Happiness: Enough Already

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  • Posted By: grace garrison @ 02/13/2008 12:44:02 AM

    I think Happiness and Saddness are what they are a state of mind at any given time or circumstance. Trying to be happy all the time is virtually impossible. Eventually something happens to someone or something to remind us of what it means to be happy or sad, Like the writer says life runs it's course. How we choose to look and/or feel towards everyday events creates the state of mind of which we choose to feel. Just a thought because life is ful of choices and some can be as we all know life altering. Happy or sad, being a live to feel such emotions can be the best experience to living.

  • Posted By: skellitiod @ 02/12/2008 11:26:55 PM

    This stuff is very true. If people weren???t so happy all the time than they could wake up, and finally do something about the condition of our world. It's to bad though that the only reason that they made this article was because of some studies that if people weren???t so happy then they would try harder to make more money. They just want to try and manipulate people so that they can raise the economy.
    We have the power though to use this sad energy how ever we choose. This energy is coming from the world that is now in decay. It is a warning sign for us to wake up and make some changes. Don???t listen to the warning signs that they are putting out there for us. Listen to the warning signs inside of yourselves. They try and say that we are going through global warming, but how do you explain our whole solar system warming up. That right, every planet is getting warmer. They are just using this stuff for political reasons. The new people trying to get into higher places are using these tactics to get the old people out of office so that they can be voted in. They don???t really want to do anything to help the world. They don???t really want to give us any real information on what???s going on because it will ruin profits. 30 years ago they were talking about global cooling in the same way that they are talking about global warming today. Look it up for your selves and see. You still might be able to catch the last failed attempts of the politicians still in office a few years ago trying to fight for their stand.
    The only things that they claim are good for our planet are things that will help them sell their products. For example when companies say, ???we???ve gone green! 30% less plastic because we care about the environment,??? they are just saying that to appeal to the new political stands. They are only using 30% less plastic because it saves them millions in production. We don???t need them to tell us what???s wrong with us, our planet and what we need to do about it. It???s already inside of us.

  • Posted By: skellitiod @ 02/12/2008 11:26:30 PM

    This stuff is very true. If people weren???t so happy all the time than they could wake up, and finally do something about the condition of our world. It's to bad though that the only reason that they made this article was because of some studies that if people weren???t so happy then they would try harder to make more money. They just want to try and manipulate people so that they can raise the economy.
    We have the power though to use this sad energy how ever we choose. This energy is coming from the world that is now in decay. It is a warning sign for us to wake up and make some changes. Don???t listen to the warning signs that they are putting out there for us. Listen to the warning signs inside of yourselves. They try and say that we are going through global warming, but how do you explain our whole solar system warming up. That right, every planet is getting warmer. They are just using this stuff for political reasons. The new people trying to get into higher places are using these tactics to get the old people out of office so that they can be voted in. They don???t really want to do anything to help the world. They don???t really want to give us any real information on what???s going on because it will ruin profits. 30 years ago they were talking about global cooling in the same way that they are talking about global warming today. Look it up for your selves and see. You still might be able to catch the last failed attempts of the politicians still in office a few years ago trying to fight for their stand.
    The only things that they claim are good for our planet are things that will help them sell their products. For example when companies say, ???we???ve gone green! 30% less plastic because we care about the environment,??? they are just saying that to appeal to the new political stands. They are only using 30% less plastic because it saves them millions in production. We don???t need them to tell us what???s wrong with us, our planet and what we need to do about it. It???s already inside of us.

  • Posted By: cobi @ 02/12/2008 10:17:45 PM

    TV has one happines guru after another parade their joy and advice for happiness on the air. Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra and all the health and anti-aging gurus as well. It's an overwhelming bombardment of "wise" people telling you how to live happily and healthily. Personally, I can't take them anymore. There's too much to do. Too many things to remember. Too many changes to make. Too many books to buy. THAT'S what makes me sad.....the fact that I'll NEVER be as happy and blissful as they say I can and should be, because all of them together have too much to say and little old me gets overwhelmed and mixed up and don't know where to even start ! I can't watch them anymore or tv. It's just to hard seeing that unreachable goal.

    cobi

  • Posted By: Northern Wrider @ 02/12/2008 9:46:33 PM

    The "depression+pill=happiness" is a pretty rediculous notion to me. I think it does help, I do think it is good for some people. While it should be far enough in the public to make it acceptible for those who need it, it should never have reached the point wher it is hip or where announcing you take antidepressives are an automatic in to sympathy, respect, or, dare I say, admiration. People should not be telling people take a pill, be happy. There is, though, no reason why we can't encourage people to be happy and there is no reason at all why some study should teach us to strive for being slightly under-happy. For goodness sake, can we all stop focusing on society and the pressure and its focus and the eternal drive to do whatever it is that society puts on us, and can we all just be happy as we are? Be happy, or upset, or bawling our eyes out? Tears are as good as laughter sometimes and sometimes they are definately more attainable. We should accept what we are facing and if it takes the blurriness of tears to offer us clarity on how to move ahead to our place of peace, why can't that be okay? Certainly it is better than denial. Moreso, I think our society, along with the teaching us that pills=happiness (and then complain about drug problems...) need to teach us that hurting yourslef and others is not okay. Not due to religion, due to yourself. And there is no going back, hurting anything leaves scars on evrything and everyone involved and we need to represent that. Pills were produced to avoid that and, as enlightening as this whole study is and as great as it is to hear that going "natural" isn't going to kill us, I hope to Heaven that people don't read this and say, "Okay, might as well throw these down the toilet then." What happens next? Pills are not good for everyone and the majority of us should definately just be combating our roller coaster lives the oldfashioned way, but there are people who do need them. So let's hope they realize that, especially considering the reluctance so many poeople who take antidepressants have. Let us hope they don't decide to stop. And meanwhile, how about we all do strive for happiness. Utter happiness, which will allow us to see and help other's pains and not doubt ourselves in feeling happy. There is nothing wrong with supreme happiness, there is nothing wrong with bliss. None of us were born to it, so let's try for it and not decide that being depressed is as cool as being "emo" or goth. Let's embrace color and laughter, and not scream out, "Our anger is our elevator."

  • Posted By: alelas @ 02/12/2008 9:08:15 PM

    i just wonder how many depressed people will actually feel happy after reading their sadness is not a bad thing....

  • Posted By: alelas @ 02/12/2008 9:07:30 PM

    I just wonder how many depressed people will feel "happy" after reading their sadness is not a bad thing.

  • Posted By: sevakandi @ 02/12/2008 8:56:43 PM

    At last! A glimmer of sanity is fighting its way through the relentless selfishness of American culture. The happiness brigades are the continuing outgrowth of the Me generation and the image-driven intolerance for imperfection. If you're weeping you must be somehow aberrant, because "real" people don't make scenes, don't allow "negative" emotions to spill out in public, don't drag their friends down, etc. Per the popular view, obviously these poor twits m!ust be unable to handle life if they can't be up and happy all the time. I have resented the "smile, be happy!" foot soldiers since I was 5 years old watching a parade from the curb and a clown got in my face trying to make me smile. I didn't want to smile on command. i would smile if there was something worth smiling about, thank you. I will not smile to make you happy. I am not such a hypocrit as to pretend nothing is wrong so I don't ruin your perfect day. Failure of compassion is half of what is wrong with our society. Failing to understand that people do actually have bad days and sometimes need to vent emotions, which may include tears, rage, sadness, and the full gamut of "negative" emotions, is a manifestation of the utter selfishness of most people, who require that no one bother them or make them uncomfortable in any way. "Take a pill" is indeed the modern mantra. Zone out, become a zombie, don't bother me with your problems. Geez, how much effort does it take to set your hand on someone's shoulder and say, "Are you having a bad day?" when they take your head off or are crying in their car. Instead, most people make it all about themselves, taking another's sadness or anger as an imposition or a personal attack. God forbid we should reach out and find out what's wrong and offer our help.

    Thank you for your enlightening article, which I hope will open many eyes which see only what they want to see--a person they feel uncomfortable helping and therefore ignore as much as possible, because they themselves have swallowed hook, line, and sinker the stupid notion that only happiness is normal and everything else is a "condition".

  • Posted By: tnc123 @ 02/12/2008 8:24:45 PM

    I am from Pakistan's south easteran part known as Sindh. We have many philosophies for happiness and sorrows. In my school I remmeber I read one of the local philosopher who gave me the meaning of happiness. He says "The happiness is like a person who is weeping out sorrows with tears and a bowl is kept below his face tears drop into the bowel. When the bowel is full some tears drop on the floor those tears that drop on floor are actually the happiness."

    Happiness is product of sadness.

    An other big philosopher of ours say in a poem.

    Sorrows come before the pleausres.
    I will sacrifice pleasure
    with the sweet sorrows.

    Jamal Panhwar

  • Posted By: tnc123 @ 02/12/2008 8:22:37 PM

    I am from Pakistan's south easteran part known as Sindh. We have many philosophies for happiness and sorrows. In my school I remmeber I read one of the local philosopher who gave me the meaning of happiness. He says "The happiness is like a person who is weeping out sorrows with tears and a bowl is kept below his face tears drop into the bowel. When the bowel is full some tears drop on the floor those tears that drop on floor are actually the happiness."

    Happiness is product of sadness.

    An other big philosopher of ours say in a poem.

    Sorrows come before the pleausres.
    I will sacrifice pleasure
    with the sweet sorrows.

    Jamal Panhwar

  • Posted By: Bill_Rowcliffe @ 02/12/2008 7:06:28 PM

    Did you ever think that the reason successful people are "depressed" could be just because they see the world in a more realistic way. I know durring the most successful periods of my life, when I was most responsible and saw the world more realistically, I defined happyness as Ignorance.

    • Posted By: posty @ 02/12/2008 8:02:44 PM

      Why do pessimists always call themselves realists?

      • Posted By: The Him @ 02/12/2008 8:08:29 PM

        Pessimists call themselves realists because they are not pessimists. You have to consider the whole issue on two scales: 1. How happy you are, and 2. How much you let that affect your life. Realists are the people who don't let happiness or sadness dictate their lives, they simply take things as they really are, and make much more educated decisions because of that.

        • Posted By: Trevortni @ 02/12/2008 8:21:44 PM

          In other words, realists don't exist.

      • Posted By: The Him @ 02/12/2008 8:06:35 PM

        Pessimists call themselves realists because they are not pessimists. You have to view the entire issue on two different scales: 1. How happy you are, and 2. How much you let that affect your life. Realists are the people who don't let happiness or sadness affect their life, they just take things for what they really are and can make much more educated decisions because of it.

  • Posted By: 2 sense @ 02/12/2008 8:17:50 PM

    Agreed! The feeling of happiness only exits because of the existance of sadness. It is a frame of reference to help us quanitfy and measure life's outcomes as per our individual determination of needs from life. What makes one person happy may have no relation to what another person may find as joyful. Our feelings are what make us different, unique, and serves to provide opportunities to shake things up when not happy, or stick your head in the sand to stay happy. Contentment is another story.

  • Posted By: 2 sense @ 02/12/2008 8:11:31 PM

    Agreed! "Happy" people just want to maintain the status quo and not dig into the heart of any matters. You need sad to appreciate happy and vice versa. It provides a natural frame of reference.

  • Posted By: Sue R @ 02/12/2008 8:09:56 PM

    I am glad for this article. I work full-time providing grief support for families of hospice patients and others in the community. So many times others are impatient with sadness that is so much a part of grief. Doctors want to give a pill when someone's just lost a spouse of 50 years. It's healthier to allow ourselves all the feelings that come rather than to push down everything but the acceptable ones. For me, my biggest struggle with depression was when I was a teen, with no place to talk about my sadness after my mother died. It took finally working through that sadness to come back to joy.

  • Posted By: brilliance @ 02/12/2008 12:00:14 PM

    Sadness isn't lazy; however, ignorance IS bliss, apparently.

  • Posted By: tymerazor @ 02/12/2008 6:49:29 PM

    Oh yes, there are certainly good things about sadness. Sad people tend to see the world in more realistic terms than happy people. And there are certainly plenty of situations in which sadness is completely appropriate and understandable. And sadness comes in many levels. Someone may be mildly sad or downright suicidal. To say someone is depressed doesn't really mean much until you find out what this means for the individual. How deep is their depression? What one person with depression is feeling may be vastly different from what someone else with depression may be dealing with. I think you should be careful about using labels such as sad or happy to describe someone. These labels are meaningless. They don't tell us exactly how the person is feeling and what thoughts are going through their head. I must also mention the side effects of these medications, which you brought up in your article. Anti-depressants don't have any debilitating side effects. In this sense they are much more easy to deal with than other medications, say for instance, anti-psychotics. Really all that most of them do is give people more energy and some of them have sexual side effects. I must also point out that often they don't work. Anyway, just some thoughts to think about. Good article.

  • Posted By: annalivia @ 02/12/2008 6:44:41 PM

    There is a huge, HUGE difference between riding out a difficult time and "crying a little and getting over it" and not being able to get out of bed for reasons you don't even knopw yourself. Yes, I agree there are some people who can't stand the thought of being sad and will turn to prescription or illegal meds to keep from feeling the pain. But when it is caused by a chemical imbalance to where you can remember being sad and suicidal as an 8 year old , even though you grew up in a beautiful house with a loving family and nothing that would anywhere respresnt a difficult childhood, simply letting yourself be miserable for no reason for 25 years is not a way to live.

    I take antidepressants, and guess what? It didn't stop my divorce from hurting. it didn't stop me from being scared and depressed when I had a cancer scare. I can feel sadness, and trust me, I do. But when the time to grief is over I can be happy again instead of just a lesser degree of sad.

  • Posted By: artzyinthecity @ 02/12/2008 6:41:58 PM

    i really enjoyed the perspective here... it's true... there is an ebb and flow to life and the sad times can make a life just that much deeper and richer. Very good.

  • Posted By: Trevortni @ 02/12/2008 3:39:22 PM

    This discussion reminds me of something I've been wondering about for a while:

    Let's say I manage to do everything right in my life. I get into a rewarding, fulfilling career, doing something I love doing, and never grow tired of doing it. I also find a woman who is a perfect fit for me, and we get married and have have 2.5 beautiful kids. Our relationship only deepens through the years, and while everything's not always perfect, love and hard work manage to see us through every difficulty. I devote a fair amount of time to helping out others less fortunate than myself, and I see some really good things happen because of it. Throughout my ultimately satisfying career, marriage, and chaitable efforts, there naturally are challenges, and everythings not always perfect, but at the end of the day I'm able to look back on my life and agree that I've done well, and I don't have any substantial regrets; I've even had all the fun I could ever hope to have had along the way, and I have no lack.

    Then what?

    How do you measure success? If I succeed according to every standard of success you could possibly measure me by, does that give my life meaning?

    Has anyone else here ever had similar questions?
    Trevortni@mail.com

    • Posted By: macbeth05 @ 02/12/2008 5:25:37 PM

      What your really asking is, what is the meaning of life? I recognize that I may be lining myself up to get my head bitten off, but the next question I have is, do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? I have found myself in the same boat. I suggest your read Ecclesiastes. Even if you do not believe in God, you'll find it an interesting read. I'd write more, but I am a new poster and it doesn't let me post much.




      enough

      • Posted By: Trevortni @ 02/12/2008 6:33:44 PM

        Look about 16 posts earlier.

  • Posted By: Mad Molly @ 02/12/2008 6:22:04 PM

    people who do not believe in medicating depression have never experienced true depression. Period. What you are talking about is feeling down or sad as a result of something disappointing that happened. Of course this should not be medicated. Also, it is extremely ignorant to think that anti-deppressants cure depression. They barely put a dent in it. They do however prevent suicide and self injurous behavior. What you are saying is dangerous. You run the risk of making someone feel ashamed of seeking help or attempting treatment. You think your better because you're not medicated. The truth is, you're just lucky. You were blessed with good brain chemistry. Don't assume for one second that you can imagine what depression feels like, and don't stigmatize those who suffer in ways you can't comprehend. Dumped by a boyfriend. Honestly. You insult everyone who suffers from mental illness by thinking this qualifies as depression.

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