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  • Posted By: whala @ 02/07/2008 2:13:39 PM

    Everyone is wondering if McCain will be able to re-unite the now fractured republican party. As a conservative, I sure hope not. If he succeeds, America loses. If conservatives "fall in line" behind a candidate who doesn't represent them, it signals that conservatives don't really value their own principals. Now that the Republican party has rejected Mitt Romney, the only way I see for America to progress is to put a Democrat in the white house, and here's why:

    Most Americans don't realize the extent of the problem we face with entitlement spending. Bill Clinton didn't have the challenges facing our current President. President Bush is the first to face the initial increase of Social Security spending for baby boomers, and it will only be worse for the next president. While many say they feel the economy is the number one issue, they only say that because that's todays thing to say--they can't tell you why. They think it's just because we may be coming into a recession, but that's nothing compared to the entitlement problem. If people really knew how big of a pending problem this really is, there is no way that Republicans would have passed on Mitt Romney.

    Unfortunately, voters are largely bandwagoners instead of informed decision makers. People base their decisions on today, and lack the forsight to see what is coming in the future. The GOP had a chance to put up a candidate that could have tackled the spending issue head on, and made a huge difference to the future of our Nation. It's disheartening to belong to a party that couldn't collectively recognize the potential that Romney has to offer. I do not see McCain as having the vision or insight to understand the entitlement problem--much less tackle it. Putting him in the oval office now will only increase the current public perception that overspending is a problem unique to the Republican party. The entitlement problem is poised to become huge in the next decade, and everyone is pointing fingers across the isle instead of looking to someone who could design a system to prevent the problem. Since Republicans took a pass on the only candidate who could effectively address this issue, we must now put a Democrat in the white house which will accomplish nothing, but will hopefully wake people up to the fact that this is an American problem--not just a current Republican party problem.

    I know that many want a Republican president no matter what, and looked to electability as the factor for their decision. Are Republicans really so entrenched in partisanship, that we are willing to sacrifice the good of the Nation for the success of the Party? It sure looks like it to me.

    • Posted By: bwnick7 @ 02/08/2008 2:08:21 PM

      The only oportunity that remains fro true conservatives is to have either Obama or the "lady" in as President so that therer will be a much clearer choice in 2012. Hopefully in the next four years, Mitt will have the chance to gain more name recognition and acceptance as a viable spokesperson for conservatives and moderates.

    • Posted By: DJFrog71 @ 02/07/2008 3:47:24 PM

      Maybe you should be writting for Newsweek instead of the liberal dribble that was published. Thanks for your commnets, I would have to say that you put into words exactly what needed to be said. It is a sad day for all of us. So who do we vote for now unless we think it is ok to throw away our values and get in line for a man who does not represent a thing I believe in! Being a rep. is not what it used to be! People are so influenced by the media and ignore the real problems that our country is facing. I think that with Romney we had a fighting chance to get back some of the greatness that is slipping away from america!

  • Posted By: midnirdr @ 02/08/2008 12:10:05 PM

    Thank you to JeremiahGrant. He is exactly right, we are lucky to have Mitt Romney and I hope we will see him again.

    • Posted By: Dare270 @ 02/08/2008 12:39:34 PM

      You're in the minority.

      • Posted By: msmith1221 @ 02/08/2008 2:07:27 PM

        4 million votes to 4.7 million. Yes, a minority, but not by a large margin. And yet, the truth is the truth. If 4.7 million people decide that a spoon is actually a fork the truth would still remain.

  • Posted By: Quartz @ 02/08/2008 2:04:13 PM

    Thank you Mitt
    For the way you stood up for your country.It shows true character when a person can stand up for what they believe. While being the target of many arrows you held your head up. As for the only time on record that you have changed your mind it was the right direction. (choose life ) God bless you and your family for running and God bless this great nation that I love.

  • Posted By: green eyed monster @ 02/08/2008 12:26:23 PM

    Fineman, it is now time for you to exit graciously. It is time for you to extract your lips from the asses of Hucklephony and McPain. I would think you would be exhausted by now playing the "bend over" game on their behalf...If Mitt Romney never does another thing in his life he has "outed" the MSM so beautifully. I was naivee before this race. I will never trust another reporter or Media article I read. You are major players with your own agendas. It would not be a stretch with you to say you are the "***" of George Soros!!!! RIP Howard. In your jealous rage over a fine and decent man, you buried your own pathetic career. (tearing up Newsweek rag while walking away)

    • Posted By: Dare270 @ 02/08/2008 12:38:13 PM

      Ha. If anything this gives him credibility as a journalist and a more promising career.

      • Posted By: msmith1221 @ 02/08/2008 2:04:09 PM

        @ Dare270 - I guess it depends on how you define a journalist. If your definition includes, "truth bending, agenda driven, slanted drivel, then yes, he is very credible as a journalist.

  • Posted By: Jack Mehoff @ 02/08/2008 1:43:00 PM

    Here's the problem.,Huckabee stayed in looking for a VP position.If he had left, Romney would have pushed McCain out.Why? Because the conservatives would have seen McCain leaning torward the Dems way of thinking.Ultimately it doesn't matter.If McCain is the candidate.The Dems win in November.Romney,and the republicans had a shot.

  • Posted By: Mighty Mouse @ 02/08/2008 10:18:46 AM

    Howard Fineman is brilliant. He is Phi Betta Kappa, clearly the best journalist in America and the most respected person at Newsweek Magazine. He should become an executive and possibly run for president. Never has there been such an outstanding journalist. In the history of the world, he is clearly the most brilliant, most articulate, most educated and most handsome of all men in the world.

    • Posted By: fatacid @ 02/08/2008 1:42:56 PM

      So cute Mighty Mouse has a crush XOXO. The fun part is that he spins things his way and less intelligent people eat it up like Kibble. Finemann is witty like a bumpersticker; his writting is littered with personal agendas with little access to the otherside. ps. the reference to the little boys club...really you guys going to a keggar later? Please don't reproduce.

    • Posted By: fatacid @ 02/08/2008 1:36:00 PM

      Thats cute Mighty Mouse has a crush. XOXOX. The fun thing is how he spins things his way and less intelligent people eat it up like Kibble. Mighty Mouse, Finemann is about as witty as a bumper sticker. He writting is littered with personal agendas with little access to the other side.

  • Posted By: Shania @ 02/08/2008 1:57:19 AM

    Bang On Howard! I especially appreciated the comparison with Dubya. So true. Oh when will Americans deepen in their discernment abilities? I believe the problem really is spiritual; we haven't gone deep ehough searching for truthfulness in our own lives so as to recognize it, or the lack thereof, in the lives of political suitors. Where was the vetting on this candidate? Where was reasearch done and communicated on Bain Capital? Where was a similar expose done on Mormon eschatology, involving as it does, messianic plans for america? This was like a scarey date with an Amway salesman who gets on TV and says that you are marrying him before you've even had a first dance. David Letterman had him pegged before anyone! This was a scarey man, Howard - and America could have really blown it here. We should thank our lucky stars that McCain was there, just being his good self. When will someone give him a nice article for a change? Howard, its up to you. Mac is Back!

    • Posted By: aaronminks @ 02/08/2008 3:18:28 AM

      That is a wonderful idea. You really are smart. Let's investigate the religion of every single political candidate in great depth. Let's also investigate their sleeping habits. Yes, that's it. Wow, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin couldn't have come up with a better plan...oh wait a second....they did come up with a better plan. What was that plan again? It starts with a "C" I think. Oh right, the constitution. Who cares if there are huge similarities in symbolism with masonic stuff. What does the LDS church do that is so bad. Is it helping hurricane Katrina victims? is it running the most effective welfare system? Is it offering free education to underprivileged people? Is it promoting family values? What? What is the big deal?

      • Posted By: kumjani @ 02/08/2008 12:33:43 PM

        Yes, what is the big deal? All these Mormon haters are crazy fanatics. They have no idea what the church is all about yet act like they have a PHd in it. There logic is quite silly at times but you know, the Scribes and Pharisees who were PHd's in religion back in the day got it wrong too. So I suppose history just keeps repeating itself. I wonder what Jesus thinks about all these so called christians who like to bash and tear apart poeple of the LDS church who devoutly beleive in Christ as there Savior? Just a thought.

  • Posted By: green eyed monster @ 02/08/2008 12:29:50 PM

    I would rather vote for a man that eventually comes around to my way of thinking than vote for a man who consistently gives me the finger!!!!!

  • Posted By: clcardon @ 02/08/2008 12:26:12 PM

    Howard,

    Have you been asleep during the last 4 months? Your article was terrible, simply
    terrible. I you might have as well written an article on neuroanatomy, because
    you obivously understand as much of that as you do about Mitts campaign. Mitt put
    up a great fight. True he is an excellent business man and an ok politician, but
    that is exactly what america needs, Mitt is Mitt you said in the article he wasnt
    acting like hime self, Huh the guy on super tuestday eve goes to a church leaders
    funeral!!!! What else does a guy got to do to show that he is who he is, the fact
    that he is mormon, and refused to change being a mormon proves the point. Do you
    even know what a mormon is? try wikipedia its probably better then any other
    source you can get your short arms on. you protryaed mitt as failing miserable,
    the guy had 4million votes when he droped out compared to mcain 4.7 million, im
    no rocket scientist but the numbers seem to say, hmmm mitt had a lot support.
    mitt was true to who he is, he changed opinions on some issues, he's not perfect,
    but he stands for what he stands. He didnt trash talk he talked about facts and
    issues that his rivals had made mistakes on they can blame him alll they want but
    facts are stuborn things....oh wait you probably didnt watch the california
    debate., he won 11 states, mccain has won 13. learn your math the guy was on the
    right road, he wasnt winning the delegates he needed for purposes that are
    obviously above your level of thinking and reasoning. do the math, see beyond
    your own obvious jelousy an ignorance, and dont write things you know nothing about.

  • Posted By: markdennen @ 02/08/2008 12:22:25 PM

    Romney wanted it both ways. He would give dozens of speeches to southern audiences saying "Jesus is my personal savior." Then he would give speeches nationwide saying "my religion is a private matter that should not be part of the political debate." Huckabee never kept religion private. McCain never talked about his religion. Romney tried to have it both ways.

  • Posted By: Gus8296 @ 02/07/2008 4:18:12 PM

    I'm from Mitt's "home" state and found the 'true' Mitt when he left his governorship early for his bid for presidency. I was suprised that that wasn't discussed. Besides the debacle of the 'big dig' he made sure that his political cronies were inserted in the courts before he left. Thank God he pulled out before he left the whole country high and dry for his personal 'ambitions".

    • Posted By: astounded @ 02/08/2008 11:57:29 AM

      You are really full of it. Romney had nothing to do with the big dig and even offered to take it over, but it was too far along when he got in...Some of you people continue to insist on showing not only your ignorance but your bias and bigotry with statements that have no factual background.

  • Posted By: brian.glanz @ 02/07/2008 4:03:43 PM

    Apparently, Mormons think it is religious bias -- and religious bias is wrong -- for 1 in 3 evangelical Christians to vote for Romney. This is because they believe more should have voted for Romney, so 2 out of 3 must be religiously biased. At the same time however, more than 9 in 10 Mormons in Utah voted for Romney. How can it be right for Mormons to be so religiously biased, and wrong for everyone else? BG

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    • Posted By: concernedconservative @ 02/07/2008 4:21:54 PM

      YES!!!! And about time SOMEONE finally sees that!! Reverse discrimination, a door which only swings "one way"! No one wanted to admit 2 truths:
      1) Romney received equal votes amongst "evangellyfish" (christians too weak to stand for anything), along with McCain & Huckabee. That obliterates 2 media myths: a) Huckabee is a christian-only candidate and all his support is from only christians and christians only support Huckabee; b) Evangelicals are bigoted and biased, withholding from MItty the nomination due to anti-mormon discrimination.
      2) The ONLY candidate to WIN the most conservative area of the USA was Huckabee, not McCain and certainly not Romney, testifying that it has ALWAYS been Huckabee is the sole conservative choice.
      No one cried "foul!" in Arizona when the LDS voted 99% for Romney.

      • Posted By: brian.glanz @ 02/07/2008 4:35:19 PM

        I could hear the tension in voices who reported that more than 90% of Utah had gone to Romney. On television, their faces said it; they wanted to say out loud "because they are all Mormon" but even pointing out the demographic facts of the situation was perhaps too close to saying "they were all biased against non-Mormons." The media is under incredible pressure to be unbiased, so much that they under-report facts which are in any regard revealing of others' bias.

        • Posted By: JeremiahGrant @ 02/07/2008 8:26:23 PM

          The last thing I want to hear from a bunch of Huckster supporters is any more whining about how people in Utah voted 90% for Romney.

          Let's consider a couple of relevant points. 1) The people of Utah are VERY familiar with Mitt's outstanding leadership abilities having witnessed them first hand when he turned around the SLC Olympics. 2) Utah is one of the most Conservative states in the nation. It's no surprise that they picked a true Conservative. 3) Huckleberry was in UT a few years back telling all Mormons that they were ignorant, evil and going to hell. Not exactly a way to win over support. 4) Naturally Mormons didn't have to overcome apprehension over his faith or core beliefs since they are very familair with them. 5) Mitt won in a number of other states where people were familiar enough with Mormons to understand that they love their families and country as much as the rest of you, that they're honest and hard working people, that they too believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior. 6) A full one third of the state didn't vote for him.

          Again, when poll after poll confirmed that 25-45% of people are so bigoted that they will even admit that they would never vote for a Mormon, it is no conjecture. The facts prove the case. Conversely, you'll never find any poll wherein any significant portion of Mormons indicate that they would never vote for someone based on their particular faith.

          • Posted By: brian.glanz @ 02/08/2008 2:00:32 AM

            Jeremiah, I'll stop you first in your first assumption, where you said "The last thing I want to hear from a bunch of Huckster supporters...."

            I do not support Huckabee. In fact I'll go further, and say I would never vote for someone with Governor Huckabee's childish beliefs in the superiority of men over women, in the validity of his current candidacy, or in the supremacy of his religiously blind perspective.

            You'll never (or let's say not likely) find a poll regarding whether Mormons would vote for someone not of their religion versus a choice for someone who is of their religion -- true, and obvious because (1) Mormons are a tiny minority (who no one cares to poll) and (2) the circumstances have rarely presented themselves; for more information on point 2, see point 1.

            I was not stating that Mormons are religiously biased -- only that **according to the logic of some Mormons commenting here**, the facts from Utah suggest Mormons are religiously biased.

            I **was** stating that it is illegitimate for some Mormons to accuse evangelical Christians of religious bias based on the fact that one in three evangelical Christians chose Romney -- because -- because notably, more than nine in ten Mormons chose a Mormon over multiple other and more viable candidates. That is, their accusation would be illegitimate assuming they think religious bias is wrong, and assuming they think Mormons are not religiously biased.

            If a ratio equals a bias, then according to the logic of those Mormons, Mormons in general are three times as bigoted as evangelical Christians. I however, do not think a ratio equals a bias, and I have no idea whether Mormons in general are more or less biased than other Christians.

            I do know one thing for certain: you and too many other people in this discussion are either too quick to assume you are correct or too thick to imagine otherwise.

            • Posted By: JeremiahGrant @ 02/08/2008 11:50:29 AM

              Looks to me like you didn't take more than two seconds to read my post. I gave you 5-6 reasons why people in Utah and neighboring states were more likely to vote for Mitt Romney. Now, did some of them vote for him purely because he is LDS? Unfortunately, the answer is probably yes. I don't condone that either, but I suspect it is far fewer than ALL of them as you would suggest to arrive at your ratio.

              Again, I gave you 5-6 legitimate reasons. What the Utah vote tells me is that once you find people who (1) are familiar with Mitt Romney's leadership abilities and (2) aren't predisposed to dislike him because of fear and ignorance regarding his religion that you then see how amazing well he would have done if religion had not been an issue. Now, I certainly wouldn't be so naive as to suggest that he'd win 90% to 5% everywhere, but he'd be well on his way to the nomination at this point. Again, I point to the polls where 25-40% of the people openly admit that they won't vote for a Mormon. Think about it. In most states, Romney started out 25-40% behind. Cut that figure in half if you think half of them were not Republicans. That's still 12-20%. Now, you add 12-20%...or even half of that again to his vote totals and he wins NH and FL. He does that and McCain is dead in the water. Facts are facts are facts.

              Is he the perfect candidate? No, none of them are. Did he run a perfect campaign? Of course not. If he without question the MOST qualified candidate based upon a lifetime of accomplishments/results, intelligence, proven leadership abilities, winning ideas...etc.? YES!!! America would have been lucky to have him.

    • Posted By: eshuster @ 02/07/2008 6:08:53 PM

      The exit polling refutes entirely what you are saying. 45% of Christian Conservatives said they would not vote for a Mormon. That is bigotry. We Mormons have rarely ever had a Mormon to vote for, so when one comes along and we vote for him we are automatically branded bigots? Bad logic my friend.

      • Posted By: brian.glanz @ 02/08/2008 2:02:43 AM

        It's not my logic -- it's the logic of some Mormons commenting here, applied equally to themselves as they had applied it to evangelical Christians.

        I suppose they do not appreciate being subjected to their logic because it is illogical and unfair; thus, they should imagine they might be wrong.

        • Posted By: wyocby @ 02/08/2008 2:45:23 AM

          Dear Brian, Mormons in general have consistenty voted for conservatives of any religion where evangelicals in general vote for conservatives unless they are Mormon....perhaps we are comparing bias with bigotry. In general evangelicals are guilty of religious bigotry because they vote against Mormons even though Mitt is not only on their side politically but has also lived the qualities they say they want. You may say that Mormons are biased but I would wager that if you replaced Mitt with Harry Reid (also a Mormon) you would see many Mormons voting for Huckabee and then even your bias argument would fly out the window.

    • Posted By: theknowinsamoan @ 02/07/2008 4:09:07 PM

      Ha! You are totally right! It was a little frustrating to see so many of my friends and family jump on the Romney band wagon. It should be noted, though, that it is socially acceptable to make positive generalizations about culture religion race etc. but it is pretty much regarded as bigotry to make negative generalizations about the same.

      • Posted By: brian.glanz @ 02/07/2008 4:21:46 PM

        By the logic of some Mormons commenting here, and from the perspective of an evangelical Christian (which I am not personally, but commenting from their perspective), a Mormon voter in Utah is roughly three times as much a bigot against evangelical Christians, as is an evangelical Christian voter a bigot against Mormons ... and "they" said the Democrats were tearing themselves apart!

  • Posted By: wyocby @ 02/08/2008 11:23:09 AM

    I just watched the interview with Fineman and Huck...the question about leaving to insure success in Iraq wasn't because he didn't know he could handle it....it was because he felt that staying in longer would weaken the Republican candidate (McCain) and lead to Clinton or Obama winning the general election! Fineman and Huckabee--are you both really that stupid? I guess so.

  • Posted By: nccvax @ 02/07/2008 6:31:07 PM

    gotitwrong: I was not trying to ridicule you even if you had gone on a mission. Ridicule would have been if I said something to the effect that you should stop whinning here and go complain to one of your wives.

    • Posted By: maria_dee @ 02/08/2008 10:45:52 AM

      or at the very least hit one of his wives upside the head with a two by four

  • Posted By: Dare270 @ 02/08/2008 10:26:03 AM

    Thank god mitt is gone.

  • Posted By: Abram4 @ 02/08/2008 9:45:28 AM

    Now his sons are free to serve in Iraq.

  • Posted By: Abram4 @ 02/08/2008 9:42:54 AM

    Now his sons are free to serve in Iraq.

  • Posted By: phsei @ 02/07/2008 8:29:45 PM

    It is unfortunate to see Mitt Romney quit and John McCanin ends up winning the nomination. A used-to-be POW is just an unlucky person at most but not a hero in my book. The soldiers who died for our country are real heros Soldier stay alive and fighting is his duty. I think people has mistaken a phony conservative to be their leader is the most tragic.

    • Posted By: freezyfreakies @ 02/07/2008 10:45:43 PM

      I can't believe no one has repsonded to you. You, are without question, the biggest jackass on the planet. Only true war hero's die and are not imprisioned? I would love to see war veterans kick the holy hell out of you. I have never heard such stupidity in all my life.

      • Posted By: maria_dee @ 02/08/2008 9:06:29 AM

        he must have forgot the part where the Vietcong offered McCain freedom because his dad was an Admiral and McCain declined it because he didn't want to abandon fellow POWs.

        There is so much downright stupidity in the comments on this board. I'm starting to wonder if voters should be IQ qualified before we cast ballots.

  • Posted By: Armbrooke @ 02/07/2008 11:45:17 PM

    Romney courted the hateful holy-roller hick vote. He found out that a) we've learned our lesson about letting those morons govern us, and b) they like a Baptist preacher from Arkansas better than a millionaire from Mass. Good ridance to all of them.

    • Posted By: mrtuttle @ 02/08/2008 8:57:15 AM

      Your bigotry is coming through loud and clear!

    • Posted By: MRam1 @ 02/08/2008 12:02:28 AM

      Romney has more votes than Huckabee. A Southern Baptist Doctrine is more incorrect than the LDS church. I would rather choose the Mormons. The SBC is too hypocrite . MCCain just has an advantage because he has been involved with the government longer.

  • Posted By: Robert----55 @ 02/07/2008 9:19:39 PM

    Romney was running against several factions, Big liberal media who wanted mccain to win, religeous bigotry promoted by Huckabee and supporters, and Mccain & huckabee backroom deals. Principals
    over party, i will never, never vote for Mccain and will not associate myself [non mormon] with a party that condones religeous bigotry. Out of gop.

    • Posted By: mrtuttle @ 02/07/2008 9:33:29 PM

      Most of the religious bigotry I saw in the campaign was directed towards Huckabee not Romney. The message that came out loud and clear was that no one was holding Romney's religion against him but only an Evangelical Christian would vote for Huckabee. Bigotry against Evangelical Christians is the only acceptable bigotry in this country.

      • Posted By: CaseyinPa @ 02/07/2008 9:43:29 PM

        I don't know what you've been reading but there were attacks on Mormonism all over the Internet. Now those same people can focus on the lie that Obama is a Muslim

        • Posted By: mrtuttle @ 02/08/2008 8:54:57 AM

          Anyone can post anything on the internet so I sure you can find attacks o Mormonism all over the internet. That is not an indication that Huckabee or his supporters are bigots against mormon. The only thing that Huckabee has said that remotely could be construde as an attack on Mormonism is he asked, in response to Romney's asertion that he beleives in Jesus just like the Christians, what exactly do Mormons beleive about Jesus. He then promptly appologized after people complained that is was attacking Mormons.

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