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  • Posted By: selimkalan @ 02/12/2008 12:33:24 AM

    l can't understand. it is very is in Turkey become racist. For example, ??f you are support rights of Turkey. You are very good racist. it is very easy. EU has double standart against to Turkey. They want to us that we must accepted a lot of laws which some of not suitable EU laws. and they don't want this laws other candidate of members. Erdogan is opportunist. He known that ??f he note take support from EU and USA. He can not survive. And he against to Turkish state establishde laws and morals. For example in the USA every citizens are american ancestry is not important. Turkish state main laws also same. Every Turkish citizens accepted Turk(nation name). But Erdogan want to give each etnic groups group identity and minority right. Most of religion, language, culture everytihng is same only etnic origin is different. Who is racist Erdogan or patriot. in French do you heard that group identity except French identity.

  • Posted By: Oblomov @ 02/11/2008 3:53:10 PM

    And I can not understand how racist-seculars and the minority of Kemalist elite can trust these whimsicalness against Erdogan and his policy. We have a very impressive proverb on this issue. Our ancestors said that - The buyer of the rotten beans is the blind man - . Everybody knows this proverb too - Give a dog bad name and hang him. They are triying to do so. But they must be sure that they dont believe their perform too. ??ts not a secret agenda to turn Turkey into ??slamic administration, its agressivity to loosing their power on public. I have to thanks miilion times to Mr. Erdogan for his diligence. Because my country's path was narrow but no more.

    • Posted By: selimkalan @ 02/12/2008 12:32:59 AM

      l can't understand. it is very is in Turkey become racist. For example, ??f you are support rights of Turkey. You are very good racist. it is very easy. EU has double standart against to Turkey. They want to us that we must accepted a lot of laws which some of not suitable EU laws. and they don't want this laws other candidate of members. Erdogan is opportunist. He known that ??f he note take support from EU and USA. He can not survive. And he against to Turkish state establishde laws and morals. For example in the USA every citizens are american ancestry is not important. Turkish state main laws also same. Every Turkish citizens accepted Turk(nation name). But Erdogan want to give each etnic groups group identity and minority right. Most of religion, language, culture everytihng is same only etnic origin is different. Who is racist Erdogan or patriot. in French do you heard that group identity except French identity.

  • Posted By: Oblomov @ 02/11/2008 3:49:50 PM

    And I can not understand how racist-seculars and the minority of Kemalist elite can trust these whimsicalness against Erdogan and his policy. We have a very impressive proverb on this issue. Our ancestors said that - The buyer of the rotten beans is the blind man - . Everybody knows this proverb too - Give a dog bad name and hang him. They are triying to do so. But they must be sure that they dont believe their perform too. ??ts not a secret agenda to turn Turkey into ??slamic administration, its agressivity to loosing their power on public. I have to thanks miilion times to Mr. Erdogan for his diligence. Because my country's path was narrow but no more.

  • Posted By: MelD @ 02/11/2008 9:45:05 AM

    I cannot understand how Europeans and USA can trust someone like Erdogan and his party? They are Islamists and not democrats!!!! You already write by yourself what he said for democracy. ...he compared democracy to a streetcar: "When you come to your stop, you get off." Is this again a new experiment like supporting Afgans against Russions or Saddam against Iran? The most turkish people are no more bleaving all this. They know very well why EU and USA supporting Islamists...
    Calling people like me or our military ultraconservative just because we are trying to protect our secular system (seperation of religion and state) is not only unfair but the aim is also very clear.

  • Posted By: fizikci @ 02/10/2008 7:38:47 PM

    Let me translate the last comment. After apologizing because he would write in Turkish, he asks "to us, you western people are always modern, developed but why don't you want to read the things behind the current government's mind?" I think he is somehow able to read behind the minds. To him the AKP government wants to turn Turkey to Iran. They don't want democracy, all they want is to be like Iran, etc..

  • Posted By: web12 @ 02/10/2008 5:03:40 PM

    özür dilerim size tükçe yazaca????m bize göre siz bat??l??lar her zaman ça??da??, uygar,geli??mi?? bir devletler toplulu??u olarak 2002 seçimlerinden itibaren AB ç??????rtkanl?????? yapan ??u anki hükümete ve onun hatta sizin (benim de??il) e?? ba??kan??n??za nas??l olurda beyninin arkas??ndakileri okumak istemiyorsunuz.nas??l olurda AB yi bir amaç de??ilde bir araç olarak kulanarak ülkemizin tüm de??erlerini zay??flatan ve ve git gide iran a yakla??t??ran bu iktidara güvenebilirsiniz. bunlar??n AB diye bir dertleri yok tamamen bizlere nas??l y??llard??r takiyye yap??yorlarsa sizede takiyye yapt??klar??n?? nas??l anlam??yorsunuz. zay??f bir TÜRK??YE dindar ve demokrat olmayan bir TÜRK??YE size fayda de??il zarar getirir bunu anlad??????n??z zaman ayn?? 1979 da iran gibi sizde bizde geç kalm???? olaca????z. selamlar eray12@hotmail.com

  • Posted By: intermedusa @ 02/10/2008 9:24:59 AM

    EU DECLARATION DEMANDING REFORM OF ISLAM BEFORE TURKEY CAN JOIN: PART 2

    Larry Houle
    www.godofreason.com
    E-mail: intermedusa@yahoo.com


    10. The total and complete destruction of the sexually depraved Islamic Paradise of virgins who are to service the Men of Allah for all eternity. This evil Paradise for murderers is an outrageous affront and sin against God. To turn God into a pimp makes a mockery of everything God stands for. Over 1400 years, upwards of 270,000,000 people have been murdered by Muslim men so they could fulfill Koran teaching 9:111 and ascend to this place of obscenity. You cannot ascend to Paradise by climbing on the corpses of the murdered. Those who kill in the name of and to the greater glory of God will ascend not to Paradise but descend into the fires of hell.

    11.The total and complete destruction of Sharia Law and its replacement by separation of religion and state and democracy and freedom.


    WHY THESE 1000 TEACHINGS OF EVIL, TERROR, MURDER, VIOLENCE AND SUBROGATION OF WOMEN MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE KORAN AND A NEW KORAN PUBLISHED?

    By leaving these violent and abhorrent teachings in the Koran, Muslims are in effect saying that these teachings are NORMAL. They are basically acquiescing to evil. Once you accommodate evil, you lose your moral center and become willingly or unwillingly an accomplice to evil. You cannot call yourself a Good Muslim ??? pray 5 times a day etc ??? and ignore the evil ??? the moral black hole that lies at very the heart of Islam.

    We can no longer allow Muslims to declare Islam as a Religion of Peace and Love and tolerance etc while leaving in the Koran and Islamic texts evil teachings calling for the destruction of infidels. We can no longer allow these Muslims to live in a fantasy world of an ALLAH of all Goodness and Muhammad ??? The Prophet of Peace while the Koran contains teachings of a hateful, murderous ALLAH (the ANTI GOD). By demanding that Muslims prove that they are Truly Peace Loving ??? by removing these evil teachings from the Koran ??? and condemning their evil founder Muhammad will be a TRUE MOMENT OF CATHARSIS FOR ISLAM.




  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 02/09/2008 11:18:52 PM

    No matter what, the exclusion of Turkey from the EU is because of religion. The rest of of europe is Christian and Turkey is a Muslim country - as simple as that. So please do not B.S around to explain things!

    • Posted By: Froggie76 @ 02/10/2008 7:45:39 AM

      The one speaking BS is you dude ... Muslim populatiions account for over 10% of the EU countries and countries/regions where majority is muslim such as Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania and soon Kosovo, are on their path to EU membership.
      The main reasons are political, economical and societal. Notwithstanding its recent developments, Economically, Turkey is even poorer than Romania and Bulgaria, the average per capita is less than 40% of the EU average, with 60% of the wealth in the western part (Istanbul and Aegan coastline) accounting for less than 40% of the population ... Europeans are already in the process of developpin Eastern and Central Europe, and soon it will be the Balkans, so it'll take at least 10-15 years before Turkey's candidature can be seriously considered.
      Politically, despite its progresses, Turkey is still far from the basic rule of law, freedom of religion and expression, military political neutrality and minorities respect, that are the bedrocks for EU membership. You can also add the military occupation of EU territtory (Northern Cyprus) on the ground of ethnic nationalism, and more importantly, the access to EU political apparatus while reform treaties and institutions are still not completed.
      Socially, much of Turkish society is still "backward" by western standard, rife with intolerant nationalism, ethnic discrimination and religious extremism, illiteracy and lack of modern skills, especially when it comes to central and eastern Turkey.
      And I'm not even delving in the geopolitical implications of extending EU borders and spheres of interest to the Caucase and Middle-East, instead of keeping Turkey as a buffer and proxy ....

      So, right now, neither Turkey, nor the EU, is ready to associate themselves in a deep political and economic integration. Which what the EU is all about ....
      for pure economic development, that's what trade agreement are for ... and there are no shortages of such deals, past present and future between the EU and Turkey

      Only lunatics, misinformed and/or EU skeptics would dare to either press for imediate membership of Turkey ....

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