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CAMPAIGN 2008

What These Eyes Have Seen

He's endured the unendurable, and survived. Inside the mind and heart of John McCain.

By Evan Thomas | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Feb 11, 2008

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  • Posted By: Territc @ 07/22/2008 10:46:18 AM

    Comment: What! What has he seen? Nothing fool. Has he seen thorugh the eyes of a 6 year old's who hasn't eatern for a week, whose bones are sticking out of body, whose skin is stretched so tightly over those bones that is shines. Has he seen through the eyes of a two year old sitting next to the dead boy of his mother murdered by rebels. He has not seen nothing! He uses his POW status as the basis of his election. That gives you no rights at all to even consider yourself Presidential material.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/23/2008 10:20:38 AM

    Comment: Barack Hussein Obama's Political Views

    Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002)




    Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)



    Voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home. (2004)



    Voted against restrictions on public funding of abortion. (2000)



    Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007)



    Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)



    Legal rights for gays are conferred by state, not by church. (Aug 2007)



    Gay marriage is less important that equal gay rights. (Aug 2007)



    Gay rights movement is somewhat like civil rights movement. (Aug 2007)



    Let each denominations decide on recognizing gay marriage. (Jul 2007)



    Supports health benefits for gay civil partners. (Oct 2006)

    Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)



    Extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants. (Jul 1998)

    Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. (Nov 2007)



    Forthright on racial issues and on his civil rights history. (Jul 2004)



    Supports affirmative action in colleges and government. (Jul 1998)



    Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws. (Jul 1998)



    Miscegenation a felony in 1960 when Obama's practiced it. (Aug 1996)



    Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)



    Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)



    Rated 100% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)



    Need justice that is not just us, but is everybody. (Jun 2007)



    Videotape all capital punishment interrogations. (Oct 2006)



    Battles legislatively against the death penalty. (Jul 2004)



    Supports alternative sentencing and rehabilitation. (Jul 1998)



    Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)



    Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)



  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/23/2008 10:13:20 AM

    Comment: The Many "Quotes" of Barack Obama

    "I don't think my church is particularly controversial."

    Rev. Wright is "like an old uncle who sometimes says things I don't agree with."

    "The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

    "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

    "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself..".

    "I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."

    "The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."

    "...I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

    "I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator."

    "I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying."

    "You know, my faith is one that admits some doubt."

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/23/2008 10:04:26 AM

    Comment: I guess Barack is shaken by all the bloggers and websites floating the Net because he has formed a "dream team" to help fight us! Senator Obama has formed a team to battle his negative image on the Internet. Why would he be concerned about articles that he claims are lies and misconceptions? Do you think that maybe a good percentage of those articles may speak the truth?

    Is it coincidence that Obama graduated from Harvard, a school with one of the largest Muslim organizations (HIS - Harvard Islamic Society) located on campus since 1955.

    Is it coincidence that Barack was repulsed by a very successful Republican President Ronald Reagan and is enamored by one of our worst Presidents in history Jimmy Carter?

    Is it coincidence that Larry Sinclair is getting death threats after stating he had a drug encounter and two gay sex encounters with Obama about 8 years ago?

    Is it coincidence that Obama had absolutely NO PROBLEM with his church or pastor until the year that he ran for President and then he amazingly saw the light?

    Is it coincidence that Barack received donations from, visited the home of and is friends with Pentagon and Police Headquarters Bomber William Ayres? Is that Liberal enough for you?

    Is it coincidence that 16 times convicted felon Tony Rezko donated thousands to Obama's campaign in Illinois, basically buying him the election, than receiving millions in Illinois contracts for himself and associates?

    Is it coincidental that Obama has all these questionable ties and with little to no political experience has received over $264 Million in campaign contributions?

    Is it going to be coincidence when Democratic opponents John Edwards receives an Attorney General's position and Hillary Clinton will get a Supreme Court nomination for their quick change in support FOR Barack Hussein Obama should he be victorious in November?

    Who is controlling this puppet. We may find out soon enough. I guess this article and others will put us on the Internet dream team's radar. Bring it on Obama Sheeple, you can't handle the truth!

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/23/2008 10:03:11 AM

    Comment: It was reported by all the major news networks that Barack Obama drew a crowd of over 70,000 to hear him speak in Oregon. What the liberal media does not tell you is that the true crowd drawer was the concert that occurred just before his speech.



    The real rock stars at the Obama event were the members of a popular Oregon beat combo calling itself the Decemberists. Yes, just like the 1825 Russian uprising. Wikipedia states: "The band has used the National Anthem of the Soviet Union as an introduction at many concerts." Oh, no wonder they're opening for Neville Chamberlain.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/23/2008 9:33:02 AM

    Comment: Police officers in Portland, Oregon, are still waiting for an apology from Barack Obama after campaign staffers of his recent rally in Portland, Oregon, setup porta potties directly on top of the Portland Police Memorial, which honors the agency???s 25 fallen police officers.

    The Obama rally drew a crowd of over 75,000 people.



    Officer Thomas Brennan, who was working overtime at the rally, took a picture of the offending toilets, with the American flag still at half mast because of Police Officers Memorial Day, directly behind them. The local law enforcement memorial service had been held at the site only five days earlier.



    Despite a large amount of open areas in the vicinity, the campaign staffers claimed the toilets were placed on the memorial for safety reasons to accommodate wheelchair access.



    At a time when Law Enforcement Officers are losing their lives in the line of duty on a daily basis, the Obama campaign shows NO SYMPATHY! Barack is ANTI LAW ENFORCEMENT! That is proven in his voting record. He votes for laws to protect the criminal more than for the police officer or law abiding citizen! The Obama campaign has not responded to requests for an apology.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 06/23/2008 9:31:43 AM

    Comment: President Obama Signs $8500.00 Per Household Tax Into Law: Funds To Go To The United Nations To Combat Global Poverty!



    Make no mistake, the headline above is a lot closer to fact than you may think! So if you're wondering what an Obama presidency would be like, look no further than the above headline!



    What the media is NOT telling you is that Barack Hussein Obama does, in fact, have a legislative record in the Senate and one of his proudest accomplishments is The Global Poverty Act (S. 2433).


    But wait just a minute! Isn't combating poverty around the world a noble goal?



    Well... the devil, as they say, is in the details!



    Some conservative leaders are already sounding the alarm and telling us that, if passed, Barack Hussein Obama's Global Poverty Act will commit us to a stealth United Nations-inspired global tax of $845 Billion dollars... that comes to approximately an $8500.00 tax burden for every household in the United States!



    Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media wrote: "The legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'"



    "The plan passed the House in 2007 'because most members didn't realize what was in it.' Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."



    Remember the Food for Oil Scandal? Let's face it; the United Nation's actual record on ending pain and suffering around the world is pathetic and dismal.



    The questions to ask are, first, how much of our money that goes to the United Nations right now actually winds up lining the pockets of third-world dictators and despots? And, second, if Obama's plan succeeds, how much of his new $845 billion giveaway will end up in those same pockets?



    Barack Hussein Obama's Global Poverty Act MUST be STOPPED! Time is of the essence! Obama's Global Poverty Act actually has the support of some prominent RINOs such as Senator Richard Lugar and Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden, who just pushed Obama's world welfare bill out of committee. It could be up for a vote in the Senate AT ANY TIME!



    Barack Hussein Obama MUST be stopped. But more importantly, his so-called Global Poverty Act -- which has already passed in the House (because most Members simply didn't know what was in it) and is presently being pushed through the Senate -- MUST be stopped.


    This $845 Billion is not included in the $874 Billion on the Barack Spend-O-Meter! This new debt would break the Trillion Dollar mark!

  • Posted By: WhenStarsTurnBlue @ 06/22/2008 6:08:59 AM

    Comment: This is a weird article. It starts out interesting enough with insight into his family history and time as a POW< but then kind of meanders into Washington gossip with no sources willing to be named.

    Teddy Roosevelt was known to be a hothead. And if I ever met Donald Rumsfield, I'd yell at him too.

  • Posted By: Nins @ 06/22/2008 2:35:59 AM

    Comment: WillNotVote, I just love it when you set yourself up to be schooled. You give a web address for the Obama's page on the Senate.gov website. Each Senator sets up their own pages there. You have directed the reader to Obama's page where he prints, for the world to see, his voting record on every bill that comes before the Senate. Here is that address:

    http://obama.senate.gov/votes/index.cfm?start=1

    You sent the reader to this page because it shows that Obama did not vote on many of the recent bills, and you want to make it look like Obama is asleep on the job. It must be mentioned, however, that Clinton, McCain and Obama have all missed many votes during the campaign season. However, if the reader will take the trouble to page through Obama's voting record, they will see that Obama has been present for all of the important votes. Obama has been present and voted on 62 of the 154 bills before Congress in the current session beginning January 2008. Clinton has voted on 56 of these 154 bills. And McCain, who had already won the primary and didn't have to start campaigning against Obama until three weeks ago, McCain voted on only 33 of 154 bills.

    As I have exposed in one of my earlier blogs, McCain missed more than half of his votes, even before he started running for President. In the First Session of the 110th Congress (2007), McCain missed a whopping 56% of his votes. McCain doesn't want you to know this, so when you go to his Senate web page, there is no tab to click to see his voting record (http://mccain.senate.gov). An American who wants to know how McCain votes has to look it up on the Library of Congress website (not user friendly) or go to the Washington Post website:

    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/

    While you are there, pay special attention to McCain's votes on March 13 and 14, 2008. On those days we know he was present, because he voted on 22 bills. But he refused to vote on 22 other bills. He failed to vote on bills concerning border security, alien removal and English in the workplace, even though he has set himself up as the candidate who wants immigration reform favorable to Hispanics. He also failed to vote on the bills regarding efficient energy production, even though he claims to be in favor of this. He must not be very much in favor of efficient energy and immigration reform since her refused to vote even though he was present. As for Obama and Clinton, they were both present those days, and they both voted on all 44 bills.

    McCain knows that public perception is all that matters, so he gives a news conference and says he supports certain issues, even though he refuses to vote in favor of them. He knows that most Americans never take the time to look up his voting record, and he makes sure that his Senate web page doesn't include this information.

    I find it ironic that your blogger name is "WillNotVote." Did you get that name from John McCain?

  • Posted By: Thevail @ 06/04/2008 6:02:46 PM

    Comment: I will NEVER denigrate John McCain's service to his country in the war.

    I will NEVER STOP denigrating his useless (57% of votes missed) misguided (95% of votes according to BUSH & CO. policy), and flip-floppy ( I was against the tax cuts for the rich until I needed their money to run for president) service to this country in the senate.

    Being a war hero may make you tough..but it DOES NOT MAKE YOU SMART.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 04/20/2008 8:31:56 AM

    Comment: Get off the pott. God has nothing to do with this war in Iraq. Nobody is questioning MCCain service .So we all crack sooner or later. Just don't try to sell me superman. Cause superman don't age. From hero to corruption Keating five. Latent DARK SIDE to him is avoided by press.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 04/20/2008 8:31:48 AM

    Comment: Get off the pott. God has nothing to do with this war in Iraq. Nobody is questioning MCCain service .So we all crack sooner or later. Just don't try to sell me superman. Cause superman don't age. From hero to corruption Keating five. Latent DARK SIDE to him is avoided by press.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 04/20/2008 8:31:39 AM

    Comment: Get off the pott. God has nothing to do with this war in Iraq. Nobody is questioning MCCain service .So we all crack sooner or later. Just don't try to sell me superman. Cause superman don't age. From hero to corruption Keating five. Latent DARK SIDE to him is avoided by press.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 04/20/2008 8:31:30 AM

    Comment: Get off the pott. God has nothing to do with this war in Iraq. Nobody is questioning MCCain service .So we all crack sooner or later. Just don't try to sell me superman. Cause superman don't age. From hero to corruption Keating five. Latent DARK SIDE to him is avoided by press.

  • Posted By: Army4RangeR @ 04/13/2008 11:38:56 PM

    Comment: JOHN MCCAIN IS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE TYPE OF MAN THAT ALL OF US SHOULD STRIVE TO BE!!!! HE IS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE ANY POSSIBLE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. THEY WHIN WHEN THERE'S A NEW RUMOR, A NEW LIE REVEALED..THIS MAN KNOWS PERSECUTION AND PAIN, AND IS ABLE TO HOLD HIS HEAD UP HIGH..I SALUTE HIM, I PRAY THAT GOD HAS STILL ENOUGH LOVE FOR THIS NATION THAT HE WILL SPEAK TO THE HEARTS OF MEN AND WOMEN ACROSS THIS VAST NATION TO SEE THIS IS OUR ONLY HOPE FOR SURVIVAL!!!! GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA..GOD BLESS OUR SELFLESS MILITARY AROUND THE WORLD WHO ALLOWS EACH OF US TO SLEEP SAFELY EACH NIGHT.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 06/22/2008 21:40:08

      Comment: Yes, everyone should leave their handicap wives to marry someone rich and 20 years younger. The guy is far from being a saint.

      And God is speaking to this nation - he is saying " vote for Obama "

  • Posted By: Thevail @ 04/13/2008 7:38:14 PM

    Comment: McCain is a real American Hero. But being a hero doesn't qualify you to be president, sorry.
    What his eyes have seen, nearly three quarters of a century. God Bless John McCain, it's been a long, full, and glorious life, it's time for him to relax now, his fighting days are long gone.

  • Posted By: lkhollis @ 04/04/2008 12:14:29 AM

    Comment: What ever happened to being proud of our American heroes?? Does a man have to die in combat before his efforts & sacrifices are appreciated? McCain knows first hand what we are up against, and what has to be done to clean up this mess Bush is leaving in his wake. Granted, we shouldn't be over there to begin with, but tough ***, we are. And now we have to finish what we started. McCain is the only candidate qualified to handle the situation.

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 04/01/2008 4:51:32 PM

    Comment: What videos do hanoi and Russia have of him in prison. Explain the wet-start of his plane on the Forrestal carier,before the carrier blew up.His is an accident waiting to happen. America can't afford him. How many planes did he Than lose in 10 hr. of flying. 6,5,4,3, ? I rid 6 on a web site. Was there a cover up and would he be blackmailed. Show all the records and not just cherry pick.A real hero has nothing to hide. If he is superman,why is he so Old.

  • Posted By: JohnGaltlaketahoe @ 03/28/2008 12:59:15 PM

    Comment: The neocon controlled Bush Administration staged the 9/11 attacks in order to justify the imperial conquest of American military power into the oil soaked Middle East.

    Only the oil remains. No weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. No mobile biological weapons labs were found in Iraq. Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium. The aluminum tubes were not suitable for nuclear use. The lead hijacker in the events of 9/11 did not meet with Iraqi intelligence. Iraq did not provide chemical weapons training to Al-Qaeda. There was no relationship between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Hussein nor Iraq was involved in the events of September 11, 2001. Only the oil remains. The anti-trust violations of this State Department and Executive Branch are massive.

    This war on terror has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda was created and sponsored by the CIA during the 1970's Afghanistan war all the way up to the 1990 and the begining of the first Gulf War. Al-Qaeda involvement in the events of 9/11 has a sponsor.

    Dick Cheney's private and secretly held meetings described as his ENERGY TASK FORCE are swimming in anti-trust violations regarding the soaring price of oil which is not related to market conditions,,,, rather...related to the mechanisms of the US STATE DEPARTMENT AND THIS EXECUTIVE BRANCH waging illegal international aggression for the confiscation and hostile takeover of IRAQI NATURAL RESOURCES.

  • Posted By: Be- Real @ 03/20/2008 7:32:29 PM

    Comment: Does America need a President whom a group of geriatric Vietnamese can scoff about in awe about how he was once under their authority as a P.O.W

  • Posted By: codetoad @ 03/17/2008 3:48:29 PM

    Comment: Top current advisers to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign last
    year lobbied for a European plane maker that beat Boeing to a $35
    billion Air Force tanker contract, taking sides in a bidding fight
    that McCain has tried to referee for more than five years. Two of the
    advisers gave up their lobbying work when they joined McCain's
    campaign. A third, former Texas Rep. Tom Loeffler, lobbied for the
    European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. while serving as McCain's
    national finance chairman.

    What a scumbag

  • Posted By: codetoad @ 03/17/2008 3:47:57 PM

    Comment: Top current advisers to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign last
    year lobbied for a European plane maker that beat Boeing to a $35
    billion Air Force tanker contract, taking sides in a bidding fight
    that McCain has tried to referee for more than five years. Two of the
    advisers gave up their lobbying work when they joined McCain's
    campaign. A third, former Texas Rep. Tom Loeffler, lobbied for the
    European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. while serving as McCain's
    national finance chairman.

    What a scumbag

  • Posted By: tiredoflibs @ 02/29/2008 8:57:46 PM

    Comment: No Billary or Odrama! They stand little chance of producing results from their hype and lies. And get a grib on the Iraq 100 yrs thing. We need to be there as long as it takes to complete our mission. How long have we been in Japan and Germany? If we back out, we fail and prove we are cowards that can't stay with a country until results are produced. Who would ever stand beside us again with out getting results here. Maybe someone could handle the Presidency better than McCain but it sure as hell isn't the Dem's....not this time around that is.

  • Posted By: tiredoflibs @ 02/29/2008 8:51:28 PM

    Comment: Maybe McCain doesn't have all the answers but the answers Billary and Odrama produce are just electorial hype and rhetoric that they have little chance of completing. What actual results came from the debates? Bla Bla Bla was about it. Change this change that. Horsecrap!

  • Posted By: farmerv @ 02/16/2008 10:31:42 AM

    Comment: Who listens to these talk show hoasts? They are nothing but a bunch hypocrites , Rush Limbaugh being number 1.....

  • Posted By: dryheat091171 @ 02/14/2008 5:49:50 PM

    Comment: What these ultra conservative talking heads fail to realize is that they do not speak for the majority of Americans and probably never did. The ultimate political polls are election results. The fact that Republican voters rejected Mitt Romney shows that most of them do not agree with these right wing radicals.

  • Posted By: Shep @ 02/14/2008 2:24:55 PM

    Comment: Your cover showed a true American hero along with a group of egotistical 'haters'. The Ku Klux Klan, the Skinhead, and others of their ilk did not, or do not, have the power to spew hate the way this group of self-righteous, egomaniacal, obstinate, etc. etc. does. The USA would be better off without them having a voice.

  • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 7:27:44 AM

    Comment: Ron Paul like other consumer advocates brings special attention to issues like only an underdog could. nothing to loose - the most dangerous kind - don't get desperate for one goal at all expense, see your contribution to the whole and equally important as any. Go Hillary!! You make many hearts glad on earth and heaven.

  • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 7:23:58 AM

    Comment: i endorse you too. thank you for your participation in the race for the oval office. healthy dialogue is important at all times. we have a divine appointment of checks and balances x3 President, Congress, Judiciary a so called Trinity. i thank God for good counselors and checks and balances that keep us safe. i look forward to your input and dialogue in the race.

  • Posted By: JohnGaltlaketahoe @ 02/13/2008 1:21:08 PM

    Comment: This horse race may very well turn out to be a win for the horse of a different colour. All the best. But if the American electorate really was watching during the January run up to Feb 5th they would have seen both the Dems and the Repugs as the insurgents they are while they have waged economic war on the American electorate for 30 years and longer. The two parties have held the American electorate hostage for too long.

    Corporate buyouts and corporate crime have used the United States Congress as its clearinghouse for corruption for too long. When GWB ran for office in 2000 everyone knew he was a loser and still the Democrats lost to him. Twice. Yes, the American electorate has its head up its ass. Vote Ron Paul. Vote your Congressional representative out of office next time especially if they are Democrat or Republican and give back representative democracy.

  • Posted By: MelissaEw @ 02/12/2008 6:32:20 PM

    Comment: I am by no means a Republican, but I would vote for John McCain just to shut those facists up. I am so sick of these people (people who make irresponsible statements filled with hate) controlling how America thinks.

    • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:29:18

      Comment: Amen.

  • Posted By: mike35usmc @ 02/11/2008 3:23:58 PM

    Comment: Newsweek's cover story, "Becoming John Mc Cain" should have been titled, "Creating John Mc Cain."
    From the very first paragraph, Evan Thomas' article is filled with misinformation and deception, intended to glorify the Senator's unearned reputation. At the same time, Thomas completely ignores the wealth of government documents and historical news articles that show Mc Cain in a very different light.
    Many Vietnam veterans, myself included, hate Mc Cain and see him for the astoundingly arrogant, self-serving jerk he really is. Mc Cain's despicable performance while serving on the Senate Committee for POW/MIA's, is a graphic demonstration of the man's unbelievable dishonesty.
    John Mc Cain is a creation of the media. Had his father and grandfather NOT been naval admirals, there NEVER would have been a Mc Cain "war hero."
    I put Mc Cain in the same category as his buddy, John Kerry, another media "hero."

    • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:32:13

      Comment: don't close your mind just yet. if you were to ever meet him in person you would sing a different tune and be proud like i am to live near a stud like him. Men like Mc Cain are why p####### like me go and sip coffee and can read the paper with contempt and freely say "that's despicable!!!"

  • Posted By: misterharban @ 02/11/2008 11:27:46 AM

    Comment: If you are one of those True Conservatives who can honestly claim that you opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning, ignore this. If you are one of the majority of True Conservatives who supported Bush and the war from the beginning, this message is for you.

    The upcoming election will be a referendum on many issues ranging from those which neither side will ever be able to effectively resolve to those which will be decisively resolved as soon as the votes are tallied. Of all the issues which may be decided at that time, none will be decided with more finality and immediacy than the war in Iraq. Have no doubt that a Democrat victory will result in our surrender in this conflict. This is what many in our country want. This is not what most True Conservatives have said that they want. They have articulated in every possible way their desire for a victory which will inure to the honor of the brave men and women who have sacrificed so much in that conflict.

    Yet now many True Conservatives are saying that they will not support the likely Republican nominee because of his disloyalty to them. This is a reasonable position for every issue except one: the loyalty that True Conservatives owe to the brave men and women they summoned to duty in Iraq. There is no equivalence between what True Conservatives want with regard toward immigration, sex and gender issues, life issues and the rest of the agenda and what they committed the country to when they declared war in Iraq. Most of the True Conservative issues are just that, issues. Things to be discussed, debated and perhaps legislated. Iraq was once simply an issue. It was discussed and debated. Largely at the behest of many of the True Conservatives who are now preparing to abandon it, it was transformed from an issue into an action, a war. We asked our young men and women to pledge everything, everything to the cause.

    True Conservatives should be perfectly clear on one thing. They are taking the position that their decision to not support the apparent nominee is a principled one, intended to allow them to go forward in the future and reform the country in their own image. Sometime in the future they hope to be able to say that they made this country a better place. But if they account for the margin of loss for the Republican nominee this fall they will also be immediately responsible for casting our entire military effort in Iraq into the trash heap of history. The horrible price we have paid to date in lives and dollars will be for naught. It is likely that our nation???s military might will never again be considered by those who would harm us to be a credible deterrent to their bad actions. We will become the new France.

    The legacy of True Conservative???s failure to support the Republican nominee will become their willingness to place their partisan concerns above the lives and honor of our soldiers in time of war. Disgraceful.

  • Posted By: JohnGaltlaketahoe @ 02/10/2008 10:07:44 PM

    Comment: The politcal right who say McCain is not there man may be right and they can also bleed to death. Who gives a good god damn what they say! The right is the group of idiots who believed George W. Bush in 2000, 2004 and all the while people are dying because of it!

    One thing is for certain, McCain will contine the war for the right.

  • Posted By: ricehome @ 02/09/2008 6:09:15 PM

    Comment: You want arrogance? With McCain you can get it. Your February 11 story shows it.. There is a place for individual arrogance and McCain displayed it in his captive survival mode and his "maverick
    " performances in the Senate. But individual arrogance - as displayed by the current occupant of the presidency - is not what we need to lead our country. Thoughtful, itelligent and of course ultimate decisive action is what this country longs for.

    • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:42:12

      Comment: Huh?

  • Posted By: accuratedude @ 02/08/2008 9:52:48 PM

    Comment: What about Condoleeza Rice as possible VP?

    • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:35:31

      Comment: Whatever Condoleeza Rice does she does with style.

  • Posted By: accuratedude @ 02/08/2008 9:51:34 PM

    Comment: What about Condoleeza Rice as VP? I think she has all the qualifications - experience in foreign policy, etc.

  • Posted By: JBuzicky75@comcast.net @ 02/08/2008 7:56:00 PM

    Comment: Here are a couple more resources for researching McBu$h, oops McCain.
    Democracy Now did a good piece on him here:
    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/4/the_myth_of_a_maverick_matt
    and
    therealmccain.com/




  • Posted By: Payne23 @ 02/07/2008 9:12:56 PM

    Comment: It seems vox whatever is a prime example of one who misses the forrest because of all the trees. Where nationalizing corperations is ever referred to i'm not sure but asking them to actually have a social morality besides the bottom line does not seem like too much. Perhaps we should just become a facsist country where corperations and government control everything , giving only the allusion of democracy . That is where neo-cons asoire us to be. They despise workers rights and unions. They despise de-regulation of any kind, having us believe that while people lie and steal for a 100 dollars they would never for 100 million dollars, and they forever desire unlimited fairytale growth without acknowledging that the Earth is a finite place and resource. People of this ilk are dreamers of the worst kind. Their dreams have no upside, at least not for roughly 70% of the population.How can someone complain of unionbusting as if the devil yet disparage socialism which is the extreme of extreme of union orginization ideaology. It makes no sense unions are great socialism not so great cooperations can be great but most in a completely free market society will not be great.Why' because people will lie cheat and steal for 100's of millions of dollars who wouldn't, Ghandi Jesus. So neither is perfect but somewhere in the middle might be. Beware absolutists and those who add 2+2 and get 5 like voxwhatever.

  • Posted By: AltruisticOne @ 02/07/2008 5:37:50 PM

    Comment: I wouldnt worry about staying in Iraq for 100 years. The bank will not allow us to be there, regardless of what McCain wants. Arguing with McCain over 100 year stays in Iraq is like arguing over the color of the drapes in the house we built in Iraq thats about to be foreclosed on.

    • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:33:59

      Comment: "the bank" and the Federal Reserve have long been outside of the heartland. They are illigitimate anyway. if they want to play they better play fair.

  • Posted By: JohnGaltlaketahoe @ 02/07/2008 3:34:12 PM

    Comment: One month into the Presidential election year, leading candidates have yet to address issues of urgent importance for the every day lives of Americans.

    Health insurance industry, agribusiness giants, corporate criminals, nuclear power, energy providers pollution controls, big oil, big banks, drug companies, union busters, war profiteers, credit card companies, corporate Democrats in Congress and Corporate Republicans in Congress.

    This list of issues has been ignored by the so called leading candidates for President of the United States. The private cable networks, who now sponsor Presidential debates, have worked overtime to exclude questions on these issues, not to mention the candidates and the civic groups supporting these issues.

    What issues are the leading candidates now supposed to speak on while they wait out the American electorate until the Democrat???s and Republican Party???s convention?
    The message is that the natives are restless. The leading candidates do not represent whom they claim to represent.

    • Posted By: voxdulcis @ 02/07/2008 18:46:57

      Comment: hmmm "Health insurance industry, agribusiness giants, corporate criminals, nuclear power, energy providers pollution controls, big oil, big banks, drug companies, union busters, war profiteers, credit card companies,.." Yeah, I'm sure all of those things could be solved by nationalizing the corporations, killing off some businesses entirely, and confiscating all of our incomes, as union members, to create a socialist society. What a proud day that would be, eh? There's nothing quite like grabbing ones ankles and letting the government handle everything.

      • Posted By: tc125231 @ 02/09/2008 16:09:48

        Comment: Did someone actually proposing nationalizing these industries? Or do you just have comic book mind, which belives that everone who sees things differently from you represent the forces of evil?

        If so, you are probably quite happy with the current crowd? Do you cheer when you see Cheney talking to CPAC about torture?

        • Posted By: voxdulcis @ 02/09/2008 23:01:59

          Comment: I was taking the shortcut, as liberals and socialists do, to a quick solution. The real solution is to let the free market do its thing. But let's take a closer look: Unions represented 2/3 of our workers at the end of WWII. Today the total is 7%. Guess which way the wind is blowing? Now, the liberal/socialist way to handle that is to unionize all the workers, whether they like it or not. The result would be many business closures. Others businesses would have to be nationalized to save them, at all. Now, because I think our free market system is superior in every way to socialism, I think that plan would be a pretty evil thing. As for torture, and I assume that you mean waterboarding, because you seem to be the delicate type: I have a suspicion that after capturing one of our military people, the al qaeda doesn't sit around and chit chat about whether or not the US tortures its POWs. In fact I do not think it matters to them at all. Waterboarding has been used on only 2 high ranking al qaeda leaders. And after 40 seconds of an intense reality check, they decided to share info that saved lives. There were no broken bones, electric shock, burns, or other painful damage. And some of our military people were saved. Looks like a win-win to me. TC, you need to make up your mind--which side do you want to be on? Ours or theirs? Since, to the al qaeda, there is no gray area in between, I do not think we can afford to be wishy washy either. And our military comes first.

          • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:43:45

            Comment: isn't is good to be FREE to speak and be heard and to hear or whatever LET FREEDOM RING!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Sonia4Him @ 02/07/2008 9:14:59 AM

    Comment: I am a registered Democrat, but have been voting Republican for the US Presidency. I like them more, they are more Conservative and have more morals. Sadly this past Tuesday in NJ I did NOT vote for Clinton or Obama, they are definitely not much of a choice . I voted for Edwards and then found out that he was no longer running! But I do vote, I am voting for Huckabee.

    • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:53:36

      Comment: Every day and in every way we vote!!!! it is not all about getting to the finish line and putting your hat up and going to the pool for 4 years it is about character - tried and true - come what may - rain or shine - we get the mail out - News Flash - The American Nurses Association endores Hillary Clinton - Go Hillary!!!!!!

    • Posted By: tc125231 @ 02/09/2008 16:07:14

      Comment: You obviously too lazy to have actually investigated Huckabee's personal behavior. Talking about morality, and actually behaving like a decent person are quite different. Perhaps you've noticed?

      • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:51:04

        Comment: it just reminds me i better keep sober and vigilant lest i too stumble.

  • Posted By: BackInTheSaddle @ 02/06/2008 11:32:07 PM

    Comment: What are the most important issues right now? Our falling dollar/out-of-control spending (2 sides of the same disastrous coin) and our dependence on foreign energy (which has recently hammered our dollar even more). John McCain is deeply committed to addressing those issues (check out JohnMcCain.com). No more Pork Barrel Spending under his watch. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED, FOLKS! All these other soft issues are just media noise. WAKE UP, THIS COUNTRY'S IN A SEVERE FINANCIAL CRISIS!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:45:27

      Comment: maybe true but as long as my coin has the God standard "In God We Trust" i am not too worried. Glory to God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: jalyma @ 02/07/2008 08:29:31

      Comment: I'm confused. The Bush tax cuts for the very rich were to stimulate our economy by trickeling down to us poor folks. Cuts not working? Golly. Also, do you think the billions we're spending every month in Iraq could be causing some of the problems? McCain wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Do the math. McCain was part of the majority senate for 6 years and therein lies the problem. No oversight. By the way - the war in Iraq was to increase oil prices to benefit rich republicans. Why people vote against their own interests is totally unfathomable. Are you better off now, after 8 years of republican power?

      • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:48:04

        Comment: why aren't "We the People" making Billions in Iraq?????? We stepped up took all the heat all the risk and shed the best of the best of our best boys and girls blood and we are not getting compensated ???? who is pumping that Texas T out and where is it going and who is getting paid for what my momma and poppa got up early and went to bed late for?????

  • Posted By: lynng1 @ 02/06/2008 7:57:56 PM

    Comment: Reading this article made me dislike McCain even more.

  • Posted By: ceja @ 02/06/2008 4:23:24 PM

    Comment: just read the article - it is incomplete- end is missing.

  • Posted By: waddyathink @ 02/06/2008 11:50:47 AM

    Comment: The article in the magazine is cut off. I had to come onto the web site to read the last 4 paragraphs.

  • Posted By: theblueroan @ 02/06/2008 10:58:42 AM

    Comment: Posted By: jalyma @ 02/06/2008 9:45:25 AM
    Comment: who cares?

    How about the whole US and quite a few in the rest of the world. A person's past tends to shape their future. I like McCain, if Hilary wins the Dem nomination I'll vote for him. Assuming he wins the Rep nom, of course, because I think he's the lesser of those 2 evils.
    That being said, I think the choices are less evil overall than they have been.

    • Posted By: jalyma @ 02/06/2008 12:36:45

      Comment: my who cares comment was on the person correcting the author of the article for getting McCain's rank in the Navy wrong. I do care deeply about this country and hope and pray the past 8 years have not destroyed it.

      • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/14/2008 07:49:35

        Comment: faith the size of a mustard seed.......don't worry you are in GOOD HANDS WITH ALL 50 STATE 5-0 Flo.

  • Posted By: jalyma @ 02/06/2008 9:38:10 AM

    Comment: I find it amazing Repubicans are now deciding McCain is the man for them. They rejected him 8 years ago in favor GWBush. I'm assuming the rejection of McCain 8 years ago was because Republicans decided Bush would make the better president. God help us. McCain wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years and he admits he is weak on the economy.

  • Posted By: madfijian @ 02/06/2008 2:01:17 AM

    Comment: President McCain- get used to it.

  • Posted By: madfijian @ 02/06/2008 2:00:31 AM

    Comment: President McCain. Get used to it.

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 02/05/2008 10:15:53 PM

    Comment: Murder brother.

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 02/05/2008 10:15:24 PM

    Comment: The name McCain sounds suspect.The son of the CAIN.

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 02/05/2008 10:14:13 PM

    Comment: McCain may not becoming Prez for the simple reason that it would mean perpetual war .And collapse of the economy.

  • Posted By: amorr2 @ 02/05/2008 9:51:03 PM

    Comment: McCain and other Repubs--I hope you're seriously listening--we love hearing about the price you paid for our country but if you don't begin raising serious money, there won't be a race come November (regardless of the price you paid). The Republicans have to start financially supporting their candidates. Perhaps we're waiting to see who that candidate might be but when the time comes, we have to support them financially or the Democrats will buy their way into the White House.

  • Posted By: tc125231 @ 02/05/2008 6:47:37 PM

    Comment: I think this article is criminal, and typical of reportorial fawning over McCain. The fact is that he has reversed his positions right and left lately, and told some fibs in the bargain. He may bristle at the suggestion he has not behaved honorably in recent times.

    That is too bad. If the shoe fits, you're stuck wearing it.

    This article makes no attempt to dwal with his many reversals of position, and fibs about why, or about his former position. He SOOO worried about vets, but has introduced not one piece of legislation to make his pal W. standup and see that they get proper medical care after they are injured. Now tax cuts increase federal revenues (a position not even the Cato Institute supports.)
    McCain "believes" it though, because it allows him to support war without end while supporting irresponsibible tax cuts.

    Might convenient. What message does it send our children when the man our press has annointed as our most "honorable" leader says there really is a free lunch.

    --Nobody has been more critical of the prosecution of the war than he was, he says. Yeah --where were the bills in 2003 and 2004 to get more boots on the ground. There sure weren't any coming from McCain.

    The fact that our press has anointed such a man as "Mr Straight Talk" merely demonstrates that they have no grasp of the nature of integrity. Lying when the truth is inconvenient is STILL lying.

    • Posted By: voxdulcis @ 02/09/2008 23:05:03

      Comment: TC, were you this upset when Clinton lied? You know... when his lips were moving.

  • Posted By: banjoboy @ 02/05/2008 5:36:40 PM

    Comment: Does Ms. Sarah Kliff not know the difference between Lieutenant (jg) and Lieutenant in the Navy? Both JFK and GHWB had the highest rank of Lieutenan (jg) in the Navy, which is the equivalent of my rank of 1Lt in the Army. If she is going to promote them, then I wish she would also make me a captain in the Army.

    James H. Dautremont
    1Lt, US Army Vietnam

  • Posted By: Dan Maloy @ 02/05/2008 5:32:59 PM

    Comment: Hey Huckabee supporters!

    Your guy didn't "win" in West Virgina! He got drug across the finish line by McCain supporters. And all this because why? Because YOUR guy was LOSING to Romney. If you want to brag about that, brag away.....

    Come on, Romney!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/05/2008 22:40:39

      Comment: Hey Dannyboy-that baptize the dead Jews position is probably looking better and better to Mitt. Not enough gold in Salt Lake to buy the USA. Rush was cheap, remember he's a drug addict.

      • Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/06/2008 01:41:46

        Comment: "HolyRoller", just why exactly are you so jealous of Romney's wealth? Would you prefer that Romney had instead asked the Fed Govt for his gov't allowed matching funds? You know, if he had, a portion of YOUR tax dollars would be going to Mitt's campaign. So, do you want to thank Romney now or later for him using his own money on his campaign?

        For all your hype, your man "Hey, lets take away the votes of the good people of West Virginia" Huckabee is STILL in 3rd place in delegate totals. But, hey, like he said several hours ago, it IS a 2-man race. It's just that your guy isn't in it.....

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/06/2008 06:52:22

          Comment: Sorry to disappoint you, but I support Johm McCain.. My 1st choice was Rudy and I'm following his lead. Have to admit though I've got a soft spot for Huck. He's the one that taught us all about the mormon doctrine fo JESUS and SATAN being brothers. BooHooHoo. Romney needs to quit.

  • Posted By: banjoboy @ 02/05/2008 5:25:51 PM

    Comment: Sarah Kliff seems to be unaware that a Lieutenant in the Navy is a higher rank than a 1st Lt in the Army. The rank of Lieutenant in the Navy is the equivalent of the rank of Captain in the Army. So JFK outranked GHWB, even though the "Lessons From the Front Line" blurb would seem to say otherwise. Is this an intentional ruse, or is this just inept journalism? 1Lt James H. Dautremont, US Army Vietnam

    • Posted By: jalyma @ 02/06/2008 09:45:25

      Comment: who cares?

  • Posted By: Dan Maloy @ 02/05/2008 1:31:36 PM

    Comment: According to Fox News, Romney is leading McCain by 7 points.

    And, the straw-poll at aol.com has Romney LEADING McCain 37% to 36% (53,408 to 52,128) and no, the software does not allow you to vote twice.

    Can you say "Romney momentum"? Go Mitt!

    ("HolyRoller", you can commence with firing off your "brilliant" e-mails now......)

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/05/2008 17:29:21

      Comment: You must have been watching a rerun. Huck just won West Va.

      • Posted By: Dan Maloy @ 02/05/2008 17:32:19

        Comment: Hey Huckabee supporters! (and you too, "HolyRoller")

        Your guy didn't "win" in West Virgina! He got drug across the finish line by McCain supporters. And all this because why? Because YOUR guy was LOSING to Romney. If you want to brag about that, brag away.....

        Come on, Romney!

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/05/2008 23:20:33

          Comment: Just a couple of Christians casting out a devil. You know the scripture, "when two or more come togeather..."

  • Posted By: Henri @ 02/05/2008 11:51:37 AM

    Comment: If we look at his skeletons and flesh them out with our presumptions about how he's not qualified based on his past, then that disqualifies the majority in many arenas who'ev gone on to do great things, often times as a result of their schooling through hard times and wayward decisions.

    We all love Spielberg; but did you know that he walked onto Universal's campus back in the day, set up shop in an empty office that wasn't his, and began to do his work. That's brazen and bold and considered a beautiful feat of the dedicated human drive to pursue our passions and dreams despits systems that make it difficult. Now look at Spielberg and his outrageous following; but what he did was cheat and deceptive to get where he wanted. I don't rattle those old bones in my mind when I evaluate his work, and I don't skake McCain's either when I look at his possibilty post as president.

    What about Bill Clinton? I think that's recent enough say I don't need to say more.

    Nevertheless, this is opinion and means nothing.

    I will say, since it is opinion. My first vote is not McCain; but I appreciate what's he's endured in life. I can't say (can you) that I've lived through some of the things he has and has come out more-than-fairly intact, if not quite insightful. At the very least, McCain is a useful candidate; and useful, though subtly pragmatic, is powerful if in the right place. The opposite is useless, and many are quite useless and in the wrong places.

    FYI: For someone to be able to evaluate his own experiences and be so self-ware as McCain, that indeed is the alternative to "not being all there (or 'their" as one wrote here)."

  • Posted By: buckguy @ 02/05/2008 10:15:55 AM

    Comment: can we have a profile of McCain that doesn't start out with "maverick". His voting record is essentially that of most conservative GOP senatators. He cravenly caved to the Adminitsration on torture and other issues. His past has plenty of skeletons: Keating Five, leaving wife #1 when she was disabled (shades of Gingrich), etc.

    Thomas admits that he likes McCain and tacitly endoreses the "straight talk" nonsense. It reminds me of all the reporters who talked about Bush as a "regular" guy and Gore as a "phony" or "liar". Obviously, their powers of observation were lacking and I suspect that is true of Thomas, whom I once thought could see beyond the fog of "image" and spin.

  • Posted By: rottimom @ 02/05/2008 7:54:14 AM

    Comment: Vietnam Vets and McCain

    http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 02/05/2008 7:32:13 AM

    Comment: This man mcCain is not all their.Is an accident looking for somewhere to happen. Got the support of jack kemp,who in hell is jack kemp. He is stuck in neutral.

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 02/05/2008 1:39:37 AM

    Comment: McCain lives in the past. According to McCain, we could have won Vietnam, but were stabbed in the back by assorted liberals and peaceniks. In order to regain our honor, we must win Iraq - even if it takes 100 years. We also must bomb Iran, since they are responsible for all the terror in Iraq. This reasoning reminds me of Leonid Brezhnev of the late great USSR. He was also fighting a pst war - The Great Patriotic War (AKA World War II). He also believed in "staying the course" and winning Afghanistan - which needed to be rescued by the Soviets, just as Iraq needed to be "rescued" by the United States. Of course the weaponry that made such a great impression in May Day Parades did not work in the real world of Afghanistan. Worse, Brezhnev lived in a world of delusions and lies - perpetrated by spying, secrecy and the persecution of all truth-tellers whistle-blowers. This network of error ultimately destroyed the USSR, not Ronald Reagan's famous "tear down the wall" speech. (By 1986 the USSR was on life-support any way - Gobrachev long recognized it.) McCain, like his predecessors both Brezhnev and Bush, cannot understand that the world has changed. He cannot understand that we cannot win the war on terrorism with bombs. He cannot understand that a world where 3 billion people subsist in less than 2 dollars a day will forever be a breeding ground for more terrorists. Obama framed the campaign when he said this is a campaign of the past vs. the future. McCain is too wrapped up in the past to lead this country.

  • Posted By: dolsen @ 02/05/2008 12:51:46 AM

    Comment: I'm just laughing! Oh my goodness, someone thinks they're a genius on mormon theology. Funny, I've been a mormon all my life and I don't know where this person gets their info. from, but it's not the mormon church, that's for sure. It's stunning everytime I read such bologna. There's so much typical internet trash mixed in there, it's hard to dicipher mormon doctrine in there at all. Don't believe what that post says, it's hillarious. Mitt Romney has had to battle this silliness everyday, poor guy. I'll just say what Mitt said, all you ever need to know about any religion is the example set by the person who lives that religion. If they are a good person, live an honest life, give service to their fellow man, what else matters? That's what's at the heart of every religion. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who lives a more Christ like life than a mormon. Self disciplined, honest, healthy, intelligent, principled, morals and values. They definitely believe in the virtues of life. If you're in trouble, you want a mormon around. If there is a disaster, you want a mormon around. They are the most organized and prepared people around. I can't imagine what's wrong with that.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/05/2008 07:22:56

      Comment: Please enlighten us as to which parts of the posted mormon theology is bologna. I'll be more than happy to post direct quotes from your profits as to where I got the comments from.

  • Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/05/2008 12:42:54 AM

    Comment: All -

    If you want to learn what Mitt's church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, believes in and why, please go to lds.org or mormon.org because you sure won't learn it from "HolyRoller".

    Mitt has nothing to hide about his religion but personally I hope that America will look at Romney for his character, his abilities and his record of success in both his personal and professional life instead of just saying "oh, he belongs to the LDS church".

    Good luck on deciding who to vote for.

  • Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/05/2008 12:42:23 AM

    Comment: All -

    If you want to learn what Mitt's church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, believes in and why, please go to lds.org or mormon.org because you sure won't learn it from "HolyRoller".

    Mitt has nothing to hide about his religion but personally I hope that America will look at Romney for his character, his abilities and his record of success in both his personal and professional life instead of just saying "oh, he belongs to the LDS church".

    Good luck on deciding who to vote for.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/04/2008 7:04:45 PM

    Comment: Mormon doctrine that sounds Biblical

    Mormons say they believe in Jesus but the Jesus they serve is not the Biblical Jesus. The Jesus of the Mormon Church is the brother of Lucifer. Jesus is a spirit child of God the Father and a heavenly mother by physical union. (sex) Jesus was born a child and through obedience to the Laws became a God, therefore Jesus has not always been God. Jesus' shed blood on the cross does not atone for all sins, but there are certain sins that the blood of Jesus does not atone for. Jesus after He was crucified and raised to life married three women and had offspring.

    Mormons say they believe in God the Father but He is not the same One from the Bible. Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man who became a God. Mormons believe that God the Father had a father, and his father had a father, an endless progression of Gods. That means God has not always been God, but the Father was at one time not God by nature.

    Mormons say they believe in the Trinity but their definition is different. The Mormon Church teaches that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (Trinity) are three different Gods. Mormons believe the Trinity is one in purpose not in nature.

    Mormons say they are the only true Church. The Mormon Church teaches that they are the only true Church and that all others are the Church of the devil. They may not say this to you but they do teach this.

    Mormons say they believe in the Bible. The Mormon Church teaches that there are 4 holy books. These books are: the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Bible. The Bible in the Mormon Church is least looked upon for doctrine and theology. Mormons are taught that the Bible is correct as long as it goes with their theology. If the Bible contradicts what the other 3 books say or their theology, than the Bible is wrong according to the Mormon Church.

    A VOTE FOR ROMNEY MEANS THIS BLASPHEMEY IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU>

    NO MORMONS!!! NO MOHOMMEDS!!!

  • Posted By: Saltydog_0 @ 02/04/2008 5:51:12 PM

    Comment: I love this line: "McCain will trim his sails politically when necessary, but he is obviously dispirited by anything that smacks of pandering."

    McCain's lip prints on Jerry Falwell's backside beg to differ.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/04/2008 21:28:36

      Comment: Whats wrong with Jerry Falwell? He built a college just like Brigham Young did. OH YEAH!! Falwell didn't have 57 WIVES.

      NO MORMONS!!! NO MOHOMMEDS!!!

  • Posted By: wendy c @ 02/04/2008 2:04:31 PM

    Comment: How do you refuse to be relwased from prison?

    • Posted By: Dan Maloy @ 02/04/2008 18:07:44

      Comment: wendy c: Actually, according to the POW books I've read, the North Vietnamese offered to send McCain home if he would do certain things to disgrace the U.S. Things like signing documents admitting he had commited "war crimes" against the North Vietnamese people, etc. He stuck to his guns and chose to stay a prisoner instead of going home early. It didn't happen much (guys choosing to go home) but it did happen occasionally. I admire McCain for that but since his return home I believe he's slowly let his integrity erode. Please see my post below on that.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/04/2008 21:20:31

        Comment: Wow Danny you sure read alot. I'll bet yer near genius ain't ye.

        NO MORMONS!!! NO MOHOMMEDS!!!

        • Posted By: Dan Maloy @ 02/05/2008 13:13:52

          Comment: According to the psychologist that gave me the IQ test, yes.

          • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/05/2008 23:24:03

            Comment: Must not have been a mormon psychologist then. I think something got misinterpreted when reading it.