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  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/03/2008 10:11:53 PM

    The Bush Depression


    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit.Bush created a national debt larger then the first 42 presidents combined
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why isnt obama 25 points ahead

    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    31 states are voting now, dont wait
    Elect Obama Biden 2008





    Check out this video of sarah palins interview before you vote



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  • Posted By: Copperhead39 @ 02/02/2008 8:25:24 AM

    Landguiar has it right except for one point. The hydrogen to run the fuel cells will not come from water. Sure, water can be used to get hydrogen by electrolysis, that is by the use of lots of electricity to separate the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. But where does the electricity come from? Coal? Nuclear? Not practical under any reasonable assumption. Actually, the hydrogen will be made from natural gas. But where does the gas come from? Not here in the US with most of the land that has natural gas reserves being off limits to drilling. So, we go from living on imported oil to living on imported natural gas that is converted to hydrogen that costs several times as much as the oil, and we still expect to have economic growth? Now that is truly delusional!!!!!

    • Posted By: pezled @ 09/30/2008 7:39:46 AM

      What planet are you living on? There are 3 HUGE natural gas reserves just recently discovered in the Texas (Barnett Shale), Louisiana (Haynesville Shale) and Oklahoma area. Business is booming in those areas for companies connected to Natural gas. We have plenty of Natural gas to go around - no need to import. If you're going to post, at least know what you are talking about........

  • Posted By: wnnr2 @ 08/27/2008 1:08:56 PM

    And here is the final part (4):

    "Investment banks had been frustrated with the established exchange because they really were never able to get control of it," said Michael Greenberger, a law professor at the University of Maryland and a former staff member at the CFTC.

    The most successful of the private platforms was InterContinental Exchange, or ICE, founded by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and a few other big brokerages in 2000. ICE soon opened a trading platform in London, allowing its founders to trade vast quantities of U.S. oil overseas without being subject to regulation.

    The exemptions for swap dealers and the development of overseas markets allowed big brokerages to open the door for more hedge funds, pensions and big investors to move into commodities.


    In the coming years, commodity investments by funds could grow to $1 trillion, veteran hedge fund manager Michael Masters said in testimony before the Senate earlier this year. In an interview, he said this trend could raise commodity prices for everyone in the coming years and "have catastrophic economic effects on millions of already stressed U.S. consumers."

    Meanwhile, commodities have been good business for big Wall Street brokerages. Its commodity trades helped keep Goldman Sachs profitable during the credit crisis, said Richard Bove, a banking analyst at Ladenburg Thalmann.

    "Business is lousy right now," Bowie said of Goldman Sachs. "Commodities and currencies are clearly the strongest business they have right now."

    In the coming months, swap dealers expect to have yet another venue for oil speculation. The CFTC has stated it would not stand in the way of trading in U.S. oil contracts overseas in Dubai. Goldman Sachs and Vitol are among the major investors in this new exchange.

    © 2008 The Washington Post Company

  • Posted By: wnnr2 @ 08/27/2008 1:06:42 PM

    I'm sorry to have repeated the post on part 2 . It appeared not to take originally. HERE IS PART 3:
    Victoria Dix, a spokeswoman for Vitol, declined to answer questions. The firm, through Dix, released a statement that stated only that it had not been contacted by the CFTC about the reclassification of its business and that its trading status remained unchanged. CFTC officials said they do not typically contact firms that are reclassified.

    On its Web site, the firm says it has $100 billion a year in revenue and describes its thriving global energy-trading business.

    For most of the past century, regulators put limits on financial actors to prevent them from dominating commodity exchanges, which were much smaller than the bond or stock markets. Only commercial operations, such as farms, airlines, manufacturers and the middlemen that handle their trading activities, were allowed to buy nearly unlimited quantities. The goal was to allow these businesses to minimize the effect of price swings.

    The first major change to this regulatory framework occurred in 1991, when Goldman Sachs, through a subsidiary called J. Aron, argued that it should be granted the same exemption given to commercial traders because its business of buying commodities on behalf of investors was similar to the middlemen who broker commodity transactions for commercial firms.

    The CFTC granted this request. More exemptions soon followed, including one to the Houston-based energy trader Enron.

    "When the CFTC granted the 1991 hedging exemption to J. Aron (a division of Goldman Sachs), it signaled a major shift that has since allowed investors to accumulate enormous positions for purely speculative purposes," said Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) Now, he added, "legitimate businesses that hedge and take physical delivery of oil are being trampled by the speculators who are in the market purely to make profit."

    A second turning point came when Congress passed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. The law formally allowed investors to trade energy commodities on private electronic platforms outside the purview of regulators. Critics have called this piece of legislation the "Enron loophole," saying Enron played a role in crafting it.

    In the months after the act was passed, private electronic trading platforms sprang up across the country, challenging the dominance of NYMEX.
    © 2008 The Washington Post Company

  • Posted By: wnnr2 @ 08/27/2008 1:01:21 PM

    And here is part 2:
    CFTC documents show Vitol was one of the most active traders of oil on NYMEX as prices reached record levels. By June 6, for instance, Vitol had acquired a huge holding in oil contracts, betting prices would rise. The contracts were equal to 57.7 million barrels of oil -- about three times the amount the United States consumes daily. That day, the price of oil spiked $11 to settle at $138.54. Oil prices eventually peaked at $147.27 a barrel on July 11 before falling back to settle at $114.98 yesterday.

    The documents do not say how much Vitol put down to acquire this position, but under NYMEX rules, the down payment could have been as little as $1 billion, with the company borrowing the rest.

    The biggest players on the commodity exchanges often operate as "swap dealers" who primarily invest on behalf of hedge funds, wealthy individuals and pension funds, allowing these investors to enjoy returns without having to buy an actual contract for oil or other goods. Some dealers also manage commodity trading for commercial firms.

    To build up the vast holdings this practice entails, some swap dealers have maneuvered behind the scenes, exploiting their political influence and gaps in oversight to gain exemptions from regulatory limits and permission to set up new, unregulated markets. Many big traders are active not only on NYMEX but also on private and overseas markets beyond the CFTC's purview. These openings have given the firms nearly unfettered access to the trading of vital goods, including oil, cotton and corn.


    Using swap dealers as middlemen, investment funds have poured into the commodity markets, raising their holdings to $260 billion this year from $13 billion in 2003. During that same period, the price of crude oil rose unabated every year.

    CFTC data show that at the end of July, just four swap dealers held one-third of all NYMEX oil contracts that bet prices would increase. Dealers make trades that forecast prices will either rise or fall. Energy analysts say these data are evidence of the concentration of power in the markets.

    CFTC leaders have argued that speculators are not influencing commodities' prices. If any new information arises during the agency's examination of swap dealer activity, officials said they would report it to Congress.


    "To date, the CFTC has found that supply and demand fundamentals offer the best explanation for the systematic rise in oil prices," CFTC spokesman R. David Gary said, reading a statement that had been crafted by agency officials. "Regardless of their classification . . . the CFTC's market surveillance group scrutinizes daily the positions of all large traders, both commercial and non-commercial, to guard against market manipulation."

    © 2008 The Washington Post Company

  • Posted By: wnnr2 @ 08/27/2008 12:57:21 PM

    PART 2:

    CFTC documents show Vitol was one of the most active traders of oil on NYMEX as prices reached record levels. By June 6, for instance, Vitol had acquired a huge holding in oil contracts, betting prices would rise. The contracts were equal to 57.7 million barrels of oil -- about three times the amount the United States consumes daily. That day, the price of oil spiked $11 to settle at $138.54. Oil prices eventually peaked at $147.27 a barrel on July 11 before falling back to settle at $114.98 yesterday.

    The documents do not say how much Vitol put down to acquire this position, but under NYMEX rules, the down payment could have been as little as $1 billion, with the company borrowing the rest.

    The biggest players on the commodity exchanges often operate as "swap dealers" who primarily invest on behalf of hedge funds, wealthy individuals and pension funds, allowing these investors to enjoy returns without having to buy an actual contract for oil or other goods. Some dealers also manage commodity trading for commercial firms.

    To build up the vast holdings this practice entails, some swap dealers have maneuvered behind the scenes, exploiting their political influence and gaps in oversight to gain exemptions from regulatory limits and permission to set up new, unregulated markets. Many big traders are active not only on NYMEX but also on private and overseas markets beyond the CFTC's purview. These openings have given the firms nearly unfettered access to the trading of vital goods, including oil, cotton and corn.


    Using swap dealers as middlemen, investment funds have poured into the commodity markets, raising their holdings to $260 billion this year from $13 billion in 2003. During that same period, the price of crude oil rose unabated every year.

    CFTC data show that at the end of July, just four swap dealers held one-third of all NYMEX oil contracts that bet prices would increase. Dealers make trades that forecast prices will either rise or fall. Energy analysts say these data are evidence of the concentration of power in the markets.

    CFTC leaders have argued that speculators are not influencing commodities' prices. If any new information arises during the agency's examination of swap dealer activity, officials said they would report it to Congress.


    "To date, the CFTC has found that supply and demand fundamentals offer the best explanation for the systematic rise in oil prices," CFTC spokesman R. David Gary said, reading a statement that had been crafted by agency officials. "Regardless of their classification . . . the CFTC's market surveillance group scrutinizes daily the positions of all large traders, both commercial and non-commercial, to guard against market manipulation."

    © 2008 The Washington Post Company

  • Posted By: wnnr2 @ 08/27/2008 12:54:52 PM

    An excellent Washington Post article on the who and how of oil manipulation. I will post in four parts because of length:

    A few speculators dominate oil market

    Regulators: Swiss energy firm holds 11 percent of contracts on NYMEX
    By David Cho
    The Washington Post
    updated 8:47 p.m. PT, Wed., Aug. 20, 2008

    Regulators had long classified a private Swiss energy conglomerate called Vitol as a trader that primarily helped industrial firms that needed oil to run their businesses.

    But when the Commodity Futures Trading Commission examined Vitol's books last month, it found that the firm was in fact more of a speculator, holding oil contracts as a profit-making investment rather than a means of lining up the actual delivery of fuel. Even more surprising to the commodities markets was the massive size of Vitol's portfolio -- at one point in July, the firm held 11 percent of all the oil contracts on the regulated New York Mercantile Exchange.

    The discovery revealed how an individual financial player had gained enormous sway over the oil market without the knowledge of regulators. Other CFTC data showed that a significant amount of trading activity was concentrated in the hands of just a few speculators.

    The CFTC, which learned about the nature of Vitol's activities only after making an unusual request for data from the firm, now reports that financial firms speculating for their clients or for themselves account for about 81 percent of the oil contracts on NYMEX, a far bigger share than had previously been stated by the agency. That figure may rise in coming weeks as the CFTC checks the status of other big traders.

    Some lawmakers have blamed these firms for the volatility of oil prices, including the tremendous run-up that peaked earlier in the summer.

    "It is now evident that speculators in the energy futures markets play a much larger role than previously thought, and it is now even harder to accept the agency's laughable assertion that excessive speculation has not contributed to rising energy prices," said Rep. John D. Dingell (D-Mich.). He added that it was "difficult to comprehend how the CFTC would allow a trader" to acquire such a large oil inventory "and not scrutinize this position any sooner."

    The CFTC, which refrains from naming specific traders in its reports, did not publicly identify Vitol.

    The agency's report showed only the size of the holdings of an unnamed trader. Vitol's identity as that trader was confirmed by two industry sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

  • Posted By: Dollared @ 07/19/2008 5:21:56 PM

    Copperhead39
    Í'm sorry but you don't seem to understand that there is no free market in energy. The government has to step in an subsidize alternatives, because the $2Trillion invested in oil infrastructure will always point us to oil, or oil from coal, or ethanol, rather than logical, efficient alternatives like conservation, geothermal, wind, and solar.

    Simply put, if we spent the last 30 years letting the "free market" control our energy destiny, and we found out we were fools. You are simply advocating more of the same. Maybe if you were a Saudi prince, that would be good for you and your famiy. But not for anybody else.

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 01/31/2008 8:34:28 PM

    I always considered the oil situation as 'God's practical joke.' We had enough oil near the surface to get us dependent on it. Then God put the rest under sand, under water and under ice. He (or she, or it) put it in places that use it the least, and in societies that are least experienced at handling instant wealth. Oil wealth is bringing rapid changes in society to the Middle East, Venezuela and Nigeria. It is bringing huge financial flows out of developed countries and into emerging markets at an alarming rate, and without needing a strong work ethic. It has given power to Saddam Hussein and Hugo Chavez. It brings grandeur to Quatar and misery to Nigeria. It is certainly making the world an interesting place.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 02/01/2008 2:22:35 PM

      CHAVES IS A DEMOCRATICALY ELECTED HEAD OF STATE TWICE! JUST LIKE BUSH! UNLIKE HUSSAIN WHO WE PUT IN CHARGE IN THE 70! LIKE THE SHAAA WHO WE TRADED 79 HOSTAGES FOR! DUE TO THE PEOPLE, WHO WE CHOSE FOR, DID NOT ACCEPT OUR CHOICE OF LEADER, FOR THERE COUNTRY!

  • Posted By: rhardworkin @ 02/10/2008 5:15:25 PM

    maybe if the money made in taxes were used for the purpose of the tax then they wouldn't have to keep raising taxes, or prices, the end to the us will be it's greed, and thats pretty simple.

  • Posted By: thamilton @ 02/01/2008 1:48:34 PM

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out the oil companies has been ripping off American Consumers who need oil. How is it possible that for another year big oil has recorded yet another History Making PROFIT. Makes me feel like I am being taking advantage of at the pump. I can't wait for other alternatives to come available, what is taking so long? and yet the government is trying to figure us out of a recession, first deal with real issues like Big Oil ripping us off with high prices.

    • Posted By: Copperhead39 @ 02/02/2008 9:05:00 AM

      Oil company profit from a gallon of gasoline is 25 to 30 cents a gallon. State and Federal Governments collect 48 cents a gallon in fuel taxes. Exon made 40 billion in profit last year and paid 30 billion in taxes and royalties. And the politicians who are demanding the oil companies re-invest in increased exploration, production, refining, and development of alternative energy sources are the same polticians who want to take all the "excess profits" away from the oil companies by increasing their taxes. So where does the venture capital for those alternative energy sources come from. Maybe Government subsidies? I am sure the Governments knows better than private industry how to make those investments hahahah.

    • Posted By: nordie @ 02/01/2008 8:27:08 PM

      They will also rip you off with the price of any of the alternative forms of energy that are busy colluding to own . When they have the ownership and the patents on these means you can expect production.

  • Posted By: Saildog @ 02/01/2008 1:53:28 AM

    This is a perverse analysis that attempts at all costs to skirt around the thorny issue of declining production at most of the worlds oil fields. It perpetuates the myth that supply is driven only by price and never by geology and it entirely fails to explain the imminent shortages caused by declining exports.

    This last point bears some scrutiny. The three biggest exporters, Russia, Norway and Saudi Arabia all exported less oil in 2006 than 2005. It is expected that this trend will have accelerated in 2007. It is caused by two main factors: Rapid increases in consumption in the booming economies of Russia and Saudi Arabia against a backdrop of flat production and outright field decline in Norway. This has led in all three countries to less being avaialable for export

    10 times the number of new cars were sold in Russia in 2006 when compared with 2002. It is not hard to accept that Russian oil consumption is growing rapidly. This is even more pronounced in Saudi with heavily subsidized gasoline is compunded with a population that is growing very rapidly. They also have other pressures on oil consumtion such as electricity generation and desalination. Interestingly it seems they have given up trying to grow wheat in the desert.

    China: It hardly needs mention, but here it is anyway: 8.2 million new cars were sold in 2007, up from 7m in 2006. Mostly the trade ins were bicycles.

    Then there is the issue of existing field decline estimated to be between 4.5% (CERA) and more than 8% (Schlumberger). CERA are a bunch of consultants and Schlumberger actually operate many of the oil fileds around the world. Also CERA have an atrocious forecasting record. Even so, lets take the 4.5% - that is nearly 4m barrels per day that is lost every year. In a scant 30 months it amounts to the loss of the production equivavlent to the whole of Saudi Arabia.

    How many more Saudi Arabia's are there?

    • Posted By: landguitar @ 02/01/2008 8:06:51 PM

      Lots of interesting comments here, but I always find it interesting that the anti-development folks assume that the next form of energy, hopefully clean, will be free or cheap. Opinions of folks that believe that should be summarily dismissed, as most of us know that will not be the case. All of the alternative energy sources being looked at now are decades away in terms of being able to replace hydrocarbons, and they're only now becoming economic because oil is at it's current price level. Let's assume there was a huge breakthrough in hydrogen power or something similar. Do folks really think that because it comes from water it'll be free? The cost of conversion, research, etc, will all be factored in, and you can rest assured that the state and federal governments will get their share through taxes. How else would they replace the MANY billions of dollars they now receive from oil and gas producers, refiners and marketers? Come on, some folks are just delusional. And regarding the "little Man", energy companies, refiners and marketers employ hundreds of thousands of people in this country in good-paying jobs - don't you care about them too? And folks, that includes ExxonMobil, who I don't work for.

    • Posted By: landguitar @ 02/01/2008 8:05:19 PM

      Lots of interesting comments here, but I always find it interesting that the anti-development folks assume that the next form of energy, hopefully clean, will be free or cheap. Opinions of folks that believe that should be summarily dismissed, as most of us know that will not be the case. All of the alternative energy sources being looked at now are decades away in terms of being able to replace hydrocarbons, and they're only now becoming economic because oil is at it's current price level. Let's assume there was a huge breakthrough in hydrogen power or something similar. Do folks really think that because it comes from water it'll be free? The cost of conversion, research, etc, will all be factored in, and you can rest assured that the state and federal governments will get their share through taxes. How else would they replace the MANY billions of dollars they now receive from oil and gas producers, refiners and marketers? Come on, some folks are just delusional. And regarding the "little Man", energy companies, refiners and marketers employ hundreds of thousands of people in this country in good-paying jobs - don't you care about them too? And folks, that includes ExxonMobil, who I don't work for.

  • Posted By: jeffhr4 @ 02/01/2008 5:20:14 PM

    This is an article of half-truths and falsehoods with no facts given for any causes of the artificially inflated price of oil. OPEC is not going to cut production of oil. The futures market is what is driving these insane prices. It is the possibility of something happening to the flow of oil that allows the futures market to jack up prices, yet no flow of oil has been disrupted, nor will it, since the Middle Eastern countries and U.S. businesses cannot allow it. It is simply the raping of consumers by the futures market, oil companies, and possibly the Middle Eastern countries.

    We can no longer allow people like this author to publish phantom reasons for the price oil such as these statements:

    ???Oil is also not a normal commodity. A big part of today's high prices???and why they are still nearly double the level of a year ago, despite dark economic news???is that oil beats to backward economics. When the price of soybeans or steel rises reliably, farmers and steel millers boost output, and prices abate. When the price of oil rises, many suppliers do the opposite. This bizarre response comes not from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), which is always in the news, but from the pernicious ways that oil wealth ripples through the societies that have most of the oil.???

    Why are suppliers allowed to do the opposite?
    Please explain what ???pernicious ways??? that oil wealth ripples through the societies that have most of the oil.???

    Why is it when the price of gasoline and oil skyrocket, so do the oil companies profits?

    These prices are artificially inflated simply so those on the futures market, oil companies and Middle Eastern countries can bleed as much money out of the rest of us as they can until the next reliable form of energy is found (if it has not been already, and patented by the oil companies).

    Just another article of deflection.

    • Posted By: pharmfarm59538 @ 02/01/2008 6:33:00 PM

      Oil Money is flowing to oil rich countries due to supply and demand much the same way Commodity money is flowing to the wheat producing areas due to low world wheat stocks. Just wait till we get a world wide recession and business slowdown. Then the oil prices will fall more that we expect.

  • Posted By: PirateMike @ 02/01/2008 5:46:00 PM

    Decent read although I am not sure we are in a position to accuse other nations of having a reckless foreign policy.

  • Posted By: nordie @ 02/01/2008 3:11:57 PM

    We will have alternative sources of energy when the oil companies own the means of production. Meanwhile, the high oil price can be maintained and make it worthwhile to get the next hundred's years worth out of the tar sands in Alberta. The superport in Northern British Columbia allows its profitable export to emerging economies if we in America don't like the price.

  • Posted By: ah7903 @ 02/01/2008 2:49:23 PM

    I don't know what the fuss is. It's not just the foreign countries. We have 100's of years worth of oil and resources not just in the gulf as this article says,... but also under the Rocky Mtns and in Alaska. I can understand why ecologists don't want to disturb some of these places, but I think now we have the technology so that exploiting this areas won't disturb the local ecologies as it would have in the past. But when we have a government who is in bed with companies like Haliburton, it will be a long time, and probably too late, before we revert to a bit of isolationism and start rebuilding our country.

  • Posted By: NJ_Dave @ 02/01/2008 11:11:12 AM

    People who think Dems will get oil prices down need to remember the 1970s. It isn't politics, it's practicality. We need to drill our own oil AS WELL AS do other resources. We're in a period where the George Soros/Mark Rich type commodities traders (the ones who really make money off oil - gas companies make a few cents a gallon at the pump, the rest is refining and oil cost they have to pay) are keeping oil up. Only way to drop the price is to add supply, diversify energy resources, or wait for the oil bubble to pop, and the ommodities folks would lose a lot of meney if that happened so they'd rater keep squeezing us, and they will no matter who is in office unless the market or new drilling corrects the situation.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 02/01/2008 2:15:50 PM

      WE DO DRILL AND CAP, DRILL AND CAP! SO WHEN THE WORLD RUNS OUT [IF NOT AN ALT WORLD] WE WILL BE THE SUPERPOWER WITH THE ONLY OIL ON THE MARKET! SO WHAT GOOD IS GREEN, TO A PROFITEERING WH? NOW YOU KNOW WHY THEY SAY ENERGY AND GLOBAL WARMING IN THE SAME SENTENCE, KEEPS THE DOUBT AND THE DEBATE GOING, BUT IF I MUST BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING! TO RETROFIT OUR EMPTY FACTORIES AS THEY SIT TODAY! THEN GUESS WHAT? I BELIEVE!!!

  • Posted By: klebrun @ 02/01/2008 11:23:05 AM

    The Cheney/Bush administration is a franatic about loyalty and the oil industry is one of their biggest and most loyal supporters. Not surprisingly, our energy policy appears to be directed more towards maximizing oil company profits and campaign contributions than to providing affordable energy for Joe consumer. With a limitted supply and spiraling demand, we may be headed for disaster soon if we don't put some thought and planning into alternative energy sources.

    Cheney's comments that we need to leave the development of alternative energy sources to market forces is a lot like fighting a war with another super power, but leaving the management to market forces. The magnitude of the problem and the wild fluctuations in pricing, which can be controlled by oil supliers, make it virtually impossible for a potential supplier to tackle the problem and survive.
    So the solution, with more than a little sarcasm, may be to invite the Chinese to build nuclear power plants for us on the Mexican side of the border.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 02/01/2008 2:09:58 PM

      TO LATE EVER SIT IN EL PASO AND LOOK ACOSS THE RIO GRANDE INTO MEXICO [IF U CAN SEE THROUGH THE THICK BLACK SMOKE] AS NO REGULATION IN MEXICO, AND ALL MADE IN CHINA! SO YOU SAID IT, BUT ITS ALREADY DONE!

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 02/01/2008 2:05:33 PM

    AS LONG AS WHERE THERE ARE REFINERIES LIKE IN NM, THE COUNTY IT IS IN PAYS MORE THAN THE WHOLE COUNTRY ON AVG, AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE MORONS WHO WILL PAY! THERE WILL BE COMPANIES WHO WILL TAKE OUR MONEY! AT A WOOPING 3.10 PER GALLON FOR THE PAST 5 YEARS WITH A REFINERY WITHIN 3 MILES OF ME 2 OF THE TOP TEN WORST POLLUTING POWER PLANTS [COAL] AND LOW AND BEHOLD NOT A TRAIN IN SIGHT ALL SUPPLIED AND DELIVERED BY TRUCK AT 3.50 PER GALLON SMART HU-NOT!!! THANKS RICHARDSON AND HIS GREEN THUMB, BUT ONLY IF YOU COUNT!! WE IN SAN JUAN COUNTY DO NOT COUNT WE ARE THE GAS CAPITAL IN THE USA AND PROBLEMS GALLOR WITH NO END IN SIGHT CAUSE WE ARE JUST A GAS FIELD THE 90,000 PEOPLE DO NOT COUNT OUR TAXES PAID FOR A TRAIN!!! FROM ALBQ TO SANTA FE FOR COMMUTERS NOT OIL OR GAS OR COAL BUT PEOPLE THA REST IS DONE BY DIESEL ALL 225 TRUCKS A WEEK AND SOON TO BE 385 TRUCKS PER WEEK WHEN OUR THIRD COAL POWER PLANT FIRES UP TO POLLUTE THIS AREA EVEN MORE!!! GO MOBIL EXXON?? GET YOUR STOCKHOLDERS THERE PIECE OF THE PIE, AND SEND THE REST TO DUBUI INDIA!!! AMERICA PROFITS NOTHING! WHAT ELSE IS NEW! THE LESS YOU DRIVE, OR BUY!! THE HIGHER THE PRICE WILL GO!! IT IS THE AMERICAN WAY, TO PROFIT DUBUI WHERE ALL THE COMPANIES WE MADE MILLIONS WENT, TO TO HIRE THERE, NOT HERE! ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO RIGHT? ?

  • Posted By: retrowbridge @ 02/01/2008 11:20:42 AM

    I can not disagree that oil prices are ever growing due to internal economic growth in the oil producing countries. (More self need= less exportation) or even that there is a declining oil field production, however there is another piece to this equation. Ours is a greed driven economy. Where there is an opportunity to gain a buck so shall it be gained. If oil prices were driven strictly based on export quantiies, then it would stand to reason that Exxon would not then be reporting record breaking profit increases. It seems to me that it would be a much more "break-even" profit report or even a loss. Exxon reported an $11.6 billion quarterly profit and a $40.6 billion annual profit (both are record breaking). If it cost me more to get the oil to the consumer or there was less to be given to the consumer, then it would seem logical that increasing prices would only allow the company to barely break even or even lose money. However, this is not the case. What we are seeing is "Big Oil" shoveling piles of money into executive pockets. I know a driver for Exxon who has not gotten a raise since they began reporting record breaking profits. This, then, interprets to companies raising prices unnecessarily in order to fill the coffers. This is nothing more than price gouging in the worst fashion- Supported by the Governemnt. This works to the benefit of our very own federal government as their take comes from a percentage of the selling price in some instances. Once again, translating to higher prices= more money in the federal coffers.

    • Posted By: rmart @ 02/01/2008 1:32:36 PM

      Quit blaming the oil companies and the government for high fuel prices and put it where it belongs - on the consumer. Just go to Main Street and look at all the vehicles - immediate across-the nation conservation of fuel, a.k.a less driving and shorter trips, will do infinitely more in bringing fuel prices down than government tinkering/manipulation ever will (consider the shortsighted ethanol boondogle). By saying it is simply corporate greed that is responsible for high fuel prices shows total mis-understanding of an extremely complex issue.

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