Bush’s Tax Cuts Are Dead

Why McCain's victory dooms them.

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  • Posted By: jimmytax @ 02/07/2008 9:50:11 PM

    Mr. Gross like many other in the mass media do not understand how hedge fund and private equity managers get paid and taxed so these writers tout they pay 15% - which captures their readers but is being a sensationalist and not getting the truth across. HF and PE managers make alot of their money as management fees which is taxed at the highest rates 35%++ HF managers do take a portion of their income as an allocation of profits and your typical HF manager makes profits by earning ordinary income (ST capital gains etc) which again is taxed at 35%++. This year alot of HF guys actually will be paying an effective rate over 35% on their profits interest as they realized gains earlier in the year while they sat on some unrealized losses (non-taxable losses) at year end.

  • Posted By: timwalsh300 @ 02/07/2008 5:25:06 PM

    "Mike Huckabee proposed replacing the system, which favors the wealthy, with the Fair Tax, which also favors ... the wealthy."

    I wonder if Daniel Gross has ever even looked at the numbers himself or if he just heard this from an angry, equally uninformed Democrat. The top 10% of earners pay 50% of all tax revenue (yes, even AFTER the Bush tax cuts). That favors the wealthy? I'd say they are getting screwed. What would this guy like to see? The top 1% of earners paying 90% of all revenue? Maybe that is his idea of fair? Ridiculous...

  • Posted By: Gearman17 @ 02/06/2008 12:56:40 PM

    Wow, what a hodge podge of misinformation and baloney. Written like a true socialist. What should happen is that tax cuts should go even deeper, which always...ALWAYS increases revenues, because it stimulates business. Better yet, dump the income tax completely and move to the fair tax. That would resolve ALL revenue problems, even wihthour run away spending. Tax increases are the reason for the reciession, YES recession Bush inherited from Clinton. Ask a business man, not a reporter that does not work in induystry.

    • Posted By: max.grant @ 02/06/2008 5:04:36 PM

      "What should happen is that tax cuts should go even deeper, which always...ALWAYS increases revenues," -- Really? Then how come our deficit is so huge? This malarkey has been debunked by reality, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

      • Posted By: clarohrepub @ 02/06/2008 9:27:51 PM

        Please look at facts...Revenues increased higher than ever before with Bush's tax cuts. The problem is the bozos in Congress..on BOTH sides of the aisle...didn't care that they were writing checks without sufficent funds in the account. But then, I don't expect an democrat to admit that is the real problem.

        • Posted By: max.grant @ 02/07/2008 11:01:48 AM

          Garbage. Garbage. Garbage.

  • Posted By: ginopi @ 02/07/2008 4:59:31 AM

    Joe1952 - about health care. Go read the article on MSN.com called "What to do about Healthcare". You'll understand better about the subject.

  • Posted By: ginopi @ 02/07/2008 4:56:55 AM

    Joe 1952, lay off the Afghan black stuff (now streaming into this country). Man , what an example of the term Right Wing Nut Job. I bet you never went outside your town boundary. We need fiscal responsibility! Something Republicans continually preach about but never inact. Regan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 have put our country into more debt than any other administrations (Bush's spokesperson condemned the two former Rep Presidents fiscal responsibilities in the White House briefing). I don't care about Rep or Dem, as long as someone gets our finances in order before it's too late. Reps talk patriotism while they put foreign governments in charge of our debt (esp China). Do you understand the consequences of China holding these notes - already over a trillion dollars? As far as weird looking transexuals go - maybe Republicans should stop judging people so much. The Republicans have had more "incidents" than any group or party of people I know. Remember: the closet homosexual sleeping with the young Senate paiges? The Senator who blamed alcohol and drugs for his having an ongoing sexual relationship with a Transexual. Tom De Lay and his multitude of crimes. Libby and co's outing of a Covert CIA Operative. Oh and who can forget good old Craig and his sex with men in public restrooms? ETC, ETC, ETC. All of these same people preach religion like the Pharisees they are. I would have loved to see a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket. Two elected officials who can truly reach across the aisle and agree on common ground for the better of the country - not for the better of themselves as nearly all elected officials do now. I'm voting for what I hope will be the next best thing - Barak Obama. I just hope Bush doesn't put us in a worse position before he leaves office.

  • Posted By: Joe1952 @ 02/07/2008 4:09:33 AM

    Yeah headed for a fiscal meltdown and yet the irresponsible Dem candidates are promising 47 million deadbeats free healthcare. They want student loan forgiveness if you go to work for the government when it should be the other way around. If illegals are given legal status it will open the door to hundreds of billions in lawsuits of phony claims,closing up more doctors,hospitals and private business. Weird looking transexuals will be able to sue employers if they aren't hired...Hundreds of billions thrown at the phony issue of global warming. The bad part is all these things will happen if McCain or the dem wins.

  • Posted By: PoliticalRealityOnline @ 02/06/2008 4:49:14 PM

    Dear Daniel:

    Brilliant analysis! What our imploding economy really needs right now is a massive new tax increase in the form of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts! Could you please reference the economic theory or the successful history of massive tax increases that stimulated economic growth? The answer is that you cannot because it is ridiculous on its face, and yet you and your socialist brethren continue to rage for higher taxes on the "wealthy" 25% of Americans who are already paying 85% of personal federal income taxes. Higher taxes on the "wealthy" makes a great political sound bite for demagogues trying to manipulate economically ignorant voters, but it would be disastrous economic policy, especially when piled on top of your insanely costly socialist healthcare fiasco piled on top of your impending social security/medicare fiasco as baby boomers retire piled on top of your ridiculous crusade to stop global warming with massive new carbon taxes piled on top of your idiotic demands for a full withdrawal of US forces from Iraq that would unleash chaos that would threaten global access to Middle East oil that would trigger massive increases in oil prices that would collectively devastate the global economy.

    Americans are already over taxed because government spending is completely out of control, but that will not stop people like you from demanding more government spending and higher taxes until our great nation collapses into an economic socialist disaster like Russia where their GDP is less than 5% of ours and their people live subsistent lives waiting for the day when their oil runs out.

    I know that economic reality is not a consideration for socialists like yourself, but what the American economy needs is 1) to reduce the federal budget by 10% to 15% 2) a 5% tax cut, 3) a firm commitment to stay in Iraq to defend global access to Middle East oil, and 4) an at least $20 billion annual invetment in helping Iraq increase its oil exports from 2.5mm bbls/day to its 8mm bbls/day potential. 1 and 2 would free cash for consumer spending and investment while 3 and 4 would cause the oil price to drop in half thus freeing additional cash for consumer spending and capital investment that drives economic growth.

    And will you flat tax/fair tax advocates give it up! The bottom 75% of American workers only pay 15% of total federal income taxes and the bottom 50% only pay 3%. A flat tax or fair tax would radically increase taxes on the people who could least afford it and who are paying little if anny taxes now. There is no way that is ever going to happen!!!

    • Posted By: kwaterway @ 02/06/2008 5:08:42 PM

      Wow -- I was going to post a rebuttal to Gross' slop and then I read the above by PoliticalRealityOnline. Sheer genius. The only thing left to say is that President Bush's tax cuts have dramatically increased federal revenue (as tax cuts always have). I don't know if tax-and-spenders are ignorant of the facts or accept the truth but push for tax increases anyway out of malice.

      • Posted By: howdy @ 02/07/2008 1:54:42 AM

        Well a tax hike would put more pain on society, but hey when youre going down the gurggler it might be wise to invest in a plug. Balancing the budget would actually increase investment as business knows that aritifically low taxes and the massive debt it accumilates must eventually lead to higher taxes. Once those taxes are in place then business can invest in confidence. Why invest if you're gonna get nailed with a tax hike of unkown size and shape?

    • Posted By: max.grant @ 02/06/2008 5:03:05 PM

      "Brilliant analysis! What our imploding economy really needs right now is a massive new tax increase in the form of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts! Could you please reference the economic theory or the successful history of massive tax increases that stimulated economic growth?"

      Actually, PRO, reference the years 1992-2000 for a demonstration of what BALANCING OUR NATIONAL BUDGET can do for a healthy economy. Thanks.

  • Posted By: mhc4bucks @ 02/06/2008 8:39:22 PM

    So a record expansion in our economy is bad performance. Recovering from the dot com bust and 9/11 is bad performance. Most of the budget is domestic programs that are forced to rise in spending by baseline budgeting put in place by your buddies the liberal democrats. You and your liberal buddies demogog even a cut in the increase in spending as a draconion cut...taking food from the mouths of children. If we do not cut taxes we will go further in the ditch. A good part of our current problem is the expiration of the tax cuts and the fear that a horrifically corrupt socialist like Ms Clinton could get elected president. Anyway it is great to read your column as it confirm s your bias and lack of intelligence.

    • Posted By: howdy @ 02/07/2008 1:46:30 AM

      Its easy to stimulate the economy by shoveling money off the back of a truck. The trick is earning the money in the first place, instead of borrowing it all from the China ATM

    • Posted By: foolsnemesis @ 02/06/2008 8:56:12 PM

      The comments indicate that the writer is either ignorant of the facts or is out of touch with reality. The country is in a recession and the national debt is at record levels. Unemployment continues to climb and the CPI clearly demonstrates a lack of economic expansion. In matters where it counts, the stock market is still in a nose dive and consumer confidence is near a record low. Expansion ? No... we are in a recession, read the Econ 101 definition...

  • Posted By: howdy @ 02/07/2008 1:40:31 AM

    Supply side economics is a total fallacy. Cutting taxes does not increase revenue anymore. When taxes were at 70% then, yes cutting taxes did encourage economic activity. But those days are 20+yrs ago. Cutting taxes today just lowers revenues. Revenues do go up in time because the economy grows over time. If tax cuts trully increased revenues then just cut taxes down to zero and the government should then have unlimited income! All cutting taxes now does increase the debt (9+trillion) thats $30,000.00 per person! Debts come due at some point. The mighty USA is only one bounced payment away from a banana republic. Do what Canada did in the mid nineties, BALANCE THE BUDGET! And hows Canada doing now? Their dollar is higher than a US one, need i say more?

  • Posted By: psiewell @ 02/06/2008 11:18:10 PM

    I am a social conservative and a economic liberal. I am not apposed to tax increasesif such increases serve the national interest...even if they work against me personally. However the history seems to suggest that tax increases have the affect of decreasing revenue to the federal government. Making the assumptions that the author makes it would seem counterintuitive reinstate the pre-bush tax cuts if we need greater revenue. Even JFK seemed to realize that reduced tax burden equalled greater investment and business activity and therefore greater tax revenue. Why then would increased debt imply the need for increased tax. That makes no senses.

  • Posted By: jbfromBigD @ 02/06/2008 11:00:51 PM

    Deficient Spending is immoral. It is just a delayed a tax on our children and grandchildren. As an adult, I pay my own bills and do not ask my children to pay for things that might make my life easier now, but will make their life more difficult now. Why do you think that the dollar is depreciating? Supply economics does not work. It just pushes the hard decisions onto the life of my two kids.

  • Posted By: jbfromBigD @ 02/06/2008 11:00:33 PM

    Deficient Spending is immoral. It is just a delayed a tax on our children and grandchildren. As an adult, I pay my own bills and do not ask my children to pay for things that might make my life easier now, but will make their life more difficult now. Why do you think that the dollar is depreciating? Supply economics does not work. It just pushes the hard decisions onto the life of my two kids.

  • Posted By: mnjam @ 02/06/2008 10:13:32 PM

    Clown show is an understatement. Candidate Bush in 2000 claimed that his tax cuts would return part of the projected surplus to the people. President Bush claimed that his tax cuts were needed to fight the recession, yet resisted any "trigger" to rescind the cuts in the event of a deficit. The predictable and predicted effect of these cuts was a structural deficit and a rolling recession as public investment necessary for growth was starved. The real purpose of these tax cuts was to ???drown it in a bath tub,??? as Bush made clear when he argued for Social Security privatization as a means of extending his tax cuts. President McCain? First, Candidate McCain, who has recanted his opposition to Bush???s tax cuts, will have to explain how he will cut $700 billion from the federal budget ??? as required to close the ???deficit??? and fight his???100 years war???for freedom in the Middle East. Talk about clown shows.

  • Posted By: clarohrepub @ 02/06/2008 9:22:03 PM

    OK..so you are a Bush-hating democrat that despises anyone that mentions the words Tax-Cut. I agree with the earlier post that you seem to have lost touch of the FACT that since Bush has been in office, we have RECOVERED from a dot-com bust and 9/11, seen INCREASED revenues and productivity. The sad TRUTH is our friends on BOTH SIDES of the aisle seem to forget to NOT SPEND MORE THAN THE REVENUES COMING IN! But then...what the hey!...let's see what magic plan democrats come up with that will stand the scrutiny of TRUTH! Then let the voters decide.

    • Posted By: clarohrepub @ 02/06/2008 9:31:47 PM

      Oh! I forgot to add an important note...it's the lackey's like you that are no better than the hedge fund monsters you so often call republicans. You CREATE the negative story lines just so you can benefit from them. Real nice of you to support our country that way!

  • Posted By: foolsnemesis @ 02/06/2008 8:45:48 PM

    McCain has proven thorugh his actions in the Senate that he is just another Republican yes man. He voted for the war, and has supported the administration in each major war funding endeavor. He has repeatedly sided with the administration in fiscal and Iraq war issues and had endorsed a needless long term presence in Iraq at the expense of Americal lives and tax dollars. McCain is simply another republican wolf in moderate clothing. A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same irresponsible fiscal policy and senseless loss of American lives.

  • Posted By: jonnyplayer @ 02/06/2008 6:24:39 PM

    Mccain is a man of his word, even stubborn about it at times. he will do everything in his power to make the tax cuts permanent. He may not have voted for them but he has never in 25 years raised taxes which would be the net result if he didnt keep with his word. Thank god that we will have a nominee that is Reagon like and not Bucannon like.

  • Posted By: drnoe @ 02/06/2008 6:22:57 PM

    <Or will he bow to reality and let most of the tax cuts sunset, as they were designed to do?> They weren't designed to sunset...the sunset clause was the only way to get these tax cuts passed. Letting them sunset would end up costing the Feds billions. The capgains/dividend cuts alone have generated well over $200 billion in additional revenue. That is a fact!

  • Posted By: uuforyou @ 02/06/2008 6:00:41 PM

    Huckabee has nowhere to go now. He won in states that are already going to
    go Republican in the fall. He broke no new ground. He is also bad at fundraising.
    Huckabee is a regional candidate with limited appeal. Huckabee voters are going to
    vote republican in the fall no matter what.
    Romney on the other hand won in Blue and red states.
    Romney won from coast to coast, and in the North where Republicans have less
    appeal. Romney can raise money and has money, something McCain needs.
    Conservative media likes and supports Romney, not Huckabee.
    While Huckabee voters are Republican loyalists who will stay Republican, Romney's
    voters are much more likely to support a third party candidate like Bloomberg.
    A VP choice needs to balance and benefit the nominee; Huck does neither, Romney
    does both. Romney would be a far better VP choice.

  • Posted By: atan @ 02/06/2008 5:50:56 PM

    Oh, look, another journalist too stupid or lazy to accurately characterize the FairTax. The FairTax does NOT, as Gross suggests, favor the wealthy (for that matter, neither does the current system, in which the wealthy provide nearly all of the federal tax revenues and the poor extract far more in value than they put in). The FairTax completely untaxes those at the poverty level by (a) providing a monthly prebate equivalent to the FairTax on spending up to the poverty level, and (b) completely eliminating the onerous and highly regressive Social Security and Medicare taxes paid by all workers (15.3%, including the employer contributed portion). Under the FairTax, the poorer you are, the more you benefit relative to the current system.

    The only people who pay more under the FairTax are the extremely wealthy who primarily live off of investment income rather than wages. They pay the 23% FairTax on spending rather than the relatively low capital gains tax Warrent Buffett has complained about. Now wait a minute, before you get your nickers all in a twist and start screaming that the wealthy don't actually spend much of their wealth and instead save and invest most of it, thereby avoiding paying the FairTax, take a breath and think it through. All wealth is ultimately spent -- not necessarily in the year earned as income, but eventually. If a wealthy person takes their income and invests it (temporarily avoiding taxes), that's only so they can receive a return greater than the value of the investment, which will ultimately be spent and taxed (perhaps after some additional investing). Of course, the wealthy person may leave some of their fotune to their heirs, but then the heirs will spend it (or leave it to their heirs, who will spend it, etc.). Money is of no use if it's not ultimately used for consumption, so it will ultimately be used for consumption, and therefore taxed. Under the FairTax, saving/investing does not avoid taxes, it merely postpones taxes. The only way a wealthy person can avoid the FairTax is to donate their wealth to charity -- but that should be at least as beneficial to society as if the government got the money (particularly since the charity gets 100% of the donation, not just the 23% the government would take).

  • Posted By: larry.carlson @ 02/06/2008 3:50:30 PM

    How about a real change in our tax system. Either a national sales tax or a fixed tax rate without complicated forms, deductions etc. Anyone or family making under $75000 could easily be excluded from the tax.

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