comments

  • Posted By: fedupwithbullstuff @ 10/18/2009 2:40:54 PM

    I like 'ole Joe because he has taken a step that many career ploiticians are afraid to take. He has decided that to best represent his folks, he can't be tied up with party politics. If there were a party for COMMON SENSE, I would be happy to Joe take charge and run it. I think most americans would appreciate the change, and a real 3rd party might get rid of the left wing nuts and the right wing nuts that are driving us all into oblivion. I truly believe that the vast majority are in the middle.

  • Posted By: JJJJJ @ 03/17/2008 5:07:53 PM

    McCain was given the opportunity to leave the POW camp in Vietnam because he was the son of an admiral, but instead choose to remain in captivity unitl EVERYONE else was released. His loyalty to his countrymen led to 6 more years of TORTURE. McCain is to be admired for this, and yes, he IS A HERO.

    To MEREDITH_ROLLO, guardedlyoptimistic, Chaotician, and any other bleeding-heart, hate America, run and hide limousine liberals who CANNOT RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE THE TORMENT THAT MCCAIN ENDURED IN VIETNAM - SHAME ON YOU!!!!

    How dare you call into question this man's allegience to his country. And dumb a@@ guardedlyoptimistic, Bush did not get into "2 wars" - Afghanastan was because of 9/11 - to you remember 9/11? You know, where 3,000 Americans were murdered!

    Mrs Hate the Troops, MEREDITH_ROLLO , "Politicians will expend soldiers lives'.....and McCain should be familiar with that scenario!!! Just another 'Ivy League' appointed and supposed "War Hero"...." ----what the hell are you commenting about.? McCain was being tortured in a POW camp while the "ivy leages" were protesting the war from the comfort of their east coast mansion - so get your facts straight!!!!

    People like you line up to spit on the returning soldiers while looking down from your ivory towers. Your are pathetic and your pious attitudes towards the troops makes me sick.

  • Posted By: guardedlyoptimistic @ 03/15/2008 1:32:12 AM

    I don't think you'll see Lieberman on the ticket...if that were likely I imagine McCain would have accepted Kerry's offer to be his vice presidential candidate in 2004. While I personally respect Mr McCain, I KNOW for sure that a vote for McCain is a vote for war and it's a vote for a continuation of Bush policies that have made the people of this country sick (sometimes literally) and tired of feeling less free, less secure, less proud, and definitely, less safe! Name one "accomplishment" of the Bush years? There are none...he's gotten us into 2 wars and ruined the economy! The Republicans inheirted a huge surplus when Bush became President and turned it into a colassal deficit! The government procured more secrecy and deceit for themselves while we suffered the loss of our civil rights! We were duped...that makes it a no brainer....they fooled us, twice! We know for certain that they lied to us, they spent all our money, lost our jobs, failed to protect us...and just generally lost interest in us....if you're willing to bend over again... you're going to get kicked in the ass...again..Sooooo, to avoid that ,vote for a Democrat and with a Democratic congress, things will get done that will benefit the people of this country and not just the corporations!

  • Posted By: MEREDITH_ROLLO @ 02/05/2008 11:51:00 PM

    I agree Mr. Ferdi....Mr. Lieberman brings a lot of baggage....which is the real story of McCain.... Just more Baggage, filled with Garbage...at the expense of US Taxpayers and US Soldiers'....along with Coalition forces...

    And McCain Supports the Troops??? ... McCain is just the usual "Neo-Con"....as if we didn't already know that....

    Politicians will expend soldiers lives'.....and McCain should be familiar with that scenario!!!

    Just another 'Ivy League' appointed and supposed "War Hero"....

    War Hero? What exactly is that Senator McCain??? I believe it's a term, that has been coined by politicians' to "rally up the troops" at the beginning of conflict....and when they return home, should the Grace of God permit, they get abandoned by those 'waving Old Glory' at the outset!!! ....(Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1 ring a bell???)

    Of course, people like Lieberman come along, with foreign support and cash, and start the "cycle" all over again.... ....just don't say Christ!!! Amen....

    McCain and Lieberman.... FOR A NEW AMERICA!!! A NEW VISION!!! A BOLD DIRECTION!!!

    "BombBombBomb...BombBombIran......." Way to Go McCain!!! Yeah!!! Welcome to the NeoCon Machine!!!
    need to use

  • Posted By: Chaotician @ 01/29/2008 10:20:45 PM

    I must confess I loath the man and everything he stands for! I believe he is a traitor to America; should immigrate to Jewish Palestine and join the Zionist fools who resemble their persecutors, Stalin and Hitler; and have become the very pariahs that they claim the world has treated them as. He is at best misguided and his support of George and his illegal, immoral, and corrupt ME actions is additional grounds for his condemnation.

  • Posted By: hoopes_az @ 01/28/2008 12:54:35 PM

    He's clearly on McCain's side. The "Republicrat".

  • Posted By: stout77 @ 01/25/2008 12:36:28 PM

    davideferdi - For the record, I am a Methodist. I find it ironic that the very people that religious fundamentalists loathe (people without a god, typically liberal self-proclaimed "intellectuals") are the first ones to come to their defense. It seems "open-mindedness" may have crossed the line into simple self-loathing stupidity in your case. Making the argument to turn our backs on one of our strongest and most strategically-located allies only goes to reinforce this notion. Here in the real world we choose our allies based on common interests, and I can think of none shared between myself and the people trying to destroy Israel.

    • Posted By: davidferdi @ 01/28/2008 12:22:16 PM

      Stout77- I do not believe in your common interest. Common interest usually comes down to self interest.
      I do not look for the destruction of israel. I believe in what a true Jewish (neutra karta) group professes. Jews want a place to call home as do every self determining group, but at what expense?
      I am an American of single citizenship. Why should my children and I be dragged into the jewish/Muslim phenomenon. The way the creation of Israel was done was immoral and unethical. Look to what it has snowballed into. although politics seems to be a neccessary evil, I dislike it. MONEY/FAVORS IS THE ROOT OF POLITICS. Politics is not based on real Truth,decency, altruistic motives. what you seem to project is the typical good ol boy washington mentality of "what's in it for me." or the "we need to protect our liberties from these religious fundamentalist." The Washington fear factor is so implanted in you simpl-mined neo-cons that you live by the "today is level orange " just to feel safe. There must be real consessions on the part of jewish leadership in terms of the Palistinian plight. It is evident that there wills are not easily broken. That is why I do not want a Joe Lieberman as a representative of USA.

    • Posted By: coachleif @ 01/25/2008 1:12:35 PM

      stout77
      Here! Here! I strongly second your opinion. Gee, the ONLY reason we would support Israel is because we're Zionists?!?! Obviously NOT. I've about given up on the TWO party system -- unless you mean let's have two parties, one at your house and one at mine to celebrate Independent thinking and committment. I'm ready to work as hard as I did for McCarthy in the 60's and John Anderson and Ross Perot later for a strong third party so that coalition government -- government by concensus -- responsive government can become a reality. In our infancy and adolescence as a nation we were characterized by more than two national parties and by more than (usually) 3 or 4 at the state and local levels. Now, for all practical purposes, most states are controlled by one party only for generations and most local elections have only one viable party. Enough, enough, enough of this nonsense already. Get a brain AND a backbone and make your feelings known through NONVOTING in November. Vote for all the local and regional politicos who might have an influence on your day-to-day living. Vote for Staeweide offices but do NOT vote for National offices. It's the only way under the current system to show, conclusively that it's the Natioanl two-party system that needs reconstruction. There is no other viable method and it's from a demonstration such as this that new leaders get the nerve and backing to try to establish something else. It's time to take it to the streets with a purpose. Not anarchy but reconstruction.

  • Posted By: BILL5321 @ 01/26/2008 2:44:16 PM

    Joe is a cool guy.

    He at least he trying to do what right.

    More than I can say about the Clinton when Bill was in office.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 01/26/2008 12:05:46 AM

    Actually Joe Lieberman is neither a sell-out, a turn-coat or a traitor, because the only person Joe Lieberman cares about is Joe Lieberman. He???s a puppet of the American Enterprise Institute, the K Street lobbyists, the war profiteers, and the Israel lobby. He finds nothing wrong with siding with a president who has lied to the public 953 times, so much for Lieberman???s character. As long as K Street stays in business, Lieberman doesn???t give a rat anything or anyone else.

  • Posted By: awynative @ 01/25/2008 9:55:59 PM

    Saltydog,

    Thanks for a good post.

    It is the integrity of McCain and Lieberman that endears them to me. I TRUST McCain, and, I admire him.

    I am not as harsh as you with respect to McCain's patronization of the Christian Right or his surface acquiescence to opposition to campaign finance reform. Witness the rebuke he has faced in advocating a bipartisan solution for immigration reform.

    The myth of the "Global War on Terror" has been hyperbole whose prosecution has resulted in blunders with tragic consequences we must begin to repair by a change in leadership and foreign policy perspective. Dialogue and strategic aid to countries like IRan are critical. In our occupation of IraQ, it is long past time for us to enlist the capital resources of the U.N. to complement our provision of security Is that McCain's perspective? I'm doubtful.

  • Posted By: Gerald G. @ 01/25/2008 7:02:06 PM

    Joe is one of the last great Americans who puts his principles ahead of partisan politics!

  • Posted By: CassandraSays @ 01/25/2008 5:01:00 PM

    Joe started out applying the sub-caudal kiss to the Cuban-American terrorists, who bought his seat for him from Lowell Weicker after Weicker described Fidel Castro as a friend.

    Once he got started he found he liked it.

  • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 01/25/2008 3:47:49 PM

    First of all, I strongly disagree with Lieberman about national security being the biggest issue facing America. I also disagree with his (and McCain's) stance on Iraq. I think they've both been hoodwinked by the chicken little cry of "The terrorists are coming! The terrorists are coming!". We lose more lives to automobile accidents in a month than we've lost to terrorists over the past decade, but nobody's willing to dump 2 trillion dollars combating General Motors.


    Nonetheless, I am impressed by Lieberman's ability to stay true to his beliefs, however misguided I think they are. Integrity is in extremely short supply in Washington. Other politicians should take a page from Lieberman and vote their conscience. In fact, John McCain could learn a thing or two from his friend. I used to believe that McCain was the lone politico in Washington who acted according to his beliefs. That opinion was destroyed after he responded to his loss in the 2000 primaries by pressing his once heroic lips to the backside of the Christian right. Nobody was fooled by disingenious pandering to the close-minded, reactionary segment of his party he once would have never allowed at his table. It was a stab in the heart to those of us who once admired him for standing up for what he believed regardless of the political consequences.

    Same thing regarding McCain's stance on campaign finance reform. He once fought the good fight. . .and lost to Bush, who embodied the unscrupulous corporate political environment in Washington that McCain truly despised. Instead of sticking to his guns, McCain joined the darkside. Again, it's a stab in the heart to watch the American political system do to McCain what years in a Vietnamese prison camp failed to do; break his spirit and cause him to kowtow to the ugly forces of evil he once opposed.

    Hopefully McCain will learn a little from his supporter, Joseph Lieberman, and remember how good it feels to be true to oneself. If he does, and returns to his 2000 form, he'd make a good president. If not, he'll make a good stooge, just like George.

  • Posted By: Cates @ 01/25/2008 11:02:20 AM

    Anti-Zionism is not racism, as Jews are not a race but rather an organized group. A group of people in the same way the Mafia is a group of people. The disgust fair minded people hold for Zionism is similar to that held toward the Mafia. It is wrong and evil to take things that don???t belong to you. It was wrong to steal and occupy the Palestinian???s land and most fair minded people find Zionist disgusting for doing so. Claiming that an imaginary god anointed one group as more special than the rest of us and gave the land to that group thousands of years ago does not impress fair minded people as reasonable and rational. Zionist will have to live with the fact that fair minded people despise the evil deeds done by any deceptive group of people, no mater how special they think they are.

    Supporting Israel is morally wrong and un-American. Lieberman has made it clear he supports Israel, not America.

    • Posted By: misterharban @ 01/25/2008 11:57:07 AM

      I would never presume that you are a racist. Frankly, hateful bigot is probably closer to the target. Like most conflicts there are two sides to the Israel conflict. To brand only one side as evil and deceptive simply ignores the historical facts on the ground. More importantly, the greatest responsibility for the formation of Zion lies not with your hateful, deceptive Jews, but with the well meaning, if thoughtless, Americans and Europeans who facilitated its founding through the U.N. With a little practice you might be able to muster enough hatred to include these evil deceivers in your sweeping condemnation of those who are not like you. Surely, many mistakes have been made. The world would certainly benefit if people like you would work to channel your hateful energy toward solving a problem which many other intelligent people of good will have, as yet, not been unable to solve. Hopefully, you have something more creative than another cut at the final solution. Hopefully.

      • Posted By: ronbo60 @ 01/25/2008 12:20:07 PM

        Attack all that you want; but, the truth as written by Cates can not be denied. Call names and attack all you want. My grandfather is jewish - and we both agree that Lieberman is doing a disservice to his country. I know you are going to say that I'm being hateful - It's your method. However, clear and ressoned thought will cool your heated attacks. If you wish for Israel to be the 51st state, then work for it.

        • Posted By: misterharban @ 01/25/2008 1:12:35 PM

          I am not so enlightened as to have a clue as to what to do about Israel. I accept that reasonable people can disagree on this. I found Cates despicable characterization of Jews as religiously deluded, evil and deceptive people to be more or less consistent with the representations of Jews made by other hateful bigots. I am not a Zionist, nor would I necessarily support Zionism if it were a decision which was being made today. That decision was made a long time ago. What I would ask anti-Zionists today is what they would propose that would not simply compound the human suffering in the world. Trading the current unacceptable position of the Palestinians for an equally unacceptable position for Jews in Israel is neither moral nor just. It is not our place to either wish the Palestinians or the Jews into the cornfield. Cates is free to hate Jews or not. You are free to loathe Zionism or not. None of us ought to be able to face ourselves in the mirror by blithely proposing remedies which do not take account our responsibility for bringing this situation about and which would simply erase the legitimate claims to humanity that all of the parties have in this. Yes, it is complicated. Hitler tried a simple solution and the world recoiled in horror when it saw itself reflected in his mirror.

          My grandfather was a good man. Yet I remember him making the same vile characterizations of the Jews that Cates did. I work every day to try to see the world in different terms, because in this he was wrong. Maybe there should be no Israel, after all, it is only a country. Maybe the Jewish religion should perish, after all, it is only a religion. But Jews and Israel are people, as are Palestinians and Muslims. Sure, toss out Zion and Zionism. Tell me what will become of the people. Tell me what will become of the people.

  • Posted By: Potus @ 01/25/2008 10:42:35 AM

    Not only is it disgusting that there are racist comments made about Senator Lieberman and his faith--looking at the insults below--but it is also sad that so-called open minded and tolerant democrats can't stand a fellow democrat who does not follow party dogma. What ever happened to truly liberal and free thinking democrats?

    • Posted By: ronbo60 @ 01/25/2008 12:21:15 PM

      If you think that Lieberman is free-thinking, you aren't following the money trail.

  • Posted By: richardquinn @ 01/24/2008 5:48:30 PM

    "The Jewish Lobby"? Seriously? What kind of propagandized, ignorant hyperbole is that? Crack a paper once in a while - or better yet, stop relying on what just Newsweek and Daddy tell you - and you'll find the overwhelming majority of Israelis, and more important, Jews worldwide, want out of this kind of decades-long conflict. The only thing lower than Bush's approval rating is Olmert's. And as for your anti-Semitism: you should be ashamed of yourself.

    • Posted By: davidferdi @ 01/25/2008 11:51:34 AM

      Playing the anti-semitism card??? it figures. most jews say that when people do not agree with them.I not anti-semite
      I AM ANTI- ZIONISM....get it!! I admire jewish culture, and people. I went to a jewish college, have jewish friends.whether you accept it or not, jews need the US ,until we are not a super power to be behind them in this middle east phenomenon

  • Posted By: stout77 @ 01/25/2008 11:47:08 AM

    Potus - I couldn't agree with you more. It seems open-mindedness has been replaced with blind objection to anything that the other party does. It is refreshing to see politicians reaching across party lines to actually acomplish something for us, the voters. The beauty of America is that we can disagree in harmony without throwing rocks or lighting things on fire (in most cases anyway). At least Lieberman has the guts to go against the grain, and the same attribute could just propel McCain into the White House. it must be exhausting for other politicians who have to refer to their party checklist ever time they are asked a question. The partisan politics serve only to create a divide between Americans, which is potentially dangerous to us in the long run. Lets all wise up a little and be the free thinkers that we were born to be. By the way, have any of you anti-semites heard of Stockhom Syndrome? Don't mistake your "open-mindedness" for this very real psychological weakness.

  • Posted By: misterharban @ 01/25/2008 11:24:07 AM

    It sounds like the many of Joe's detractors would be satisfied by dealing with him and with Israel by simply cutting them loose. A final solution by proxy. I am not Jewish and I would have never agreed with the creation of Israel the way it was done. But I am a human being who understands the responsibilities that attend the commitments we make. Make them carefully and then fulfill them fully and with honor.

  • Posted By: coachleif @ 01/25/2008 10:36:06 AM

    Most of you Posters have missed the point and continue to miss the point Lieberman has been making for the past 4 years, at least and IT'S THE RIGHT POINT, THE MOST VITAL POINT for all of America. Two parties, as they currently are constituted and operate, don't work for America. They work only to continue consolidating their power and protecting their vested interests. You have two courageous and intelligent men willing to take a stand clearly for their country, not their parties or personal petty politics. They are to be congratulated and supported -- Lieberman and McCain. As Joe pointed out quite clearly in this interview, with 20 or more MAJOR issues of national concern facing a President or Congressman, a difference of opinion on a couple of those issues is insignificant because they govern ALL of the PEOPLE on ALL of the ISSUES. Of more concern is the candidate's ability to separate from Party Politics and excercise his or her judgement in a PREDICTABLE manner in concert with the best interests of the nation. Giuiliani is a gunslinger, Romney is a chameleon, changing colors with the change of the polls, Huckabee is way too one dimensional, Clinton too hard line Dem and all talk and no action, and Obama is too unknown (hence lack of predicability) and has shown a decided Romneyesque characteristic -- Mr. Chameleon during the campaign. He has also repeatedly hidden from us (I'm from Illinois, Obama's home state) while in the state legislature, by refusing to vote well more than 100 times on issues from abortion to gun control and more. He refused 5 direct questions on whether or not he favored a balanced budget. Mr. Obama is the scariest propostion of all -- a pig in a poke! Although I am an Independent, myself, and will support no candidate during the primary season, It's clear that from his start in public office through today, NO candidate has been as clear, consistent, and responsive to the electorate as John McCain. As for Joe Lieberman and Israel, get off it all you anti-Israel people Posting out there. It has been a consistent, but SMALL, part of Lieberman's public policy life for the entire time he has been in office. You are attempting to plant a Red-Herring here and blow it all out of proportion. You must be Dems trying to discredit a McCain supporter rather than look at the real record. Grow up and do what's best for the Country not for you Party, for a change.

  • Posted By: Cates @ 01/25/2008 10:25:41 AM

    Joe is not a Republican, Democrat or even American. He is a Jew with allegiance to the terrorist state of Israel. American???s need to wake up and smell the coffee. Zionist fascist are no better than Nazi fascist. We should be bombing Israel not sending them aid.

    Lieberman has put his religious interests before his countries. He is nothing short of a traitor.

Reply

Report Abuse

Enter comments if any for reporting abuse