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  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 8:25:31 AM

    Hey LDS guys-Hows that DNA testing of Native Americans coming along? And how many dead JEWS have ya'll baptized lately? I know you want a relationship with GOD. Well, get your head out of the sand and leave this perversion of the truth. JOE SMITH and his "angels of light" have deceived you.

    • Posted By: jeffreyhunt @ 02/01/2008 6:05:15 PM

      Hey all you LDS guys does this sound familiar in our history..... Those who linched and killed Joseph Smith said the same thing............SCARY

    • Posted By: Johnattan @ 01/30/2008 10:27:07 AM

      If you want to know about shoes, you ask the shoe maker, right? Please, do a little more of reseach, but not in non LDS books: those will always lie about LDS people. I invite you to visit our congregations and read our literature, and then make your conclusions. It is so easy to badmouth a person or an organization, but it takes time (which seemingly you don't have) and insight to search for the truth. Please, don't ashame yourself by making this huge display of ignorance. May be Joseph (not JOE) Smith deceived LDS pepole (and if he did, I have to recognize and congratulate his memory, because this has been one of the everlasting tricks to deceive people in the history of human kind, and if thus he did, for that he deserves merit), but it seems someone else deceived you. Research.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 3:57:17 PM

        Don't want to answer the ? huh. Guess not, I can see where it would be kind of awkward.

        • Posted By: choonzer @ 01/30/2008 4:26:33 PM

          When the Savior taught the Pharisees, he could plainly tell when their questions were sincere, and when they were merely meant to be inflammatory and derisive. And he often refused to humor them when they were being jackasses. I believe that's whats going on here. You're previous posts have clearly demonstrated that no answer anyone provided to you would make any difference, so what would be the point?

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 7:06:24 PM

            So does that mean you reject the DNA evidence that without question proves that Native Americans are NOT of Jewish decent. As for your baptizing dead JEWS, there are volumes of evidence to show that it was done repeatedly, and continued even after becoming public. Mormon people are good hardworking people who are kept from the truth by their profits. Mitt Romney is nothing more than their Temple Prostitute, along w/his concubine Harry "Pinky" Reid. YES, a mans religion is important when he gets involved in National Politics. AMERICA will not accept a mormon or a mohammed. GO McCAIN!!!!

            • Posted By: choonzer @ 01/30/2008 7:36:38 PM

              "Scientific" evidence in matters of faith is of little consequence, as any true believer should know. But your ongoing inflammatory rhetoric and mean-spiritedness really prevents rational discussion. It really is hard for me to imagine a true Christian referring to people he's never met and doesn't know as "prostitutes" and "concubines." If that's your version of Christianity, I assure you Mormons want no part of it.

  • Posted By: jbc67coojos @ 01/29/2008 6:08:09 PM

    As a person educated in history I can tell you that the two previous comments are false ones. And I can tell you that the mormons are as patriotic as they come. In the early days of the church, while the mormons were half-way through their westward trek, many of the men left their families to travel the prarie alone because the U.S. military desperately needed troops who were already out West to fight against Mexico. And many more mormons serve in the military today. And there are hundred of thousands of black mormons including bishops, stake presidents, and high officers in the church. And mormons were originally mobbed in Missouri because of their political stances against slavery.

    • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 6:29:44 PM

      Mormons were a threat to the country and communities as they would steal women for themselves and were threatened by US government in Utah to change the poligamy doctrine or face serious consequences...so they did and thats the only reason they did.

      • Posted By: jeffreyhunt @ 02/01/2008 5:55:28 PM

        You seem to be such an expert in my religion, I am glad you know it so falsely that it blinds you to truth!

      • Posted By: chrislow1820 @ 01/29/2008 6:41:10 PM

        That's rediculous. "Steal women"? It's amazing that the falsehoods and accusations from 170 years ago are still tried, and some actually believe them. The Mormons faced "serious consequences" for polygamy from the government for decades before the Manifesto, so it wasn't the "threats" that convinced church leaders to stop the practice, or they'd have stopped long before they did.

        And anybody who believes that Mormons have/had an agenda to "steal women" is grossly misinformed. By the way, we've recently learned that the Earth rotates around the Sun, and the Earth is not the center of the universe.

        • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 6:47:15 PM

          So it doesnt matter to you that your infallible prophet and founder said Jesus would return by the year 1886? Smith lied then and as a prophet he is now classified as a false one...and since your soul is at stake you should examine this....for thy sake. He is not waiting to judge you as mormons claim - so you dont need to fear him. Bibl;e says fear not a false prophet duetoronomy 18

          • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/30/2008 5:32:12 PM

            I can't beleive how many people spit out Bible references without actually knowing the history of the Bible. I want to ask you this. Do you believe that God, as it states in the Bible, is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow? I do. That's why when God called prophets centuries past, because His people were dwindeling in unbelief, I know that he would call them again. and again. and forever untill Christ returns. Do you believe it right to obey the commands of God? I do, and that's why I was able to accept that God commanded a few, Righteous men who would abuse the calling of careing for more than one wife, becasue he had called many prophets and other religious men to do the same time and time again throughout the Bible, (Abraham in particular had how many wives?). when the Lord commanded them to stop, they did, just as the early mormon pioneers did. Do you believe that a man must be called of God and by one in authority through the laying on of hands in order to speak in His name and to work His will on this earth? I do becasue Christ himself Called, Ordained , and set the 12 apostels and many others apart to wield the power of Heaven in His name, Just as Joseph Smith was called, ordained, and ordained others in the name of Jesus Christ. I know right now you want to counter with "then why were blacks not able to hold the priesthood?". The answer my friend would be the same reason why only the Levitical Priest were able to hold the Priesthood. Not because of their skin color, but because of their heritage. The blacks weren't able to hold the priesthood in our day for a time just as they weren't able to in the bible. Because they were the decendants of Cain. The dark skin wasn't the curse and they weren't cursed either. It was a mark in order for the Children of Israel to not intermingle with those who, at the time, worshiped idols......otherwise known as the Caananites......who were black. My point in all of this is to show you that because God is consistant he will continue to be the same, just , loving God from the Begining to the end. Does this mean that he can't open the heavens and pour out new blessings on us, His children? Absolutly not. My advise to you is stop looking for ways to break others down, look to your own faith to help it grow , and stop telling God what he can and can't do. It's your choice man.

          • Posted By: chrislow1820 @ 01/29/2008 7:00:34 PM

            "Lied"? Mormons don't "steal women", as you claim above. And trying to pull the old switcheroo onto another topic (with another falsehood) won't change the fact that your accusations were false to begin with. Please, don't use your falsehoods to drum up unecessary drama and misdirected hatred about the Mormons.

            • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 7:07:08 PM

              Mormons were a threat to communties poligamy is banned because it is a threat to communities why do you think its banned because its good ?

              • Posted By: chrislow1820 @ 01/29/2008 7:17:02 PM

                Gee, I'd like to answer your question, but I can't - because your composition is so poorly structured and lacking puncuation and grammar to the point that it doesn't make sense. A word of advice - it's hard to come across as an educated authority on the Mormons when you can't even compose an English sentence. Goes to credibility.

                Obviously, you're pretty worked up. I'm sorry. It's too bad you hate a group of people that much. I hope things go better for you in the future. Just keep in mind that Mormons won't be going away, and they're free to believe their own doctrines.

                I'm not going to get into a doctrinal/historical debate on this forum. Newsweek printed an unbiased, accurate article. Well done. Still, others choose to use the article as a venue to spread hatred and falsehoods in the name of Christianity. Some things never change. I choose not to be part of that.

                • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 7:25:21 PM

                  Yes you are free to believe ... and free to ad hominum attack others...and you say i attack you. The problem is the facts not the gram...

  • Posted By: jbc67coojos @ 01/29/2008 6:11:11 PM

    As a person educated in history I can tell you that the previous comments are false ones. And I can tell you that the mormons are as patriotic as they come. In the early days of the church, while the mormons were half-way through their westward trek, many of the men left their families to travel the prarie alone because the U.S. military desperately needed troops who were already out West to fight against Mexico. And many more mormons serve in the military today. And there are hundred of thousands of black mormons including bishops, stake presidents, and high officers in the church. And mormons were originally mobbed in Missouri because of their political stances against slavery.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/29/2008 7:03:15 PM

      You are very wrong. The church of LSD has taught that blacks were cursed, therefore less valuable as humans since its beginning. Your profits changed this doctrine in 1978-ONLY BECAUSE THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS WAS GOING TO BE REVOKED. Look it up kiddo.

      • Posted By: jeffreyhunt @ 02/01/2008 5:51:32 PM

        And your Church used them as slaves and oppressed them. You get hung up on what you beleive to be fact and yet you refuse to ask God!! Hmmmmmm

      • Posted By: chrislow1820 @ 01/29/2008 7:08:57 PM

        I looked it up. It turned out that wasn't true. Not even close.

        Also, I think you mean "prophets" instead of "profits"; "LDS" instead of "LSD". Look it up - in the dictionary.

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/29/2008 7:13:12 PM

          Back up your words with facts. Romney is just like his faith. Change doctrine whenever it is no longer politically prudent. Mormons change doctrine like most people change socks. And by the way, my spelling is correct.

          • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/30/2008 1:46:32 PM

            you have been giving honest, acurate answers about where we standa as a church HolyRoller, and yet you still insist on posing hte same questions. I think it's not becasue the answers are wrong, but because they're the answers that you don't want to hear. God only speaks to those who are willing to listen holy roller, and if you keep your hands over your ears you're going to miss out on the message, namely, Christ lives, God has called prophets, seers, and revelators again in our day, and the heavens are not closed. I hope that you cna someday move on from this hate that fills you, and will turn to focus on your own faith instead of the faith of others. No matter how angry you are, or how much you think you're right, the fact still remains that the FULL gospel of Jesus Christ will continue to fill the earth , and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to halt the work of the Lord.

            • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/30/2008 5:47:28 PM

              Correction on my grammar. "you have been GIVEN, honest answers.

          • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/30/2008 1:46:28 PM

            you have been giving honest, acurate answers about where we standa as a church HolyRoller, and yet you still insist on posing hte same questions. I think it's not becasue the answers are wrong, but because they're the answers that you don't want to hear. God only speaks to those who are willing to listen holy roller, and if you keep your hands over your ears you're going to miss out on the message, namely, Christ lives, God has called prophets, seers, and revelators again in our day, and the heavens are not closed. I hope that you cna someday move on from this hate that fills you, and will turn to focus on your own faith instead of the faith of others. No matter how angry you are, or how much you think you're right, the fact still remains that the FULL gospel of Jesus Christ will continue to fill the earth , and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to halt the work of the Lord.

  • Posted By: In Carolina @ 01/30/2008 10:46:40 AM

    Unfortunately, advancing anti-Mormon dialogue are a full-time job for some people.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 7:12:40 PM

      When Salt Lake decided to try and hijack the American people with their Temple Prostitute Romney, it became the duty of anyone aware of the perverted sick nature of this cults leadership, to speak up. If mormons don't want their majik underwear aired they should stay out of national politics. If not then it is all fair game.

      • Posted By: AH1986 @ 02/01/2008 1:46:16 PM

        If you only knew man.........if you only knew.

      • Posted By: choonzer @ 01/30/2008 10:28:01 PM

        You know, I'm not sure if I'd vote for Romney myself, but I'm starting to hope he doesn't win. Some fanatic nutball like you would probably asassinate him.

  • Posted By: dewcooper @ 01/31/2008 11:25:34 AM

    Well, the Mormons seemed to have picked up one things from the Catholics - pick your leaders from the elderly so that they can't rule for long...

    My question, from reading this article, LDS prophets seems to be based upon seniority and not chosen by God, or given the gift of prophecy from God directly. Instead, a person whose office is 'less than' that of the president, 'annoints' the prophet. How does someone who is 'beneath' you, give you what only God can?

    The prophets of the Old Testament did not 'rise' to office, but were chosen directly by God from the masses. Also, prophets are concerned with the future, not the present. And a prophet of God is 100% correct. I would guess that none of the Mormon prophets have this track record...

    • Posted By: mhgoldy @ 02/01/2008 10:11:17 AM

      That is an excellent question. Let me try to clarify our beliefs:

      Throughout time, God has given His servants, the prophets, the authority to act in His name. This authority? is called the priesthood?. Jesus Christ gave the priesthood to His original Twelve Apostles, and they directed the work of His Church after Jesus ascended to heaven. After the Apostles were killed, the priesthood gradually disappeared from the earth.

      In 1829, Joseph Smith received the restored priesthood authority to organize Christ???s Church. John the Baptist appeared and conferred upon Joseph Smith and his associate Oliver Cowdery the Aaronic Priesthood?, which includes the authority to perform the ordinance of baptism. Later, Peter, James, and John (three of Christ???s original Apostles) appeared and conferred the Melchizedek Priesthood upon Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, restoring the same authority given to Christ???s Apostles anciently. In 1830, with this priesthood authority, the same Church of Jesus Christ that existed centuries ago was organized and restored to the earth by Joseph Smith.

      A living prophet???the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints???is the authorized successor to Joseph Smith. He and the present Apostles? trace their authority to Jesus Christ in an unbroken chain of ordinations through Joseph Smith.

      Hope that helps. More info can be found at www.mormon.org

  • Posted By: if that then what @ 02/01/2008 4:19:38 AM

    Though everyone here is rightfully passionate about their beleifs, a thought to contemplate...would our Savior Jesus Christ who loves all of so deeply want us to cause contention and anger amongst each other by flinging his words, his kind, selfless, loving and saving words at each other to PROVE another one of his brothers or sisters wrong? The two great comandments when lived are the best sermon we can give each other... NOT PROOF, NOT ANGER, NOT SNYDENESS, but compassion, kindness, humility, and an understanding that we are all human and as such do not know everything, if we did, what would our purpose be here on Earth. I am LDS and love my faith, but I also understand that there are other who the same about their faith. Who's right? Is my love for God more valad than yours? Hardly. If the gospel is to be discussed, dosen't it make sense to discuss the good news in the self same spirit?! With Christlike love and understanding? I'm certainly not perfect, have my great share of faults, and don't know much of much but I do know the BEST WAY to share our belifis is to live everyday with an eye single to God's godness and to love HIm and each other. THATS our role in his plan. GUYS! EVERYONE! Doctrine is important, no doubt, but loving each other, I'm sure we will all agree, is much much more pressing...just a thought. :)

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 02/01/2008 1:59:37 AM

    I noticed you criticized Benson for supporting the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY. BUT you never criticized him. Benson doctrine is what the MAJORITY of Mormons live by. I would like to see you go to your church and criticize Benson. As mentioned I back my statements up with facts.
    There are many reasons Mormons will not come forth even though they know of the corruption in the Mormon church. One is due to their belief in Mormon scripture which they associate with the Mormon church. The leadership has usurped power and authority over this scripture. Thus, the members of the Mormon church think that God expects them to support their misguided leaders. This is much the - rationalization that many Americans make about our government. They all know of the corruption, but rationalize that it is unpatriotic to talk against the government or ungrateful to complain when they enjoy superficial prosperity."

    THE LINK BETWEEN BUSH FAMILY AND ROMNEY IS HENRY TAFT BENSON. CO FOUNDER OF THE RUSSEL TRUST aka. SKULLS N BONES SOCIETY.

  • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 6:01:50 PM

    If there were a battle where 200,000 people died in upstate new york in 600 AD where is the archaelogical evidence ? It Should be present...there is not one indication it happened as Book of Mormon swears it did...

    • Posted By: N8Ma @ 01/31/2008 3:05:23 PM

      Where is the evidence for the Flood? Where is the evidence for the parting of the Red Sea? Toppling the walls of Jericho? A virgin birth? In 1 Corinthians 2, Paul talks about the difference between things learned through reason and things learned spiritually. "The wisdom of God is foolishness to men..."

      Also, there is talk amongst Mormon scholars of two Hill Cumorahs...one in central America (big battle), the other being where Moroni deposited the plates (upstate New York).

      • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/31/2008 4:39:49 PM

        The smithonian institute has no record of any archaelogical claim of the Book of mormon with its supposed wars and cities in america....they have plenty from palestine.

        • Posted By: N8Ma @ 01/31/2008 5:19:47 PM

          Does the Smithsonian have a record of the Virgin Birth? Or the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Any proof whatsoever that after marching around the city of Jericho seven times the walls actually crashed down through divine power? Any record of Samson slaying an entire army with the jaw of an ass? Do they have the ass bone?

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 11:09:29 PM

    The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband.??? ???Brigham Young, 1866, Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 268

    • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/31/2008 5:16:36 PM

      Either finish the quote in its whole and add in the context it was written in, or stop twisting the words to make it sound the way you want it to sound, i swear.....if you think it was so easy for a 14 year old Boy to "make up the Book of mormon", then lets see you do anything that could even come close. The Book of Mormon was divingly ispired in its TRANSLATION, and written by the hands of ancient prophets......

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 11:13:04 PM

    ???But under certain circumstances there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins.??????Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 92

    • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/31/2008 5:11:53 PM

      i think you forgot, "unless the take upon themsleves the name of Christ and repent".....

  • Posted By: choonzer @ 01/31/2008 12:03:40 AM

    *YAWN* Well, it's been fun. I sincerely hope you all are happy with you beliefs, I sure am with mine. I'm still not clear what Mormonism ever did to either of you personally that warrants all this negative devotion. But whatever. Knock yourselves out. And God bless.

    • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/31/2008 4:52:37 PM

      Mormonism is the biggest cult to come out of America and since i am an american and a christian ...it is my duty to show how it is trying to say it is christian but is really the biggest hoax in american history.

  • Posted By: wyosummit @ 01/29/2008 12:02:52 PM

    I know that Gordon B. Hinckley was a prophet of God. His successor will be, also. That's the root issue and I believe it is true.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/29/2008 7:23:52 PM

      Do you also believe in the TOOTH FAIRY, or THE EASTER BUNNY, or that Brigham Young favorite-THE QUAKERS ON THE MOON?

      • Posted By: N8Ma @ 01/31/2008 3:25:23 PM

        HolyRolle, do you believe in a Virgin Birth, a Burning Bush, or an Empty Tomb? If so, why? Historical evidence? Or spiritual conviction?

        Or is it that your myths are 2,000 years old, Smith's are only 200 years old, so yours are better? How many true Christians have an intellectual conviction that the Bible is true? Read 1 Corinthians 2

  • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 5:46:23 PM

    Do mormons still believe quakers lived on the moon and lived for a thousand years ?

    • Posted By: N8Ma @ 01/31/2008 3:18:01 PM

      Wow sayitboldly, you follow a tried and true technique for criticizing the church. You like to go and point out esoteric, random talks by church leaders and then try and say that is is official church doctrine, this is what Mormons really care about, this is what they talk about on Sundays, etc. It turns out that "Mormon Doctrine" (by deceased apostle Bruce R. McConkie) isn't MORMON DOCTRINE. Neither are the Journal of Discourses (which Mormon critics love to mine for quotes they can take out of context). Turns out Mormons follow a living prophet, and his words trump all prior revelation. And in May 2007 the church released a statement:
      http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/approaching-mormon-doctrine

      In case you don't want to go there yourself here's one of the tidbits:
      Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four ???standard works??? of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted.

      This means you can't google old church talks to find random stuff ("Quakers on the Moon") and then try to use this stuff as some kind of "smoking gun" to discredit a religion of 13 million people. Especially since these tactics always avoid core doctrines but instead go for titillating tidbits for pure shock value. What Mormons preach every Sunday, and try to practice in their lives, is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, good works, and a willingness to sacrifice for others. "Smoking gun" attacks are not only disingenuous but, thanks to the statement above, totally useless.

    • Posted By: mrsevenaz @ 01/29/2008 6:14:42 PM

      are you high??? this is just a article on how this church move on when there leaders past

  • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 8:20:02 PM

    Hinkley admitted mormonism is not the same as christianity...

    • Posted By: Johnattan @ 01/30/2008 6:43:07 PM

      Sayitboldly, kindly ask you to support your statement with solid evidence, and please show it here in this forum. Thank you very much, son. Remember, you are a child of God too.

      • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/30/2008 11:56:42 PM

        i read him say it in an interview with a magazine a couple of years ago but i just foudn this online as well President Hinckley says:

        * ???Am I Christian? Of course I am. I believe in Christ. I talk of Christ. I pray through Christ. I???m trying to follow Him and live His gospel in my life??? (LDS Church News, 6/28/98). (Dave???s note: sounds like a Christian because of verbiage, but read on)

        * However, in reference to whether he believes ???in the traditional Christ??? Hinckley responds: ???No, I don???t. The traditional Christ of whom they [non-Mormons] speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages??? (LDS Church News Week 6/20/98, p.7).

        • Posted By: N8Ma @ 01/31/2008 2:44:46 PM

          Exactly sayitboldy. Hinkley is referencing substantive doctrinal differences with Creed Christianity. Anyone interested in following these distinctions should read the following:
          http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-775-15,00.html

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 11:06:50 PM

    It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee???no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.??????Apostle Orson Hyde, 1857, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 11:05:55 PM

    Christ not begotten of the Holy Ghost.???Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!??????Apostle Joseph Fielding Smith (who later became 10th Prophet), Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, 1976, p. 18

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 01/30/2008 8:53:12 PM

    I noticed you criticized Benson for supporting the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY. BUT you never criticized him. Benson doctrine is what the MAJORITY of Mormons live by. I would like to see you go to your church and criticize Benson. As mentioned I back my statements up with facts.
    There are many reasons Mormons will not come forth even though they know of the corruption in the Mormon church. One is due to their belief in Mormon scripture which they associate with the Mormon church. The leadership has usurped power and authority over this scripture. Thus, the members of the Mormon church think that God expects them to support their misguided leaders. This is much the - rationalization that many Americans make about our government. They all know of the corruption, but rationalize that it is unpatriotic to talk against the government or ungrateful to complain when they enjoy superficial prosperity."

    THE LINK BETWEEN BUSH FAMILY AND ROMNEY IS HENRY TAFT BENSON. CO FOUNDER OF THE RUSSEL TRUST aka. SKULLS N BONES SOCIETY.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/29/2008 9:28:07 PM

    HAHAHA!!! The Salt Lake Temple Prostitute got it handed to him in Fla. Maybe America is not for sale. Here's to John McCain-a REAL American hero. Rudy will endorse him tomorrow.

    • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/30/2008 4:57:21 PM

      Just as I thought......you're a flip-flopper yourself! You'll say anything if it means "sticking it to the Mormons". I recall another Article that you ruined with your ignorance a while back where you were asked who you would be backing in the election. I beleive that Rudy Guilianni was your man of choice.....but I guess becasue he wasn't a threat to anyone in this race, you decided to swap to, how did you put it, "war mongering, Bush lackey", John McCain, just becasue he has more of a chance of beating Romney? Everyone, Holy Roller is just another slackjawed yokel who will do or say anything that his preacher tells him to do. He's just looking for his 5 minutes of fame, but in the process is making himslef look like the town idiot. BTW, Holy Roller you still ahvent taken me up on my offer to talk doctrine......I guess you're just more content to throw stones, and smear a man that's been dead for over 150 years. Put up or shut up is all I have to say to you.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/30/2008 7:29:11 PM

        Thanks for paying attention. YES, I supported Rudy, and still do. However, when it was obvious that he would not win, I followed his lead. JOHN McCAIN!!!! AMERICA SAYS NO TO MORMONS OR MOHAMMED.

      • Posted By: Johnattan @ 01/30/2008 6:28:43 PM

        Good one, AH1986. Way to go.

    • Posted By: BryceO @ 01/30/2008 2:26:54 PM

      John McCain a "REAL America hero?" Wow, I didn't think anyone could possibly believe that. Do you really think that a man who lies about his fellow candidates positions isn't lying about his own. You accuse mormons of being wolves in sheeps clothing.....well John McCain is the ultimate wolf in sheeps clothing. His potential nomination has divided the Republican party and will put a democrat in office.

  • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/29/2008 9:43:57 PM

    Romney is no leader ....where was he when Mass went gay marriage...he showed absolutely no leadership at all ...didnt even make a public stand worth noting when people were fighting tooth and nail to protect marriage...he cannot lead...and would be a very weak president

    • Posted By: Stevizal @ 01/29/2008 10:14:04 PM

      You're totally off on this one sayitboldly, Romneys opposition to the Massachusetts Court decision was very very public.

      • Posted By: sayitboldly @ 01/30/2008 6:16:31 PM

        Yea a day latec and a buck short people were out there at the beginning of his term and he was silent until it was a fait accompli ...

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/29/2008 6:59:32 PM

    Mormon doctrine that sounds Biblical

    Mormons say they believe in Jesus but the Jesus they serve is not the Biblical Jesus. The Jesus of the Mormon Church is the brother of Lucifer. Jesus is a spirit child of God the Father and a heavenly mother by physical union. (sex) Jesus was born a child and through obedience to the Laws became a God, therefore Jesus has not always been God. Jesus' shed blood on the cross does not atone for all sins, but there are certain sins that the blood of Jesus does not atone for. Jesus after He was crucified and raised to life married three women and had offspring.

    Mormons say they believe in God the Father but He is not the same One from the Bible. Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man who became a God. Mormons believe that God the Father had a father, and his father had a father, an endless progression of Gods. That means God has not always been God, but the Father was at one time not God by nature.

    Mormons say they believe in the Trinity but their definition is different. The Mormon Church teaches that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (Trinity) are three different Gods. Mormons believe the Trinity is one in purpose not in nature.

    Mormons say they are the only true Church. The Mormon Church teaches that they are the only true Church and that all others are the Church of the devil. They may not say this to you but they do teach this.

    Mormons say they believe in the Bible. The Mormon Church teaches that there are 4 holy books. These books are: the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Bible. The Bible in the Mormon Church is least looked upon for doctrine and theology. Mormons are taught that the Bible is correct as long as it goes with their theology. If the Bible contradicts what the other 3 books say or their theology, than the Bible is wrong according to the Mormon Church


    • Posted By: AH1986 @ 01/30/2008 5:00:59 PM

      Hey roller, by the way, this past years focus of study in sunday school for us was the New Testament, and the year before that was the old testament.

    • Posted By: BryceO @ 01/30/2008 2:51:28 PM

      I don't have all day like HolyRoller but i just wanted to say that his comments on what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes is completely off base and is meant to decieve those who are truly seeking for that which is good and holy.

      I want to clarify on just one thing, We believe that Jesus Christ was a God before he was born, Was born to the earth as a mortal being and as the Son of God, his divinity while on the earth was obvious. Who would say we didn't think he was divine while on the earth? He did atone for all sins! Also, Christ paid the penalty for all sins and it is up to us to accept that. We are not forgiven of our sins if we continually do them. We must accept Christ, his atonement and repent of our sins. We DO NOT teach that he married three women and had offspring! Christ is the center of our church and always will be whether "HolyRoller" believes otherwise.

    • Posted By: missionaryeire @ 01/29/2008 7:50:48 PM

      Which Mormon church is this. I have been a member of the mormon church for 27 year and I think that you have grossly misrepresented the facts. I will clearify only a few point just because there are some that would like to know more. Jesus is the Brother of Satan the same way you are. We believe all humans are the spirit children of God and we are all siblings of each other in a spiritual sense.

      I do not know where you came up with the definition of Mary and God having sex because the only doctrine that is available is the one located in the New Testament where it refers to the Holy Ghost falling upon her. Choose for yourself what you want to believe there maybe some that believe that but that is not the doctrine of the Church.

      The Trinity is acurate. As a church we have rejected the doctrine of men concerning the nature of God rising from the 411 AD Nicean Creed.

      All other churchs are of the Devil is not true. This is a reference that refers to a quote from Nephi that states there are only TWO Churchs. The Church of God and the Church of the Devil. This is a reference to the battle between good and evil. We, as children of Adam, must choose for who we will serve. The decision decides what church you belong.

      The last thing that I will address will be Scripture and revelation. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. If the scripture is mistranslated anyone would agree that the understanding would change. The Bible is God's word. If God adds to it then that addition is also sacred. There are disagreements on whether or not that would happen but that is not the issue. We believe that God speaks to man through prophets yesterday, today, and tomorrow. If you believe that God does not lie or that He would not contradict himself then you have to take everything that he says as truth. If you believe that the Bible is the word of God and you believe the Book of Mormon is the word of God then you have to take both of them as truth and read them in the light that would make them both true. There is not a loss from the Bible at all. The other scriptures would actually limit the amount of interpritations possible and give greater light. The biggest problem that most theolgians do not like about this approach is that it would directly cotradict their inturpritations of the new or old testiment. Remember that it is still the same as trying to reconcile the book of James with the Book of John. They are both true and you have make sure that they do not contradict each other in your understanding. I am not writing this to convert but to give understanding of Mormon theology. Good Luck

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 01/29/2008 9:31:49 PM

        Want me to post some of good ol' Joe Smith's own words?

        • Posted By: Johnattan @ 01/30/2008 10:57:51 AM

          Dear HolyRoller, son, it seems you have a lot of free time and hard feelings against the LDS Church, originated by I-don't-know-what. That combination is deadly (for you). Remember the words of Ghandi: "Hatred is like an acid that damages more its container than the surface where it is spelled". Your words will do nothing but discredit yourself. When you talk bad about someone or something, you're talking about yourself, you are proyecting your own weeknesses and imperfections on the other subject. Smart people (LDS and none LDS) know this fact, and your purpose by saying all these thing on this forum is not clear. What do you want to achieve with this? Do you even know it? I don't think so. If some LDS hurt you in the past, and if you consider yourself a true christian, you should forgive and forget, and let go. You are held to something in the past that is not going to change, that causes you this anger everytime you see an LDS element. I kindly invite you to ponder about your struggle and move on. You're are the only one getting hurt in the movie of your life. Reflect upon this, son. May God bless you.

    • Posted By: Sochilt80 @ 01/29/2008 7:48:39 PM

      What? Your "facts" are unbelievably absurd. Get a clue.

    • Posted By: Sochilt80 @ 01/29/2008 7:47:15 PM

      What? Your "facts" are unbelievably absurd.

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