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Happiness: Enough Already

The push for ever-greater well-being is facing a backlash, fueled by research on the value of sadness.

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  • Posted By: dcezar @ 06/12/2009 9:01:57 PM

    http://www.newswI have to make up a case here. While happiness must not be a ending in itself, likely money, it is highly desirable and even vital to human being. A certain level of happiness, must be said. If you, sadness defendant, give yourself the work to review the books out there you'll find that you are generalizing. I've lost my father four year ago, since there I met hell. I was wondering if I was condemned to spend the rest of my life as a dull boy, without any joy or meaning, that is what I felt. With that I lost relationships (because people don't wanna live with sad others), money (in binge action), jobs (I felt so discontent that I was extremely non-productive) and gain lots of fat (I would go binge eating to try to feel some relief). So I discovered the studies behind Positive Psychology and it literally give me the tools to build strength and a holly new perception of the world and of the problems, including the wrong way I was dealing with grief. My father died from severe major depression. I had it following his death. From this point of view I can assure: to understand depression you MUST firs have the experience to live near to someone who has and after you must experience it yourself. This way you can understand what depression really is. I used to think my father was weak and things like that, and I thank that way until he died. So, just now, I know what to be really depressive feel like. I've read: Authentic Happiness, Learned Optimism (both from M. Seligman), Women who Think So Much (from Nolen-Hoeksema) and Flow (from Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi). Further I read lots of master and doctorate thesis I found on the internet, things regarding learned helplessness, flow, rumination (specially a piece from Nolen-Hoeksema with Barbara Fredrickson called "Rethinking Rumination"). Neither of this literature suggested me to be a 90 or 100% happy person. I found so much suggestions to use pessimism, or realism, wherever necessary. Even there are suggestions on how to evaluate each situation so oneself can decide. I also suggest the reading of Daniel Gilbert's as a counter-balance and food for tough. I'm 30, from Brazil, almost lost my life to sadness and I'm here to assure: Happiness, with moderation and responsibility, have the power to change one's life!

  • Posted By: MichaelX @ 03/06/2009 11:59:17 AM

    Hey, Slacker Gen XYZ, get off yourself, you aint such a much. In fact, you are the sole responsible reason for todays malady's. You're a whiney, little-minded jerk. Oh, woe,,,,alas and alack. You don't need therapy, you need to get a spine.

  • Posted By: chester1234 @ 05/28/2008 8:54:05 PM

    I have found that focusing too much on happiness can actually cause us to be less happy, because we spend less time in self-evaluation and more time actually living. Here is an article that sums this up:
    http://spiritualinquiry.com/articles/the-dangers-of-a-happiness-obsession/

  • Posted By: lsears68 @ 02/12/2008 8:42:32 PM

    I just want to say thank you for this article. I lost my mom in a car accident almost a year ago. Friends that mean well have been trying to snap me out of this deep sadness I have been in. I need to feel the way I do,I miss my mom so much, its painful! My sadness is a tribute to a wonderful mother who gave me so much happiness.Jamal from Pakistan is correct in saying that sadness is a product of happiness. I'll be o.k. I know that. Time heals or softens the pain. Than you for making me feel normal again.
    Laura
    Massachusetts

    • Posted By: tnc123 @ 04/22/2008 7:21:19 PM

      Laura did you notice that even thinking about your mom makes you relived or let me say you like being sad about this and relate this to many other things. Indeed even sadness can be pleasent if you come to think of it.

      One poet says

      Oh God let me not become wise
      for wise ones pains see
      to me my mates did many favours
      in my foolishness

      This vrse is although not related to sadness or happiness but it is an expression that being wise or being happy is not the best state to be in.

      Jamal (www.travel-culture.com )

  • Posted By: franceslady @ 03/25/2008 6:39:23 PM

    As one part of our moods, grieving cannot be deserted by us. The last words in this article describe sadness as the pain to body. Excellent! It is possible for us to accept more frustrations in our life, and know how to get the success. The reason is simple.

  • Posted By: Beach Girl @ 02/17/2008 6:39:00 PM

    hi, want to say thanks to all who have shared since i first commented on 2/12/08. i worte a response to Laura with thanks to all of you who offered encouragement and shared your thoughts and experiences, but it disappeared before being properly submitted. tried everything to retrieve it...
    i don't want to waste my life. if you know of any helpful organizations for temp. housing and for employment in Atlanta, Cobb County, please share with me. i will appreciate all help because i think/feel like i am struggling alone. i wish i could get on my feet and support myself again. just don't know how i will ever be able to be happy without at least one of my children in my life. i feel like no one loves, cares about, needs or wants me. now, however, i feel like there are people out there who care just like i care about all hurting people. i thought i would be able to help others if i could ever get my life together. thanks again.

  • Posted By: M. Loeffler @ 02/12/2008 11:32:35 PM

    Best of luck to you "Beach Girl." I'm glad you find strength in this article.

    • Posted By: Beach Girl @ 02/17/2008 6:16:37 PM

      Thanks for the response. I wrote a reply to Laura but it disappeard before it was submitted properly. I was hoping it would appear some place. I have tried "refresh" and "back." Anyway, the article and the comments have been helpful. I have tried everything to be happy and move on. Thanks for all for sharing and for encouragement. If anyone knows help for temp. housing and for help for getting employed in Atlanta, Cobb County, please help me. Thanks,

  • Posted By: Beach Girl @ 02/12/2008 10:04:58 PM

    Yes, thanks for this article; I am so grateful for it. I just printed it and am calling it my declaration of sanity and normalcy. I was a battered wife; he was alcoholic, adulterous, abusive, etc. I finally left because everyone, including my children, said i should. i finally made the decision after he hit my little boy twice in one day and later i found out some more bad stuff he did to my daughter. However, everything has backfired and gone very badly. He became Disney World Dad and bought my kids away when they became 16. Their lives have been turned upside down and they have gone through some really bad stuff. I hurt so much for them. Then, I hurt so much from their rejection of me and I miss them so much and I am so sad and lonely for them. My mother died recently and I feel like I have lost everbody and everything I cared most about. In fact, my xhusband had an affair with a woman i thought was one of my best friends. Later he and his wife stole the cat i had gotten for my son and me. He kept me in court and torn up emotionally so many years that I am now homeless with no job, no money, no insurance. I've lost everything after trying so hard to be a good wife and mother. Losing my children to the abuser is the worst part. I miss them so much and wish I could meet some people to replace the family I once had. I have a Master's degree and am finally getting stronger after being torn apart by my kids--masterminded by the father--ever since i filed for divorce. Obviously, i wish I hadn't left. I would rather have died the last time he hit me and broke six ribs than to have lost my kids. Now, I have been struggling for a long time to try to get back in job market after battling depression that seemed like normal grieving after all the losses and there have been others besides these. This article says what i have been thinking and only one counselor has ever said this. He told me, "Beth if you came in here and were happy then I'd know something was wrong with you."
    Again, I am so grateful for this article and wish I could meet a group for suport and understanding. I wish I could adopt some kids, but I couldn't even consider meeting other people for years. I still miss my mother and my children so much. For so long, I preferred to die. This article and the comments give me a little hope.
    Thanks,
    Beth
    Atlanta

    • Posted By: lsears68 @ 02/13/2008 4:43:31 PM

      Hey Beth, Ijust recently lost my mom too. I can definately relate to what you have been through I went through some tuff stuff and the kids too. Split my family up for along time. I feel your pain and know your depression and devastation. My little one had bad stuff happen to her so Dad isn't allowed to be in her life which can be just as dentrimental.My older daughter has since come back (was married twice) Anyway I,ve been there if you need some one to talk to, I'm here.
      Laura

      • Posted By: Beach Girl @ 02/17/2008 5:59:16 PM

        hi, i just responded to your kind comments and then it disappeared. thanks for your response. maybe my reply will show up. thanks for caring.

  • Posted By: coolcat @ 02/14/2008 7:59:54 PM

    I apologise for all the question marks in my post. When I pasted this in, they were apostrophes but for some reason it posted it with question marks.

  • Posted By: coolcat @ 02/14/2008 7:53:10 PM

    If wanting to cut part of your ear off when you???re upset is the price to pay for a great muse, I think I???ll pass. But for the most part, I agree with this article. I embrace pessimistic and cynical attitudes. How else would we enjoy dark humour and satire?
    I???m not sure if I???m an optimist or a pessimist overall. I have many days when I get up in the morning and find something in my day to look forward to and I tell myself, ???Today will be a good day.??? But I can also be quite negative sometimes. I don???t play the ???woe is me??? card and try to get people who have bigger problems than I do to feel sorry for me -- but if I have a negative attitude about something, I don???t bother hiding it. If I hide how I feel about something, isn???t that just phoniness?
    And here???s another thing: We humans ENJOY complaining. And to a certain extent, we should. If it???s not done excessively, complaining can be a way to vent feelings and avoid building up frustration. There???s no need for positive thoughts to be omnipresent. A few years ago, when I was in junior high, we went to the gymnasium for a foolish session on a then recently published self-help book. One of the teachers doing the presentation mentioned that if someone breaks up with you, you shouldn???t allow it to ruin your day! What kind of emotionless freak would not have a bad day as a result of a break-up? Why is it that having a bad day now and then is considered so unacceptable and unnecessary now? Besides, might not all this effort to completely alter one???s way of thinking, as promoted by the cult-like touters of The Secret, be much more time-consuming and frustrating than it is actually worth? Let???s face it - some people are just naturally more positive than others, and life would just be boring if we all demonstrated the same positive attitudes.
    I agree with what it says in the article, that people who are perpetually happy are a bit stupid or ???not experiencing the fullness of the human condition???. I???m not saying that to be mean or elitist, but it???s true. People I have encountered who laugh the easiest and seem to be the happiest are also people who contribute little or nothing to intellectual discussions.
    Well, that???s my opinion. This was an interesting article which evoked interesting discussion.

  • Posted By: ellenscheiner @ 02/14/2008 2:34:39 PM

    There is a simple truth: if we don't feel our grief, our sadness, we won't recognize real joy when it arises. Our society is predicated on a "feelgood" mentality which leads us farther and farther away from reality. We miss the experience of what life really is.

  • Posted By: Normal_girl @ 02/12/2008 9:44:15 AM

    She Dun, the article does not say you need to be down and feel sorrow to be productive. But that if you feel like that, don't shush your feelings. They can teach a lot of things about yourself.

    And I don't think being stressed and anger are the same things than being sad. Sadness doesn't trigger heart attacks.

    And why do you think some doctors just give away pills to their patients before even reallyyyy talking to them? Pharmaceutical industry, dear?

    And the article didn't say it's wrong to be happy. It says people at the scale of 8 would seek for better opportunities in life...and 8 is a good grade, don't you agree? But that people who are super satisfied would stick at one point and not move forward.

    And nothing wrong about making people feel happy, but let them feel down sometimes, cos there's nothing wrong with it.

    And who said anything about money? They said only one thing, that people would seek for a better job, a better house or whatever.

    And I don't have a clue about which big business is behind this article... I think it's actually against the big business of numbness happy joy style of life...

    • Posted By: She Dun @ 02/14/2008 7:06:32 AM

      Funny how different people can read the exact same thing and get something totally different out of it!
      It all depends on your frame of mind when you read it. I imagine if I read the same article over on a different day I would get something different out of it that I had never noticed before!
      Don't stress over my answers, I'm just voicing my opinion...you can take it or leave it. Everyone has a right to their own opinion...that was mine.

  • Posted By: Chem_Daddy @ 02/14/2008 4:06:05 AM

    But many seem to feel that science and medicine will provide an answer for everything from feeling bad, to crime, even death itself. Some of the younger among us might even entertain the notion that someday they'll find a cure for every possible thing, including aging, and will be able to prolong both our lifespans and our quality of life indefinitely.

    I'm a firm believer in the ability of science and medicine to do great things for us. But I'm also a realist.

    I know I'll die someday, and I've learned recently that even the simple step of keeping the thought of my own death in my mind, is of great benefit to how I live my life each day.

    I remember (at least in part) how on 9/11, I not only felt the shock and disbelief of those events, but it made me stop and think for a moment about what really mattered most to me. Nothing felt better than to hold my wife when she got home from work that day, and after becoming over saturated with all of the news coverage and airing and re-airing of the buildings coming down, we both decided to turn off the TV and took a moment to go outside, watch the sunset, and feel truly grateful just to be alive, with a warm place to sleep, and food on the table.

    I realized later (after some serious reading on the subjects of anxiety, free will and death) that being confronted with that much death had shaken me (and so many of us) to our foundations, and in the end, though words can't express the tragedy of those events, the effect on our souls wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

    Seeing those towers fall and realizing so many lives had just come to a sudden end before my eyes, put my own death right in front of me, though I didn't know it, and repressed it at the time. But with my own mortality plainly in sight, what mattered most became much clearer.

    I'd go on but I'm just a bumbling fool, in my ability to express this compared to someone like Peter Koestenbaum, whose clarity on these topics has realy helped me to avoid allowing my own feelings of depression to lead me down a darker path then the one I tread today.

    You can check out Peter's weekly leadership thought as well as other selected writings and resources at www.pib.net

    I like how amystriz6 put it: "This is a matter of living an authentic life. Easy to say, difficult to live? I'm willing to give it a try."

  • Posted By: Chem_Daddy @ 02/14/2008 4:05:33 AM

    "Anxiety freely accepted translates into strength difficult to dislodge. Anxiety, far from being a sickness, is the actual experience of being strong, of growing, of building character, of achieving pride. And those are the final values of life, not shallow pleasure, but solid personality."

    "Managing anxiety requires reframing it from being an illness to being an essential step toward health. The breakthrough point to remember is that optimum pain -- the right amount of anxiety -- is exactly how growth feels. Too much anxiety leads to either escape or collapse, and not enough anxiety yields no growth."

    The above is quoted from and article on anxiety by Peter Koestenbaum http://www.pib.net/articles/anxiety.htm

    I think you could read this, replacing "anxiety" with "sadness" and it would still have the same ring of truth to it.

    We certainly can not ignore the realities of actual clinical depression and the need for medication in some situations to help people who do not respond to other types of therapy. But I'm no professional on the topic so don't take my word for it.

    But I have to agree with the general sentiment of the article that perhaps our culture has taken us off course on the ways in which we view and deal with sadness.

    This is not to say that everyone is at the same place on this, because we're all unique in our experiences and what we've learned at whatever stage of life we are at.

  • Posted By: VVhappyday @ 02/12/2008 10:45:02 AM

    Yes, if you want to be sad, then be sad. Who cares if you are happy? . I choose to stay away from people who are unhappy. They annoy me to a great extent. I think because it is easy to be sad. It is certainly not easy to be happy. With the whole emo movement, I see unhappiness as a trend. Oh whoa is you. A million small violins play across the world because you are not happy.

    • Posted By: hallsr171 @ 02/12/2008 2:00:20 PM

      That seems extremely selfish, and extremely compassionless. Not everyone is built the same as you. It may be that your intent on earth is to share your happiness with those who have little or none of it...I don't know.

      • Posted By: VVhappyday @ 02/13/2008 4:16:49 PM

        Um, no - you are completely wrong. It simply angers me that people write such nonsense! Who cares if this one person is upset that he is fought about being happy! There is a movement against happiness now! Of course there is! Why wouldn't there be? It is just ridiculous!

    • Posted By: Terrils @ 02/12/2008 4:41:52 PM

      I sincerely hope your loved ones, assuming you have any, never suffer any grief that causes them to turn to you for compassion or comfort.

      • Posted By: VVhappyday @ 02/13/2008 4:14:40 PM

        oh please, my statement was in reference to a freakin book being written about being unhappy and the fight against people trying to make him happy! People who are generally unhappy are usually so self-centered - I simply cannot stand to be around them. It isnt about anyone suffering a great loss - way to read into it! I made the statement about the emo trend - because this book reminds me of it. Get of fyour high horse.

  • Posted By: amystriz6 @ 02/13/2008 10:40:59 AM

    I think this article makes a good point in saying that we (personally and culturally) should not ignore or discount our feelings of sadness. As humans, we have a wide range of emotions that serve specific purposes. However, I don't think we can label any emotion as good or bad. Each feeling we have is valid simply because we feel it.

    Judging our emotions creates unnecessary discord within us. We experience additional feelings of guilt, insecurity, worry, etc. Trying to feel a certain way (blissful) when we feel another (depressed) also creates discord. Performing tasks or engaging in activities our culture deems positive, does not necessarily make us happy. We can't fake it. Our hearts know better.

    A consistent state of well-being doesn't come from feeling happy 100% of the time. Perhaps it is derived from being honest with ourselves about how we are feeling, and allowing ourselves to actually feel the emotion instead of immediately trying to fight against it. Think of a child. When they are angry, they scream. When they are sad, they cry. When they are happy, they laugh. They feel their emotions, process them, then move on. They do not try to be or act a certain way. They are true to themselves.

    As adults, we can live in accordance with who we truly are in each moment. We might just feel a greater sense of relief and well-being because of it. This is not a debate of happy or sad. This is a matter of living an authentic life.

    Easy to say, difficult to live? I'm willing to give it a try.

  • Posted By: The Him @ 02/12/2008 8:17:43 PM

    I just wrote a wonderful, prolific, essay-style explanation of my views here, but unfortunately it's over the 3000 character limit. Therefore, I will unfortunately have to shorten my explanation. Bah, humbug. OK, super-short version:
    Sadness and Depression are two points on the scale of happiness. They are, however, dramatically different. Sadness is when you're "stuck in a rut", so to speak. Depression, though, is when you're stuck in a pitfall. Never say they're the same, or I'll haunt you for the rest of your life.
    Melancholy, though, is a little different, in that it is when you don't allow happiness or sadness to affect you. Sad people are unfortunately labeled as depressed, and melancholic people are unfortunately labeled as pessimists. Society's done quite a head job on us.

    • Posted By: methuenmama @ 02/13/2008 10:07:13 AM

      That entry was very helpful to me, as was the original article. Your definition of melancholy was enlightening too, so thanks!

  • Posted By: burbank @ 02/13/2008 4:03:14 AM

    Mabye its about time we give up the notion that happiness should be a constant in our lives. We have been led down a primrose path by those who tell us that the latest bauble will give us a sense of personal well being, only to find that we have financed our own misery at 22%. Perhaps we should look at the grey days as hidden lessons which remind us that we realy do have a lot to be thankfull for. Remember, it was after Christ's suffering in the garden, when all had deserted him and he was betrayed by one he trusted, that he gave us the gift of redemption on the cross.

  • Posted By: Santiago @ 02/13/2008 1:22:50 AM

    This is how we get over a chapter and we enter another.

  • Posted By: annalivia @ 02/12/2008 6:51:52 PM

    This is absolute bollocks is what this is. There is a huge, I mean HUGE, difference between being sad about an event and suffering from clinical depression. I was 8 yeas old the first time I considered suicide. I grew up in a loving home with a wonderful family who I love very much and lived nothing that closely resembled anything that could be considered a difficult childhood. I don't know why I was sad. And it took me 25 years to finally agree to treatment b/c of the stigma that you don't need some kind of happy pill - just get over it.
    I take anti-depressants, and trust me, it didn't shield me from the pain of break-ups, loss of jobs, betrayal by friends or the loss of a loved one. But it alowed me to grieve with a healing purpose, and afterward I could be happy again, not just a lesser degree of sad.

    • Posted By: oregon33333 @ 02/13/2008 1:13:27 AM

      It's says in the artical that people with problems for more than two weeks do have problems, and you did so you needed treatment. But for the rest of us who are told we need to be happy all the time and not express saddness, this is what they are talking about. I can't even express to my friends I'm upset about my husband not being allowed to work because he's an alien and we just got married, I'm not happy right now and I can't act that way in public it's against the rules, it's more or a cultural issue on how people act then a personal medical problem like you have
      I went traveling to europe and noticed that people don't act nice to you like they do here
      and it is refreshing because here people who say hello with a smile and then stab you in the back quicker than you would realize, at least there you would know they would screw you from the first moment, no fake smiling

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