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  • Posted By: Rinnovato @ 02/06/2008 9:30:25 PM

    You know something I am noticing, Senator Obama is winning More States, Has More "Earned" Delegates, and has Won the Overall Popular Vote over Senator Clinton. It seems to me that the DNC, the Clintons and the Democratic Party Leaders (who are part of the superdelegates) are doing everything in their power to ensure the election of Hillary Clinton. EVERYONE, the candidates and even the Party Leaders in Florida and Michigan KNEW that they would LOSE their delegates IF they moved up their Primaries. They CHOSE to move them, even after knowing the consequences. The people of Michigan need to blame the Party Leaders in Michigan and Florida for being left out. TOO BAD! That was the understood rules a YEAR before the election took place. NO ONE moved to include them until Hillary Clinton won those states. They banned the candidates from campaigning; and isnt it convenient that Hillary was the ONLY ONE to leave her name one the Ballet even after they told her to take it off. IF the Super Delegate over-rule the People's Voice when Obama receive more earned Delegates, and they seat Michigan & Florida delegates resulting from an unfair contest; then I will start a campaign to end the Democratic Party. I will never support the Democratic Party again after these "Bush-Like" election processes.

    • Posted By: Phillyforever @ 02/06/2008 10:07:36 PM

      Rinnovato: HRC has more delegates than OB. HRC did not campaign in either MIchigan or Florida. If Michigan was so upset about the fact that HRC's name was on the ballot, they should have canceled DNC should have canceled the primary. shish.

  • Posted By: one88 @ 02/06/2008 10:05:16 PM

    Adding my "two cents here"...I am an IL resident and I voted for Hillary. I have lived in IL my whole life and to be honest here, I am not so sure about Barack. In watching him on tv and during the debates, he comes across as having good ideas and motivations. But- I only heard of Mr.Obama when he won the seat for state senator from IL. I cannot recall hearing about anything great from him when he was a state level senator. I think Hillary wood do a fine job as the prez...of course she has her faults, but what politician doesn't? Mr. Obama makes me a little nervous in that his lack of experience. The last few presidents were either governors( running state govt- although I am not sure how the current a**-clown made it this far???) or VP. Yes- Hillary has only been a senator for one term I believe, but I think she will try and do the best job for America and bring respect back to our country.

  • Posted By: spindr @ 02/06/2008 10:04:30 PM

    Forget who's leading who, but for God's sake let the people decide who they want as their nominee! Here we are in 2008 excited to have not one but two highly qualified candidates. But at the end of the day, the so-called Super Delegates (who control a whopping 40% of the delegates) may override the people's choice and pick the winner based upon "the best interests of the Party?" Are you kidding me? Please people, write your Congressional representatives and tell them you'll have none of it. We're all witnessing the most exciting and engaging political campaign in decades, but all will be for nought if the people's choice (i.e., whoever has the most delegates entering the Convention) is overturned by political insiders who have proven they are anything but super.

  • Posted By: mrodaz @ 02/06/2008 9:23:51 PM

    To Shannon01. You sound as though you haven't a clue regarding forgiveness. What happened between her and her husband was just that.....her and her husband. You should try keeping one!! There will always be the opportunity for forgiveness. It's not a sign of weakness. And if you're so much more the women, match up your accomplishments next to Hillary's.....my guess? you'd have the short list. Women world wide should be proud of how far Hillary has succeeded, whether she wins or not. Just the same for minorities and Obama......HUGE accomplishments and kudos for both.

    • Posted By: toddwayne @ 02/06/2008 10:04:02 PM

      What a bunch of bull. Hillary's accomplishment! I guess you can call them that if cheating, stealing, and lying are the characteristics of an ???accomplishment??? in your dictionary. The only differences between the Clintons and a white color criminal serving time is the Clinton???s have gotten away with it.
      Hillary is all about ???socialism??? so their goes our rights if she is elected! Her approach to healthcare is to force everyone to carry it. At what expense!

  • Posted By: nanajud @ 02/06/2008 10:01:39 PM


    Lest we all forget about the promises candidates make to change the world. Bring down taxes, create more jobs, ???a chicken in every pot and a Dodge in every garage" etc . . . . But let us be honest with ourselves. How many times have we voted for the guy who promised us the moon and delivered stardust. Ok he may be charismatic and idealistic but so was Ronald Reagan. God rest his soul. It took America 8 years to recover from Mr.
    Charisma-nomics. Obama talks a good game but he is too immature and the senate & legislative pit bulls will have him for lunch. They'll push and bully him into whatever they want in compromise after compromise so that he can attempt to maintain an outward illusion of delivering on some of the promises that he made which led the poor souls who bought into his song and dance from the start to feel, at least superficially, as is they have made the right choice. On the other hand, the fact remains that it did take
    ???a Clinton 8 years to clean up after 12 years of Reganomics which began with a Hollywood actor who had fetishes for both eating jelly beans and trading arms with the now hostile and nearly nuclear-capable Iranians while leaving the nation at the hands of a cohort of like minded conservatives which produced a multi-billion dollar deficit which was worsened by his Reagan???s follower & President to be who has been in bed with Saudi Oil money for the last 50 years. Mrs. Clinton was correct in stating that it will take another Clinton to clean up after the second Bush. Bearing in mind that Hilary Clinton has 8 successful years of service in the White House under her belt not to mention a successful term as the Senator of New York but also sports a staggering resume of successful public service endeavors prior to, during her time in the White House, and during her time as a State Senator and former First Lady. We cannot forget that Hillary Clinton accomplished the things that she did during a time when the conservative segment of the American population would have happily torn our nation to financial pieces and sold the lower and middle class citizens into involuntary slavery to the highest bidder in the name of the dollar. I believe that Hilary will do her best with the issues better than someone who is an innocent. Obama is still to young for this job at this time maybe in 10 years after some more seasoning he will be a good leader. And as far as Mr. Clinton, I dare anyone to stand up and say they have never done anything wrong. We are human beings. God didn't even believe we are capable of doing the right thing, hence his only son was sacrificed for our sins so we all could die with a clean slate. The only time the news or paparazzi talk about the Clinton's on TV is in a negative light.

  • Posted By: rubbernilly @ 02/06/2008 9:58:47 PM

    I am a Michigan resident who, sitting here watching the shinanigans of the Clinton camp, cannot help but feel like the adult watching another parent's misbehaving child. I sit here, shaking my head, wondering when someone is going to remind the child that there are rules. Real rules.

    Clinton uses the argument that if the Dems do not seat the delegates from MI and FL, then they will alienate those important states for the national election in November.

    Let me give the opposite side of that argument: if the DNC changes the rules, that is, if they give in to the Clinton campaign and decide to annoint her the nominee, then they will have lost my vote in November.

    I am an Obama supporter for the primary who still appreciates Clinton as a candidate. Obama did not earn my support by process of elimination (being the best of bad options, for instance), but through his poise, his tenor, his candor, and his ability to bring true hope and change to the country. Clinton, as a candidate, was hamstrung in my mind by her convoluted reasoning ... no, strike that... her convoluted RATIONALIZATION regarding her vote for the Iraq war (just admit you were wrong... John Edwards did!). And also bills that she voted for but was happy that didn't pass (what?). And also shifting answers on the driver's license for illegals question.

    But even with all of that, I still would have considered her over all of the Republican offerings (with the notable exception of Ron Paul) were she to become the nominee, but not if she had to change the rules after the fact.

    Look, I did not vote in the Michigan primary specifically because my candidate was not on the ballot. All of the other first-tier candidates had removed their names from the ballot... all except Hillary. Similarly, the Florida contests were uncontested, as none of the candidates could campaign there beforehand. Hillary "won" both... in much the same way that a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    Great. If she wants to claim a win in those states, let her. Let her claim their 0 delegates. Because, I tell you as a citizen of Michigan, the last thing we want to see is Hillary (or any candidate) benefit from a late change to the rules.

    The notion of having caucuses is a new one to me, but I suppose that this would be a good half-measure. Let the candidates work for the delegates. Let them earn them honestly. There are obstacles, of course:

    how to make sure that the people involved did not vote in the Republican primary?
    when would the decision to allow caucusing be announced, and how much time would each campaign have to prepare their financial strategy?

    Many issues to work through, but this I know for sure: if Hillary wins the nomination because she manages to get her 0-delegate "wins" converted to full-delegate "wins," she will have lost my vote.

  • Posted By: ramone @ 02/06/2008 9:57:34 PM

    Friends - Money is not everything! Mitt Romney and John Kerry had tons and raised a ton of cash. Look at where they are compared to John McCain who at one point carried his own bags to get his campaign to survive. So, Obama's money making is not necessarily a positive for him.

  • Posted By: ramone @ 02/06/2008 9:52:59 PM

    I think we have got so used to Clinton bashing and almost enjoy it to a great degree! But lets all be objective and realistic for a change!!

  • Posted By: aluck @ 02/06/2008 9:43:14 PM

    Rinnovato needs to chill out. Calling people idiots is no way to persuade them. Thank goodness Obama has a few more skills. And your assessment of Hillary Clinton fails to consider the truth, which is that she is a highly intelligent and motivated candidate that truly wants to do the best work she can. Democrats are lucky enough to have two candidates that can be described like that. Let's not tear each other up fighting over them.

    • Posted By: Phillyforever @ 02/06/2008 9:51:50 PM

      Thank you aluck! I agree. I am voting for Hillary, but will definitely support Obama if he wins the nomination. I'm sick of the Obama love fest and Hillary bashing.

    • Posted By: Rinnovato @ 02/06/2008 9:51:46 PM

      Read THE BARRETT REPORT by independent council David Barrett. Oh, that's right, the Democratic Leader got a Clinton Appointed Judge to Redact 120 pages which outlined the Clinton's abuse of Power in the White House in the 90's... i.e IRS abuses and people paying the Clintons hundreds of thousands of dollars for Pardons at the end of his term. Where else you think she got $5 Million? Hillary and Bill Clinton were more unethical in the White House than Bush ever was.

  • Posted By: pbates @ 02/06/2008 9:38:56 PM

    It is time in our land for all people to share in the economy. I am so tired of talking to
    young mothers/fathers who work in places like Wal-Mart, Wendy's, Walgreen's,
    etc., who have no health insurance. I see $20,000 hospital bill somedays for these people.
    If 100 people shared $100 in today's economy: 1 would get $40, 4 would get $5 and the other
    95 of us get $042cents. If only Latinos would understand that having Obama for President would bring us all up to a higher playing level--not just for a few people. Hope is a terrible thing to squash. All the young generation today deserve what we felt in the early sixties. I am 67 and will continue to actively work for Obama. I am a white Texas woman in Austin, Texas. Go OBAMA. My sister in Virginia will work for him also.
    In our opinion, the Clintons have shown a side this campaign this tme that we do not admire. And much will not change under them. She even campaigned in Michigan and Florida after the party had agreed not to do so. So, I stand with Obama's honor.

    • Posted By: Phillyforever @ 02/06/2008 9:49:16 PM

      Clinton did not campaign in Michigan or Florida. Obama is not promising to share the economy. I respect your viewpoints and your age, but what we need is "help" not hope. The things you think that the Clintons have done wrong are things you were told by the media. You can't believe the media. You should check out both candidates websites, compare the issues and then decide.

  • Posted By: lawtek @ 02/06/2008 9:49:09 PM

    Obama, while you have been Illinois senator the cost of gas (4-homes) has gone up almost 30%, electric bills have gone up almost 30%, phone bills have gone up almost 30%. While you were supposed to be at work- working for us, you were on Oprah promoting your book. In Illinois, cars older than 95 are no longer required to test emissions, Chicago schools are in severely poor condition, and the list goes on. If you can't handle the job of senator, why should anyone vote for you?

  • Posted By: ramone @ 02/06/2008 9:47:12 PM

    I think we have got so used to Clinton bashing and almost enjoy it to a great degree! But lets all be objective and realistic for a change!!

  • Posted By: Jsquaredrev @ 02/06/2008 9:45:54 PM

    So there is something inherently wrong with a handsome, well spoken person who speaks of an altrernative energy source? Please, put your aluminum hat back on so the aliens cannot read your thought waves!

    I am so sick of conspiracy theories. Obama makes me feel as if it might be possible that someone could get elected for the content of his character and the substance of his ideas. If it does not work out, I'll just start stockpiling my supplies and purchase some guns, cause this nation is about to come apart at the seams.

  • Posted By: ramone @ 02/06/2008 9:39:49 PM

    This is not true! The latest delegate totals on http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/ show Hillary up 823 to 741. And, she leadsthe popular vote albeit by a small margin (1% or less)!!

  • Posted By: mrodaz @ 02/06/2008 9:38:30 PM

    doughertyz: Wow!! What about the anti christ king liar that's been in office for the past 8 years. Was your fricken head in sand? Can't sink any lower than where we are now. Does nobody bother to watch cnn or bbc or anything other than American Idol? Pray the jackass in office now doesn't force us into Armeggedon!

  • Posted By: EscapeToday @ 02/06/2008 9:37:05 PM

    I think Mitt should split with the deadbeat republicans and go independent.

  • Posted By: ramone @ 02/06/2008 9:24:17 PM

    Here's the other serious reality that us Democrats are confronted with. If Obama wins the nomination, McCain will easily get a larger chunk of the Latino vote. That will absolutely do it for any hopes of a Dem. being the next President! Hasta la Vista, baby!!

    • Posted By: Phillyforever @ 02/06/2008 9:36:48 PM

      McCain is not going to get any of the Latino vote. He wants to build a fence and send all illegal immigrants back to where they came from. Give me a break.

  • Posted By: Shannon01 @ 02/06/2008 9:16:48 PM

    Comment: I wouldn't vote for Hillary or McCain. Both are liers and will say anything to get the nomaination.
    Hillary couldn't stand up to her lying, cheating husband so why should I think she would stand up for the USA.
    We need change and I think Obama is what we need. If we put Hillary and Bill back in the White house we deserve what we will get>

    • Posted By: Phillyforever @ 02/06/2008 9:35:52 PM

      Enter Your Comment
      What has Hillary lied about? What goes on btwn Hillary and Bill is btwn them. They stayed together and raised a wonderful daughter, that should be enough to quench out your anger over Hillary not leaving Bill. Bill is not running for President. Hillary is. Obama will say anything as well to get the nomination.

  • Posted By: AguilarJ @ 02/06/2008 7:55:58 PM

    I think it would be in the interest of Latinos to look into the policies of Clinton before we go hand over heels in love with her. Her stances on immigration, id/driver's license, the actual implimentation of "universal healthcare," etc. and numerous other issues other than just the "Clinton" name are in direct contrast to the needs of the Latino community. It is one thing to make a promise to a community in a primary, and a wholely other issue to break the promise after an election. Also, rather than boast about our growing power, in relation to blacks--it should be noted that no other communities need to support each other the most other than blacks and whites. Do do otherwise, only dooms the Latino community to future xenophobic attacks by conservatives and anti-immigrant liberals. It just concerns me when I see Latinos pitted against blacks very subtly, especially since black and Latino status is so tied together. Do you think that those who would throw blacks overboard would not also throw Latins over the border? Think again.

    • Posted By: cowabonga2 @ 02/06/2008 9:33:42 PM

      If we are so smart, why did we elect Bush a SECOND TIME?

  • Posted By: maa1940 @ 02/06/2008 9:18:49 PM

    I watched Michelle Obama's interview with great interest and was so moved when she said that politics tends to be about playing games and that if a person allows himself to play games in politics it will carry over into his/her personal life. She stated that neither she nor Barack want that to happen to them so they try hard to not buy into the games. This corresponds with the impression that I have had of Barack since I first started to read his autobiography and to watch him on TV. He comes across as direct, honest, and moral. Hillary is very skilled but she will manipulate the truth, people and situations. In other words she is a game-player to acheive what she wants. Let's get behind honesty and vote for the candidate who best exemplifies that in this election -- Barack Obama

    • Posted By: Phillyforever @ 02/06/2008 9:30:55 PM

      Enter Your Comment
      Michelle just played you.

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