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  • Posted By: BAK53 @ 02/08/2008 12:24:41 PM

    I think deep down, Romney lost because he is Mormon. I think most liberal Americans would like to believe otherwise, but the results of the elections in certain key states make it obvious. I am a legal (naturalized) immigrant and am amazed at the ignorance I have discovered among the people in this country, where information is at your fingertips. Unfortunately, misinformation is also available in great amounts. I could bet that most of the people in the so-called Bible belt had no idea, for example, that Harry Reid is a Mormon as well as are several members of Congress and state governments. The latest comment I just read calling Mormons outcasts is proof of just such a thing. Compared to Hillary, Obama and McCain, Romney has at least been a governor. Even Huckabee can boast of that experience. If we are so concerned about the economy, I don't know why we cannot put aside bigotry and vote with our heads. I have been very proud of having become an American, until now. I still love the US and its people, but I am beginning to think that there are a lot more prejudiced and hateful people than I thought.

    • Posted By: happy2be @ 02/08/2008 3:55:59 PM

      Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

  • Posted By: Hman @ 02/08/2008 11:15:30 AM

    I had to listen to Mitt's farewell speech a few times to comprehend what he was saying. He truly is an idiot. He states he resigned because he loves this country. well if he continued his campaign would that mean he hate his country. These politicians must this we people are plain stupid. There was no cahnce in hell he would be elected, not because of his religion, but


    because he was a terrible candidate

    • Posted By: happy2be @ 02/08/2008 3:40:52 PM

      Politicians don't think "we" are stupid, just you. Word of advice, don't bother reviewing his speach anymore, it won't help.

  • Posted By: fgroos49@gmail.com @ 02/08/2008 11:40:04 AM

    Comment: It is not just evangelicals that claim the Mormons are "heretics".

    Most Christian religions view Mormans as non- Christian and/or cultish. The main reason for this is the view of the Christian Trinity (one God with 3 persons). The mormons believe that there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost (3 seperarte distince Gods (polytheism, not Christian monotheism)

    One additional comment: Mr Peirez use of m(ASS) shows me where his worth of comment comes from. The "religious right" the more than rightous people manage to always be critical of the voters especially when they the voters pick someone who is not part of the extreme right wing. I think John McCain is a very conservative person, but is tired of the partisan bickering promoted by the extreme right wing of the Republican party. John McCain provides a very fresh approach to bi-partison approach for the good of the country. There are more than right wing people in this country. Thanks to the Almighty creating each of us differently with no built in "sheep" mentality.

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 02/08/2008 3:38:37 PM

      I'm sorry, my friend, but you are wrong. God does create us with a "sheep" mentality, which is the Light of Christ in every one of us. It is the sad state of the world that influences us into our individuality. Granted, each of our spirits have certain attricutes, but each of us inherently knows right from wrong - we are sheep, that is why Jesus is the Good Shepherd.

  • Posted By: shmemo @ 02/08/2008 10:59:35 AM

    tjriskas, if you knew ANYTHING about the Mormon faith and its doctrine, you would be sticking your foot in your mouth. Maybe you should have the missionaries come explain a few things to you before you start bashing the church. To speak in such ignorance really says a lot about a person. Also, Zigzig, you are correct and drake77 is wrong...our whole purpose here is to recieve a body and be tested. If we are proven faithful, we may one day become perfect, even as God is perfect. We all can become Gods and Godesses. So drake77, maybe you should attend church more often and understand LDS doctrine before you give out false info.

    • Posted By: drake77 @ 02/08/2008 1:04:55 PM

      Um....let's see, I've served in bishoprics and as EQ President. Your statement is facile and ignorant, and harms genuine believers who take the *time* to learn church doctrine, not a rhyme.

      • Posted By: aad135 @ 02/08/2008 3:29:08 PM

        Drake - again I must tell you to quit your ingorance. I am a Seminary Instructor, and you are wrong.

        Open up your copy of "Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith" (published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, 2007). Begin on page 40, "God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man." Next, turn to page 52 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs of God, and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, if so be that we suffer with him in the flesh that we may be also glorified together (Romans 8:16-17, you non-LDS readers ponder the meaning of that scripture). Finally, turn to pgs. 221-222 and Doctrine & Covenents 131:1-4. "Here, then, is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves... and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power... What is it? To inherit the same power, the same glory, and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a god, and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before."

        This is church doctrine. Maybe, drake, if you humbled yourself away from your position of authority, the mysteries of the Gospel will be truly made known to you. All too often I've seen preisthood leaders moving away from real church doctrine and policy because they themselves are ignorant of what the Gospel truly teaches and have enshrined themselves with a resume of "callings" to lend cedence to their authority. Please, stop doing this, as you are giving those of us who know church doctrine a bad name.

  • Posted By: jackel @ 02/08/2008 3:12:55 PM

    I don't understand how in this so-called era of enlightenment that religious bigotry is still tolerated in this country and that politicians and journalists would pander to ignorance and fear rather than truth. Did the mainstream media help to enlighten Americans about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? No! In fact, in many instances they helped to gleefully add to the misunderstandings. And when President Gordon B. Hinckley died, there was hardly a mention of what this great man did and how through his influence millions of people around the world have received aid in times of disaster regardless of their religious status, thousands of wheelchairs are sent all over the world to improve the quality of life of many individuals, doctors are sent across the world to help other doctors learn techniques to resussitate newborns, provide cataract surgery and eyeglasses, and engineers are sent to dig wells in places like Africa so people can have clean drinking water. He established the Perpetual Education Fund to help members in third world countries lift themselves out of poverty. But, no one reports this... Those who would say that Mormons are not Christians need to dig a little deeper and look in the mirror. And, those who would question only Mitt Romney on his religion need to ask themselves another question why not ask Mike Huckabee or Barack Obama about theirs or even John McCain for that matter?

  • Posted By: adamskr @ 02/08/2008 10:39:07 AM

    I personally don't care what religion a person is as long as it wouldn't cross-over to politics. That is unacceptable. But face it, Clinton is the only one I trust not let her personal belief system to influence issues of the nation. As far as the money issue goes, you cannot run for any office in this day and age without being a millionaire. That's just a fact of life. Romney's problem was he just couldn't connect to the average joe. Without this insight, he couldn't take of of the nation.

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 02/08/2008 2:44:32 PM

      I completley agree with your initial stament, BUT - one must have a "personal belief system" before it can "influence issues of a nation." Clinton is as about a faith-foundationless as they come - talk about a phoney..! Give me a break; I weep for our nation. If I wasn't so patriotic, I'd pull a Barbara Streisand on thie election..!

  • Posted By: downdeepinside @ 02/08/2008 9:53:41 AM

    It is truly sad that America has shown it's bigoted side, once again. It took us over 150 years to accept African Americans as equal and where women can now lead large companies better than most men, but we still must face the fact that we, as a nation, have just shifted our bigotry now to religion. Huckabee was the worst at this. How hypocritical and sad. What does this say about our Country?

    • Posted By: Walking God's Earth @ 02/08/2008 11:01:44 AM

      I wouldn't worry about voting for someone who believes in the flying spaghetti monster if the values of that religion are such that that work with and not against the hopes and dreams I have for my children and grandchildren. It's not what Romney said about his religion that worried me, it was what he didn't say and what no one in the media asked him. Would you like to see a woman the the First Councillor of the LDS? How about having women Stake Presidents (the equivalent of a Christian Bishops). If the answer were "no" or even "one day" then he simply wouldn't have the same hopes and dreams I have for my daughter (which are the same as I have for my son). If the answer is yes then why aren't I hearing him voicing that especially when he WAS a Stake President and is therefore responsible in part for the policies of the LDS or speaking out against them. I would vote for a mormon, a catholic, or a a southern baptist who says they disagree with their churches views on the role of women but not someone who has/had authority and didn't use if to campaign for change. Anyone who has views about what someone can or can't do on the basis of what shape their bodies are does not share my values and is not fit to be my children's president. PS Love you Mike, but sorry can't vote for you either but your welcome to come round for dinner on Sunday after we get home from church - my husband wants to jam with you on his guitar and I would just love to hear the sound of your wife's voice just once!! Why doesn't the Media ever interview her?

      • Posted By: aad135 @ 02/08/2008 2:36:46 PM

        A posting like this is just a sbiogotted as relgion bigotry. Feminists are bigots. Romney's wife talked constantly about her beliefs and her role as a woman. Growing up, I was taught that a woman's place is whereever she wanted to be - this came from my Lutheran upbringing. But as I matured and became more wise, women just can't handle certain things and are not meant to be in positions of power and authority because they feel too much emotion. Hillary is cold-heated, yet she will not be able to lead this country as Commander-in-Chief, McCain completely frightens me in just about every position that he has (with the exception of Iraq & terrorism). I weep for our country with Romney gone, who I strongly believed was out best hope for a change in Wahington. In four years, I can't wait to see what these boards will be saying about President Barack Hussein Obama - God help the USA..!

  • Posted By: shmemo @ 02/08/2008 2:12:29 PM

    I just want to say one last thing...what awful thing has the LDS church done to you? It stands for everything good, true, and pure, and yet it is constantly attacked...why?! Why should I be afraid to tell my little boy that he can grow up to be anything he wants to, except for President because he is a Mormon? Doesn't anyone else see how awful this "Mormon bashing" is? It doesn't just hurt Mormons, but their children and the good that we stand for. We are Americans, we are just like you, doing our best day-to-day, poor and rich, raising our families and trying to give them the best life possible. We are people too, just because we believe differently, doesn't make us any less than yourselves. So the question is, are you a true American? Can you accept anyone no matter their beliefs, their race, their gender? I do not vote for someone because they are Catholic, Baptist, etc. so why should it be any different with a Mormon?

  • Posted By: shmemo @ 02/08/2008 1:24:59 PM

    Mainstream Voice, if the church was such a "secret society", why would they have thousands of missionaries out and about preaching what the believe in? If you want to know anything about the church, go visit either mormon.org or lds.org.

  • Posted By: akenaten @ 02/08/2008 1:18:22 PM

    mighty mouse is a troll. he posted that specifically to rile people up so he can giggle while they write dissertations against him. It is what trolls do.

  • Posted By: jwrandrtr @ 02/08/2008 12:50:23 PM

    Many people feel favorably toward the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and many do not. The terms Ms. Miller chooses to describe perceptions of Romney's faith ("unpopular", "oddballs or worse") show her own prejudice in this regard. People with this type of prejudice realize at some level that by attacking Romney's character they can also denigrate his faith by implication, and the chance to kill two birds with one stone is irresistible. A will to see the negative in his religion translates into a will to see negative traits in his character. People of this ilk took him to task from the beginning simple for being a politician who was trying to win.

    Romney went into this political battle with one hand tied behind his back, figuratively speaking, because of this kind of religious prejudice. He did remarkably well considering -- especially among conservatives. It was not difficult for those who were not prejudiced toward his religion to sense his "authenticity and higher purpose."

  • Posted By: mel_leilani @ 02/08/2008 12:41:26 PM

    Reading the article, I can see and understand some of the weaknesses in Mr. Romney's campaign. Looking at the last posted comment, however, brings me back to where I was before: religion is the issue impeding Mr. Romney's candidacy, sad as it is. If what Mighty Mouse says is so, if "true Americans can never accept Mormons into our society," then "true Americans" are no better than the worst of history's oppressive peoples. What's the point of the Constitution? What's the point of saying we have religious freedom if we really only accept one faith? If freedom of speech is used not to tell the truth but to accuse and demean the tenets an individual holds sacred? If that is the "true America", it's not my America. Cast me out, go ahead; I've got better things to do.

  • Posted By: BradTB @ 02/08/2008 12:40:47 PM

    Why is it acceptable to project any and every anti-Mormon whim, as Lisa so kindly does: "Mormons are still regarded as oddballs or worse in America; in some conservative Christian circles, Mormons are seen as heretics." We've thankfully moved beyond it being acceptable for the media to give anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic rants such publicity. Why is the mainstream media so comfortable propagating Mormon hatred, ridicule and invectives? I???ve lived in NJ/NY for 14 years and have never heard one negative comment from any neighbor or friend about my religion. If they think the things Lisa says they do about Mormons, they???ve never shown it to me. This article is mean spirited and bigoted. Mormons give billions to poor countries and those in need in this country, among many other good things. If you don???t like what we Mormons believe fine, but please stop using Mitt Romney as an excuse to ridicule us and call us oddballs or worse. Some of us have kids who we???d like to be able to grow up without such scorn.

  • Posted By: kimmily05 @ 02/08/2008 12:39:55 PM

    we really don't need a mormon president religion and politics just need to stay away from each other! Good for him that hes proud of his religion but honestly I could care less because the issues are what matter not religion. He's not real enough he was fake. I'm glad he's not running in the campaign anymore. People need to get over the fact that America doesn't want a mormon president =]

  • Posted By: Woman76 @ 02/08/2008 12:36:51 PM

    To the author:

    As one of your Mormon "oddball" readers I am again disappointed with the lack of respect and religious tolerance given to me and fellow believers. A strike at Romney's religion hits more than just him. I am personally relieved to see the end of his candidacy, it has been a long year with a plethora of hateful bigotry targeting my faith. It's especially painful in our politically-correct society that frowns on sexism, racism and homophobia, yet Mormon bashing is fair game. After twelve months of close observation, I believe on the national level the media led the charge and now you are hear to put the final nail in the coffin.

  • Posted By: dsmb2007 @ 02/08/2008 12:35:14 PM

    I am certain history will eventually show that Romney was the only candidate wth a core, a soul, and a sense of himself that transcends politics. All these talking heads, plus the rest of the candidates still in the race, are so entrenched in politics they can't tell the real thing when they see it. I do agree that it is unclear that his religion was his main obstacle. With Huckabee in the race, it gave the Bible Belt states a specific candidate to chose as an alternative to Romney. Without Huckabee in the race, I think we would have been able to measure the discrimination (or lack thereof) more. With him in the race, we can no more say that there was prejudice against Mormons as there was Mormon prejudice against evangelicals, unless Huckabee himself felt it necessary to stay in the race simply to stand between a Mormon and the White House, even with no chance himself of winning.

  • Posted By: miketheknife @ 02/08/2008 12:34:29 PM

    Mighty Mouse, that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard anyone say. Mormonism is a religion, not a country, you dolt. For your information, Mormons who live in this Counrty are Americans, just like you and me. Where the heck do you get off telling people what religion they must be in order to be accepted as americans. In case you haven't heard, there is no national religion in this Country. People are free to believe (or not believe) as they see fit. Your position is more in line with the Taliban who believe that their religion is the only "right" religion on earth. What's more, the Mormons don't have to acknowledge their positions or prove anything to anybody - anymore than you have to defend your faith and religion to others. By the way, I'm not a Mormon, but you certainly are a moron.

  • Posted By: BradTB @ 02/08/2008 12:33:45 PM

    Why is it acceptable to project any and every anti-Mormon whim, as Lisa so kindly does: "Mormons are still regarded as oddballs or worse in America; in some conservative Christian circles, Mormons are seen as heretics." We've thankfully moved beyond it being acceptable for the media to give anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic rants such publicity. Why is the mainstream media so comfortable propagating Mormon hatred, ridicule and invectives? I???ve lived in NJ/NY for 14 years and have never heard one negative comment from any neighbor or friend about my religion. If they think the things Lisa says they do about Mormons, they???ve never shown it to me. This article is mean spirited and bigoted. Mormons give billions to poor countries and those in need in this country, among many other good things. If you don???t like what we Mormons believe fine, but please stop using Mitt Romney as an excuse to ridicule us and call us oddballs or worse. Some of us have kids who we???d like to be able to grow up without such scorn.

  • Posted By: shmemo @ 02/08/2008 12:32:41 PM

    wow mighty mouse, you sound like people back in the day who discriminated against blacks, only now you are discriminating against mormons. I am quite sure many don't agree with you since senators Orrin Hatch and Harry Reid (both mormon) were elected. I am a Mormon and I am an American. America's founding fathers came here for religious freedom and I can say that it is anything BUT American, you who call yourself a "true American", to discrimiate against anyone because of their religion. Shame on you MightyMouse.

  • Posted By: steveintexas @ 02/08/2008 12:25:34 PM

    Mitt Romney's faith had nothing to do with the way I felt about him. After all, Orin Hatch and Harry Reid are Mormons. I had a visceral contempt of Mitt Romney on the basis that he was a shameless panderer. I have no problem with millionaires funding their own politcal campaigns. However, the more Mitt Romney commented on financing his own campaign along with his little jokes about spending his family's inheritance showed a real disconnect between himself and the average American. Mitt Romney was a CEO when CEO's were making obscene amounts of money while their companies were struggling.

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