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Sahenk: African countries, East Asian countries, Middle Eastern countries, they are all waiting to see how Europe is going to treat Turkey. If Europe makes Turkey go further away from [the accession] process, there have to be answers—not only to Turkey, but also for the rest of the world. Turkey will be such an important bridge between colorful ethnicity, religion, all these things. Why be so afraid of this?

Koc: My short answer is: if the EU can accept Georgia and Russia on their borders after the Ukrainian membership, they can very easily accept the Middle Eastern countries you mentioned.

Turkey has a very young population, but you still have a Constitution that is based on some very old ideas, and the role of the military, which dates back to the Ottomans, is something that Europeans are often uncomfortable with.
Koc:
In discussions today, I heard some people saying that the Army is against the EU. I don't think this is accurate. The idea that the Turkish military is against democracy and is weakening democracy is a farce. If you look at all the institutions, the first Turkish institution that would be ready to join the EU today would be the military.

Yalcindag: I would like to add something—that it is right that Turkey has a very strong military, one of the strongest forces in NATO. Of course, the main reason for having that strong military is that we have a lot of the countries you've mentioned on our borders. And the second reason is that Turkey is facing very strong terrorist attacks, and that has been a problem for the last 15 years. Turkey has already spent more than $100 billion on this problem. The Turkish military stands for secularism and democracy. The military standing for democracy may sound a bit confusing, but it's right.

Sabanci Dincer: IT'S in the origins of the Republic.

Let's talk about the possibility of headscarves being worn in Turkish universities. What are your views on this?
Sabanci Dincer: As a woman, I'm against covering your face, because for me personally, it's going to separate women from men. But on the other hand, I think that a woman wearing a headscarf at university could be normal as long as there is respect for those who don't. I think the most important thing is that women have the economic power at a certain age that they can decide by their own will what they want to do. If they want to use the headscarf, fine. But I would be against it at primary- and secondary-school level.

Koc: The headscarf has become a major issue in Turkey. It's a political system, so it's not simply an issue of not wearing this or that. I went to school at Rice University in Texas, and they had a sign that said NO SHOES, NO T SHIRT, NO CLASS [laughter]. It is a major internal problem in Turkey. But I truly believe that Turkey has all the ingredients and capability to solve it, and I think that in the near future, this problem is going to be overcome.

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  • Posted By: intermedusa @ 02/16/2008 1:05:55 AM

    KORAN IS THE ETERNAL WORD/TEACHINGS OF GOD. THIS MEANS FOREVER AND EVER; PART 1

    By
    Larry Houle
    www.godofreason.com

    The first and MOST IMPORTANT CONCEPT that you must understand about Islam is the following:
    All Muslims believe the Koran is the Eternal divine word of God ??? the Eternal laws of God. All Muslims believe that God authored the Koran and a copy of the Koran is in heaven. The Koran remains for all Muslims, not just "fundamentalists," the uncreated word of God Himself. It is valid for all times and places forever; its ideas are absolutely true and beyond all criticism. To question it is to question the very word of God, and hence blasphemous. A Muslim's duty is to believe it and obey its divine commands without question.

    Muslims can be killed (beheaded) for doing any of the following:

    Reviling Allah or his Messenger; (2) being sarcastic about 'Allah's name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat'; (3) denying any verse of the Quran or 'anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it'; (4) holding that 'any of Allah's messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent'; (5) reviling the religion of Islam; (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law; (7) denying that Allah intended 'the Prophet's message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.'

    This means exactly what it says. ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE that the Koran is the ETERNAL word/teachings of God to be followed without question. If a Muslim challenges or questions the Koran, HE IS NO LONGER A MUSLIM BUT AN APOSTATE OF ISLAM and can be killed.

    The Koran can never be changed not even one word. When you are reading teachings of the Koran, you are reading the word of God himself and you must OBEY. THERE IS NO CHOICE. There is no exercising free will, no employing logic, reason, rationality, morality. These teachings are for all time - FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.

    This is the most important insanity that ALL Muslims believe ??? THAT MEANS ALL MUSLIMS. This belief in the KORNIC ETERNAL LAWS OF GOD is a disaster that has the potential to destroy humanity and civilization as we know it.

    2. The second most important concept concerning Islam is the Doctrine of Abrogation. You cannot comprehend Islam without a total and complete understanding of Abrogation.

    2:106 Whatever ayas We abrogate We bring better ones.

    16:101And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals.

    The Verse of The Sword 9:50 (see Part 2 below) abolished 124 initial peace teachings of Koran including the famous verse: there is no compulsion in religion (Surah 2:256). There is NO PEACE in Islam..

    islam is a 7th century ideology of war, death and destruction. This war is PERMANENT until only Muslims are left and the world is made entirely for Islam and Allah.

  • Posted By: intermedusa @ 02/16/2008 1:01:53 AM

    MURDER AND EXTERMINATION OF THE INFIDELS : PART 2

    By
    Larry Houle
    www.godofreason.com
    E-mail: intermedusa@yahoo.com

    The ten commandments teach: ???Thou Shalt Not Kill.???

    In Islam - it is a holy religious duty to murder infidels. The Qur???an is written in the language of terrorism. It is filled with numerous verses urging the Muslims to terrorize the non Muslims, kill them, and take possession of their lands and properties. The important points to remember is that whatever Muhammad did to terrorize the infidels was actually the actions of God. Among the many verses which exhort Islamist terrorism, the following verses stand out as naked aggression of Allah/Muhammad on the unbelievers: 2:63, 3:151, 8:12, 8:60, 8:59, 9:29, 9:50 9:55, 11:102, and 17:59 These are the Eternal Laws of Allah authorizating murder and extermination as a holy duty.

    It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires [for you] the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty and Wise [Koran 8:67]
    When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)
    Verse 9:50 is the extermination of ALL INFIDELS from the face of the earth. It means exactly what it means. Kill ALL INFIDELS. This is an ETERNAL LAW OF GOD FOREVER.

    FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

    Verse 9:29 is the extermination of Christians and Jews from the face of the earth. They must either convert to Islam or pay a devastating submission tax and accept slavery as their future or be murdered if they refuse.

    Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you may find them. (9:5-6)

    So when you meet the infidels in battle, then cut off their heads, and after you have killed many of them by the sword, place [them] in shackles, and afterwards either set them free if you choose or let them ransom [themselves] until the war ends Koran 47:4

    Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods for theirs in return is the garden of Paradise they fight in his cause and slay and are slain a promise binding on him as truth 9.111
    For those Muslims who slay and are slain in fulfilling the above teachings ??? murdering Infidels ??? they are GUARANTEED accession to a sexual Paradise filled with full breasted, lustrous eyed eyes to sexually molest for all eternity.

    The above teachings are EVIL and only a small sample of 1000 teachings of hate, murder, extermination, terror that is the Koran.


  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 02/15/2008 2:51:01 AM

    All 11 points that you have put down are rather twisted and orientalist in nature. If Islam is as what you have listed out, the present scenario would be the other way round! The west would have been subjugated and at he mercy of the Muslims - but it has never been and even until now the Muslims have been the ones who are continuosly being intimidated, ridiculed, harrassed, invaded and colonised by the west! Muslims have never made fun of other religions, it is the secular western people themselves who have bee ridiculing Christianity and Judaism in all sorts of form form cartoons, theatre, movies, articles, books, films and so on. You are one of them - the orientalists who are infact the danger to the whole world, trying to instigate hatred between the Jews, Christians and Muslims!

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