Clinton, Obama Lower Expectations | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008

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Posted By: falconer2 @ 02/14/2008 11:20:32 AM

When asked in the book Saddam???s Revenge ??? ???How can we have peace in the world????

Grandfather responded??? ???Leave behind you the baggage of yesterday and the fears for tomorrow. Strive for peace within you today and it will come to you, and as everyone joins you ??? to the world.???

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Posted By: falconer2 @ 02/14/2008 7:22:34 AM

How is it that no one seems to be addressing the fact that Obama as president is a liability to this country.
It's not a point of "loving him", "Believeing in his vision of hope", "being the first Black president"... or "hating him" etc.
Rather he was a practicing Muslim as a child, and now claiming to be christian. This in itself, by Islamic law, condemns him to death. We in America, and most likely Muslims here and everywhere would not approve of this "law". It is in fact archaic. However we all know that radical Islamic Fundamentalists will grab hold of anything they can to attack the US.
How can Obama expect to be able to negotiate with Islamic Leaders who must return to their countries and face these radicals. Consider that they "by law" are not even allowed to speak to him. Rather they should be attacking him and condemning him as well.
So if you like him or hate him isn't the point... He IS a liability He IS condemned by Islamic Law. The only solution is that he return to islam, or is it that he admit to being Muslim. This brings up another question... is he a liability or is he lying and intends to come out of the Islamic closet... AFTER the election.
Either way do you want him as president under these conditions...

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Posted By: maven819 @ 02/06/2008 11:35:48 AM

I will take statesmanship over showmanship any day of the week. Anyone who thinks a freshman Senator who hasn't even completed his first term can change Washington is dreaming. Look at all the oldtimers endorsing him...do you think those endorsements come for free? Obama is just as tarred and feathered by the "establishment" as Clinton, don't kid yourselves. The only consolation here is either would be better than Bush. But to the poster who said the Republicans would never let Hillary get elected... do you think they can't stop Obama?? What a bunch of starry eyed dreamers. This country doesn't run on hope and hope won't change it either. Neither will great speeches. But a woman's perspective... just maybe and well worth my vote.
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  Posted By: S&W357 @ 02/06/2008 1:24:56 PM
  
  Republicans can't stop her from being elected, but they can keep anything she tries to do in office from happening. Unless the people give her a house/senate with over whelming majoritys in each it will be Bill Clinton all over again. Best thing the dems could do would be to run Obama as president and Hilary as his VP. He could handle most of the international problems, she could handle the domestic ones, and Bill could help them both. Ego will keep them from doing that tho.
  - Posted By: Johnny1967 @ 02/13/2008 5:58:19 PM
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    A Obama/Hillary ticket makes much more sense than Hillary/Obama ticket. Hillary has obligations to too many lobbyist, corporations and countries. If Obama is VP, he would have to support the Clinton machine and Clintons rich backers. On the other hand, if Hillary is VP she would be relieved from supporting her rich supporters. Philosophically the two are champions to the lower to middle income people. Therefore, they can get more done if Hillary is the VP rather than vice versa.
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    Posted By: maven819 @ 02/06/2008 11:29:41 PM
    
    Obama's ego is more than a match for the Clintons. A freshman Senator who thinks he has the experience to be POTUS?? Let's not debate who has the bigger ego. That you would go Republican after the 8 years they have given us rather than vote for Hillary really says it all. But perhaps we can agree on one thing... AWBBTB... Anyone will be better than Bush.

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Posted By: S&W357 @ 02/06/2008 9:01:18 AM

As a registered independent if Hilary is elected to run for the Dems then I will vote for McCain or whom ever is running against her. I do not trust her and putting a Clinton in office again is not going to acomplish anything, the republicans won't allow it. They hate the Clintons and will not allow anything to get done while one is in office. Just think back to when Bill was there. It's a wasted vote.

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Posted By: Lady Yashica @ 02/06/2008 7:47:01 AM

Ohio will be like New York and Hispanics will carry Texas.
Obama's chances look slim.
The republicans have a huge problem - nothing AT ALL to choose from.
Looks like there will be another Clinton in the White House....I love it!

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Posted By: doefawn05 @ 02/05/2008 7:48:46 PM

HILLARY, ITS MONICA ORIENT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU I,M NOT CERTIFIED BUT I LOVE WORKING WITH THE ELDERLY PEOPLE AND THE CERTIFIED PEOPLE GET ALL THE JOBS. HOW CAN THIS POLICY GET CHANGED AROUND ? PLEASE WRITE BACK TO ME AT doefawn05@yahoo.com THANK YOU MONICA ORIENT

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Posted By: Mark in Santa Monica @ 02/05/2008 6:36:35 PM

I didn't realize that black South Carolinians, college students and independents were all highly educated and rich. If you are a Hillary supporter, you are undoubtedly a Democrat (a conclusion easily drawn from her high negatives among Republicans and Independents). If so, and if you've been paying attention to the last few elections, you should know that recent presidential elections are won by the candidate who wins over the independent voters.

So, Democrats, instead of looking at your candidates from the perspective of a Democrat (much less a woman, or an African American), shouldn't you look at them from the perspective of an Independent or moderate Republican? If so, your choice is clear. Barack Obama is clearly the preferred choice among Independent voters. By contrast, from a purely tactical standpoint, Hillary Clinton might actually be the single worst candidate the Democratic Party could nominate, as she would single-handedly unify and energize Republican voters. Why would you do that?

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Posted By: Incredulous in 08 @ 02/05/2008 11:41:54 AM

I have a question for Hillary's supporters. Please, don't get mad or jump all over me. I swear, I mean this question sincerely... The problem is, it's kind of an inflammatory question and so I'm afraid folks might just get mad. I promise, I really do want to know... Ok, I have been watching for a while and I've seen that Hillary's supporters can answer most objections or concerns, but I haven't seen this one addressed:

The numbers show that highly educated people and intellectuals go overwhelmingly for Obama and that Hillary's base is among less educated people.

There are some pretty rude nicknames for that base, but I don't think those are really fair. What I want to know, though, is what her supporters have to say about the implications of that fact? Again, I respect your passion, but please don't jump all over me, I'm not trying to start a fight, I just want to know what you think.... Thanks
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  Posted By: prabha @ 02/05/2008 5:04:33 PM
  
  it is very simple.... obama supporters can sit back dream... get inspire... feel good about the country... because they have good jobs, homes, health care even when everybody knows nothing is going to change....
  
  whereas hillary supporters are poor, women, blue-coller workers... who cannot afford to dream they want someone to tell them...that their jobs will there, health care will be given.... they simply want solutions ... told to them in simple terms.... they dont have patience and time for inspiration and dreaming.... they are elderly so they know dreaming will not get them to where they want to go.
  
  that is why all the time you see only Obama supporters online.... parising him... and not respecting Hillary or her credentials.... whereas Hillary supporters you dont get to see online... since they dont use it... or rarely use it
  
  use it....
  
  rrr
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    Posted By: gframpton1 @ 02/05/2008 5:27:43 PM
    
    What makes you think that poor, elderly, working class women, without health care identify with Hillary Clinton? She is a wealthy, White lawyer who went to Wellesley for Christs sake! Most working class women would have thrown Bill out on his ass years ago - Hillary can't even control her own husband! Did Bill Clinton do anything for poor people? What makes you think Hillary will do anything? The only good thing about electing Hillary would be that the furniture they stole from the White House in 2000 might finally be returned.
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  Posted By: William.Demuth @ 02/05/2008 2:05:49 PM
  
  Abraham Lincoln once said "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time".
  
  Hillary Clinton and her husband are living proof you can fool fools all of the time.

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Posted By: miltongalfas @ 02/05/2008 1:30:33 PM

The same group that backed Bush, the rich and priveledged, back Obama. He is the establishment candidate who lies and says he is for the people. What people? He won't do anything for the common man.

I believe that a woman will be the biggest change in American history.... not just another lie to get elected man. Remember George Bush was 'a uniter not a divider'. Obama sounds just like Bush with the made for TV 'bring it on' phrases.
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  Posted By: gframpton1 @ 02/05/2008 5:09:42 PM
  
  What about Margaret Thatcher? What about Camille Paglia or Condoleeza Rice? They are all women but my guess is that you would be unhappy with one of them. If we have a repeat of the sleaze and corruption of the first Clinton administration it may be 100 years before another woman is elected president. And what do we tell the Black community if we deny the nomination to the first credible Black candidate? They already feel marginalized and ignored. If Obama is excluded because of wheeling and dealing by the Democrat leadership, Blacks will certainly turn their backs on the Democratic party if not on the political process entirely. African Americans deserve a voice - we can do better than to deny them in favor of a corrupt enabler.
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  Posted By: gframpton1 @ 02/05/2008 5:00:58 PM
  
  What about Margaret Thatcher? She was a woman. What about Camille Paglia or Condoleeza Rice? Old fashioned sexism is not the way to move forward. If Hillary Clinton is elected and we have a repeat of the sleaze and corruption of the first Clinton administration it may be a hundred years before another woman is elected president. If Barack Obama wins the nomination but is denied it by some wheeling and dealing in the Democratic leadership, the Black community is going to feel even more marginalized and disenfranchised than they already do. Do you think they will vote for Hillary then? They will turn their backs on the Democratic party and probably the political process as a whole. African-Americans deserve a voice - are we going to deny the strongest Black candidate in a generation for a corrupt enabler?
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  Posted By: CalexanderJ @ 02/05/2008 2:01:54 PM
  
  I respect the fact the you support Clinton (I disagree but I can respect that) what I don't respect is the lack of factual basis of your post so I had to reply. Obama received the most fund raising money, true, but he gets his money from the most people, meaning he is funded by many ordinary people who donate $10 and $20. Also Obama doesn't take any lobbyist money (which Clinton does by the way). He has led a grassroots campaign meaning he owes his success to the people. And perhaps you haven't heard his plan to raise the cap on social security and give tax breaks to lower and middle class people, (which Clinton has refused to state her opinion on) and he has repeatedly stated that the tax code is out of balance skewed towards favoring the rich and priveldged and he aims to correct that. Obama did not grow up rich and has spent his life working for the common man, 1st as a community organizer and then as a civil rights attorney. Finally, you argue that he is the establisment candidate and but somehow Hillary Clinton is not just because she is a woman? huh?
  
  Can't we compare and contrast the candidates based on their actual merits rather than just make stuff up.

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Posted By: skatz51 @ 02/05/2008 4:36:28 PM

It was P.T. Barnum who said it, not Abraham Lincoln.

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Posted By: skatz51 @ 02/05/2008 4:35:41 PM

It was P.T. barnum who said that not Abe Lincoln.

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Posted By: HotMama50 @ 02/05/2008 12:35:55 PM

I vote for Hillary Clinton! She is an extremely intelligent and on-the-ball candidate and would turn this country's eyes in the right direction! Good Luck Hillary!

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Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 02/05/2008 11:06:09 AM

"You look so 1972", said Mrs. Clinton's elderly friend, and meant it as a compliment when she saw the 60-year old Hillary in bell bottoms. But perhaps this is just where the problem lies. Hillary says she has been preaching change for 35 years. Did the Clintons not have 8 years in the White House, plenty of time to accomplish change? And here she comes again after 35 years calling for change. Pathetic, isn't it?