The Passion of ‘Anonymous’

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  • Posted By: JoeKey61 @ 02/09/2008 2:02:54 AM

    I did not know what I wrote was being printed since this lettering is so pale.Here is a full reply:Anonymous can expect a lawsuit once the top officials there find out more about this persons exact name and whereabouts.Like most articles regarding Scientology it is incomplete.Whether Tom Cruise belongs to the "heirarchy" or just the PR department is irrelevant.This tax free status business is why its so powerful and decieving.Theyve sucked their members into giving up their life savings and everything they own.They belong to the same dirty tricks network as other cults.Those who are interested in how it works should read "The Scandal of Scientology" by Paulette Cooper.You will see it is not some whacko bigot attack...like those who would criticize other religions.Its free online.Its hard to see how this qualifies as a religion anyway.The best thing to do is omit the religions tax-free status,or perhaps simplify the entire tax system.

  • Posted By: gibber @ 02/08/2008 11:08:00 PM

    Pretty bland treatment you give these anonymous goons, Brian. Like you think it's cute or "more likely to annoy than destroy." Is that how you describe sending white powder to Scientology churches this week? And how would you describe it if they were coming after Jews or Muslims? I can just see you starting off an article with "These are unfriendly times to be a Scientologist" and see how long you'd keep your job.

    • Posted By: teh-lmnop @ 02/09/2008 12:14:52 AM

      The FBI concluded that the powder was a hoax. It turned out to be wheat germ and cornstarch. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the CoS sent the powder to themselves. They did something very similar to author Paulette Cooper when she dared to criticise the CoS. Google Operation Freakout- they tried to frame her for a bomb plot....against the CoS.

      • Posted By: Peggo @ 02/09/2008 2:02:52 AM

        Typical. Dismiss it. Use it to further bash the Scientologists. You who are such an "expert" on Scientology somehow "failed" to find out that everyone involved in those actions that happened more than 30 years ago were kicked off staff in a purge that the church conducted itself? But no. You don't need to find out about that. It could mess up your stupid preconceived notions and make you start to think.

    • Posted By: kiyiyi @ 02/08/2008 11:55:12 PM

      Scientology is not a religion. It is a bunch of crazy nonsense (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu). But that's OK. You can believe whatever you want. The problem is that they are a dangerous criminal racket that do not deserve the special treatment they presently receive.

  • Posted By: franconshteeeen @ 02/09/2008 2:02:37 AM

    How does your organization survive? Your organization is just like any business. Things to sell things to buy. You thrive on the promises you make to your flock just like any other religion. All religions are not wrong; is that your justification?

  • Posted By: windyhillmeadow @ 02/08/2008 11:16:04 PM

    It seems to me that we who beleive that scientology truley is a threat to the lives of the young and vulnerable in our country are doing the right thing. We are educating our friends and loved ones to the danger. Now how do we take it to the next step and try to save those who have been mind-washed and deprived of their freedom? I beleive in the freedom of religion, but relegion does not have the right to take away our freedoms as another reader has said. I DO beleive that if our government is too impotent to step in and stop this mad cult from kidnapping and mind-washing our children then it is up to we the people to stand against them. I have my pitchfork and torch ready.

    • Posted By: Huffenpuff @ 02/08/2008 11:50:31 PM

      - See what I mean? Hysteria rules. We are 5 minutes to midnight, get ready for the pogrom ....

      • Posted By: teh-lmnop @ 02/09/2008 12:11:36 AM

        Using an emotionally and politically-loaded word like "pogrom" to describe a peaceful protest group is ridiculous. Anonymous seeks to raise awareness of the CoS' management's misdeeds, not start a paramilitary group (example: Sea Org)..

        • Posted By: Peggo @ 02/09/2008 1:59:57 AM

          teh-lmnop, How can you be so blind. You really don't see it? You really think that it's totally fine for these thugs to be going after Scientologists and proclaiming that they are going to shut down their religion?

  • Posted By: jdark13 @ 02/09/2008 1:59:01 AM

    Holy Bible: Free
    Torah: Free
    Holy Quran: Free
    Hindu: Free
    Scientology Courses: Cha-Cha-Cha-CHING!*
    *(aside from maybe the first teaser book, Dianetics which may or may not be free)

    No Job? No Problem
    No Credit? No Problem
    No Cash? PROBLEM!!!
    Of course, you could always join up to help in exchange for the costs...how do you feel about being a sailor?


    Your Salvation should be FREE!

    If you want to give your money away...give it to the poor.
    The big/old/original religions have one thing in common: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    If you have salvation/good news/redemption/gospel/help/advise/guidance: Offer it for free, do not seek profit from it. Whatever religion we follow, one thing is clear: We are all cut from the same cloth, made from the same clay, spawned from the same ape, willed by the same creator, regardless our beliefs, WE ARE ALL HUMAN. Let's freaking act like it. There is no need to CLEAR the planet, force our beliefs down each others throats, or trick them into signing on. There is NEVER an excuse to prey upon each other by using ones thoughts and fears agaist them in the quest for profit.

    If Scientology can help: GIVE it to everyone!

    GIVE, not sell

  • Posted By: neworlenzladi @ 02/09/2008 1:54:30 AM

    People! Puhhh-leeeze! The matter-of-proven-fact, bottom line in all this scientology crap is this:
    1. A large part of Scientology's (COS) premise, day to day existance, if you will, is encouraging members to clear their minds of negativity, negative experiences etc, which is true, I believe we all benefit from letting go of negatives in our lives. So they set up these meetings (confessionals) where you bear your soul to someone of "authority" to help clear your mind. Also a good thing. The problem is, in order to have these sessions, members must pay. Not only that, but the entire organization is set up as a hierarchy, wherein it instigates the desire to "move up", but you can only do this through....al together now...MONEY. That alone, I don't care what any of you crack-pots say, that is NOT religion, if it were, then Amway would have a Cathedral of worship every 20 square miles.

    2. In most religions, there is an "evil", be it the devil, etc. In scientology, it's whoever isn't a member. Not only that, but non-members who criticize their organization are crucified with frivilous financially ruining lawsuits, and many other horrific means to shut them up. It's very preachings are rooted in vindictiveness.

    3. The entire organization is founded on the words of a known drug addict and man of -at minimum- questionable morals. A man so lacking in talent at his own profession, considered to be the most published author ever, and only one of those books reached a mass audience....that doesn't tell me quality or intelligence, that just says quantity. And quantity is about the only thing he can be attributed with. That's not a leader, and if that's your source of worship, then I'm glad you weren't in Germany back in the 40's.

    The whole thing wreaks! And what's worse, is they prey on the weak, people longing for something more in their life.

    But to each their own...if that's what suits you that's fine, have at it. But DON'T call scientology a religious organization, it's not.

    And while I cannot condone anything illegal this "Anonymous" organization has done or intends to do, I look at the whole picture and what these sci folks have done, and wonder....if even our own government won't do anything about these mental canibals, then maybe it's time someone else stepped up to the plate and did something about these folks.

    And believe me, all you sci folks condemning your critics here, there's a helluva lot more of us, than there are of you.

    It's called logic.

  • Posted By: franconshteeeen @ 02/09/2008 1:51:16 AM

    The ability to not explain oneself without the excuse of language barrier is the true definition of deceipt.

  • Posted By: JoeKey61 @ 02/09/2008 1:50:25 AM

    From what Ive heard about Sceintology ,

  • Posted By: Joybuzzard @ 02/09/2008 1:22:52 AM

    Denial of service attacks, phone campaigns etc. can't be considered wrong when used against an organization that has run smear campaigns and malicious lawsuits, spied on people, broke into government offices, etc.

    • Posted By: Peggo @ 02/09/2008 1:31:01 AM

      See, that's the whole point. You have bought propaganda that allows you to set aside what you would ordinarily consider to be completely unacceptable behavior. That is the exact tactic of this smear campaign. All any Scientologist is trying to get across is that you have to really look and find out for yourself what's going on. And it is NOT what you have been led to believe.

      • Posted By: teh-lmnop @ 02/09/2008 1:47:56 AM

        I don't condone any illegal action against CoS or anyone else. I have not, would not, and will not participate in illegal actions. There are plenty of peaceful, legal ways to raise peoples' awareness of the Church of Scientology. The vast majority of Anonymous, I believe, feels the same way.

  • Posted By: NoUserName @ 02/08/2008 11:59:08 PM

    ""I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it""

    I understand this is a hotbutton issue, but I think that even if you disagree with Anonymous, they have a right to express their views. The CoS has been trying to say it promotes free speech, but a lot of these comments seem like they want to silence these Anonymous people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't' mean you get to take away their right to say it or their right to peaceably assemble.

    Besides, I really don't think these peace protests will limit the freedoms of anyone, including Scientologists, to practice or believe in whatever they want to. Until Anonymous does something that prevents people from believing what they want or restricts their right to believe, it's not a consitutional issue. Plus, how many hot topic issues get protested every day? Abortion, the war.... You don't have to agree, but you don't have a right to stop them from saying it.

    Every religion in the world has people who criticize it and protest their practices. Why is this such a big deal? Who cares if people disagree with Scientology.

    • Posted By: texmcgraw @ 02/09/2008 12:10:14 AM

      When Anonymous sent 23 envelopes containing a mysterious white powder to 23 Church of Scientology locations in California last week - prompting building closures and evacuations while Homeland Security sorted it out, they moved from cyber-terrorism to actual terrorism. And when they used DDOS attacks to silence the Church websites, they lost any claim to a moral high ground. These creeps are just that, creeps.

      • Posted By: teh-lmnop @ 02/09/2008 12:41:17 AM

        Keep up, Tex. The FBI found that the powder was a hoax- "false flag attack" anyone?- and that there was no link found to anyone involved in Anonymous.
        The Anonymous Code of coduct forbids illegal acts against the CoS anyway (google it).

        So...you fail at trying to make concerned citizens look like "terrorists". Feel free to try again.

        • Posted By: Peggo @ 02/09/2008 1:45:37 AM

          That it turned out to be a hoax doesn't exonerate the perpetrator. It is the worst kind of irresponsible harassment and not funny at all, and it is the inciting to hatred that Anonymous is creating that is responsible for it. You can't just brush that under the rug.

      • Posted By: LordXenu @ 02/09/2008 12:28:41 AM

        anyone could have sent those. and anyone did. do you understand yet that "anonymous" is not doing anything? the original group of internet dorks that "started it" were playing harmless pranks for laughs, and then a rag-tag army of random internet users began taking it to another level. it is completely non-centralized and scattered. You're looking to fight an enemy that isn't even there.

  • Posted By: franconshteeeen @ 02/09/2008 1:45:33 AM

    Yes anyone can be a nut.

  • Posted By: jojoc10 @ 02/09/2008 1:43:59 AM

    Like the evangelists, it appears to be more about profiteering than anything else. How sad.

  • Posted By: Peggo @ 02/09/2008 1:25:22 AM

    teh-lmnop That's good that you agree suicide bombers are terrible. But it's a pity you have bought all the nonsense about Scientology.

    • Posted By: teh-lmnop @ 02/09/2008 1:43:21 AM

      Thanks, Peggo. :)
      But I haven't "bought" anything. I've done a lot of research. Seeing as how all of the levels on the Bridge are easily available for free on the internet.
      Just to be clear, though- my position is not against anyone's faith, but against institutions that misuse the faith of their followers. I'd say that both extremist Islam and Scientology fall into that category, judging from the legal documents I've read.

  • Posted By: NoUserName @ 02/09/2008 1:40:46 AM

    I don't see bigotry, I see disagreement. You wouldn't call a Catholic who thought Scientology was false a bigot because they believe something different, right? You wouldn't call a Mormon who thought Protestants were wrong a bigot, right? Everyone has the right to say and believe what they like, even if it's offensive to other people.

    That being said, I was hoping Peggo or Warbler could actually answer some of my questions. Someone said that getting access to some of Scientology's teachings cost over $300K. Is it true? If it is, how are people supposed to learn about the religion or understand yourpoint of view without being allowed access to the books?

  • Posted By: signed_anonymous. @ 02/09/2008 1:40:13 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQraAXyKxY

  • Posted By: signed_anonymous. @ 02/09/2008 1:39:24 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQraAXyKxY

  • Posted By: Twohawks1 @ 02/09/2008 1:38:11 AM

    For any one that has spoken to former members, or for that matter know any current members. The negitive side is 3 steps short of the ( Hevens Gates group ) just on a much larger scale. How this ever became a religious group with tax exempt status is beyond understanding. But there are still people that beleive the earth is flat. We live in a world that has many differant religion's, from Christianity and the.. ( Many spinter
    forms ) The Muslim Faith with the 2 differant groups Sunni and Shi'a , Judaism, Butthism, Hinduism and so on. Maybe in 1000 years one of the folk's from Scientology will start killing everyone that is not a true Scientologist .... or maybe that the seat of power was passed on to some unknown brother instead of his whatever you name it. We live in a country where you can speak you own mind and pray to what ever or whom ever you wish. If you think Jesus .... or Allah .... or the God of Abraham is the only true God ...and anyone that is not a beleiver that their soul is dammed... If your god will judge them ( WHY SOULD YOU ) That is the job of god in all the listed religious groups . In Christianity it is said that Jesus himself said ...may the one with out sin cast the first stone.

  • Posted By: NoUserName @ 02/09/2008 1:05:57 AM

    Why are people disagreeing with a religious organization or protesting bad? People disagree and criticize religious organizations all the time, I don't think this is any different. If you want to believe in Scientology, Peggo, you have every right. I don't understand why you're so upset that other people don't believe in it.

    • Posted By: Peggo @ 02/09/2008 1:33:32 AM

      That has nothing to do with it. Of course people are entitled to their own religious beliefs. But that includes Scientologists. And frankly I've had it with all the bigotry I've read in this comment section. I would hope you would be too.

  • Posted By: Warbler @ 02/09/2008 12:51:27 AM

    EVIL always "outs" itself! All of these sickening "jealous" people who want to destroy Tom Cruise because he wants a better world!! With happy people, fed people, safe people! He wants everyone else to be happy and you sickos can't stand that because you wallow in your own misery and unhappines and get the worst kind of "cheap" thrills from it. Thank God I have eyes to see the truth in the sicko comments that people are writing because their jealousy and unhappiness is palpable! Your all "sick" with anger and Jealousy of his happiness and JOY in life and so you and all the "others" want to "TAKE" it from him by any means necessary. Like writing a trashy book and gossiping about his joy and happiness?????? YOUR THE SICKOS. GET YOUR OWN LIFE! No wonder they're anonymous and miserable and jealous and bitter and.............

    • Posted By: An0nymous @ 02/09/2008 1:33:00 AM

      Warbler, Warbler, Warbler. You seem confused. KNOWLEDGE always "out" itself. INFORMATION always "outs" itself. And THAT will be the Church of $cientology's demise. You don't know anything about Anonymous, and your comments are only the more ironic for it. ",,,eyes to see the truth..." Do you really think anybody believes what you're saying? The internet is already lost to Scientology.

      Regardless, I urge you - I urge everyone: do your research. Inform yourself. Knowledge is power. Information is freedom. Anonymous fights for this freedom.

      We are anonymous.
      We are legion.
      We do not forgive.
      We do not forget.

      Expect us.

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