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  • Posted By: frjiles1 @ 02/12/2008 3:57:35 PM

    Obama supporters, let me ask you this how much of a chance do you think Obama will have along with the Democratic Party to win if he becomes the nominee? WITHOUT focusing on anything else, there are documents that show, if nothing else, a personal/family history of Muslim Affiliation. How many Americans do you think are ready to have a Muslim Affiliated President, especially one who hasn???t been forthright about it? And before anyone says it-----YES THE MUSLIM ISSUE DOES MATTER! Also, he belongs to a church that focuses on and teaches Black Empowerment. How many non blacks (and some blacks for that matter) do you think will be able to accept this and will continue to support him?

    How long do you think his strong support base will last once the press and the Republicans finishes having a field day with these two topics alone? Even Karl Rove said last night that the Republicans would make "minced meat" out of him on the Oreiley Factor. Of course after he said this, the interview was cut short. Fox want to wait UNTIL he gets the nomination to expose everything.

    People the DEMOCRATS are guaranteed to LOSE if Obama gets the nomination!! The Media made a big deal out of Ted Kennedy???s endorsement, yet they failed to point out that even Ted Kennedy ???mistakenly??? called him ???Osama Bin Laden??? during a news report last year. Check out this website--- it is very interesting! http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

  • Posted By: ericrsiny @ 02/12/2008 2:37:58 PM

    JFK and LBJ had no experience??? They had much more experience than Obama does or did you forget time served in the military and US House? As for Bill Clinton he was the senior tenured governor of a state before he ran. Moreover, we are leaving in a much different world than we were living in the 1960s or 1992 and I doubt JFK or Clinton would have been elected in the world we live in now.

  • Posted By: roncraw @ 02/12/2008 2:35:50 PM

    I see a overwhelming need for the knowledgable superdelegates. It's hard to bvelieve the number of comment writers on the net who say Hillary was the only one on lthe Fl. ballot. All six were on the ballot , I voted .In fact Obama ran ads here.

  • Posted By: AngMait @ 02/12/2008 2:15:53 PM

    Jonathan:

    Are you seriously suggesting that negotiating the entire Health Care system in public is somehow similar to FDR's fireside chats and Reagan's single public statement "Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall!"

    I guess that Obama will just get up and rip off another Zappa quote - saying something meaningful like "We are the other people." or "We are the people our parents warned us about". And then say something like: "Oh insurance companies we need to fix the medical system". And it shall be done 'transformatively'. What kind of analysis is that Jonathan?

    Will Obama use the same technique in the Middle East? - and use John Edwards to question the Taliban who will have been forced to attend through public pressure. And then when Obama's arbitrary cut-off for pulling out of Iraq (was it 16 months?) arrives - and you and the MSM hold his feet to fire and require him to live up to his fatuous timetable - will he try the same?

    This isn't serious analysis - it's hack journalism.


  • Posted By: steve02001 @ 02/12/2008 1:59:17 PM

    Ah, the cynics are already sharpening their knives, "Can Obama walk in water?" they mock; no, he can't walk in water, and he is not "Saint Obama." But maybe, just maybe, like another Senator from Illinois, he can tap into the "better angels of our nature." One can hope.

  • Posted By: supporter @ 02/12/2008 1:51:34 PM

    I believe that Obama has the ability to move America forward. I also believe that he is very clear on the issues as Mrs. Clinton. He may not repeat them 3 or 4 times in the same speech but he has been very clear on the issues. Mr. Clinton did not have experience when he was elected but he made a very good President. Why is it that now the experience issue makes a big difference? JFK had no experience and he was a good president. LBJ had no experience.....

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 02/12/2008 1:29:09 PM

    The problem with this country is greed and corruption. Republicans want to privatize everything so that they can give it to corporations . The goal of a corporation is to make a profit. It is not to HELP you. Health insurance companies routinely make decisions , Do we permit an operation or save $25 Grand. Thats why you have to stand on your head for heatlh care . Its greed, and these corporations are not giving up thier money without a fight. So the question is do we want a President that makes us "feel good" or do we want a President who will fight for us ?
    I want the "Fighter" , I have a family to support.

  • Posted By: columbian cokane @ 02/10/2008 9:00:28 PM

    I find it interesting that when we talk about the War on Terror, people tend to only focus on Islamic extremists. People have such short memories of what happened when home-grown terror hits (Oklahoma City, Waco, Ruby Ridge anyone?) This dichotomy of us (Americans) vs. them (Muslim extremists) is ridiculous rhetoric that does nothing to further humanity in any way, shape, or form. To say that terrorism is the biggest issue facing us today (cough, McCain, cough) is shortsighted and will catch up with us in the end. To be honest, the ???War on Terror??? and the war in Iraq has done nothing to make me feel safer in America. If anything, I feel less safe because of the precedent that this conflict is following (think back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which everyone seems to forget when trying to figure out why that region is a hotbed of anti-American sentiment).

    As far as Obama vs. Hilary, I really do not think that Obama will be turning people towards McCain. President Bush has essentially endorsed McCain, which will turn off a lot of moderate Democrats. If Obama gets into office and sees that a lot of his initiatives are going to face resistance, I don???t think he will take them lying down. He will communicate to the public (as Mr. Alter has pointed out in this article) what is going on and will try to get his initiatives passed. Hilary just does not have that type of charisma; she is too polarizing. Besides, do we really want 12 years of Clintons and Bushes in office?

    • Posted By: Oldbrd @ 02/11/2008 7:17:46 PM

      If you do not think Obama will elect Mc Cain, expain why Republicans are voting for him in all these "open" cacucas...Charisma, that is Bush... go figure... Obama has not shown any leadership skills in the IL senate, or US Senate.. In fact he has the most liberal voting record for the year he was in the Senate... It takes a Clinton to clean up and get things working again after a Bush !!

      • Posted By: columbian cokane @ 02/12/2008 1:04:23 PM

        I think that being a freshman senator and working on important bills with the likes of Senate bigwigs (McCain being one of them) shows leadership in and of itself. As far as Bush being charismatic, I don't think he could sell water to a person whose house was on fire. Going into Iraq was based on false intel, not charismatic leadership.

  • Posted By: lmcchesn @ 02/12/2008 12:37:58 PM

    At what event will he walk on water? I want to be there. Please tell me so I can save the date.

  • Posted By: lmcchesn @ 02/12/2008 12:36:31 PM

    He is so inspirational that his mere words and speechs will cure all disease and there will not be a need for reform. Then his preacher like words will fix our fiscal mess and re-shape our global position. Maybe he will even give out communion in church and all the hungry will be fed. Please see thorugh this fake stuff and vote HILLARY, who has a plan, not just a speech to lift you up and away to neverland.

  • Posted By: harriscrl3 @ 02/12/2008 11:57:41 AM

    Thank you for the last line: "The critical issue for the next president is the ability to mobilize the American public to move forward."

    That's where he excels and others fall short. Heck even Huckabee does a much better job mobilizing the American people than his republican counterpart and even Hillary Clinton. Huckabee and Obama is similar in this respect because there is something authentic real genuine about them. They are not part of the establishment. Huckabee maybe crazy but he too want to change the establishment while Hillary and McCain prod beat it or do what it takes to make it work. Thats why these two are better able to mobilize people they represent real change. They are not two people who are going to play by the rules. People say McCain is a maverick but Obama is a bit of a maverick too. The difference is Obama wants to shake up Washington to stop it from being comfortable with itself. And even though he is a junior senator some of the things he has worked on shows he is not someone who goes along and gets along. He's worked on ethics reform he has worked on setting a timetable to start troop withdrawal from Iraq. He takes the lead even on controversial poltically hot issues

  • Posted By: Portle 44 @ 02/12/2008 11:35:39 AM

    After watching the Great Man and watching the people he speaks to,its pretty obvious that he doesn't really need a Health Care Plan. He can simply have the sick and the lame brought to him and lay on the hands.
    Scary stuff

  • Posted By: ilenuta @ 02/11/2008 12:53:30 PM

    "Change - not as a slogan, not as a bumper sticker, but change you can believe in!" (from Mr. Obama's speach to the Virginia democrats this past Saturday). Indeed this goes way beyond bumper sticker politics, this is demagoguery at is's worst (best?).
    Ileana Gheorghiu, M.D.

    • Posted By: Sass123 @ 02/12/2008 11:22:47 AM

      It sure is. I hope I don't have to see these same people come to the realization that you can't eat change or hope. This is serious business with the quality of our lives at stake - it simply amazes me at how shallow we Americans can be (or is it mass stupidity).

  • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/12/2008 8:39:40 AM

    "hard-faced wife Michelle"

    i always thought she was beautiful and is not in the limelight enough.

  • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/12/2008 8:33:23 AM

    Saw a speech by Senator Obama saying he was "strong" and to that i say sir that goes without saying. You are strong, strong, strong. You are a beautiful person full of passion and resolve. You are more than strong you are a Champion. But nothing. You rock!

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 02/12/2008 8:29:44 AM

    The bad thing about Hillary is not that she is losing, but her glum, despondent face in this situation.

    If you can't take a temporary defeat cheerfully, you don't DESERVE to be president anyway.

    She should be utterly relaxed and full of jokes and fun, in this situation.

    She should tell voters bluntly: it's OK for me if I am not chosen this year. I can wait until 2012. But will be OK for you?

    She should hit Obama hard without worrying. She has killed her chances in this election largely because she fought it so midly, hardly daring to point out what was wrong with Obama.

    But no matter.

    The guy with a lot to fear is Obama.

    Being president in 2008 won't be easy.

    In six months they will all hate him and his hard-faced wife Michelle.

  • Posted By: Ganpat @ 02/12/2008 8:07:37 AM

    Obama is likely now to win. I give him a pretty good chance of being President.

    But what good will this do him?

    He will have to preside over a rotten economy, and a humiliating retreat from Iraq.

    Given his supporters' euphoric expectations, there will be bitter disillusionment.

    The retreat from Iraq will taint Obama with national shame.

    Does Hillary really want to be president in such circumstances?

    She should happily and quietly wait for Obama to self-destruct, and prepare for the 2012. election

  • Posted By: Monetfan @ 02/11/2008 8:43:28 PM

    I think Obama has shown his extraordinary skills at reaching across the aisle to effect change - both in Illinois and in the U.S. Senate. During this Primary season he has demonstrated that he can attract Independents and GOP voters over to his side. He has won in ALL parts of the country. The Democrats are drawing twice as many people to the primaries and caucuses, so I think there is a strong possibility Obama could win swing "Purple" states like Missouri and Iowa, as well as some "Red" ones like Kansas and Nebraska. He will win all of the traditionally Democratic "Blue" states that both he and Hillary are now carrying. With a broad mandate by winning in many states, Obama will have real clout next January. I think he will be able to effectively convince both the people and Congress to implement sweeping changes, like real Health Care reform. Yesterday even Colin Powell strongly hinted he might support Obama! I think he has the potential to be a truly GREAT president! He is a brilliant thinker - remember he was the Harvard Law Review president. He will surround himself with the best and the brightest from BOTH parties. He will not want just "Yes" people around him. He seems like the type person who relishes a good and honest debate. He wants transparency on health care. That is really a good sign. I am thrilled at the prospect of actually having the partisan gridlock that has dominated for so many years finally being broken. It's going to be an exciting period in history! (I just hope we Democrats nominate this wise and wonderful man!) Just remember - he was right on the war in Iraq! Anyone who had the courage to stand up and oppose this war back in 2002 has my confidence!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/11/2008 8:17:56 PM

    Before we crown Obama, I have a serious question for his admirers. Is he Shiite or Sunni? Enquiring minds want to know. I couldn't find out on YouTube.

  • Posted By: SissyLou @ 02/11/2008 8:06:12 PM

    Take a look at Willy Clinton's great foreign policy: Bombed an aspirin factory in the Sudan the day Monica Lewinsky testified. Formed a mighty "Caribbean Colalition" to attack Haiti (which is WAY worse off now than it's ever been because Slick put a sick sadist into power). Did absolutely nothing after several attacks by terrorists abroad, which emboldened them to attack us on our own soil. Id' say it takes a Bush to clean up after a Clinton. And hopefully, Bush also disenfected the oval office after Slick got through with it.

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