go to europe and look at the "real people" they average about 25 lbs lighter then the "average" dorito munching ghoul in this country.
The thin and beautiful have had their turn. The hippest models today look more like the rest of us.
go to europe and look at the "real people" they average about 25 lbs lighter then the "average" dorito munching ghoul in this country.
also, your not being here plainly announces that you know nothing
the "average" weight here varies by designer
in my opinion, it's someone larger than the usual size 0 model but smaller than plus-sized women.
it's ok though, I dip my celery in hummus, not Nutella :D
woman who eat Nutella are amazing and perfect
don't let women look like women, either. little girls forever.
oh and perhaps if your obese left the house to fill out the census....then more of your country would be considered "fat".
lol and since you're so about Europe, then please inform Jeff Walker that his Country inspired Chrismas CD was both surprising and amusing.
LOL
I love when people are discriminate towareds an entire country
yes, I'm sure ALL europeans are perfect.
how bout you seduce the president and take him with you, eh? you can feed him doritos or whatever else food you eat there. ugh.
I'm fine with different shapes and sizes of models up to a point as long as they're fit--the last thing i want to see on the runway is jiggling fat or thighs rubbing together. Looking at 'real' people, well, most people are fat (sorry, it's true). I honestly don't care what size someone is until they start whining and complaining about it (if they're happy that's all that matters). But, when they start crying that models are so thin, that actresses are so thin and I see them eating take-out every day for lunch, it gets irritating. If you're not happy with your size, do something about it instead of complaining about those of us who are very thin.
uh you contradicted your very own words
first you explained that you don't like those models with thighs rubbing together
then you attempted to claim to have "nothing against fat people" unless they whine about it
and I doubt they where whining as they strutted down the runway
so get over it and why the hell are you all threatened by larger people modeling anyhow?
re beige_glitter.....I don't see the contradiction. I really don't care if people are fat, it's their choice. If they're happy, fine, but i've worked with some people who whine about their weight openly and then do nothing--it's like listening to a gaggle of angry geese. Then they get mad at skinny models/actresses. It's as if by openly complaining they're trying to make it 'okay' because their friends are also complaining. See how that can get annoying? I never suggested the models were complaining.
As far as modeling, I'm all for different sizes. Just don't want to see flab--it doesn't look healthy. Just a preference, I guess. You didn't need to be so snippy about it--I'd never thought about it before reading this article. Who's on the runway is certainly not going to make a profound difference in my world.
sorry for being snippy, guess I got "passionate"
hbN
This article sends the wrong message to women that it is okay to be large. I returned from Europe a few years back. European women took care of their figures by eating right and exercising; they took pride in their figures. I returned to Northern California after being away for 11 years to notice that the women no longer look like those in the David Lee Roth video ???California Girls???. I was surprised at how large the women had become. I didn???t recognize some of my former friends because they had gotten so large. I go to restaurants and notice the amount of food that women are eating. At time their portions are much larger than mine with fried and greasy food. The guy next to them is usually thin and the woman large.
I used to be a body builder type, lifting heavy weight for size. I was 235 lbs at 6???1???. I used to eat at buffets a lot yet I was still able to keep from having a gut due to cardio. I decided to drop down in weight to 225. It was fairly easy. I started eating better, stopped lifting the heavy weights and doing the body sculpting type classes at the gym. I was still doing the same amount of cardio. We need to stop making excuses. Don???t go home and look at television and eat. Join a gym by cutting back on some of the restaurant food. Watch television while walking on the treadmill or some other cardio machine.
Yes some of the runway models are paper thin. We need to stop using that excuse to get large or making others. I feel that only 5 % of the women have medical problems which keep them large. However, 85 % or more of them are large.
I am interested to know what part of Europe you lived. I resided in northern Europe for some time, the smallest jean size I saw was a 36'' (they go by hip measurement, very smart). It would be difficult to find clothing there for the size 2 and 0 paper thin models. The average number of work hours is less, and most people walk to the grocery store since it is a more compact city lay out. For many women are husbands often encourage us to eat as much as they do, although they shouldn't. If you want to follow the european model, I didn't find very many gym nuts most maintained their weight by walking and doing chores. I disagree with the statistic that 85% of the population is overweight, I think you must have purchased some very distorted glasses.
It's me again... I spent 30 years of my life in Europe, before I moved to the USA. I used to vear jeans size 30 (Levi's) and I am 5'6" and 123 lbs.
You are right about the layout of the cities. I got my driver's licence when I was 27 years old because I really didn't need to drive. Most of the people walk or ride bicycles to work, to stores, to school...
You are a very slim hipped guy, my husband wore 28'' pants when we first met. He looked slightly ill; he filled out nicely to a 32'' now that we have been together many years. I was of course referring to women's sizes not men's, we are meant to have larger hips.
I think that the reason high fashion is what it is is beause it is unrealistic. How many times have we seen a haute couture dress and admired its beauty while being prefectly aware that it's unrealisitic in the strongest sense of the word. We don't go to the art museum to see paintings we could have made, we go to marvel at the masterpieces because they're such anomalies in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunately, or amybe not, the same applies to fashion. The models are meant to be hangers for lothing to marvel at, not something the average woman could toss on. There is a sense of unreality in fashion for the very reason of if it were realistic, it would be boring. The problem is that everyday women, or which I am one, can't see the difference between their world and the fashion world. Again, with the art analogy. Would you be heartbroken is you bought a paint set and couldn't recreate the Last Supper? The sooner we realize that that void between the real world and fashion is there for a reason, the sooner we can get on with our lives and accept the fact that we were not given that "genetic talent" to allow us to be privy to that world, but we can learn to appreciate it from our place in the world.
Ms. Yabroff,
I applaud your article above and I certainly hope that the fashion and media industries are moving with significant force and subsequent impact toward the rise of real people.
However, after having formally studied for more than 30 years the topic of physical attractiveness, I believe what you are seeing is a momentary or relatively isolated snapshot into human nature and human behavior.
Throughout history we (people in all cultures in all parts of the world) have always valued most highly those individuals who clearly display a level of physical attractiveness or so-called good looks that are a notch or two or three above the looks of average or real people. Accordingly, the average or real people then apparently aspire to those higher levels, and in-turn motivating the purchases necessary to move in that direction and accordingly fueling the dynamics and institutions that employ people in all walks of life that allows the employed to experience a reasonable (and sometimes not so reasonable) financial livelihood.
Gordon Patzer
author of "Looks: Why They Matter More Than You Ever Imagined"
http://www.GordonPatzer.com
In the world of high fashion and glamour, yes, people are tired of too thin, unhealthy models, but there are millions of women that are trying to be just like them. That is why we have lots of anorexic/bulimic girls and women. The high fashion of our society has affected their self-image and self-esteem. People hunger for real, healthy fashion. Every woman can be beautiful in her own way, and there is a goddess in everyone. But let???s not get carried away with this. Fat and flab is neither pretty nor healthy. So, if there are women that are overweight and do absolutely nothing about getting healthy or more beautiful, stop whining.
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"...that excludes, divied, or creates competition among women"? What the heck is that supposed to mean?? That phrase makes NO sense! If it creates competition, then what is it excluding or diving??
There IS NO misogynist excercise, and there IS NO sexual control! NoPatience, you're yapping and blabbing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo bullshit! Maybe the "thin" beauty standard is a fabricated excercise, but the real beauty standard of voluptuous and curvaceous women is simply called Nature, something you're obviously too stupid and moronic to even begin to understand, let alone rightfully accept.
NoPatience is a woman-hater and a body-rejector, and there is nothing more disgusting! There is nothing more sick, more disturbing, and more repulsive than a low life scum of the Earth who hates women, and who deliberately rejects the beauty of the woman's physical naked body. A putrid scum like this can never be functionally intimate with a woman or ever have a successful relationship with any woman.
To Absynthe: I am strongly IN FAVOR of the pre-teen look of models, because in reality, it does NOT contribute to child pornography in any way whatsoever, so you are clearly wrong right there, Absynthe! That's the stupid sexually oppressive American media advertising sex-negative false information in order to put sex-negative crap into people's heads and limit their sexual choices in society, as well as to rob the awareness and education of sexuality from children growing up, which results in making them wrongfully view sex as something negative and something to be afraid of, again, a sex-negative fabrication of the American media to brainwash adults into believing that a harmless depiction of pre-teen cuteness contributes to child pornography. What a load of bullshit. But of course, the degenerate Puritans always over-react at just the tip of the hat!
School-girl skirts, lolly-pops in the mouth, and pig tails are NOT child pornography! Child pornography specifically means one thing: Persons under the age of 13 indulging in real sexual activity in front of a camera to be recorded and distributed publicly for viewing. If that is not happening, then it is NOT child ponography.
wow, realistic minded. I think YOU are clearly the one in need of medication here.
Everyone is going to have their own opinion about what looks good. I'm more concerned about what is being sold in the stores than what is on the runway. At a lot of the stores that most of us can afford to shop at, the clothes are made really really small. I think that's what gets to the teens more than the pictures they see. Maybe instead of changing the sizes of the runway models, or in addition to, they also need to make changes to the sizes of the mannequins.
I do not think they make clothes too small. But I don't think they make pants long enough. I'm tall for a girl and have really long legs, and I can hardly ever find pants that are long enough. And also, at Victoria's Secret, they advertise women with big breasts in very pretty bras, but when you go to the store, they have plain bras for big cup sizes. The A's and B's have designs, lace, and all that loveliness. But screw the anybody over a C cup.
i don't know what you are talkin bout i wear a c and i find very pretty bras in victoria secret you just have to know how to look and the reason why u can't find the size maybe is because the the average size so the majority of people would have already bought them
Well, try finding a DD that isn't a plain, solid color. Even over the net, they don't carry that size in alot of the things I would have liked. I'm just saying, that if the models are wearing DD bras that aren't boring and plain, then they should SELL those bras in that size. And trust me, I know how to shop.
Last time I had a physical I went to see an MD not Ralph Lauren. Health care professionals go to school for a reason and it isn't to sew dresses.
That is gross! I have to look at an over weight woman every night I go home. My only joy in life is hitting the sheets with my wife while the image of some anorexic model is still fresh in my imagination ; )
and a man in her's
Thin women are not the root of all evil, and they are as real as curvy women. A little underweight to a healthy weight would be a good body type. Heavy men and women don't tend to inspire others to think at first glance, "Wow, those fat rolls are amazingly sexy!" They may have great personalities, but in modeling, people are only going to be looking at the clothes and the skin-deep beauty on the runway. I like the exotic looks of the models. It's more eye-catching than seeing the regular-looking people that you see every day. If you want to sell a product, you need something that grabs people's attention. Resorting to the mundane would seem rather boring. If an overweight girl is modeling clothes, it doesn't usually look flattering. It makes me wonder if the clothes are going to look good at all. I tend to not purchase items if the only thing I have to go by is a girl in a badly-fitted outfit.
I'll use small words.
first of all, to be above the weight of a model would not make one "fat" nor have rolls.
secondly, are you a man? are you going to be purchasing any size 4 women's clothes in the near future?
that's what playboy's for...unless those women are too fat for you.
I'm female. Don't bother using small words. Try actually READING and UNDERSTANDING what I wrote before you comment. I said heavy men and women, not "above the weight of a model". Why would buying a size four be bad thing? I wouldn't know what the women in Playboy look like. Not my type of reading.
yes...I did indeed read your previous comment
it seems you assume that anyone overweight has rolls or looks bad in modern fashion. I disagree.
I think most nude magazines feature women larger than supermodels, and it's solely straight men (not gay men and straight women) who pick the models for these.
And yes, indeed, you misunderstood. I am not assuming overweight people have rolls and look bad wearing clothing too small for them. I am STATING that a person that is overweight, which means extra fat, which means rolls (you catching on yet?), is not attractive in clothing too small for them. It does not entice people to buy, much less look.
alright
you catchin on yet that not ALL people bigger than models have rolls?
for instance, the provided sizes that are "larger", such as size 8, usually aren't worn by women with rolls...and rarely do I see a large model (with "rolls) actually wearing an outfit that includes a bearing midriff and such
AGAIN, I did not say "all people bigger than models have rolls". I said, heavy/overweight people do. There is a difference. I'm not repeating this again. If you continue to misunderstand, whether on purpose or because you are not comprehending this for whatever reason, then I'm not bothering with a reply. A size 8, depending on height, can be a normal size. I would not call that overweight. And look at the models in those photos. They are overweight in bathing suits way too tiny for them. It's not attractive. Trying to force it to be isn't going to happen. You can be a confident, pretty lady without having to wear things that are not meant for your body type.
that's true
I think clothes should fit people right for comfort in everyday life, and of course for appeal in modeling
NYC Guy's post is ridiculous. The article isn't about diet choices, it's about fashion and wanting to see models that don't look like emaciated giants. We want real, healthy women with muscle tone, curves, and differing heights. Did anyone here say they eat fried food and cookies all day? Even female athletes are far too big to model fashion. Even Marylin Monroe couldn't model fashion (size 12-16), which is crazy.
NYC Guy's post is ridiculous. The article isn't about diet choices, it's about fashion and wanting to see models that don't look like emaciated giants. We want real, healthy women with muscle tone, curves, and differing heights. Did anyone here say they eat fried food and cookies all day? Even female athletes are far too big to model fashion. Even Marylin Monroe couldn't model fashion (size 12-16), which is crazy.
HEALTHY, is what we all want to see in our models. There's nothing wrong with being naturally thin, or having voluptuous curves, but either of those in extremes is not what we should be marketing to people as something to aspire to. But, what I think blog viewers are really responding to is the inspiration that comes from seeing other ordinary people in unique, personalized street wear. While the fashion set loves the seduction of the fantastical behind editorial shoots and runway, the regular fashion consumer cannot relate to or apply those looks to their everyday wardrobe. As much as I'd like to see someone walking down the street in a fuchsia, haute couture ball gown, the practicality of it is just not realistic. I think the blogging community is inspiring the viewers to express themselves with personalized fashion. Blogs give us examples on how to go about doing that. This is a way we can all become fashion stars within our own element and tastes. ???E. Starbuck, www.eyelashers.blogspot.com
Here's something you don't see: I'm 22 and ex-ballet dancer, gymnast, and high school jock. I spend two hours daily at the gym doing cardio based exercises as well as weight training. I eat a healthy balanced nutritionist approved vegetarian diet devoid of sweets with proper portion control. I drink water, and once a week one glass of 100% no sugar added fruit juice. I am still a size 12/14 and doomed to be that way because of a medical condition that reared its ugly head in college that I am doing everything I can to keep under control. I don't hate skinny people or models, yes some are extreme looking in their thin-ness but that is the industry and as a photographer I understand that. What I want is to be able to walk out of the mall without tears in my eyes because I couldn't find one damn thing that fit. I don't want to have to think about the comments sneered at me by skinny pre-pubescent girls who haven't had a chance to even get to know who they are, but read their fashion magazines so they know all about life. Most of all I want to stop feeling like I am hideous because designers (even main stream ones) don't care to design for sizes beyond the ideal European body types they are so use to servicing while the American body type has been shifting drastically away. I don't think it's too much to ask to see a few real models thrown into the mix every once in a while.
You state exactly what I was thinking. i exercise, eat well, get plenty of water, etc. and because of fibromyalgia I will never be a size 6 again. Shopping is a nightmare that rips self esteem to shreds. Real People should model for realpeople, it just makes sense.
They have regular sizes and plus sizes at malls. It's not difficult at all to find big sizes in stores. I use to have a problem finding things small enough. Size 0's are not easy to find and finding things to fit a girl that is tall is difficult as well. And if you are 22, why are you worried about teen fashion? I think they are catering to American body types (which is now mostly overweight to obese) very well. I don't think the reason you are crying when you leave the mall or feel hideous has anything to do with models or designers. It just sounds like you lack confidence.
there are more of us out there than I think people realize. I think if designers started using a few, but not exclusively, some middle weighted models they could open a very lucrative new market for their products.
OMG!! You are not doomed! If that's the case, I'm living in the Land of Doom with you! I do all the same things, am healthy and even eat twice as much as I should at times (ugh) and I STILL can't gain a pound! I work out and it's easy for me to tone up...but again I can skip eating (just don't feel like a "real" meal at times) and drop 5 lbs by the end of the day. I am not exaggerating....I feel like a "bizzarro-anorexic" because I binge-eat and, sad to day, at times it's to the point of sickness(discomfort not hurl); I just can't gain. Trust me, I've been to Dr.s and nutritionists and they tell me it's genetic (my whole family is tall and thin save a few) and as long as I'm healthy it's something I have to live with. They are right. I don't know either of you but I know we are beautiful women inside and out. We are SHARING OUR PAINS AND FRUSTRATIONS and whether we are full figured or skinny-we have the same complaints. How's that for irony?!?!? ALL the grass is green! HA! Let's just resolve to be our beautiful selves and thank God we are blessed, healthy and have all our faculties. Just because we weigh more or less than another does NOT make us over/under weight...just different, the way nature intended.
I can't rememebr the quote exactly, but it goes like this...... the world has 7 supermodels and 27 miliion women starving themsevles to look like them.. As the mother of a non-skeletal teenager, I'd rather see her eat a bar of real chocolate than a bar of laxative chocolate. Her middle school bathroom has more than its share of anorexic/bulimic girls. Roll on the real women movement. Count me in!
That's just unfortunate that clothes will no longer look as enticing as they do now. Don't get me wrong; I'm a size 5 and though that may "seem" small to you, I barely stand a little over 5 feet so I'm not thin-looking.. The day that happens is the day people will stop having some sort of an inspiration to eat well, exercise and treat their bodies well. Sad. We'll be surrounded by .. yeck. I can't even imagine that day coming. God forbid. God forbid.
God Forbid that everything isn't designed specifically for you and you only, right?
you must be very easily disapponted. I pity that.
wow, and you don't have anything in life but fashion mags?
THAT is disgusting.
there should be so much more to life than criticizing fat people. wait, isn't that why this whole modeling experiment is going on?
it's not all for you, trust me. it's for the hard working, beautiful moms and girlfriends and aunts that want to sport a hip style.
is it wrong? no.
people can lose weight, too. but those models would have to get surgery to get the curves, so yeah.
Yes, "larger" people CAN loose weight so why can I not walk around and NOT see rolls hanging out, unsightly cracks, "cheese" through their stretch pants? Who wants to see THAT?! Do me a favor and Google "fat models" and tell me that it looks enticing. We already walk the everyday life, see the "everyday people" (me being one of 'em) and we've all cringed at the aforementioned unsightly sights so WHY force that on TV's and magazines.
Thankfully for me, I do not watch TV. I get my entertainment from leisure books and hilarious comments like this online!
I also find your comment hilarious, glad we agree on that first and foremost
why are you so threatened by a simple advertising campaign? do you lack booty or have no *** or what?
if you are so opposed to seeing overweight women model, then surely you are open minded and sensible enough to allow others to be opposed to thin models. wait - I didn't say I was opposed to that. imagine that!
so where are you deriving this need to defend the skinny waifs? no one's saying they shouldn't model anymore.
I'm sure you've never watched telivision and none of your fashion, books you read, music you listen to, etc. are influenced by society or the media.
Sweetie, you are too riled up! Go hit the gym and use your energy there instead!
"Threatened" to see curvy ladies on Billboards? When did I say I was threatened? I merely said that clothes will no longer look enticing. As someone previously suggested, don't reply to big words if you can't understand it, ok? Or when you are able to form sentences properly, THEN you can reply to these comments. Until then, leave it to us really "big" people. =)
it really seems that you find this small advertising campaign to be on a much larger scale than it is (haha, no pun intended ;D
lol no, I don't think this is a day I need to hit the gym, but thanks for assuming.
I don't really care if you're sick of my posts. oh no, I've responded to several opinions that I find hateful, rude, ignorant, or inspiring. luckily this is acceptable in such a forum.
I merely think that this campaign was interesting, it's rather unappealing to see such "pretty" girls being so mean to everyone, and perhaps you aren't giving much perception to this subject. all you seem to care about is being rude and pointing out that I am somehow flawed.
also...brilliant one...very few people are just droids that do what magazines say to do.
you might be one, but luckily most women think for themselves and enjoy taking care of their bodies.
What a relief ... the fashion world has begun to look at Average America! But ... let's not relax and over-indulge in junk food and gluttony. Stay HEALTHY ... BE WISE. The people featured in the article are focusing on those of us who are not size 0. But in the same sense, it's obvious they're not looking for size 16, either.
oh, it was you that assumed that women are just "looking for an excuse to be fat" or whatever.
you should stay healthy and learn something new each day.
beige_glitter, who died and made you moderator of this comment board? You've been posting your decidedly annoying comments ALL OVER THIS board. Just shut up for once, please.
no thank you
I think that if people want to be rude and hateful, then most certainly you can stand my opinions
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