CAMPAIGN 2008

Mormons and Mitt Romney

In wooing evangelicals, he made some fellow LDS members uneasy.

« Return to Article

Discuss

Member Comments

  • Posted By: The_epoch_point @ 05/20/2008 10:43:17 PM

    It's about time everyone takes another look at Abraham Lincoln and all the other anti-communists like Ronald Reagan and Joseph R. McCarthy. After all it was a Marxist Lee Harvey Oswald and a communist Sirhan Sirhan who knocked off the Kennedy Brothers. Now check out this awesome book I just read at Amazon.com!

    The Epoch Point by Spencer Zimmerman is a religious historical conspiracy thriller that follows evil throughout the existence of mankind, revealing the constant conflict between God and the devil, good and evil. Robert Davis is a young Airman fresh out of Air Force basic training who, after being held captive in China, suddenly finds himself unraveling the most immense conspiracy in history. On duty during the 9/11 terrorist attacks, he soon uncovers hidden facts suggesting Russian and Iraqi involvement. While exploring abandoned military barracks at Kessler AFB in Mississippi, Davis and his friends discover the diary of Lee Harvey Oswald. Suddenly the Airmen find themselves the target of mysterious agents. As the clues surface, an evil emerges powerful enough to rewrite the entire history of humanity, not to mention kill two of his good friends. Before long the conspiracy takes on a supernatural form, marked by lightning, tornadoes, hurricanes, and volcanoes, the wrath of God. Davis finds himself torn by the unbelievable realization that God has a message for him. Nothing could prepare him for the final suspenseful twist the story takes, a Da Vinci style revelation that reaffirms his belief in Christ.

    here's the link:

    http://www.amazon.com/Epoch-Point-Spencer-Zimmerman/dp/1934248932/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210731193&sr=1-1

  • Posted By: Jedi59 @ 05/07/2008 2:54:39 PM

    Yes, this article is a joke.
    I have a bible in Spanish and, several in English including a King James Version or two. So what? Personally, as long as he is reading the Bible, that is what matters.
    And, any man who is a good husband to his wife knows what it requires. I can certainly understand a guy not
    coveting the responsibility of loving and caring for a second wife and family. Besides, when would he ever get to watch a football game without interruption? :-)

  • Posted By: sariianaz @ 05/01/2008 10:55:58 PM

    hey i totally agree with bambi ,
    people just take what the media gives them as information , i think if you really wanna know the truth about the mormon church then , go try it out , you dont have to convert however your just fooling yourelf if you believe all the press and media ....... i urge you to go one sunday to church and see what we ( mormons) really do !!!

  • Posted By: sariianaz @ 05/01/2008 10:55:50 PM

    hey i totally agree with bambi ,
    people just take what the media gives them as information , i think if you really wanna know the truth about the mormon church then , go try it out , you dont have to convert however your just fooling yourelf if you believe all the press and media ....... i urge you to go one sunday to church and see what we ( mormons) really do !!!

  • Posted By: Bambi82 @ 04/10/2008 3:18:00 PM

    I have no idea where people come up with their information about "mormons" (which by the way is actually a derogatory and offense name penned by the people who were murdering members of the LDS faith in the 1800's). I am a member of the LDS faith and I was not offended by what Romney said. Our church has not practiced polygamy in over 100 years and those that do are excommunicated. I'm glad our church did away with the practice because just look at the FLDS church. Also, its disturbing how much twisted information people "hear" about our beliefs. This story was a waste of space.

    • Posted By: Billybadass @ 04/14/2008 10:58:58 PM

      so are you, dirty mormon

  • Posted By: sariianaz @ 03/18/2008 10:24:05 PM

    I am a mormon and from time to time i see other people dissing my religion, but it never made me waver , mormonism stopped polygamy a while back and dont practice anymore , and whoever does do it now, is immediately ex-communicated .I think people have every right to say what they want but just remember not to make it un- christianable , un-charitable and certainly not christlike.

  • Posted By: porpitude @ 02/09/2008 11:19:18 PM

    I am astounded at the amount of intolerance shown in this election. Interestingly enough, of the African-American candidate, the woman candidate, and the Mormon candidate, the one that seems to be getting the most contempt and mistreatment is the Mormon. America was settled by those escaping religious persecution and the United States was founded on the principles of freedom, justice, and equality, yet here we are nearly 400 years later and the we are still plagued with the same religious hatred that drove the Puritans from England. This is the same hatred that is the driving force behind the radical Jihadists, isn't this the kind of intolerance that we profess to be the enemy of freedom?

    • Posted By: Aziline @ 02/26/2008 5:12:17 PM

      To say women, african-americans and mormons are the same type of groups is very funny. Is there a special rule book for women and african-americans? I never got my copy.

  • Posted By: happydad333 @ 02/22/2008 3:15:43 PM

    I grew up LDS(Mormon)....And althought I am not active EVERYONE I grew up with thought it was discusting. They are not proud of that(more ashamed) and in fact the two times in my life that I saw a Poligamist, I and every one around me had were in total shock.

  • Posted By: BobSupplies @ 02/21/2008 3:55:44 PM

    I'm not Morman. In fact I was raised to believe Morman was a cult.... but I have to say, of all the religious peoples I've ever met, Mormans are the greatest. They believe in Gods' creation; society.

    In the beginning I was tossed between Romney and Huckabee, but when I learned that Romney was a Morman, it put him over the top... here's a candidate for running this country (and the world) that was raised to believe in the community as a whole. The only good is the good of the majority... what defines the true America more... of the people by the people for the people, not the individual, or the lobbyist or the group, but everyone!!!

    As far as poligamy... God said "reproduce and multiply"... a female can only conceive 10 days out of each month... how many wives should a man have if he's going to efficiently answer God's calling?

    Of course, Women becoming what they've become, most of us can't handle one, let alone three... unless they're Morman

  • Posted By: Tivoli @ 02/17/2008 7:56:08 PM

    Was Romney wooing Evangelicals? How did I miss that? All of heard from Romney and his supporters is anti-Evangelical bigotry.

  • Posted By: dukeitout @ 02/15/2008 12:33:37 PM

    As a non-practicing Presbyterian (the world's only true religion) I feel that Mr. Romney could have made a fine president if he hadn't tried to re-make himself. He had s superior background as a businessman. He operated successfully as governor of Massachusetts (a well known communistic community.)
    He had just a superior background that displayed real leadership. Then he tried to tweek things way too much. An emphatic appeal to the evangelicals (we're right and you're going to hell) really rang hollow. Too bad Mitt. You could have made a fine president.

  • Posted By: Lucy Wilson @ 02/14/2008 11:18:05 PM

    Romney is all fluff. He says whatever he needs to say at the moment to appear authentic. He is a traitor to the conservative cause.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 02/13/2008 7:48:52 AM

    NICK ROMNEY's DEFEAT WAS TREMENDOUS

    I noticed you criticized EZRA TAFT Benson for supporting the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY. BUT you never criticized him. Benson doctrine is what the MAJORITY of Mormons live by. I would like to see you go to your church and criticize Benson. As mentioned I back my statements up with facts.

    There are many reasons Mormons will not come forth even though they know of the corruption in the Mormon church. One is due to their belief in Mormon scripture which they associate with the Mormon church. The leadership has usurped power and authority over this scripture. Thus, the members of the Mormon church think that God expects them to support their misguided leaders. This is much the - rationalization that many Americans make about our government. They all know of the corruption, but rationalize that it is unpatriotic to talk against the government or ungrateful to complain when they enjoy superficial prosperity.

    THE LINK BETWEEN BUSH FAMILY AND ROMNEY IS EZRA TAFT BENSON. CO FOUNDER OF THE RUSSEL TRUST aka. SKULLS N BONES SOCIETY.

  • Posted By: coltakashi @ 02/12/2008 12:20:22 PM

    The problem with this article is that it takes Romney to task for statements as they were reported by the press, and does not allow Romney to either verify what he said or explain what he meant. When most reporters are not religious and have little familiarity with the Bible, their perceptions of what was said or even the context can be out of kilter. Even statements by the late LDS Church president Gordon B. Hinckley in interviews with Mike Wallace and Tom Brokaw were taken out fo context and misunderstood. The key for Mormons commenting on things allegedly said by Romney is that we should not be nitpicking the mote in his eye when we have beams in our own eyes.

    As a broad matter, Romney was clearly trying to make friends among Evangelicals by emphasizing common points of belief, such as his faith in Christ as Savior. Of course, given the fact that groups like the Southern Baptist Convention have been poisoning the well against Mormons for decades, so that nothing a Mormon says will be accepted at face value, it was a lost cause in dealing with many Evangelicals. They have been taught a knee jerk reaction against anything religious said by a Mormon, even when it is "Jesus Christ is the Savior." For the same reason, hearing Romney say he wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade was greeted with skepticism rather than joy over his repentance, rather the unforgiving attitude of the older son in the parable of the Prodigal Son. Evangelicals also seem to take the attitude of the lawyers who wanted to justify restricting their love of neighbor, to whom Jesus addressed his parable of the Good Samaritan, a heretic who observed God's great commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself far better than the priest or Levite.

    The general view of Romney was that he was "artificial" in some sense. I might suggest that next time he goes out to the public soliciting votes, he should be explicit about the Mormon doctrines that relate to government and freedom, and make a point of stating that, as a Mormon, he is told by God to be a good American, to support lawful government and freedom of conscience for all, and that Americans have a duty to God to live righteously in gratitude for the blessed land of liberty God has afforded us. Those are not points of contact with Protestantism, but with Americanism.

  • Posted By: ljpitcher @ 02/12/2008 12:04:06 PM

    Those Mormons or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as they preferred to be called, that you have quoted missed the point that many Evangelical voters seemed to have missed as well.

    That point is that in public discourse there needs to be a clear separation between the values that candidates bring to office and the theological arguments that lead to those values. Romney made this case in his "Faith in America" speech, which was well received by those who heard it.

    He Said, "It is important to recognize that while differences in theology exist between the churches in America, we share a common creed of moral convictions. And where the affairs of our nation are concerned, it's usually a sound rule to focus on the latter - on the great moral principles that urge us all on a common course. Whether it was the cause of abolition, or civil rights, or the right to life itself, no movement of conscience can succeed in America that cannot speak to the convictions of religious people. "

    As other posts have pointed out how much disapproval did the Latter-day Saints have for Romney when he collected a much as 90% of the vote in Utah? (By the way Utah is 62.4 percent Mormon, with 2/3rds of that population being active members of the faith as of 2006. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2886596)

    Personally I have no problem with Romney reaching across the religious divide to evangelicals to further the common values and goals we have, and I believe that the data bears out that you would find many more of my faith that would say the same. While there are steep doctrinal differences Evangelicals and Mormons share many of the same values. The real story is how religion has been played by the media and certain candidates in a divisive nature. In so doing they have cut down our ability to fight for the values that people of many faiths hold in common, dividing us on theology when we should have been a united front in strengthening this great nation.

  • Posted By: tsridington @ 02/11/2008 11:37:39 PM

    Yes, Mormons hate Romney so much that he won 90% of the votes in the Utah Republican primary. Get real.

    In my opinion, the following is a more accurate representation of what Mormons are thinking at this point:

    http://beehivestandardweekly.com/articles/182/1/Obama-Could-Take-the-West-with-the-Help-of-Mormon-Vote

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 02/08/2008 10:55:20 PM

    MITTS MISSION IS OVER. HE was the REINCARNATION OF BUSH but with NO comPasiion. HE WOULD HAVE LEFT MILLIONS WITHOUT HEALTH CARE and his immigration Plan scared half the AMERICAN PoPulation.

    I HAD A TOUGH TIME FIGURING OUT WHO WAS THE BIGGEST CLOWN ROMNEY OR RUDY. HAND DOWN RUDY. HOWEVER ROMNEY COMES IN A CLOSE SECOND. THIS GUY FLIP FLOPPED ON EVERY MAJOR ISSUE. HE IS A NUT. HE NEVER LIVED IN THE REAL WORLD. HE has no idea what many AMERICANS GO THROUGH. HIS AGENDA WAS TO FEED THE BUSH BACKER's GREED.

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 02/11/2008 5:46:48 PM

      and exactly where in the constitution does it say that the government should provide health care? What happened to personal responsibility? When America was founded, people were allowed to succeed or fail based on what they did, not on what bleeding heart liberals decided what was best. Why does our country insist on becoming slaves to our government? I can't comprehend this. We fought for freedom and now are so quick to give it away.....

  • Posted By: Missouri @ 02/09/2008 2:33:25 AM

    This is such a problem for the REP party. I live almost smack dab in the middle of USA. Romney could not win as a MORMON and Huckabee will not win because he is a BAPTIST. I am probably considered an Independant to most people in the USA but to my county and state, I am probably an outcast because I am a REP.My mom came from a family of 11 children, she was the only REP in her own family. My dad had 2 siblings and all 3 were DEM'S. Can you even imagine what my mom went through just declaring that she was a REP? I can't even imagine it soooo unless you are 80 years old---and went on with your life as she did AND HAS you can not imagine what she went through. IT IS TIME for the GOP to unite togather and be as one. I can't believe how BUSH has been slammed time after time after time,YET he carries on. Soooo to all of you REP's that think you are better than the 2 that are left in the running----GET A GRIP.Stand behind McCAIN OR HUCKABEE and lets get the ball rolling.IF we continue to fight against each other-----we will get a CLINTON or OBAMA in the white house. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?

    • Posted By: porpitude @ 02/10/2008 8:53:38 PM

      Yes, that is what I want. I want Obama because he is the only candidate who talks of unity between parties. He talks about compromise, understanding, and healing. I'm sick of the "Red" and "Blue" states. I want to be a part of the UNITED States.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 02/11/2008 5:37:42 PM

        his unity is... hey lets be under the UN rule (same as Hillary). Yes, leets vote our freedoms away, lets garnish wages for the wants of the government, etc...etc.... You may be sick of Red and Blue states, but if this liberal thinking continues we may find ourselves as the "United States of the UN"

  • Posted By: GustoMaybe @ 02/09/2008 2:28:56 PM

    I for one am GLAD he dropped out of the race.
    I'm a Catholic, and resented the comparisons made between Mormons and actual real Christians, not cultists who are trying to redefine Christianity to fit their new religion. Many mormons are nice people, and their behavior could be construed as being "christian" but their theological beliefs set them FAR apart from Christianity. Bottom line, Mormons don't believe in the same beleifs that protetants and Catholics believe. They don't believe in the holy trinity, they don't believe int he communion of the aints, they don't believe in a lot of things that Christians, protestant and catholic alike believe.

    On top of this, I think that the GOP is hypocritial, they are against Muislim theocracies, but yet, the mormons have pretty much dominated SLC and Utah to the point that it's about as close to a theocracy as you can get in the US.
    I voted AGAINST romney, and will continue to vote against Mormons from here until I can't vote again.

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 02/11/2008 5:28:28 PM

      Real christians? Not to bash or anything, but the Catholic church was started by Constantine.... someone who persecuted abd killed followers of Christ. Then when he realized that there were money to be made, viola... the church was born. Hmmmm.... sounds like a cult to me

    • Posted By: aad135 @ 02/11/2008 1:39:03 PM

      This comment is so ego-centric that it is laughable. Where did you get the tenant for your beliefs..? They came from a body in the 14th century who had to vote on them after appeasing and pandering to one point of view or another (not too unlike American politics today). What gives you the right to say whether or not my belies are Christian or not; just because I don't believe in the "traditional" albeit way off tenants of your beliefs? I would stake my church membership that a large majority of Christian have no idea where and how their different denominations originated, and if they did, they would see that they wold handsomly fit into the same "cult" grouping that they have placed Mormons. "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up..!" Talk about hypocritical..! I resent the comparisons as well between Mormons and actual, real Christians, because if that's what it means to be a Christian (by your definition), count me out..!

    • Posted By: J Scott @ 02/09/2008 9:05:59 PM

      Salt Lake City is about 30% Mormon, Utah about 65%. Compare that to the southern states and the Baptists. Not much difference, I would suppose.

    • Posted By: J Scott @ 02/09/2008 9:04:08 PM

      Salt Lake City is about 30% Mormon. Utah, about 65%. In comparison, what percentage of the South is Baptist, Illinois Methodist, etc.

    • Posted By: porpitude @ 02/09/2008 6:15:56 PM

      Not voting for someone based on religious beliefs is as bigoted and ignorant as voting for someone just because of their religion. It saddens me that so many people vote out of bias, fear, hatred, and intolerance rather than basing their vote on a candidates integrity, stance on the issues, trustworthiness, and dependability. Religious bigotry is on par with racism, sexism, and all other forms of intolerance.

    • Posted By: nyborn @ 02/09/2008 3:43:53 PM

      Yes heaven forbid we "Mormons" should have different believes, I mean that totally would have made Mitt a totally unfit President. LOLOLOL You people are amazing. By thier fruits ye shall know them. (Matt. 7:20) So a man who has been married to one woman his whole life and faithful to her. Has 5 boys that are productive members of society. Plus has had personal success in the economy. I definitely can't vote for someone that well rounded. By the way if this is a theocracy like you claim why does the church explain every year they have nothing to do with politics besides when it's moral issues. Can you explain why Harry Ried could be a democrat and Mitt a GOPer? Oh, by the way we have 60% of the population in Utah but we've had democrats as mayors of Salt Lake City the last two elections? Everyone has thier own idea of the correct religion for them, you keep believing that biased idea against us all because thats the fruits of a real christian there.

  • Posted By: blurmon @ 02/10/2008 1:19:08 AM

    Only those whose ignorance and arrogance steer their lives would demand that their personal brand of intolerance be applied to others. Thus displaying their own intolerance of others based on their own total ignorance and arrogance. In no uncertain terms, this means you porpitude.

    • Posted By: porpitude @ 02/10/2008 1:45:20 AM

      I don't even know how to go about replying to a statement so convoluted that it borders on gibberish.

      • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 02/11/2008 5:22:39 PM

        Blurman is simply stating that he believes he should be able to be a bigot without being told that he is a bigot. Seems that he is living in his own little world where so long as it isn't himself being targeted, bigotry is ok

    • Posted By: J Scott @ 02/10/2008 10:20:51 AM

      What?

Reply

Report Abuse

Enter comments if any for reporting abuse