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  • Posted By: maq1 @ 02/10/2008 11:16:45 PM

    To Democrats,

    Please stop ignoring the considerable constitutional issues that come along with another Clinton presidency. White it is not impermissible under the constitution for a former president to be a presidential spouse in the White House, it was NOT contemplated by the framers of the Constitution. I believe the framers of our Constitution would be very troubled by the prospect of a free wheeling "co-president" in the person of Bill Clinton in the White House - an certainly high level policy maker whose authority and powers are not circumscribed by law. Regardless of your political views, please consider that this WAS NOT FORESEEN, and is NOT ADEQUATELY COVERED BY LAW. Bill Clinton, as first spouse, would be free to cloak himself under the veil of executive privilege WITHOUT ANY LEGAL OVERSIGHT or limitations on his activities. If you thought Dick Cheney abused presidental powers, you aint seen nothin. By electing Clinton, you would be placing Bill Clinton right in the middle of a HUGE legal black hole. This is uncharted territory in a legal sense, and it is a cause for concern for anyone that cares about the Constitution.

    • Posted By: Oldbrd @ 02/11/2008 7:27:57 PM

      You are concerned about Bill in the White House, you ain't seen nothing... Michelle Obama will make him seem "absolutely stogid".... And who will deal with the panties on the stage at public addresses from his Rock Star following.

  • Posted By: cowboys2468 @ 02/11/2008 2:54:47 PM

    I have to wonder about a man who votes against a war that our gov. led us to believe was imperative to world peace and american safety. I am confused at our idea of leadership. A man who claims he is the future. Yet we need someone to clean up the past and our present. Both of wich we caused with our horrible decision as a collective to bring in such a bad president for 8 years. We need to say we are sorry and beg Hillary Clinton to give us a chance. We need her know how and strong mindset for fixing what we the people did to our great nation. WE should be grateful she even wants the job!! We voted for an idiot now lets vote for greatness.

  • Posted By: ilenuta @ 02/11/2008 12:48:05 PM

    "Change - not as aslogan, not as a bumper -sticker, but change we can believe in!" (from Mr. Obama's Saturday Virginia speach): indeed this goes way beyond bumper-sticker politics, this is demagoguery at it's worst ( best?).
    Ileana Gheorghiu,M.D.

  • Posted By: Acmacho @ 02/10/2008 8:33:51 AM

    you make many valid points and unfortunately a vast majority have been caught up in Obama's empty rhetoric. If anyone cares to remember, the phrase "Yes we can" was stolen from the United Farm workers, to which Obama does not credit and all this talk about change is just empty words but to his credit he does inspire with his speeches. It is unfortunate that the Oprahs, have jumped on the bagwagon at this point in time and it seems it's more due to his race than anything else because when she could've made a major difference in the 2004 elections she chose to sit it out. One last thing about Mr. Obama is that he is in some ways like Mr. Bush in that he has a pleasing personality that convey's trust and yet, like Bush Mr. Obama is just another wolf in sheeps clothing. His camp has brilliantly used the race card and made it seem like it came from the Clintons.

    • Posted By: jaymiller @ 02/11/2008 12:29:09 PM

      Obama played the race card? Please. Obama defended distortions of his record regarding the war in Iraq and comments he made about Reagan when Bill went on the offensive in South Carolina. All other reaction came from Black leaders who thought that comments from Hillary's advisors (very experienced mind you) that were designed to draw attention to Barack's middle name and admission of drug use in his past were out of line. Then Bill went on the record comparing Obama's win in South Carolina to that of Jesse Jackson (never mind his or that of John Edwards). Here was Obama's response:

      George Stephanapolous: ???The implication is pretty clear: You???re the Jesse Jackson of 2008.???

      Barack Obama: ???Jesse Jackson ran historic races in 1984 and 1988. There???s no doubt that set a precedent for African Americans running for the highest office in the land. But that was 20 years ago, George. [Bill Clinton's] frame of reference was the Jesse Jackson races. That???s when he was active and involved and watching what was going to take place in South Carolina. I think that a lot of South Carolinians looked at it through a different lens."

      Really sounds like a race card being played. If you are going to make statements like "his camp has brilliantly used the race card and make it seem like it came from the Clintons," you'd better be prepared to back them up.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 02/10/2008 2:44:37 PM

      I don't think his campaign played the race card but how hippocritical that no one can say anything bad about Obama cause it might be construde as racist but everyone can freely bash Hillary because she is a woman?

  • Posted By: lamm01 @ 02/11/2008 11:32:07 AM

    Boy, did you take your lips of Obama's ass to write this article? Anyone who believes the Senator's rhetoric, unsubstiated claims of glory and a "renewed future" must have the same blinders on that you do. Wake up. The man is nothing more than a charlatan whose words from the "mount" are growing more ridiculous each day. For those of you who are falling for this, it's like lambs being led to slaughter. It's on your heads... I only hope that you can deal with later on. Don't say you weren't warned.

  • Posted By: Southern Bell @ 02/11/2008 11:12:29 AM

    Congratulations, Jonathan, on your new job as Obama advisor.

    Good to know anything you say about HRC will be completely biased.

  • Posted By: seanmac @ 02/09/2008 5:39:03 PM

    Comment: Change is a generic term.

    Obama doesn't own the change theme.

    Whether it is Clinton or Obama to replace Bush, change will happen.

    Making change a slogan is not equal to making change.

    (Plus, contrary to Mr. Alter's assertion, I rather think Obama's quick ascendancy has everything to do with the 24/7 macrophone of mainstream media. Without that macrophone, the "change slogan" is only a whisper. With the macrophone, it becomes a phenomenon.)

    • Posted By: jaymiller @ 02/11/2008 10:46:21 AM

      Obama does not own the theme, but it was his theme - the one he started with and the one he's stuck with from the very beginning. The one that everyone from Hillary to Mitt Ronmey "borrowed", and the one that everyone running pumped into their speeches once they realized Obama was on to something,

  • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/11/2008 12:08:54 AM

    " This is uncharted territory in a legal sense, and it is a cause for concern for anyone that cares about the Constitution."

    This nation is still young and in uncharted waters in so many ways. Like a woman president or a black man running strong through the South. I bet our wonderful forefathers would never foreseen a woman running or a black man? heck my hero is Washington but those boys were slave owners and it just goes to show that history has a selective focus and memory. I know they would be scarred just like the old guard is when they see Hillary coming and everyone is calling unfair - wait a minute you can't do that. UNFAIR no no all is fair in love and war and this is both to the very highest levels. Go Hillary we love you as you war for us, war with whatever it takes, don't mess with mamma she knows what is going on, now pappa may be out chasing tail or polo balls but mamma is cooking up something fresh and will run things like only a woman could - Go Hillary cook up one of those smoking plates of freshness - DELICIOUS!!! Who would have thought that a woman would be running the blue union troops and the south would be running with a black man - fly your flay babby and let the games begin. God bless America she is a lady that is always up to something cool.

  • Posted By: MRHpdx @ 02/10/2008 1:05:36 AM

    The "change" Obama brings to this campaign is more than just a slogan. Look at the results in states with Caucuses. When people have to sit, think, and articulate why they prefer either Clinton or Obama, it's not been close. Obama is winning these states handily. In states with direct elections, most every state is close. If the message that Obama brings to the caucuses can continue to be translated at the grass roots level, the voters in the critical middle (and hopefully an active youth vote) will make Obama the better choice to face the Republicans in November. And hopefully McCain will have to continue to pander more and more to the ultra-right social conservatives as he tries to solidiffy his nomination. That will drive the voters looking for change to Obama.

    • Posted By: seanmac @ 02/10/2008 10:30:18 PM

      Winning caucuses is not representative enough. Obama only needs to send his followers to persuade his immediate neighbors and friends to go caucus for him. Then he can win.

      Primary is much more representative because everybody exercises his/her free will and judgment to vote the candidate he/she believes in. Unfortunately, Hillary hasn't invested enough time to organize caucuses in the beginning. She must have thought by now she is the winner already.

    • Posted By: Zombiehero @ 02/10/2008 2:42:29 PM

      I see a lot of hope in your arguement...which will sink it. If Obama is nominated there will be a lot of social liberal but fiscally and militarily convservative Democrats that will vote for McCain...If Obama gets elected President and finds out that he doesn't have the experience or can't get out of Iraq where does that leave the Dem party? How is his speech going to sound when he tell the millions of americans that rode the wave, that he really leave Iraq or that he has to comprimise on global warming or healthcare... too many of the moderate and right leaning Dems will leave the rank and file altogether and we will have a Romney or Huckabee in office in another 4 years....ay of these highly educated young liberal voters read Orwell? Cause thats what could happen if your whole arguement is based on... "well I hope that if goes this way."

  • Posted By: Rapps @ 02/10/2008 9:26:29 PM

    Jon, it's true that Hillary is an amazing policy wonk, but Obama proved in the last debate that he could hang with her. This "he's all style but weak on details' business is just another mainstream media talking point; he's put proposal after proposal out there (just look at his website); and in his time in the Senate, he has sponsored substantive legislation such the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law), The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law), and the the 2007 Government Ethics Bill. Obama has plenty of policy chops, but that's just not an exciting media line. If you want an exciting media story about the Clintons, what happened to Kathleen Willey?

  • Posted By: tdn0024 @ 02/10/2008 5:03:17 PM

    Leaving Iraq is not the big item. That's too narrow a description. The first big item remains winning the War on Terror.

    Obama has a big opportunity. He can remind Americans that Cold War is a War of Economic Attrition, where we win when our enemies people get sick of them and throw them aside. It doesn't cost us anything -- just resolve.

    We were willing to exterminate all the peoples in the Soviet countries if they nuked us. And that willngness is what held them at bay.

    It's not pretty. It's not fun. It's pretty horrible.

    But Cold War does have one nice thing going for it. It works.

    Obama tells the Muslims that, if nuked by a state, he will decimate that state and anywhere it's elites may be rumored to have other holding. If nuked by Islamic terrorist, he will decimate all Muslim majority lands from Marocco to Indonesia.

    Has any one had the courage to honestly say what we'd do if one of our cities got nuked? The above paragraph, horrible as it is, is a very good approximation of what any American President would do.

    Therefore, for the cost of making a speech that only the Ralph Nader voters of the Bay Area would object to, Obama would position himself as the Man with the Plan to Win the War on Terror.

    The failure of Bush to define the War on Terror as another Cold War, again backed by "Assured Destructon" of our enemy is the biggest failure. Guessing that Saddam had WMD's or a Cakewalk were judgment errors by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell.

    But allowing the Terrorists to set the terms of War -- Hot War -- when we faced down the Soviet Empire and its thousands of missles faced at us by Cold War?

    By not clearly defining Cold War on our terms, our leaders have left us at unncessary risk. So much for Republican competence in national defense.

    And they have left a great opportunity for Obama to leave John McCain's eagerness to run off to more wars as a clear example of bad judgement.

  • Posted By: Harry O @ 02/10/2008 2:02:58 PM

    You start your article by giving Hillary a "pass" on her weakest subject, the war. Iraq is not, as you say, "a wash", it is far from clear that Hillary would be effective in removing our troops from harms way, in light of the fact that she was in lockstep with Bush in authorizing the war, and is thus partially responsible for them being there in the first place. How can she properly skewer the Republicans in the general election when she sided with them on the war in the beginning? How can she return our standing in the world by refusing to talk to leaders we don't like? We should talk to the leaders of enemy nations, but in Hillary's case she will have a lot of explaining to do, such as why shy voted to authorize a war that should have never been waged. By not talking to these leaders, she is effectively running away screaming from the worst policy decision of her career, her vote authorizing the Iraq war.

  • Posted By: kcarizona @ 02/10/2008 2:27:53 AM

    "divided we fall"

    If that is true is it all inclusive??? How about the millions working next to us who own houses, have jobs, have been here for years and served in countless roles to build this country???? Or are we ok to divide them and call them ILLEGALS and push em down to the floor and treat em like slaves, property that we can reject and send back to saint Elsewhere whenever we want to?? I admire the spirit of a person who comes over against great odds and pulls the line without grumbling and only askes which way to the American dream and hears instead
    "WHAT YOU!!! Divided that's the office you need to report to."

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 02/10/2008 1:08:58 AM

    As a recently retired school teacher from an inner city high school in South Los Angeles, I have one question - why MUSt we choose one and not the other? Why can't we choose both - or better all three (I"m including John Edwards here)? During my tenure as teacher, I was pressed into service several times as senior class sponsor or co-sponsor. I always preferred working with two or three other teachers as co-sponsors - simply because we could complement each other's strengths and weaknesses. The same applies to this country. I am totally aware of the structure stipulated by the Constitution, but regardless of the titles, our country really needs a Clinton, an Obama, and an Edwards working together, for united we stand, divided we fall

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 02/09/2008 11:05:26 PM

    I still dont truest the Republicans . I think they are trying to take down Hillary first, because she can neutralize Mccain on national security and blow him away on domestic issue's, Then once Obama is the candidate they will start to smear him , and dont be surprised if an event happens in the "war on terror" when Americans start asking themselves who can protect us better a young Obama , or an experienced Mccain. If they could get George Bush elected "twice" I would underestimate them.

  • Posted By: seanmac @ 02/09/2008 5:26:21 PM

    why my previous posting has disppeared?

  • Posted By: AdirondackAl @ 02/09/2008 5:12:47 PM

    Barack,Hillary, Hillary, Barack. The main stream media is having their love fest. Mike Huckabee is the candidate of real Americans. Can't find any of them in the bicoastal world of the msm.pset the media-vote for Mike Huckabee.

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