I Am Woman, Hear Me Snore

Posted By: texindie @ 03/09/2008 6:50:04 PM

Comment: You can't understand why successful women have such Hillary hatred, then you're not trying to understand. These women struggle daily to keep their place in the world and to have Hillary turn on the tears when she is backed into a corner, or throw a hissy fit when challenged, or whine when she feels put upon slaps them in the face and cheapens their accomplishments. You can't compete in the world and world and expect to be treated equally and then turn on the feminine charm and expect special favors when things are going bad.
SP

Posted By: kimmer1235 @ 02/13/2008 5:59:15 PM

Comment: Comment: RebeccaT.
No one, let me repeat: NO ONE, gets to the top of anywhere ???on their own!??? All of the men in our political system got where they are through networks in their parties. Why expect, or demand, that Hillary not? And until we (especially women) allow our female candidates to be at least as imperfect as our male candidates, we will end up continuing with the same mostly white male status quo that has been running our country up to this point. Want change? Get real! Get smart! Vote female! Vote Hillary!

Posted By: Deeplyconcerned @ 02/10/2008 5:24:12 PM

Comment: Fortunately the writer Julia got the point. She appropriately recognized that these accomplished and "successful" women really don't like themselves. If you compare the first vital female presidential candidate to your mother and fifth grade teacher it reveals a lot about the writer and about our society. We have so few female authority figures that even intelligent educated women stoop to comparing a woman of authority to a despised teacher or troublesome mother. I couldn't imagine any woman or man for that matter comparing O'Bama, Bush, Romney, Huckabee, Edwards, or McCain to a grade school teacher or her father. As for me, I adored my mother. Hillary does not remind me of her at all. Hillary reminds me of Hillary. A one of a kind woman who has the characteristics of many successful politicians: brains, wit, education, finesse, shrewdness, and toughness. Her personality is not the issue. Shame on any woman who would criticize her for her choice of earrings or the timber of her voice. Her ability to communicate her ideas and to handle the most complicated job in the entire modern world is the issue. I do not agree with her on all issues either, especially how she handled the Iraq war. Yet I would never support a candidate for president that I know nothing about except that he is articulate, charismatic, and handsome. Did we all forget he has two years experience in national politics? O'Bama will definately get my vote. In eight years. When he has enough of a track record to make me feel comfortable with him handling the most powerful job in our nation. It seems women are still so ambivalent about themselves and their own image. One writer says Hillary is disliked for not crying and dieting in public. Would you like a president who crys and diets in public male or female? Strength is an overriding quality in a US President. I admire Hillary for her self-control. Why do we interpret this as "phoniness" simply because she is a woman? In the 1970s, the ERA was defeated by the lack of support of women. If we wonder why women are still hitting the glass ceiling, we have only to look inward. Women are holding themselves down by their own self-loathing and prejudice. Who is ridiculing Hillary for her wardrobe, figure, and marriage? Not men. They wouldn't dare. They don't need to anyway. Women are doing just fine at that job. And we wonder why we are still kept out of the White House, the Boardroom, the Stock Exchange. The more I hear about Hillary Haters and irrational criticism of her personal femininity, the more I root for her, support her, and contribute to her campaign. Thanks to the 30 women who dislike their own gender so much, they would inspire the rest of us to unify under sisterhood. As for me, I was on the fence about who to vote for. Now I know. I will vote for the most qualified and experienced candidate running.
That would be Hillary.

Posted By: Gwyneth30 @ 02/08/2008 5:48:46 PM

Comment: What is wrong with some of you people? Descriptions like "sociopath", "psychopath" and "b**ch"? By all means disagree with her policies, actions she did in the whitehouse as First Lady, or whatever. Hey, I even agree that she seems a little fake and disingenuous. But that is based on my perceptions without knowing her. Using words like the above mentioned is just too over-the-top for someone most of you have mostly likely never met personally. Perhaps it is some of you who have pathological tendencies to have such irrational hatred for someone you do not know.

Posted By: ladystir @ 02/06/2008 10:53:05 AM

Comment: Go Hillary. It would be so nice for women to turn down the cattiness for once. I think Hillary will make a wonderful president. Just give her a chance. We need to remember that women need a chance. We are so unrepresented. Look at the numbers in the justice system, house of representative and senate. We are not represented. Men have excelled for too long on the backs and shoulders of women. We have cut our own throats because a man has charmed us one more time into betraying our own needs. Go Hillary. You can do it!

Posted By: AstridWinkeler @ 02/05/2008 10:29:29 AM

Comment: You know - men are laughing about us. Here is a bright, successful candidate with a huge amount of experience. And we are talking about clothes, hair styles and whether we LIKE her or not.
My experience from the corporate world is: Men stick together if it serves their purpose. Electing a female president would really serve the purpose of American women and women world-wide. But females do as always - picking on each other instead supporting one another.
I would vote for Hillary Clinton if I could - but I am from Germany and so I will be watching from the sidelines.
I really hope you will elect a great president!

Posted By: ombrahma @ 02/05/2008 8:32:00 AM

Comment: Ms Rebecca T:
"no one can deny that the party establishment support which made her into the front runner is almost exclusively due to the political clout accumulated by her husband".

Give me a break. She went to the law school for herself by herself (wihtout Papa's help as Bush did). The establishment saw talent and promise in her only after she proved herself as an able senator. Hillary's husband is but a catalyst. But she has not hung on to him for senatorial power and accomplishment. And do no forget, Bill did not get to the White House without power of Hillary behind him. How many times you women have chosen the path of failure just because you failed to perceive a man in you life as a team member rather than shunning him for your juvenile and idiotic belief that women should acquire power, skill and success on her own (without a man?) Would you say the same thing if a woman had acquired power and prestige with the help of another woman? So, what is the difference? I cannot believe it that you have not allowed the attitudes and beleifs to mature that you probably formed when you were in highschool. How Nancy Pelosi? Do you think she could have made it so far without the help of "men"? Do you feel the same way about her as you feel about Hillary? Why not? If you can answer that question, I believe you may find an answer to your confusion.

Do women think the White House should be the stage for Martha Stewart show? Read some of the articles and you will know what I am talking about.

Posted By: RebeccaT @ 02/05/2008 3:44:32 AM

Comment: I think the problem here is because Hillary Clinton presents us with an enormous conflict. Many of us who have been feminists for decades always thought with joy of getting to see the first female President of the United States in our lifetime. It was the ultimate victory for our cause.

At the same time, though, the candidate we got also was a little too close to the stereotype we had always despised: the woman who achieved a position of power through the man she was involved with. No one can deny that Hillary Clinton is an extremely smart, capable woman and she is probably one of the small percentage of women in this country who could actually handle the job of President. Unfortunately, no one can deny that the party establishment support which made her into the front runner is almost exclusively due to the political clout accumulated by her husband. Also, in addition to the women who are voting for her solely because she is a woman, an enormous part of her base are voting for her because they like her husband.

Many of us have waited for this dream to come true, but we didn't want it to happen in just quite this way. We would have preferred a woman who had made it this far completely on her own - maybe with the support of a loving spouse, but not with the advance cache of power to be transferred. And we aren't sure if getting the presidency for our gender by someone so obviously dependent upon her husband's past and personality is actually more harmful for our cause than helpful.

Posted By: ombrahma @ 02/04/2008 11:16:53 PM

Comment: Now I am curious:
'1. How many of these women are Republicans?
2. How many of them have changed husbands?
3. How many of them have college education at their husband's expense?
4.. How many of them are stuck in the bad relationship?
5. How many of them are stuck in the bad relationship, but hanging on to their husbands for money (but wished Hillary would have left Bill)?
6. How many of them were reminded of a fantasy date with a jock that turned out to be dud or left bad taste in their mouth by Bill Clinton when he was the candidate?
7. How many of them still go to the corner bar to have fun at expense of the time they could spend with their children or grand children?
8. How many of them have ego so big that they think no woman should be greater than them?
9. Is belittling another woman a genetic trait?
10. Are they raising their daughters to be cheerleaders and/or be subservient to men and/or be things to "vow" at (Texas Cheerleader Mom Complex)?
11. How many of them are "Misery"seeking company?

I attended a Republican gathering once. I saw women doing all the dirty work and dishes trying to be the sweetest and the cutest hostesses to all men. How many of these authors were at that gathering, I wonder?

Posted By: ombrahma @ 02/04/2008 8:07:01 PM

Comment: IF HILLARY LOST TOMORROW BECAUSE WOMEN OPTED NOT TO VOTE FOR HER FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THEIR ARTICLE, I WILL CONCLUDE FOR ONCE AND FOR GOOD THAT WOMEN ARE THEMSELVES RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SUBPIRME STATUS IN THE AMERICAN SCENE.

Posted By: ombrahma @ 02/04/2008 7:53:30 PM

Comment: O MY GOD! What did I just read? Is this real? All the struggles and sufferings of the 1960s and 70s have filtered down to (what): self hatred? Hillary is not your mother. But she is somebody's daughter. She is paving a way for your daughters to achieve what they aim for. And you women think this is about sensuality, dresses, wardrobes, and hobbies? Here is the woman who has dreamed and pursued her ambitions. And you women have gall to trivialize it? How dare you? At least I know where will I look when I want a woman to iron my shirt. Pathetic. Just Pathetic.

Posted By: Calico Jordan @ 02/03/2008 7:47:05 PM

Comment: I am ashamed if these women who commented in these essays about Hillary are representative of the feminine intellectual. Their comments actually remind me of high school mentality--petty. Who cares about "turquoise earrings with a yellow pantsuit" as long as Hillary governs with intelligence, wisdom, integrity, and experience? And, as far as Bill is concerned, she shows tremendous patience and tolerance--which is something we need more than ever now. There was a "First Father" of America--A.K.A. George Washington. Now, as my mother said, Hillary could very well be our "First Mother." If our country truly values the family unit, then isn???t the mother an integral part of the picture? But this isn't about sex or race...it's about experience, integrity, and direction. Hillary has all of these attributes. I feel that Arthur Schlesinger Jr. was spot-on in saying, ???why educated and professional women, otherwise intelligent and tolerant, are so unreasonably possessed by Hillary-hatred ??? I cannot extract a clear statement of why they all detest her.??? Jealousy, perhaps?

Posted By: Rinnovato @ 02/02/2008 8:05:10 AM

Comment: QUESTION: Does Hillary's Health Care Plan cover SUICIDE PREVENTION in the United States Armed Forces????

What no one is talking about is the impact of Hillary Clinton's lack of serious judgment. The Army has reported that 121 Soldiers committed Suicide, with over 2000 attempts in 2007. The stress of long tours in Iraq has forced some young men and women to take their own destiny in hand.

Hillary voted for this war... why isnt she apologizing to all parents who lost their children, either by enemy fire, friendly fire or suicide? She would not admit that she failed in judgment. OBAMA knew the war was wrong, and there was no clear strategy for the U.S. to exit out of Iraq when the mission was completed.

THE TRUTH is that Senator Dick Durbin admitted on the Senate Floor that members of the Intelligence Committee KNEW that President Bush and Dick Cheney were going to war on false pretences. John Edwards, who was on the Intelligence Committee at the time, voted for the war as well. You can watch at the following LINK the statement by Senator Dick Durbin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyonYGeyFb4

Some members of the Intelligence Committee voted AGAINST the War. Why wasnt Hillary's eyes open? She admits in the Senate that she SAW the Intelligence reports: WATCH HER HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0

And on top of all these Suicides, McCain wants to keep them there for 100 years? If Iranians, Al Queda or the insurgents dont kill our troops, they will kill themselves. Not to mention that Al Queda was NEVER in Iraq before Bush, McCain and Clinton Invaded Iraq. But all three wanted Saddam Hussien out of Power and they wanted control of billions of dollars in Oil.

SHAME ON HILLARY CLINTON! Part of Being President is being Accountable!!! Take responsibility for your vote to "Authorize Military Force on Iraq" and finally admit that you were WRONG!

John McCain - This time you have left men behind... to die at their own hand.

Posted By: jen_in_cali @ 02/01/2008 10:55:04 PM

Comment: Simple,Jealousy. I worked in an office with 9 women and when someone left the room, everyone starting talking about her. Women are petty and we will continue to be until we start thinking like the good ole boys. Everyone seems so sure that things are going to be the same. How can they be when we have never had a woman president. Just that fact in its self is a change. so until women grow up we will continue to lag and not be taken seriously.

Posted By: jen_in_cali @ 02/01/2008 10:14:18 PM

Comment: Simple, Jealousy. I'm a woman and I've worked in an office with 9 women in it and let me tell you as soon as one left the room the others started in about her. Women are petty. If we all (women) like the good ole boys we would get ahead , but until then we will continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Posted By: j1ggy @ 02/01/2008 9:20:02 AM

Comment: It is evident she is a good ole boy. She loves the masculine ideology. She is a man, father and husband of the Clinton family. The old established males of politics recognize her and respect her intellect and ability to play and compete at her level. The translation then is we get the same old stuff politically we have for the last 20 years; polarization. The pendulum will swing back to the left if she is elected. She doesn't represent change. Her election represents payback for the last 8 years of Bush administration. Bush, Clinton, Bush, ? same old song 4th verse.

Posted By: nurseratchetaz @ 02/01/2008 3:06:56 AM

Comment: MEEEEEOOOOWWWWWWW! CHEEKY, CATTY FEMALES! HILLARY CLINTON WILL MAKE A GREAT PRESIDENT. WHO REALLY CARES WHAT SHE WEARS, OR IF SHE LIKES PETS, blah, blah, blah

Posted By: lazytimewaster @ 02/01/2008 1:18:04 AM

Comment: I think the problem stated in this article can be explained quite simply. The "good 'ole boys" can't stand the idea of a high-powered capable, intelligent, well-rounded, respectable woman running this country. While feminists say they would love for this to happen, their natural evolutionary adaptations make it a hard idea to accept. Women are inherently jealous and territorial. Baird notes that none of the critiques of Sen. Clinton in the book have anything to do with her ability to act as president. They're simply jealous jibes at a powerful woman, Mrs. Clinton. Unfortunately, many women's instinct is to perceive power as a threat. This is the same reason so many women have trouble making female friends. In the words of the famed author, Kilgore Trout, "Men are ***. Women are psychotic."

Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 01/31/2008 7:36:55 PM

Comment: Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi,Benazir Bhutto,Sheikh Hasina,Arroyo M,Srimavo Bandaranaike,..many more.

Posted By: shoo @ 01/30/2008 6:21:29 PM

Comment: To: carmen63

You listen to too much Rush and Hennedy. With your time as a lawyer I wonder where you find the time or your husband have you tending the house 24/7?

Posted By: tdn0024 @ 01/30/2008 3:29:55 PM

Comment: Great self-observation about phoniness of American women.

My favorite example: Elizabeth Dole. When the media fawned over her big convention speeck... ohmigod...that was the most impressive display of American female annoyingness ever. You could make a long living on Saturday Night Live spoofing that lady.

Yep. Mrs. Dole giving a convention speech shows just how soothing fingernails on a chalkboard can be. Everything is relative, it seems

Hillary, not so annoying. Meaning: only phony sometimes. Like everytime she is on a dais an seems to see, again, her best long lost friend for 40 years ago as eyes bug out of her head in emoting-connected amazement. C'mon. Who ya fooling, Hil?

I don't think you can blame men for women's phoniness. Dianne Feinstein was like Hillary's good side all the time. And her name was one of the first of women bandied about as a presidential candidate. Condi and Madeline don't go in for that hokiness. Though one does wonder what, if anything, Nancy Pelosi is smiling about. Or did her face get stuck in that pose after a bit of surgery?

Mainstream US women seem to have a strong need to show false enthusiasm. Phony, phony, phony. And so these writers no doubt cringe when they see Hillary do it.

Look at Mia Hamm's generation of soccer teams. Beaufiful, intelligent, respected women who didn't run around with absurd figure skating smiles posted on their faces. The choice to don the figure skating 'smile' is yours alone. No male forces it.

False smiling is not all Hillary does. And when she not cheesing it up, she's darn solid. Though I guess she knows that women want to see her be phony...so she keeps it up.

American women, knock off the excuses and stop blaming maledom for your uncertainty. Act in a way that reflects what you are feeling and thinking inside. I'lll bet you find women goes just as far, probably further.

It sure beats the alternative.

Posted By: ListeningFirst @ 01/30/2008 1:06:09 PM

Comment: Wait though -- we do judge cantidates on thier looks. The media constantly recognizes and critiques "attractiveness" -- it seemed at some points that this was Edward's biggest selling point. Hillary is a woman, yes, and she will be judged on her looks/manner...just as Bill was, and Obama is, The women raise a valid point -- our gut, instictive reaction may not be the one we're most proud of, or the one that we discuss with our boss over lunch, but it will shape our actions. And the reality is that there are many voter -- both women and men -- who struggle to connect with Hillary. Hillary, as a woman in particular, is expected to connect, to resonate, and personify warmth. And, though she may have slept in the White House before, she is difficult to connect with. It's not about success or experience, it's about an innate sense of relationship that all great political leaders have. And unfortunately, Hillary lacks that.

Posted By: Jack3213 @ 01/30/2008 9:52:02 AM

Comment: Women who wrote this book failed to express Hillarys stand on the issues, as mentioned. The exact reason intelligent women do not like women like this, they can't write intelligantly. Smart women are not intimadated by other smart women, they resent it when a seemingly smart woman says nothing of substance and lies about her qualifications. The louder the voice the less is actually said.

Posted By: newyearbabie @ 01/30/2008 1:08:47 AM

Comment: Julia Baird's observations are dead-on. No one dislikes a successful, strong, intelligent woman more than another woman. However, not all women hate Hillary Clinton and those who do also resent these characteristics in women in their workplaces, their neighborhoods, and everywhere else in their lives. It's a symptom of self-loathing that tells far more about them than it does the women they hate.

Posted By: Lavender Mom @ 01/29/2008 11:11:54 PM

Comment: "The problem is that many of the authors seem unaware of how much support Hillary actually has among women. Roiphe declares, "I have yet to meet a woman who likes Hillary Clinton." How, then, to explain that polling has consistently shown blue-collar women have rallied to Clinton's campaign, along with older women?"

Good point. Really, I'm trying to figure out why Sen. Clinton has so much support among women. It???s as if women think they should vote for Sen. Clinton because she is a woman. As a woman I find that shallow.

I disagree with the whole stupid concept of the book. However, at least they were trying to answer the question. No one wants to give a real answer. Do you have to vote for a woman candidate because you are a woman? I don???t think Sen. McCaskill or Gov. Sebelius think so. I don???t think if the Republicans had a female candidate they would feel compelled to vote based on gender/sex.

The problem/answer is Sen. Clinton leads with "older women." As a woman of a new generation I don't have all the feminist anger. I think this is true of other 30somethings and especially young women. We appreciate the generations before us, but didn't they struggle to free us from being tied to this? Men take us seriously as coworkers and in whatever roles we take on. Older women think this is na??ve of our generation, but guess what??? Boy and girls grew up side by side learning that we are to respect each other based on our talents, skills and what we bring to the table as individuals. Is it perfect? No, but it has changed. Please recognize this or you risk falling into the trap that gender/sex is always an issue. That is so binding.

As a mother raising three daughters, I certainly don't want the fact that they are female to decide what they can and can not do. I don???t want them bound by demographics or categories, ever. I don???t support Sen. Clinton for President, however; I think Sen. Clinton is definitely qualified to be President. The decision for me has nothing to do with her being a woman. She's not the candidate I support. Let's move past these divisive gender, race, and demographic categories and on to the issues.

Posted By: joeshields @ 01/29/2008 8:08:48 PM

Comment: Before you can move a group of people anywhere, you must first be able to passionately communicate the need to move. "We choose to go to the moon", "Mr. Gorbachoff, tear down that wall", "The only thing we have to fear.." "it's the econonmy, stupid" Sometimes, planting the dream in people's heads is all it takes... then sit back and watch the magic. Watch 401ks skyrocket again. Watch smart people invent new low emission vehicles. Watch how easily concensus can be reached on a health plan that meets our needs at affordable costs. It's amazing what a true leader like Barack Obama can do. All we need to do is grab for that ring before it is too late. Some people are foolishly thinking they can have their Hillary now and their Obama later. Not so. No more than voters could have their Adlai Stevenson later, election after election. If you think Obama will be useful at some point but not now... think again. It is now, while the iron is hot that we must strike. Don't be foolish. Don't settle for bronze now and let gold slip through your fingers. We can't afford bronze right now.

Posted By: EE7011 @ 01/29/2008 4:58:16 PM

Comment: Hillary Clinton is an educated woman who has her own thoughts/opinions and isn't affraid to express them. She obviously has goals, hopes, dreams etc and these qualities are important for all women to have. Remember "People with no hopes are easy to control."

Posted By: mscarr1 @ 01/29/2008 3:14:51 PM

Comment: Liking Hillary has less to do with her lack of clothing style and the brashness of her speaking voice than it does with her politics. I simply don't like her politics - period. If she were a man - and had the same political viewpoints - I wouldn't like him either.

Posted By: let it be @ 01/29/2008 3:06:29 PM

Comment: Clinton's campaign is exciting, pure and simple. She is making history, and for that she will assuredly be villified. If it is true that other successful, powerful women are threatened by her (and I don't know if that's truly the case -- how could that be gauged adequately), than perhaps it is mere jealousy. Women tend to be threatened by the notion of their power and of actually exercising it, for many reasons too complex for this little box. My sense of Clinton (and I think she would make a terrific president) is that she would be a welcome breath of fresh air to a country in desperate need of it. The questions of sex and gender will remain throughout her campaign, but she is smart enough to know what she's facing and to rise above it. I admire you, Hillary, and I am a 35-year old woman who continues her own journey towards owning my power. I hope you will use yours wisely.

Posted By: Rebozo999 @ 01/29/2008 1:46:03 PM

Comment: I am not a fan of Rush Limbaugh, I find him too biased. But his comment about "Americans don't want to watch a woman grow older in the White House," was not a criticism of Hillary Clinton--but a criticism of America's superficial values. By clearly quoting Limbaugh out of context and reversing his intent, I wonder if author Julia Baird is just as biased.

Posted By: elisa32 @ 01/29/2008 12:10:02 PM

Comment: There is nothing wrong with political ambition. Doesn't she deserve a chance to make a point on what she wants to do about the country just like the other candidates? She is not perfect, none of us are, and she had her reasons (one day to run for the presidency?) to stay with Bill after he cheated on her. I don???t think it is any of our business what she chose and why, she was the one cheated on. If she was a man, nobody would be commenting and comparing her to their preschool teacher. I like her, she is strong and she has to be in order to be the President. We can not have it both ways, where she has to show she is a woman... showing emotion and talking about her hair and get criticized for that, and show that she can be strong and pushy and direct and get criticize for that as well. She could be the first woman President of the United States and just for that she could make history. Unfortunately we fall into the typical stereotype of us women not supporting each other. She deserves the chance to give it a try at doing something great??? just like everyone else.

Posted By: sky123 @ 01/29/2008 3:15:28 AM

Comment: I am a strong, independent, hard working woman with my own business. I have two children and a loving supportive husband. My husband is quite successful, but I make more money. Therefore, I am not jealous of the Clintons and I don't want what she has. I have more than enough. That being said, I will never, ever vote for Hillary Clinton. She is not to be trusted. If Hillary mouth is moving, she is lying. She and Bill are perfect for each other.

Posted By: Jen1960 @ 01/29/2008 2:08:06 AM

Comment: I'm a 47 year old white women and for the life of me, I don't understand what women see in Hillary Clinton. Here's whhat I see...a women with a great amount of self-esteem who stayed with a serial cheater so she could further her own political ambtions - it's as transparant as everything else that comes out of her month.

And for the record, Senator Obama does not lack experience. He has more legislative experience than Hillary. Her claims of "35 years of experience" just isn't true (she's counting back to when she was 25?? What the heck experience did she have at that age to become President??.) She is compentent and smart, but also a liar and a person who is so polarizing that she will split the Democratic party in two. How many times do people have to reminded of all the scandals and coverups of her husband's administration? Travelgate, the health care debacle, the "vast right wing conspirarcy"? And if you don't think HIllary knew all about Monica, I have a bridge I'ld like to sell you. This women won't admit to anything she's done wrong. The attacks she and her husband orchastrated in South Carolina show just how they will do anything to get back into the White House. I guess it doesn't bother people that she used Bill to out and out lie about Obama's record. Obama brings a sense of hope and decency and REAL change to the country. I've voted Democrat all my life, if Hillary wins the nomination, I simply will not vote in the general election. It may not mean much, but at least in my own mind, I can rest easy knowing I did nothing to help Hillary get elected.

Posted By: Jen1960 @ 01/29/2008 2:02:46 AM

Comment: Senator Obama does not lack experience. He has more legislative experience than Hillary. Her claims of "35 years of experience" just isn't true. She is compentent and smart, but also a liar and a person who is so polarizing that she will split the Democratic party in two. How many times do people have to reminded of all the scandals and coverups of her husband's administration? Travelgate, the health care debacle, the "vast right wing conspirarcy"? And if you don't think HIllary knew all about Monica, I have a bridge I'ld like to sell you. This women won't admit to anything she's done wrong. The attacks she and her husband orchastrated in South Carolina show just how they will do anything to get back into the White House. I guess it doesn't bother people that she used Bill to out and out lie about Obama's record. Obama brings a sense of hope and decency and REAL change to the country. I've voted Democrat all my life, if Hillary wins the nomination, I simply will not vote in the general election. It may not mean much, but at least in my own mind, I can rest easy knowing I did nothing to help Hillary get elected.

Posted By: dsglick @ 01/29/2008 1:43:06 AM

Comment: I am a man in my mid-forties and I will vote for Hillary next week in our stat'es primary. I like Senator Obama but I truly believe he is lacking in experience. To compare Senator Obama to JFK is silly. JFK had 14 years of experience in Congress before he was elected. If Hillary were a man we would not be hearing some of the criticisms that have been levelled against her. She will make a strong President and my wife and I will both be voting for her next week.

Posted By: mintchip @ 01/28/2008 11:57:09 PM

Comment: I am a 33 year old woman, a teacher, an immigrant, a single mom, and I really like Hillary. I don't have to be in love with her, I just have to vote in a competent, smart person to be in the White House. Why do you have to love or hate her? This is the first post or comment I have ever written in because I was touched by the idea that women just don't speak up. I am tired of turning on the news and seeing men talking, giving their opinions, with only few perspectives on the world. I, like many other women, am just too busy to speak up. I complain and rant to my friends and family, but I want to voice my opinion. One way I plan on doing that is by voting for Hillary.

Posted By: Traci5 @ 01/28/2008 9:44:19 PM

Comment: Hillary Clinton is a liar She is a phony. She is dishonest. That is what I think of Hillary Clinton. I am a woman. I am 52. I am more liberal than not, I am registered Independent. I do not trust Hillary Clinton because of her dishonesty and lies.

Posted By: sheilab @ 01/28/2008 9:03:01 PM

Comment: I don't like Hillary because I don't believe one word she says. I simply find her unbelievable and dishonest. People talk about her passions for health care and women's and children's issues, but I don't by it. If she were so passionate about these things then why hasn't she become the mommy issues candidate after seven years in the senate and eight years as first lady? Hillary has spent the last seven years trying to prove to republican male colleagues that she is just as tough as they are on matters of war and military force. I find the only thing Hillary is passionate about is her own ambition. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman being ambitious but there is an unseemliness about Hillary's sense of entitlement and expectation that women should vote for her simply because they are women. For me her candidacy started off on the wrong foot. She should have reintroduced herself to America the way she did to New Yorkers. Instead of listening she told us what she was going to do and any woman who wasn't on her train hated the sisterhood. She reeked of entitlement. Whether it was threatening donors who wanted to make contributions to other candidates or her rivals who she never saw as candidates she had to engage with, but people who were wasting her time by having the nerve to run for president when she saw herself as the democratic standard bearer. Hillary is going to be a disaster as the nominee for the democrats. Obama will almost certainly lose, but I believe Hillary is going to be absolutely humiliated in the general election. Her strategy is appalling and it is only going to lose what soft support she has.

Posted By: sheilab @ 01/28/2008 9:02:39 PM

Comment: I don't like Hillary because I don't believe one word she says. I simply find her unbelievable and dishonest. People talk about her passions for health care and women's and children's issues, but I don't by it. If she were so passionate about these things then why hasn't she become the mommy issues candidate after seven years in the senate and eight years as first lady? Hillary has spent the last seven years trying to prove to republican male colleagues that she is just as tough as they are on matters of war and military force. I find the only thing Hillary is passionate about is her own ambition. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a woman being ambitious but there is an unseemliness about Hillary's sense of entitlement and expectation that women should vote for her simply because they are women. For me her candidacy started off on the wrong foot. She should have reintroduced herself to America the way she did to New Yorkers. Instead of listening she told us what she was going to do and any woman who wasn't on her train hated the sisterhood. She reeked of entitlement. Whether it was threatening donors who wanted to make contributions to other candidates or her rivals who she never saw as candidates she had to engage with, but people who were wasting her time by having the nerve to run for president when she saw herself as the democratic standard bearer. Hillary is going to be a disaster as the nominee for the democrats. Obama will almost certainly lose, but I believe Hillary is going to be absolutely humiliated in the general election. Her strategy is appalling and it is only going to lose what soft support she has.

Posted By: andyville @ 01/28/2008 8:47:24 PM

Comment: bottom line is when bill was prez, she started screaming about how she was going to fix health care, eight years later, she did way more harm than good.
the last 20 years the prez's name has been clinton or bush and why extend their mismanagement for at least 4 or possibly 8 more years

Posted By: S. Elliot @ 01/28/2008 6:35:11 PM

Comment: The authors of this book, successful and ambitious women themselves, are jealous of another successful and ambitious woman who may trump them all. This jealousy bordering on irrational hatred is really nothing more than women's sexist prejudice against themselves, and is what held women back in the past. It is incredibly unfair to undermine her strength as a politician because she is a woman. All these women criticizing her should get together and exchange cherry pie recipes with their role model Laura Bush. They should walk obediently behind their husbands, smile politely as "proper" housefraus should, and keep their catty opinions to themselves.

Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 01/28/2008 2:43:10 PM

Comment: Whether or not we have a female President isn't the driving force behind the hatred of Hillary. People, specifically women, hate Hillary because they can sense the pure evil in her. She is not a forthright person, to put it nicely. Every woman I've come across in Colorado is deathly afraid of Hillary and what she would do to destroy our nation if elected President. Hopefully she will never make it that far.

We should all, however, write letters to Laura Bush and beg her to run for President. She would be perfect.

Posted By: doctorfixit @ 01/28/2008 12:31:08 PM

Comment: Rush Limbaugh never said he thought Americans don't want to watch Hillary growing even older - he asked whether they would or not. It was a question. It's beyond debate that many more women than men vote for candidates based on appearance and other superficialities. That's OK - an intuitive approach. And that's the Hillary turn-off factor - maybe you can't put a finger on it, but it's like fingernails on a blackboard. Beside the fact that she's a radical marxist manhating feminazi liberal fascist, she's rather offputting, like a fart in a crowded elevator.

Posted By: doctorfixit @ 01/28/2008 12:29:36 PM

Comment: Rush Limbaugh never said he thought Americans don't want to watch Hillary growing even older - he asked whether they would or not. It was a question. It's beyond debate that many more women than men vote for candidates based on appearance and other superficialities. That's OK - an intuitive approach. And that's the Hillary turn-off factor - maybe you can't put a finger on it, but it's like fingernails on a blackboard. Beside the fact that she's a radical marxist manhating feminazi liberal fascist, she's rather offputting, like a fart in a crowded elevator.

Posted By: bustermorrison @ 01/28/2008 10:49:32 AM

Comment: I support Hillary, she can do the job. Her clothes, the tone of her voice, her personal difficulties in her marriage do not affect her ability to get the job done. I take the Clinton campaign very personally. If she is not elected, this will be a hypocritical reflection that the Democratic party is the party of the glass ceiling.

Posted By: MG1220 @ 01/28/2008 10:12:48 AM

Comment: "So not all women think the same way. It's just that some voices are a lot louder than others." This is very true. Even in the blogs I guess. Those who have a fiber of meanness and negativity in them usually have a "louder" voice -- they write long and they usually pile on. Beyond personalities - It would be more universally significant to elect the first woman president of the strongest nation in the world. Why? because gender transcends beyond race and culture. But there is much more that can be said about Hillary: ??? restoring her marriage that mirrors her capacity to heal a nation???s wounds; ??? raising a decent daughter that mirrors her capacity to restore respectability to America; ??? showing personal strength and discipline that mirrors her capacity to be commander-in-chief; ??? keeping generational bonds in the family that mirrors her capacity to inspire bipartisanship.

Posted By: gommy goomy @ 01/28/2008 8:29:11 AM

Comment: I'll never understand you libs, Julia. You have eyes, yet you do not see. You have ears, but you refuse to listen. Maybe, just maybe, most women see this creature for what she is. A lying, theiving, manipulative psycopath, who would do and say ANYTHING to achieve her goal of ultimate power. SHE'S A B*TCH. She has NO FRIENDS. Haven't you wondered why so many of her "colleagues have come out for Obama? Why would they do this? How can this be? Do a little research, Julia. Not every woman is a cult following, card carrying, kool aid drinkig member of Sycophants For HillBilly. Just you.

Posted By: valsrich @ 01/28/2008 7:55:21 AM

Comment: I am wondering what kind of women who write books, make money and normally think intelligently, can possibly find any reason to consider liking HRC, much less consider her for the job of the President of the United States. She is a sociopath. She is a crook. Remember, that wasn't just Bill doing ALL the crimes committed while he was in the White House. They are a TEAM. She is probably more evil than the average sociopath as she doesn't appear to have any feelings at all and the only reason she attempts to show feelings for herself or others is when it is politically advantageous. Women that look to Hilary and make remarks like "she wore blank earrings with blank pants", or she "stayed with Bill" or "she changed her maiden name" have their brains on hold. As a woman, I find your article insulting. I could care less about her wardrobe, her wrinkles or her "d---" husband. I could care less if she is a feminist or a lesbian, and I certainly don???t give a hoot if she is on a diet. What I care about is my country and I don't see any good for it with HRC at the helm.

Posted By: knudt @ 01/28/2008 6:03:26 AM

Comment: I think we don't like Hillary because we know that she is not really the embodiment of feminism. We know that she did NOT really get where she is on her own merits, but on on Bill's greasy coattails.

Posted By: clayusmcret @ 01/28/2008 5:38:36 AM

Comment: I think if you could get these women to talk honestly over a drink for an hour or two (whether tea, wine, bourbon or scotch...doesn't matter) they would finally get around to the fact that they can't stand Hillary because she stayed with Bill after he was unfaithful or worse; time and again and again and again. When the affairs and the charge"s" of rape, or at least coerced sex came out over and over, they had to bite their tongue (talking about the NOW women) because "she" took his side. Now (no pun intended) that he's back because she's back, they can't openly say how much the two of them disgust the NOW ladies and why. So they come up with every reason but the real reason. She (Hillary) did the worst possible thing. She enabled someone they would have otherwise openly hated, and in this case rightfully so.

Posted By: DevilDog0502 @ 01/28/2008 2:44:16 AM

Comment: I am a woman in the military. Being outnumbered 50 to 1 can be overwhelming. We women need to learn how to support one another. The more we bash each other the more men think they can too. Hillary Clinton has had to make some very public choices dealing with her private life. I can't imagine having the entire nation know every detail about my husband cheating on me.

I don't think anyone should vote for any candidate just because she is a woman or because Obama is black, but I do think we need to judge each one of them on their own merits and pick the person who we feel is best suited for the presidency. A book where 30 female writers bash another woman shouldn't even be called a book, that's called a gossip magazine. If you dont like her, then dont vote for her, but dont pretend to know her. Dont act like you have the right to judge someone based on media reports. Everyone, man or woman has done something they are not very proud of, everyone has a skeleton in their closet, just because your closet hasnt been opened for the world to see does not make you any better or worse than Hillary Clinton.

Posted By: EddieJohn @ 01/28/2008 12:28:03 AM

Comment: Hillary will win. Go Hillary!!!!

Posted By: Joanne in Indy @ 01/27/2008 10:43:53 PM

Comment: Oh brother... I'm a 57 year old college educated woman. The fact is I will not vote for Hillary. I'm insulted to think I should feed obligated because she fulfills some sort of ideal of what the modern woman politician. I judge her no differently than I would a male candidate. I vote for whom I consider the best candidate PERIOD!

Posted By: wunderkont @ 01/27/2008 9:49:03 PM

Comment: She's dishonest.
The only thing more snore-worthy than that book is this article.

Posted By: chotii@oz.net @ 01/27/2008 8:30:25 PM

Comment: I hate the thought - and I keep having it - that people will vote for Hillary out of some sort of twisted sense of 'balance' or 'fairness' or 'Equal Opportunity. We know what she is, what she's willing to do, and take. Dirty money? It only got given back once the press got wind of it. A history so crusted with things that would get 'normal' people in jail - like mysteriously disapearing documents? How about her brother's remarkable presidential pardon? I'm sure she had nothing to do with that.

I wouldn't touch her with a 50' barge pole. Not because she's a woman. But because she disgusts me. No, I don't think she's a whole lot worse than most politicians....but being endowed with female secondary sexual characteristics doesn't make her a better one, either.

Posted By: mzzim@hotmail.com @ 01/27/2008 7:45:17 PM

Comment: But they can get the job done.... All this stuff people criticize Hillary about is nothing to what she can do for this country. This country is in dire straits I want someone in there who can get the job done. Obama? He loses papers on this desk. And it doesn't sound like he knew how to vote in the Senate.. when he was there for one whole year before he decided he was presidental material. Say what you will but we know that Bill balanced the budget. Hillary doesn't talk in generalizations like Obama does. HE doesn't tell me a thing. Promise, hope, together ness.. ? What's that? Tell me exactly how to plan to give health insurance to everyone and bring jobs back. Hillary as told us her speicific plans. Forget the minor fussing stuff and think about the serious issues. This country is slipping down the tubes as we help build China, India and other developing countries by giving them our jobs and by borrowing trillions of dollars from China. We need Hillary to clean up this mess that G. W. made. And we sure do not want another clueless president.

Posted By: rhaven @ 01/27/2008 7:09:05 PM

Comment: You can micro-analyze Hillary all you want and be wasted in the sheer effort. But come on, if Dubya can be elected twice, I would not think once before putting a stamp in her favor. All we need to find a vice-president. Oh wait, we can count on Billy boy.

Posted By: rhaven @ 01/27/2008 7:08:51 PM

Comment: You can micro-analyze Hillary all you want and be wasted in the sheer effort. But come on, if Dubya can be elected twice, I would not think once before putting a stamp in her favor. All we need to find a vice-president. Oh wait, we can count on Billy boy.

Posted By: Kaelinda @ 01/27/2008 6:40:24 PM

Comment: I'm one of those people who will vote Republican if Hillary is nominated by the Democrats. Why? Because she is unethical and just a bit dodgy - like her husband. When she was caught taking money from the Chinese to fund her campaign, she just gave it back and thought America would forget her sellout. And she did it twice. If she is elected, Bill will be co-president - he can't help it; his ego is almost as big as this entire solar system. She was co-president when Bill was in office, and I think she'll return the favor. She's dishonest - saying that Obama was a slumlord in Chicago, for example - and she's shifty and sleazy. I wouldn't vote at all if she were the only candidate running.

Posted By: WomenOnGuard @ 01/27/2008 6:08:36 PM

Comment: I think that the authors are just trying to be too perfect. No one in this world will be perfect enough for them. Clinton supports policies we approve of and she has the background in government to make it happen. What more do women want? One thing I'm sure of, she will a lot better than the person who holds the office now! If she doesn't show much feelings, I think it is because let's face it, Americans don't want a cry baby woman leading the nation. Especially since this is a world run by men!

Posted By: cappie @ 01/27/2008 4:46:39 PM

Comment: I have to agree with this article. Of the male and female bosses I've had, the men had all the advantages of the good old boy fraternity (while the business suffered). The women were much better at getting the job done, but they weren't well-liked. How curious it is that women so often despise other intelligent, ambitious, successful, powerful women. Is it jealousy? Suspicion? There's really no need for the male candidates to attack Hillary, women will do it for them. One step forward, two steps back for enlightenment and change.

Posted By: mtwilkins @ 01/27/2008 3:29:29 PM

Comment: I am one of the people who just never liked the Clintons. Their past shady dealings, the lies and cover-ups have just been too much. I feel they are simply power-hungry and manipulating, driven to win at all costs. Hillary is shameless and will pull any trick in the book to succeed. This run for the White House has been planned since before they left it 8 years ago. How can you trust or respect people like the Clintons, who don't respect themselves or other people? I would never support her/their run for public office. We need some integrity back in our country's administration.

Posted By: lebaugh @ 01/27/2008 3:04:22 PM

Comment: Hillary is a woman driven to succeed, to be the best, the be the first. To be what her father demanded and exemplified. This mentality was implanted in her formative years and she can't change. Unlike a man with the same mentality, she also employs the tricks of the wily female, one who has had to resort to tears, smiles, manipulation, threats, etc. to get her way because she wasn't physically strong enough or didn't have enough testosterone warbling through her body to FORCE obedience. I've seen many women this way. My former boss is just such a woman. Although my boss did accomplishe a great deal, her motives and drives were of a different agenda. I did not trust her. Beware Hillary. When she went toward Chris Matthews to hug him, there was a glint of evil in her eyes and it wasn't just the bright lights.

Posted By: Cotton Candy @ 01/27/2008 1:17:05 PM

Comment: I liked Hillary untill she and her husband pulled the race card. I'm sorry they did that. I would not like to see her in the White House for that reason alone. The Clintons come with too much baggage to ever be allowed back as President and Co- President.

Posted By: springsjulie @ 01/27/2008 9:34:25 AM

Comment: Most people seem to have a problem w/ the fact that Hillary chose to stay w/ Bill after the sex scandal. That was her choice; we'll never know all the reasons. Would more women support her if she had kicked Bill to the curb the moment they left the White House? It's none of our business, nor should it factor into her abilities as a leader, why she's still w/ Bill. I admire her for being tough-minded and independent when it comes to politics. Were she a man, the press would be falling all over her, telling us how strong and decisive she is, not to mention how intelligent, which is the main ingredient lacking in the current resident of the White House.

However, I do think Hillary needs to muzzle Bill. I think he probably hurt her chances in SC (which is not to take away from Obama's huge win--good for him!) by being so negative towards Obama, particularly in a state where half the voters are African-American. Not a good plan. Hillary and Barack are both smart, capable, caring people--just run a clean race by talking about the issues, not each other. We don't need any more divisiveness in this country--the Republicans have done a bangup job of creating that very atmosphere over the past 12 or 15 years. It's time we all pulled together, put aside our petty differences, and get this country back on track, both here at home and in the world. I want to be proud to be an American again, not embarrassed! I fear that with the current Democratic atmosphere of division, we appear to the world to still be mired in the past, and more concerned with "should we vote for a black man or a white woman?" than with just choosing the person who can best lead us out of this mess we're in. Decide with your heads, people, not your prejudices!

Posted By: dilanj @ 01/27/2008 1:46:50 AM

Comment: At the beginning of this race somebody ask me what I personally think of Hillary and I replied "I'd marry her!".
Today after keenly following the story so far, I'd say "I'd still marry her, but I know why I won't vote for her".
As a 25y/o college grad male I think Hillary is that girl every male feminist wants to be with; strong, independent and intricate. Yet she's what I think any nation should loath to make its leader; divisive, guileful and egoistic. It???s almost bizarre when even being a democrat, a libertarian and a hardcore feminist the way I???d rather trust McCain for presidency of the nation before I???d trust a person I won???t mind sharing my life with to provide the same leadership and inspiration. So for me it has nothing to do with her being a woman.

Posted By: AppleAtticus @ 01/27/2008 12:53:39 AM

Comment: I am a 24 year old woman, and I absolutely love and adore Hillary Clinton. I think she is a woman to look up to and a woman to be admired. I'm not quite sure why these women who wrote this book don't seem to like Hillary, it doesn't make sense to me, but the facts are they took the time to write an entire book about her, so I think that says a lot. She's on everyone's minds, and that in itself is a great thing. She is a modern, 21st century lady.

Posted By: Charles_BCCA @ 01/27/2008 12:38:12 AM

Comment: I was a fan of Clintons and hoped she would one day win the Whitehouse. I was thrilled when she declared her was running for the highest office. Recently, however, I am disgusted by the Clintons playing race card against Obama who has a very inspiring message of change and reconciliation between the races. This is so wrong and divisive that will hurt race relations for decades. Both, Bill and her, should be ashamed of themselves. How do they face their young daughter or look in the mirror? Have they no shame?

The other day Hillary asked Obama where were you ??? perhaps she should tell us where she was when good old Bill was being sexually serviced by a young intern little older than her own daughter? Any CEO of any corporation for a similar conduct would have been summarily dismissed for such conduct

Posted By: lroddublin @ 01/26/2008 11:23:45 PM