I can't wait untill the REAL MEN models come out. That will do wonders for the Calvin Klein underwear ads
I can't wait untill the REAL MEN models come out. That will do wonders for the Calvin Klein underwear ads
true that!
and I must persist in mentioning that "real" is more than this image most of you have conjured
real could be short
people who don't ordinarily model - different ehtnicities
large feet
braces
dreadlocks
etc.
ah, most people do NOT have an hourglass figure, when curvy, patrayceluvdance2007. Many are pear-shaped, as is the fate of most women in my family. Some are more apple-shaped. An awful lot of this talk is giving this size 3/4 gal, who is an hourglass a complex. There IS NO STANDARD for the female body! Let US WOMEN decide what we are, want, and should be - NOT MEN. And we have chosen: variety!
The discussion is model body type. Are you a model? Then no one is telling you how to look.
I'm sorry, were you assuming something about me?
yes.
and the whole point of models is to be a guide as of how to look....duh.
simply "duh"
men have chosen variety as well.
the more intellectual men are not afraid to express their personal tastes in women. it is always different.
This is silly if you ask me. As long as your happy with your body...thats all that counts. If people have insecurities about themselves....then they need to do everything in their power to fix that. But I don't think that models should be banned from their jobs because their TOO skinny. But i do agree, that their should be a mixture of all shapes and sizes on the runway. I'm 5'6 and 148 pounds. So I'm a curvy women and I'm not ashamed about it. Because I love myself and it's who I am. And if being skinny is what these models are...then they should be accepted like everyone else.
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not blah to you dearheart.
actually, I can't effing believe how ridiculous people are acting over this.
first of all, how many of you are models? how many of you pay at least $10,000 a year towards designer clothes? how many of you love someone of a different weight than you? mom, dad, friend, lover?
I hope you tell this to their face, my friends.
get over yourselves.
none of you are perfect, nor are the skinny little spraypainted brooms walking down the runway. they need latex paint, they aren't perfect.
so then "fat" isn't perfect to some of you, maybe they'll spraypaint them. also, if you're thin and wealthy, you've had things your way forever. let others be happy. you don't have to indulge in the new "fat models" trend...don't buy the magazine, keep your ignorant ass out of the clothes, etc.
to each their own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"actually, I can't effing believe how ridiculous people are acting over this."
hahaha! You have taken more than an hour of your time to reply to every single comment you don't agree with and you say "people are acting ridiculous"? I'm actually curious now as to what you look like because you are taking too many of these comments to the heart. If you're one of those "I love who I am; I don't give a fck what you say" people, then why get your panties in a bunch?
To all of those "big is beautiful!" and the like comment, I simply shake my head and roll my eyes. Try that. Grab an Ore
well assumptive one, I've actually kept this open at work and came back to it because I am so disgusted by the ignorant fools that can't even let a few chubby girls have some modeling fun.
if everyone sat around talking about how horrid thin girls look it would be very offensive to thin girls.
everyone wants to feel desired.
I am glad that you are so curious.
I don't like seeing people be rude for no reason, and I will defend that.
thanks for your concern.
oh and if you wanted to try and judge me by my looks go for it. I'm not putting up pictures for approval.
My wife works hard to have a healthy, slim body... and thus earns the undisguised disdain of innumerable perfect strangers who feel they have the right to point and sneer at her in restaurants, in stores, on the street, etc. Almost all of these astoundingly rude people are female...and are never themselves healthy and slim... but are usually clinically overweight and unkempt. But, they triumph by their very numbers. Theirs is now the ideal. My wife -- in shape, clean, well groomed and totally unassuming -- is ripe for ridicule and scorn. As a society, we can certainly celebrate.
I too am athletic, and find that my other "flaws" (lack of a button nose, etc) attract even more ridicue from fellow females, as if they HAVE to find something wrong with me!
that's so true.
everyone wants to be admired
Yes I realy do agree with what you are saying but just because your wife gets her healthy figure from eating right and excersising doesn't meand that everyone that is slim is healthy and that everyone that is a little overweight are unhealthy. I am 17 years old and have played on the girls varsity basketball team at my since I was an freshmen and i work just as hard as anyone on my team but I wear a size 18/19. So does that make me unhealthy? I don't think so. Genetics plays an huge role in things of that nature.
Risha. The point is that my wife would never stare -- much less ridicule -- a person because of their physical appearance. She just isn't made that way. However, I find it incredible that, over the years, 100s and 100s of perfect strangers have immediately felt it was their right to ridicule her in public. They turn and obviously stare -- they point -- they exchange comments and laugh -- because she is slim. It is so bad now that she refuses to wear anything that shows off her great physique -- it just isn't worth the grief. I would not believe that there are so many aggressively rude people in the US -- but our experience has been pretty much the same coast to coast. There was an exception in Hollywood, where we spent several days as tourists and never had one such assault. It has not been true in Europe, where we have vacationed and where she has had no such experiences. I find it sadly fascinating that so many people feel empowered to mistreat a stranger ??? in many cases intentionally -- because that person obviously has tried to do the best they can with what God gave them to work with.
that isn't exactly my struggle, thank god i am naturaly thin and a model. sorry. http://www.spymac.com/details?2335998
yes, you should thank God and thank your parents for putting up with you
its not my struggle, thank god i'm a natural model. http://www.spymac.com/details?2335998
but you don't feel valid unless people actually see and approve of you? lol
you can't seem to understand others feeling the same way though.
too bad everyone can't validate their existence by getting a few gazes from men. if I could, I'd be as conceited as you.
Well said, tim, about making workouts and good eating an important part of a person's life. People who are very fit tend to make it a priority. I run 50 miles a week and eat almost exclusively vegetarian, am 5'8 and 115 lb. You get out what you put in--the harder you work, the more results you will see.
If you are 5'8" and 115 - then you are SERIOUSLY underweight!
is that the answer of a medical prof. or a fat girl?
it's her respected opinion
if people want to always put down "fat" people, then you can take hearing that not everyone approves of an emaciated figure.
Running 50 miles/week and being a vegetarian is probably not the method that I would recommend, but clearly it can work to at least keep you lean. It just goes back to the idea that if you make physical fitness a high priority, you will probably achieve it.
Really, just eating a balanced diet of good carbohydrates, proteins, and fats (and regulating the calories consumed) along with 20, 30, or 40 minutes of "heavy" resistance training (like men have trained for decades) a few days a week is all it would take to get most women leaner, stronger, fitter, and healthier than they've ever been.
Well being veggie works for me (but certainly not for everyone!). 80% of my diet is vegetables/fruit with lentils and other wholesome carbohydrates mixed in--and a little fish for protein. I like the waifish look it gives me, feel better and run faster, longer distances.
Anyway, works for me.
So what are your suggestion for people that genetically are prone to look somewhat heavier then 110lbs?
You people that are workout fanatics and thin always feel like you have arrived in the world of being perfect. How about making a true statement here, the girl with the long dark hair, gorgeous.
Don???t thing that I am overweight and an unhealthy eater. I too am a vegetarian and have a work out schedule that keeps me 5???5 at 145lbs, normal weight for my height.
The whole point of this article was the use of AVERAGE women and men to show off clothing. On a runway is one thing, on the streets is another. This is meant to lend it a more realistic look, because it IS real.
However, so many people are convinced that being obese is some sort of contagion and that the hint of something that even borders plus-sized is a taboo. Get over it.
By making fashion and showing fashion for larger women in no way encourages people to be obese, but to rather embrace who they are. If the same top is offered to people 0-14, why not make the same top for some one larger?
You're not making people want to be fat to wear that same top, but rather, you're giving a larger person the confidence that she doesn't have to wear a muu muu.
By the way, by encouraging people to be tolerant of larger people, it's not going to make you fat. It's not contagious. Being friends with a large person won't make you fat, eating with them won't make you fat, having your clothes on the same rack won't make you fat. Your child finding the beauty in some one obese won't make the FAT.
How hard is it for you to understand this? People are allowed to show off their body, so give them the clothes to do it. I'm not encouraging hot shorts and string bikinis for us larger girls, but clothes that have that same edge of today's fashion. We can be just as passionate about today's fashions as the rest of the world. I'm not fond of wearing out-dated clothes simply because my size doesn't fit conformity.
It's not an issue of fat v. skinny, but of everyone wanting to dress fashionably.
There's nothing wrong with the insanely skinny and tall model showing off modern peices of clothes, but their whole purpose is that of a walking mannakin. People want to see what it looks like of the rack too.
While all of the comments below are interesting I think that we still negate the fact that this isn't about fat or thin. This is about fashion and what sells. In my opinion if I see an over weight woman on a run way showing off clothing its not going to inspire me to buy a design. That is what this industry is about... INSPIRATION. To be better, to look better, and feel better about your self. If we start putting over weight models on the run way what does that say about our standards in this generation. Does this mean that we stop striving to look good, and take care of our bodies? That maybe we stop caring about physical health? Because, after all, being fat means you are perfectly healthy right?
There are certain things that cant be helped. Example: being a certain height, having small boobs, even being made a skinny person. I truly believe that being overweight is a sign of the laziness we have started excepting as a cultural must have. There are certain conditions that can also cause being overweight (ie: PCOS, Diabetes, Cushings syndrome), but allot of things can be prevented from a healthy lifestyle. If working out or eating well isn't a lifestyle for some people, and they just want to be fat and happy then maybe it isn't a good idea for them to be a role model for my children and me.
Its fine me by if we want to get people out there modeling who aren't the standard 5'11" to 6'1". It would also be nice to see people who aren't trying to make themselves into skeletons, but if they are made that way and they are healthy then why not! Maybe give the 5???4???ers a shot. Being fat isn't being made a certain way its a lack of trying. Lets try to keep our role models people who try. Those are people I look up to.
Models should not be short. Runway models are tall because clothing simply drapes on them better. I don't want to see short stumpy models on the runway.
Models should not be short. Runway models are tall because clothing simply drapes on them better. I don't want to see short stumpy models on the runway.
I think that every woman out there should be proud of who they are no matter the size. Self esteam is a big issue. And seeing that someone in this world wants to make it possible for anyone to be a model no matter there size is awesome. Let's face it a size 0 isn't the typical american girl. I was a model once and I gave up on the industry. I hated being probed at and told I need to lose weight when I only weighed 135 lbs at 5'7. I was tired and let the industry go because my self esteem went on a downword spiral. I hope that more of these modeling agencies will see just how much there hurting girls who are any size. I just want you all to know that your beautifull in your own way and don't listen to anyone that wants to critisize you.
so true sweetie!
everyone is beautiful.
just because you haven't spent your entire life trying to get in with a good agency doesn't mean your aren't dazzling
Martin Luther King wasn't skinny, and this month he's getting a lot more praise than Kate Moss is.
this "rise of the real people" doesnt mean for fat people to jump and rejoice(probably cant jump anyway), it isnt about you. quit looking for reasons to feel satisfaction in being fat and nasty....and unhealthy and disgusting. imagine if you just lost some weight, you would "feel" healthier and want to be active. fat people die faster, no need for debate, that simply is whats up. slim, active, healthy people who can actually use their bodies actively will outlive you. plain and simple. being fat is a choice, choose not to stuff your face, it wont make you prettier, it just adds more jelly to your already gelatenous, fat, nasty body. basic review of what we just covered: fat is nasty, quit stuffing your face, get a gym membership, fat is not cool, its disgusting. so the moral of today's discussion: im glad im thin and desirable and not fat and nasty. peace! or for you fat people, piece...of cake! lol..ha ha...whoo...good times, good times...ok im done this time. PEACE!
This is to the posting from Fatisdisgusting: You are a nasty judgemental ***-I would rather be fat then an evil hag like you. At least fat people can diet-you will always be cruel and rude. I'll tell you what is more "disgusting" than fat-self righteous people who look down on other people. By the way I am not a fat person-just a person who has no patience for human crap like you!
yeah I know, close minded fool.
the ONLY reason anyone would need to insult those models is if they are jealous, threatened, or have such bad self esteem they need to put someone down to feel better about themselves.
all slim people are not active
all active people are not slim
and you aren't the brightest crayon in the box
to each their own. and yes, larger people can look quite appealing. that's why yo mama had ya.
I just have to write in support of FATISDISGUSTING. Sure, there certainly are valid medical reasons for weight gain, but the problem with that is that ALL fat people parade that excuse around, but it only really applies to a small minority. I contend that obesity is a mental disorder just as much as a physical one. As long as an obese person continues to float excuses for their weight, they will never make progress. Let's face it: most obese people are so because they have a poor, instant-gratification-centered diet and do not get enough physical activity. According to the CDC, about 30% of American adults are obese. Do you actually expect me to believe that a full 30% of the American populace has a full-fledged medical excuse to be obese!? FATISDISGUSTING's comments may have been distasteful, but certainly understandable when one sees a bevy of obesity apologists asserting that it's a "glandular disorder" and "not their fault" (gimme a break). REALITY: FOR MOST PEOPLE, BEING FAT IS A CHOICE.
You need to be careful on judging others - I'm a cancer survivor - started at a size 6 - my cancer treatment involved a "cocktail" of steroids that made me gain 63 pounds. I actually had an ex-friend question whether or not I should try the treatment if it was going to make me gain so much weight...let's see...some extra weight...or a chance at life...notice I said ex-friend. I stopped the treatments and the weight came off - but it really didn't matter to me - the character of one's soul can't be judged by their size...but by your comments - I know you won't get it...I hope you find a better life next time around.
Just because you're "thin" doesn't make you desirable or active or healthy, but in your case, especially not desirable. I don't even know you and I KNOW that you're ugly. In fact, someone as obviously prejudiced and downright cruel is a heck of a lot less desirable than the midget that weighs 800 pounds. Someday soon I hope you balloon up to 3 or 400 pounds and can finally experience how tough life can be for those people, whether they stuff their faces or not. I went from being a size 26 to a size 6 and it was hard work with people everywhere judging me whether I had a diet coke or a celery stick.. So rather than pass judgement and show just how ugly you are, think a little about how you'd feel in that position.
There are SO many reasons a person can be overweight and sitting down stuffing their face with a piece of cake isn't the only reason like you seem to believe. There are genuine medical problems that cause a person to be large. And for your information a person can be consider "overweight" and actually be more healthy then a stick thin twig you like to think you are. But the average size of a woman is 12-14 not a 2. So before you go around call people names because they are large perhaps you need to feel better about yourself, those who go around belittling others are generally the ones who are unhappy with themself. If you can be happy don't try to bring others down to make yourself look better. Perhaps you should go have a piece of cake and you might feel better about yourself.
Too bad you're such an ugly person...inside and out. Must really kill your self esteem.
Fatisdisgusting....... no need to get mean and nasty. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are going overboard and we would all appreciate it if you kept your rude comments to yourself. It is okay to comment with out insulting people like you have and was it really necessary to post the same comment three times.... come on we get it. STOP the INSULTS PLEASE
i think fat people in general need to realize how many resources they are using and how lazy they are and finally should be eradicated through a sort of "ethnic cleansing" . who needs fat lazies?
Perhaps you have never seen a "fat lazy" (your term not mine) on her hands and knees scrubbing a tub in a hotel, then changing bedsheets, vacuuming a room... only to move 1 door down the hall and do it all over again... 8 to 10 hours a day. You want to know why she is fat? She's fat because she makes minimum wage and lives on a high carb cheap diet of beans, rice and whatever cheap food she can squeeze out of her food budget. She's fat because she has that crappy job. She has that crappy job because she live in a small town near an interstate highway and her job choice are cleaning hotel rooms or flipping burgers. Your attitude is nasty and elitist. May you land head first in a tub of lard . It would serve you right to end it all in a tub of fat.
aw poor little girl.
look *** - either remain out of America, or stay out of it. your problem is solved.
any further complaints can be sent to the .02% of greedy, consuptive rich *** that run the place. not the innocent ones who merely get grouped in as "participants".
ewww. these women are chunky lol. Have obesity and stretch marks become the silent justifiable comforter of desperate fatties?
For christ sake "big and beautiful", "Real women have curves" etc etc are just emotional massage(s) most fat women use to comfort their own disgust. these models are NOT even real models. Sexy, graceful, inspiring all things these fatties are NOT. Any moron can pick up another snickers rather than pick up the keys to drive to the gym.
You want to be fat, fine but try and rub it off as "your intention" or your "pride". Its just as disgusting to Jack and Jill as it is to Tom and Harry.
YOU ARE AN A S S H O L E
kid, if you're so thin, you know how easy it is to be there.
get education and perhaps you won't feel the need to put down things that your close minded comprehension wasn't taught about through cosmo.
And to add - I was a model for Marshal Fields in Chicago, and lied about my weight because I'm a perfect size 3/4. I've been modeling since my 20s, but weigh 125 lbs, at 5'6" tall. I work out, and that's how I kept the slim look, though I am more of a fitness model. virginian is correct - people think they have the right to scorn because of jealousy. I am either called fat, or anorexic, depending on whom you talk to! I'm just me - and I don't eat junk food, because it makes me sick. I personally tell people, hey, have a drink for me - I'm Hypoglycemic, so I have to be careful what I eat every day.
I also am against the pre-teen look of models, because that seems like it must contribute to Child Pornography.
I must agree. this european, 12 years old forever isn't helping things. I wouldn't want to see little girls getting raped. unsurprisingly, younger and younger girls are having babies now.
You don't have to eat junk to be curvy. I eat very healthy and am curvy. I'm 5'5" 135lbs and am very happy with my nice round behind and naturally large breasts that all my girlfriends tell me they wish they had. My husband loves it too. Thank goodness, we're all ready to see a change in the industry for the better.
actually, with my italian/norweigan background I am about as thin as I can get without removal of ribs, and I'm still 135lbs. it all depends on the body type, shape, etc. I would LOVE to be "allowed" to feel sexy, but I do it anyway.
By Nature, there IS a beauty standard, which is the standard of the voluptuous woman, a standard which YOU, NoPatience, have NO CHOICE but to accept and respect, or else you go *** yourself and bury your dumb half-brained stupid body-phobic head in the gutter! But, NoPatience is too f*#%king stupid to begin to understand this! NoPatience is so stupid to actually think that this kind of rational talk is fascist. This kind of talk is NOT fascist. It's REALISTIC!
You call yourself "NoPatience"? Yeah, it's actually the rest of the intelligent, mature, and educated people in the world who have NO PATIENCE for idiots like you! What are you, one of those sick crazy degenerate woman-haters that don't respect the physical beauty of the woman's body?? You sound like one of those filthy subversive religious woman-hating idiots who foully disrespect women by rejecting their natural physical bodies and refusing to recognize their physical beauty for some seriously wrong and psychologically disturbing reason, then pretend to be noble by only addressing what's on the inside of the person, a false degrading concept fueled by low crass sleazy non-physical and non-sexual pseudo-spiritual abstract bullshit!! The highest form of showing respect for women and of measuring the true value in women is clearly by looking, acknowledging, admiring, and accepting the natural physical beauty of their bodies, and the more devoted and more passionate the admiration of the woman's body is, the better your sanity, because that is the only thing that is truly REAL, and there is NEVER any "foisting", any fabrication, nor any negative "misogyny" when it comes to passionately admiring a woman's body!
There is medication for sick demented woman-haters and body-rejectors like you, NoPatience. Go visit a psychiatrist, NoPatience, before you dig yourself a hole you can never get out of.
Apparently, NoPatience is NOT physically or sexually attracted to women, which is part of where he developed this disturbing psychological disease of hatred against women and rejection of the woman's body, which also points to the fact that he is probably attracted to other men physically and sexually.
Like I already said, the only problem here is that the models are too goddamn THIN, and not voluptuous and curvaceous enough, the way it should be, the way the REAL beauty standard is measured by! It's not whether they're thin, or plush, or anything else. Being thin or being more plump or otherwise are NOT all the same thing, and one would have to be really goddamn stupid to think so, because there are differences in how people's bodies are designed! There IS a beauty standard, and the industry is finally understanding what the real one is, the one that is beautiful and healthy at the same time!
So any woman that is skinny is going against nature's beauty standard? If she doesn't have big hips and breasts then she is defying nature? That's delusional.
And the highest form of respect for a woman is to admire and accept their bodies? Women are more than outside looks. That's incredibly sexist.
Also, you are all but screaming your insecurites in these comments you keep posting. Deal with them instead of denying they even exist.
Please Ornot-
You'd make me laugh if I didn't know you were serious. A lot of my friends are all under size 8. However, unlike you, they actually accept people who are large. The world isn't doomed to obesity, it's doomed to be cursed by narrow minded idiots like you. I'm a size 18, I don't look it, I don't even look my weight. There is a difference between being unhealthily overweight, and just being overweight. I can gaurantee you that I eat less and healthier than you, but due to a hereditary thyroid condition, I stay overweight. I played sports in school, I remain active to this day. And yet, the first thing people like you think when they see me, is something like, 'OMG! She's huge!" I'm also beautiful, I have a brain, and I have feelings. Being called disgusting by the likes of you is no longer as hurtful as it was in high-school. Instead, I pity you.
Thank you Diametric! You just said exactly what I have been trying to put into words. I am a size 16 and I don't look it, I also don't look my weight. I actually have a very toned body and a lot of muscle. I am a size 16 and have 0 cellulite. I am not bragging but everyones body is different. Being bigger doesn't make you unhealthy or ugly. It just means you have a little more junk in your trunk. I do not judge anyone by their appearance. Always remember that everyone is fighting their own kind of battle so some of you closed minded rude obnoxious people need to watch your tongues. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and beauty is also only skin deep.
How does your stomach look with a midrift? Or when you sit down?
aw, fat women hardly ever get to feel "threatening"
this is fantastic.
you are obviously threatened.
perhaps there is something more than just a fat woman in those ads.
You don't get it ,What good is it to appeal to people who want to be seen the same as they are? Being thin and good looking is something to strive for not reject as being un-normal.Overweight is not good for you and too thin is not good ,but attracting people to a product is business.Who would buy a product endorsed by Roseann or Rosie Od,if it made made you look like them? If your child is over weight you need to do something about it when I went to school there was a fat girl or boy in class but not a class full of them,where has PE gone in school we went 3 times a week ,no whinning and no excuses for not participating in sports everyone did it.
if they were so good looking, what's with all the spraypaint, petroleum jelly, makeup, hairspray, and superglue?
Rosa, you are spam
yeah, I feel the need to do that too sometimes.
maybe that's why models like feeling desired.
When I see a model, I want her to be beautiful, healthy and fit. If you're not any of those things, that's fine, but then you probably shouldn't expect to be a model.
I'm a 37-year-old male, and for as long as I can remember, women have been complaining that models are "anorexic" and that fat is normal. Ever since then, Americans have been getting more and more obese, yet we still hear about how "unfair" it is that people are attracted to beautiful, fit, healthy-looking people. I always have to roll my eyes at the people who see an actress or model and say "OMG, she's anorexic!". It's not about personal taste, it's about how humans are biologically programmed to be attracted to normal, healthy and attractive mates. If you're overweight, you diminish your own attractiveness.
I can't believe that in this age of widespread fatness in America that we're still having this conversation about how awful it is to like beautiful, healthy people. American need to put away the sodas or rich coffee drinks and stop perpetuating this myth that overweight is normal.
uh...not all celebrities are "skinny", and I think it's fine for a woman to dislike seeing the world completely ignore Karen Carpenter and just "tralala" like it's nothing.
easy to do.
easy for men to decide what's beautiful, too.
so howmany celebrities have you dated, and how many of them were vegetarians?
are you a vegetarian?
are you "normal"?
are you assuming things?
do you feel inadequate to fabio for his muscles and fake colored hair?
please keep your assumptions away from sweet, innocent women.
I am quite healthy and totally too short to be a model, but I still feel inferior to the glitzed and plasticized women - if there's a man comparing me to her and I'm losing.
if men didn't treat me like I was so different than "one of them", maybe I wouldn't think there was something I lacked.
your words included.
There's nothing wrong with people being attracted to something that's aesthetically pleasing i.e. beautiful. On the other hand, using models who are unhealthy in their lifestyles perpetuate the stereotype that you must live as they do to reach their level of "beauty." Unfortunately, this type of beauty can kill. Women that complain that models are anorexic don't do so because they are upset because their beauty can't compare - they are upset that people (like you) seem to expect that they should put themselves in a potentially life-threatening situation (anorexia) in order to be appealing. This is not something that is healthy to either expect or to promote for women living a normal lifestyle.
Ok, most of the models are underweight (and unhealthy) but not everybody who is thin is anorexic. Many of the posts here sound like "if a woman is size 4 she is anorexic". I'm 37 years old, 5'6" 123 lbs (and size 4-6) and I've never starved myself. I eat a healthy diet with a lot of grains, vegetables and fruits, but not too much meat and dairy. I eat chocolate almost every day! I never drink sodas and I never eat fast food. I never work out, but I am very active.
de Crescenzo, I don't think that Nebula or anybody else here is arguing that truly unhealthy, anorexic women should be held up as the gold standard of beauty. I don't know any man who thinks that way. What Nebula and others have pointed out is simply that there is a far more healthy, more attractive middle ground in between anorexia and the legitimately fat girl pictured in this article. The women in this middle ground are the ones who we should look to as the ideal. I would also argue that with the exception of the high-fashion industry, these are the girls doing most of the modeling. Places like Sports Illustrated and Victoria's Secret have actually been known to turn away women who they perceive as too skinny, unathletic, or unhealthy and I think that is awesome. At the same time though, let's not go to the other end of the spectrum and declare fat to be OK.
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