The Morning After

Part 2: While I in no way advocate any part of what happened, nor the way this has unfolded, I would like to point out that there is in fact no proof of these allegations. Now, this is not to say that the creators of this facebook group had anything other than good intentions. Rape is scary and thought of rape alone is often enough to panic many. Jumping to concolusions, however, will solve nothing. For now and possibly forever we will probably not find out whether or not rape occured technically or in the mind of either person. We will also never know whether or not the creators of this facebook group had intentions to slander the young man or protect innocent young women from a percived threat. At the end of the day, all the damage that can be done has already been done, how is a large sum of money or degrading ourselves to poorly worded personal insults going to help make anything better? Is it constructive in any way? What does it do to ensure that this doesn't happen again? Maybe we should be talking about what to do in the future not debating the already-hashed-out past...

You are in fact posting about a fairly serious topic. In the future might you try to use better grammer and post better content than a 5 year who just saw Rambo and discovered the internet.

Part 2: While I in no way advocate any part of what happened, nor the way this has unfolded, I would like to point out that there is in fact no proof of these allegations. Now, this is not to say that the creators of this facebook group had anything other than good intentions. Rape is scary and thought of rape alone is often enough to panic many. Jumping to concolusions, however, will solve nothing. For now and possibly forever we will probably not find out whether or not rape occured technically or in the mind of either person. We will also never know whether or not the creators of this facebook group had intentions to slander the young man or protect innocent young women from a percived threat. At the end of the day, all the damage that can be done has already been done, how is a large sum of money or degrading ourselves to poorly worded personal insults going to help make anything better? Is it constructive in any way? What does it do to ensure that this doesn't happen again? Maybe we should be talking about what to do in the future not debating the already-hashed-out past...

I would like to start out with the fact that I in no way advocate the actions of any of the incolved parties at any time. I think that everything that occured was in poor taste and will create an unnecessarily bad taste in the proverbial mouth of everyone affacted. However, one of the things that makes this country great is the fact that we have the ability to state whatever we want so long as it is not slanderous or otherwise untruthlyfully defamitory. While what happened was in fact slander through and through, I don't personally believe that talking of "stupid bi**hes" getting "stream rollered" is constructive, beneficial or even worth the space on this websites comment board. If your going to respond to a news article you may want to consider using better spelling and content than a 5 year old who just saw Rambo.

wow thaTbishop wowman is a head case a real nancy grace protege ......the guy was never even arrested or charged so there ya go......bishop she WILL be sued and so will her friends that took part in the group ...just like the duke rape case the university had to pay out MILLIONS becuase of those professors who signed a letter against the duke la cross players those chicks are gonna PAY BIG TIME hahaha serves them right more of those stupid bit..ches should get stream rollered for this kind of garbage .

The comparison about a group of people passing notes to each others in front of others is ridiculous. If anything it's just the opposite, it's more like a group of people with large picket signs all sharing their own opinions. Can this be considered slander? Yes. This individual's personal and proffesional reputation is being ruined. Regardless of this individual's guilt or innocence for that matter, it's not our responsiblity to make that determination. As far as having reason to believe that this individual is a rapist, where's is the reason. At this point everything is heresay, there is no real evidence here. It's one person's word over another. I'm not saying that what she claims didn't happen but at this point nothing has been proven except for the fact that this man's name has been tarnished. Rape is a very real and sensitive subject. I went to college and I know, unfortunately, that this happens way too often.

Yikes, why is everyone continually blaming the victim? Why on earth WOULD she be lying? No one else would have known about them having sex until she said anything. And which of her friends would have called her out for having sex with a person whom she had previously had a sexual relationship with?

Only three percent of reported rape crimes are false (US Crime Report) which is about the same as all other crimes. And it has been shown countless times that everytime a female reports an acquiantance rape SHE is the one who is overwhelmingly bashed- so there is virtually no reason to make up such a fabrication.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that the University should have investigated the matter more, though I do approve the idea of a University trying to stop sexual assault on campus where it is occurs at alarming rates. But Shaw-Fox DOES deserve due process.

In the meantime everyone needs to stop assuming that girl is guilty.

Yikes, why is everyone continually blaming the victim? Why on earth WOULD she be lying? No one else would have known about them having sex until she said anything. And which of her friends would have called her out for having sex with a person whom she had previously had a sexual relationship with?

Only three percent of reported rape crimes are false (US Crime Report) which is about the same as all other crimes. And it has been shown countless times that everytime a female reports an acquiantance rape SHE is the one who is overwhelmingly bashed- so there is virtually no reason to make up such a fabrication.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that the University should have investigated the matter more, though I do approve the idea of a University trying to stop sexual assault on campus where it is occurs at alarming rates. But Shaw-Fox DOES deserve due process.

In the meantime everyone needs to stop assuming that girl is guilty.

It was only a matter of time before something like this story happened. Women, sometimes truthfully and sometimes not, have been crying rape without ever bothering to make a formal charge of the fact. And the reality is simple. A man is innocent of rape until proven guilty in a court of law. So, this is a case of women, not even actually connected to the event, passing judgment on something they don't know anything about. There's a word for that...

Slander.

There's no way they can hope to prove this man did what they accuse him of. After all, the girl (not woman) that is his accuser decided to not file a charge. Not even to make a report. She was upset that they had sex and he left to vomit. I'm sure most women would be a bit upset if they just had sex with a guy and he had to walk away to barf. Perhaps her claims that he was pushing her are true. Perhaps not. Funny thing about having sex... once you start, (and notice, in her own claim, they were already having sex before he started being forceful) it can be pretty difficult to know a person is saying "Please! Don't! Stop! " or "Please don't stop!" If she really didn't want to continue having sex with him... she could have been a bit more forceful than just quietly continuing to have sex with him. There's no evidence of rape, even from her own account. Only evidence of regret.

But, rape or no, again, the issue is really about the slander. A court of law can state this man is a rapist. But for a mob mentality to do so... in a manner that harms his reputation, costs him his education, and essentially devestates his life... no. That's simply wrong. It is, in all reality, rape. It's reputation rape. Such an act should be considered just as grivious as sexual rape. And, in this case, it seems there is plenty of evidence that it happened. Perhaps his reputaion was raped. Perhaps not. But this man is smart enough to file charges and press his case in court. Which is where it should be tried.

Things always go out our control,sometimes we have no idea about what we are doing.
That is life.

I am amazed that it was allowed to go this far. Why haven't the Facebook group girls been suspended for their defamatory actions, and it sounds as if the journalist of the paper needs to go back and research what journalism actually is. Whether Morgan-Shaw did or did not rape the big mouth acusser or not is no longer the primary issue, if she had acted in an intelligent way perhaps this wouldn't have happened. Also, why did the campus suspend this guy on her word alone? I agree, sue the pants of all of them.

I am amazed that it was allowed to go this far. Why haven't the Facebook group girls been suspended for their defamatory actions, and it sounds as if the journalist of the paper needs to go back and research what journalism actually is. Whether Morgan-Shaw did or did not rape the big mouth acusser or not is no longer the primary issue, if she had acted in an intelligent way perhaps this wouldn't have happened. Also, why did the campus suspend this guy on her word alone? I agree, sue the pants of all of them.

Ladies, ladies, ladies -- shame on you all!! In days of old, men would slander women on bathroom walls and in telephone booths, etc. It was ALWAYS hurtful, and usually not true. In recent years, we as a society have held men accountable for their actions, and rightfully so. Now, I believe, it is time for society to hold YOU accountable for YOUR actions. Slander comes to mind ... and attorneys ... hmmm, I believe you deserve everything Mr. Morgan-Shaw can get you for. WHAT were you NOT thinking?

This story highlights the most egregious example of character assassination I've ever read about. Mr. Morgan-Shaw should hire the best libel lawyer in America and sue the pants off the University, the alleged victim, the Facebook Group that libeled and defamed him with no evidence, and the Willamette newspaper that perpetrated the false accusations. This whole story is a cautionary tale of false victimization that is

Sounds a lot like the Duke Rape case to me. A rush to judgement by a bunch of femi-facists. Have any of the angry feminist groups in Duram published anapology yet?

This story highlights the most egregious character assassination incident I've ever encountered. Mr. Morgan-Shaw should find every libel and character defamation lawyer he can lay his hands on and sue the pants off of the University, the Facebook crowd who posted the character assassination story, the alleged victim, and that Willamette newspaper for publishing the garbage as well. This incident is disgraceful in a university setting.

By not going to a hospital to have a rape kit preformed and contacting the police to make a statement she has made it the we will never know whether or not she was date raped. I can almost understand her reluctance because she was drunk and scared that no one would believe her. Morgan Shaw-Fox's life is ruined and Caitlyn Bishop, not the alleged victim, is the reason. She and her girlfriends took it upon
themselves to set up a bulliten board on facebook makeing statements against this guy that may or may not be false. Now she's worried about being sued??? I just have to say she better either finish college and get
a high paying job or marry verrrrrry well. If someone is willing to sue McD's because their coffee was to hot ,
then you can be sure that someone is willing to sue over their reputation being torn to shreds. Hell, my 10 yr. old daughter knows that nothing is secret on the internet so why wouldn't a sophmore in college?