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  • Posted By: andrewfred @ 02/15/2008 1:06:54 AM

    This doesn't surprise me in the least. This is the third time I've seen this misandry filth on Newsweek. The first article I saw was on the double standards of divorce several years back. And I'm sure there were more. Attention Newsweek: STOP POSTING THESE MISANDRIC ARTICLES OR I WILL BOYCOTT YOUR NEWSPAPER AND TELL OTHERS TO DO THE SAME!

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:58:36 PM

      Look at what she has spawned:
      How women are learning to control their men: operant conditioning ...
      From <em>The Independent</em>: Bring Your Husband to Heel is a new [BBC] six-part series which deals with a variety of problems such as how to motivate a man to do the washing up ...

      www.clickertraining.com/node/448 · Cached page
      ABC News: Husbands and Dogs: How Much Do They Have in Common?
      Husbands and Dogs: How Much Do They Have in Common? ... A New British Reality Show Says Husbands Can Be Trained Just Like Dogs

      abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1060569

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 2:37:25 AM

      You are right! Boycotting is the thing to do. andrewfred. You are not alone on this one. P.S. Geico just started up those stupid caveman commercials again ... you know, men in monster make-up!

  • Posted By: allibill @ 02/15/2008 10:05:07 AM

    I have been using these methods for years with my husband and then with my son. I feel that there is nothing wrong with maintaining a happy healthy household and this is effective and subtle. Besides, I wasn't going to send my son out into the world expecting to be waited on by a wife, just because my husband's mother did. And as to origin, I am fairly certain that it has been in use forever...i mean, really!

    • Posted By: democratic @ 02/15/2008 1:26:35 PM

      The reason it ruffled the feathers of some people is because political correctness is demanded of men when addressing issues that involve women. If women are complacent or tactless in their expressions then the signal "the gloves are coming off" will be sent to the brain . It's simple "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". If you imply that it is okay for women to be reckless with their expression then you advocate double standards. (All double standards)

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:57:02 PM

        Tell this to AMY and her publisher:

        http://www.amysutherland.com

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 6:50:41 PM

        This is a good summary of the main point in this discussion, Thank you.

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 7:11:36 PM

      Except that, in this case, a book has been published for distribution far and wide. Did you need to attend an animal training seminar to be enabled to use these techniques on your husband and son? Did you need Shamu in order to make the connection?

  • Posted By: RodBickles @ 02/15/2008 11:32:46 AM

    Imagine if the book had been written by a man about how he had trained his wife to be obedient through the techniques of animal training.

    First, it would never see print. But if it did, it would roundly decried as misogynistic, no argument necessary.

    Does this make it a bad book? IIt's probably no worse than all the other books out there that feed on women's and men's false hopes/fantasies.

    It is insulting to men, especially the writer's husband, who should change his name and disappear in shame.

    If women want to carry on like this, they should consider how it will effect how much people want to have a woman as a president, CEO, professor, priest, etc.

    • Posted By: philmjr @ 02/15/2008 12:44:50 PM

      Did you bother to read the actual article? The author admits that the technique works on both sexes and furthmore stated that as she was "training" her husband, she was actually retraining herself "not to take her husband's actions personally, and not to react when he did things that annoyed her" There's nothing sexist about this. All the author is stating is that her work in animal training ultimately taught her to lighten up about things that she used to let bother her and to show appreciation when her husband does something she approves of. Its as simple, non-groundbreaking, and non-sexist as that. And being as the actual title of the book is actually "What Shamu Taught Me About Life, Love, and Marriage" it could have just as easily been written by a man. Sometimes you have to look the spin that other publications may put on a book. Newsweek obviously put an apparently sexist spin on this because that's what attracts readers. People love a good controversy to argue over, but the real nature of this book is not worth everyone getting their feathers all ruffled.

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:55:48 PM

        Look at what she has spawned:
        How women are learning to control their men: operant conditioning ...
        From <em>The Independent</em>: Bring Your Husband to Heel is a new [BBC] six-part series which deals with a variety of problems such as how to motivate a man to do the washing up ...

        www.clickertraining.com/node/448 · Cached page
        ABC News: Husbands and Dogs: How Much Do They Have in Common?
        Husbands and Dogs: How Much Do They Have in Common? ... A New British Reality Show Says Husbands Can Be Trained Just Like Dogs

        abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1060569

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:54:58 PM

      Tell this to Amy and her publishers:

      http://www.amysutherland.com

  • Posted By: juliandroms @ 02/15/2008 5:40:28 PM

    Women suck balls. Most of them need to get over themselves.

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:52:13 PM

      Tell this to Amy :
      http://www.amysutherland.com

  • Posted By: Cosmicwindsurfer @ 02/14/2008 4:05:44 PM

    This book is insulting and condescending beyond belief to men. I agree with jazzyjenny02: relationships are about respect and understanding. Amy Sutherland has been reading to much Dr. Laura Schlessenger, who believes men are "simple creatures". ( See The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, etc. and other diatribes) I guess Amy just wants a weak man who will roll over or catch the fish she throws him for whatever sporadic benefits she can offer. This is likely because she can't get a real man with any kind of spine who won't put up with her b.s. This book is disgusting. Any woman who reads it and believes what it has to say is living in a American woman fantasy land, and likely has read " The Rules" and believes that b.s. too. Stick to tossing fish to Shamu at Seaworld, and the men of America will thank you. Signed, a real man.

    • Posted By: tboneisme @ 02/14/2008 5:32:10 PM

      Have you even read the book???

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:13:10 PM

        If the book is that radically different fron NEWSWEEK'S description of it, why don't you sue them? Libel is illegal T-Bone...

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/14/2008 11:17:33 PM

      We've read the public relations hype on it. Don't you understand?

  • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 02/14/2008 4:08:21 PM

    What amazes me is not this book's content, or even the adverse reactions to it, but how many misogynists are still out there, and are so very vocal about it. This is one book, by one author, and by the way it is NOT titled "How to Train A Husband," that is Newsweek's own editorial spin..the actual title is "What Shamu Taught Me About Life, Love, and Marriage: Lessons for People from Animals and Their Trainers," so all the comments about the title are completely facetious. It IS about spouses, husbands or wives, of course, since the author is a woman, she is talking about her experiences with her husband, but it is not a man-bashing book at all.

    However, it seems that so many bitter women-hating men are just looking for a reason, any reason to spew their sexist hatred and pitiable insecurities without bothering to really find out what the entire story is, or to even find out the actual title of the book, let alone read it. It really is a pretty harmless book, and hardly worth getting your BVDs in a bunch over.

    What's truly disturbing is not the idea of using animal-training techniques on your spouse (be it male or female)...no, what is truly disturbing is the amount of hateful vitriol and demonization of women in general. One has to pity such bleak souls so consumed and filled with hatred and bitterness.

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/14/2008 11:15:52 PM

      What amazes me is the blind misandry you flagrantly show in this verbose version of the "I-feel-sorry-for-you gambit. Face it ... the author and publisher tried to pull it ff, and they're getting lambasted for it!

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 3:07:57 AM

        That should read "tried to pull a fast one," ... i write this because NEWSWEEK cannot legally put its own misleading spin on the article about this book. If you cross-reference the coverage given to it by MSN,COM, the same verbiage is used without hesitation or excuses.

        • Posted By: tboneisme @ 02/15/2008 12:21:54 PM

          Ha ha ha! Do you really think the press can't "legally" editorialize? Do you think EVERYTHING the press reports does not include any sort of slant to entice readers? That is about the funniest thing I've heard all year!

          • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:07:08 PM

            Ho-Ho-Ho T-Bone: Do you honestly think the author (and the publisher) are stuck with any misrepresentation of their book, by anyone, including NEWSWEEK? Hey, let's ask the Legal Department at NEWSWEEK.

  • Posted By: esmith512 @ 02/14/2008 4:10:20 PM

    The book seems to have an openly misandrist sentiment and would be greeted with howls of condemnation if the genders were reversed. This book now is greeted with similar sentiments here--men are not to be demeaned or insulted. There's honest and forthright advising and assisting others to help themselves and the group, but the idea of attempting Pavlovian-like conditioning and manipulative behaviors lacks moral character, honest respect, and reinforces further dishonesty and moral corruption. Dissimulation and manipulation are dishonest means to a selfish end, anyone attempting such behavior are similarly dishonest and selfish and have no place in any integrity-based relationship. The idea that a husband is an assistant, employee, pet, slave, or subordinate to be trained like an animal is demeaning and repugnant to human dignity and rights. Anymore, many men will reject this attitude and if it persists, will eventually divorce such a wife or leave a girlfriend with such a disrespectful mentality.

    • Posted By: tboneisme @ 02/14/2008 5:31:01 PM

      Oh c'mon! The author is not saying that her husband is a pet or a subordinate! You people are missing the point entirely!!!!!! The whole point is COMPROMISE in marriage! Changing your negative reactions to positive ones is not dishonest or manipulative, it is SMART!

      Have you even read the book???

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 8:02:17 PM

        Hey Tbone: Sometimes you write about this book in the first person voice. You sound as though you are the author, then you sound as though you are just an apologist for or a defender of the author. Which is it?

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/14/2008 8:38:18 PM

      Thank you sincerely for your eloquent summation of this book, its author and the publisher who wants to make money off of it.

  • Posted By: Baby Boomer @ 02/14/2008 4:09:08 PM

    Gee I guess its time to publish my new book--How to train a female to put the toilet lid back up when done at a single mans house other than saying I guess your Mother or Ex wife didn't train you to put the seat down

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/14/2008 10:43:02 PM

      Sober up Baby Boomer, you just wrote something oncoherent.

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 7:56:55 PM

        That should read "incoherent".

  • Posted By: noblekind34 @ 02/14/2008 4:39:34 PM

    Good technique! That is the way men have been treated by wise women for centuries! And we have been losing the idea. It is not degrating or disrespectful to men. This technique works on anyone!

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 7:43:16 PM

      Falderall, balderdash, horseshit, shuck-and-jive! Do I detect a wiccan influence in you comment?

  • Posted By: Shlabubu @ 02/14/2008 4:49:26 PM

    Comment: What amazes me is not this book's content, or even the adverse reactions to it, but how many misogynists are still out there, and are so very vocal about it. This is one book, by one author, and by the way it is NOT titled "How to Train A Husband," that is Newsweek's own editorial spin..the actual title is "What Shamu Taught Me About Life, Love, and Marriage: Lessons for People from Animals and Their Trainers," so all the comments about the title are completely facetious. It IS about spouses, husbands or wives, of course, since the author is a woman, she is talking about her experiences with her husband, but it is not a man-bashing book at all.

    However, it seems that so many bitter women-hating men are just looking for a reason, any reason to spew their sexist hatred and pitiable insecurities without bothering to really find out what the entire story is, or to even find out the actual title of the book, let alone read it. It really is a pretty harmless book, and hardly worth getting your BVDs in a bunch over.

    What's truly disturbing is not the idea of using animal-training techniques on your spouse (be it male or female)...no, what is truly disturbing is the amount of hateful vitriol and demonization of women in general. One has to pity such bleak souls so consumed and filled with hatred and bitterness

    • Posted By: Anir @ 02/14/2008 11:34:39 PM

      Misogyny is a thing of the past. What exists today is misoandry.

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 7:39:38 PM

        Anir, for future reference, that's misandry. Misoandry is the irrational hatred of macrobiotic food (LOL).

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/14/2008 7:09:13 PM

      We are not misogynists (woman-haters), and we aren tired of being diagnosed by Misandrists (man-haters). If you equate your relationship with your husband to training a "dolphin" or a "pidgeon", you are
      revealing something very pathological about youyr view of men.

      • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/14/2008 11:04:54 PM

        That should read "are tired of being diadnosed" and "very pathological about your view of men".

  • Posted By: Calcoaster68 @ 02/15/2008 2:56:18 AM

    Offhand I have not read the book, but the way it is being presented by Newsweek, I could see how it would turn into a game of finger pointing and who is right and who is wrong. Personally I'm a little tired of having men generalized. We all are individuals. How one man behaves isn't the way all men behave. So we don't do exactly what a woman wants. Do all women out there do exactly what a man wants? That's what fuels comedians takes on male and female behaviour. That's what endears one with the other. If both accept each others faults, and not force them into something that only one person is going to be happy with, then maybe there wouldn't be so many divorces out in the world. It's called mutual respect. I'm a perfectly capale male that can wipe myself and do my own chores. Maybe more men should show that they can take care of themselves. It's in our DNA to be what we are. That's the reason why women have more complex emotion than men. I'm fine with having simple thoughts. I know it keeps me from going too crazy in an already crazy world. Men, let the women have their entitlement to act like women. Women, let the men have theri entitlement to act like men. Would you love someone more if there was no challenge. I think that's what drives both seses anyway.

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 7:05:22 PM

      I agree with this posting very much Cal. It reminds me of the lousy steretypes of men that ad agencies have been over-using for the past several years: GEICO's "It's so easy a caveman can do it." Capital One's half-crazed, idiot dads taking their families on vacations from hell,etc.,etc.

  • Posted By: payne86 @ 02/15/2008 8:34:10 AM

    Ever heard of Applied Behavior Analysis (i.e. the application of behavior analytic techniques to humans and other applied settings). Please do not give this woman credit for stealing other people's work in a field that has a long history of real research. Stop giving her attention. If she did any research, she would realize that she is merely using the most basic techniques of a field that is well established (not to mention using incorrect terminology). Dog training is merely an extension of behavior analysis. At least she gives Skinner some credit, yet she seems to take way to much credit of her own. I cannot believe this woman is getting a movie deal.

    • Posted By: NormL33 @ 02/15/2008 6:57:18 PM

      You are correct! Do not forget to give credit to Ivan Pavlov as well. Pavlov is immediately associated with dogs, while B.F. Skinner's immediate association is to the rat. This is one reason for the anger reaction Amy Sutherland has provoked.

    • Posted By: philmjr @ 02/15/2008 9:24:02 AM

      Stating that this author stole someone elses ideas is quite harsh. Though I haven't read the book, it seems quite apparent from just the title of the book, "What Shamu taught me about Life, Love, and Marriage", that she is simply writing about her own life experiences. I doubt that she makes any claims that this idea of positive reinforcment was her sole discovery, so nothing is stolen or plagiarized. Think of all the various intellectual angles we might miss out on if a given topic were only allowed to be addressed by a single individual. Many people have the same ideas on any issue or topic, just because one person my publish their ideas first doesn't mean all the subsuquent authors are stealing anything.

  • Posted By: tulcak @ 02/11/2008 4:18:19 AM

    excuse me, what about wife training, train them to not rattle on incessantly when you are out for a walk, to not take 2 hours to "get ready" to go somewhere, to not fiddle with their purse, bags, or whatever else they have in their hands, to not nag, to not expect the husband to "make plans" to go somewhere, to quit acting like a child who needs constant care.

    • Posted By: Single&loving it @ 02/14/2008 3:40:51 PM

      I think that this is all very funny. Some of the heated comments made me laugh out loud. Some men especially are getting very upset. However, people are generalizing too much. If someone agrees with the article and then says that her husband helps her around the house, why does another man have to take it personally. Is it beacause he is not helping? If a woman or man is having a problem with their husband or wife and sees this book as a last resort to resolving their problem, then let them be. if you are not having problems with your spouse they why were you even reading the article. Don't take everything so personally. Also I must say that men usually are the ones who don't listen even when the woman asks nicely several times. Maybe that was the author's experience that led her to experiment. Again this does not apply to all men.

      • Posted By: prisoner24601 @ 02/15/2008 4:16:25 PM

        Don't be so stupid and act like you don't understand, get it through your head that a lot of the angry men would probably have agreed with you about taking this too seriously 10 to 20 yrs ago. I know I would have, but now after a couple of decade of this free male bashing, many of us are tired of. Yes I know this means I was stupid too back then and for that I aplogize to men out there. People like me who 20 or even 10 years ago went alogn and did not protest when people were angaging in male bashing are now seeing the result of your innication, so yes now, I will say something when it happens.

  • Posted By: wiscogirl1105 @ 02/15/2008 3:18:05 PM

    This just cracks me up. The idea of it is humerous, and I have to admit, tempting, but seriously, what's really terrible about all this is that we are drawn to stereotyping and generalizing. Not ALL MEN are messy and inconsiderate, just like not ALL WOMEN are self-centered and over emotional. I think we need to give members of both sexes more credit than we have been. Guys, you do what you can and you treat your women well because you love them. Ladies, you do what you can and treat your men well because you love them. If we could all just do that, we wouldn' t have to argue about such primal, acenine things like this.


    I just have to say, that I catergorize myself as a feminist, but some of these comments make me want to cringe. Ladies, we cannot be so afraid of losing ground that we refuse to budge. All relationships are give and take. Ladies, we cannot just be takers. We have to give as well. We cannot expect any sort of equality in this society with out being willing to give up an inch so that we can move a mile...not alone just as women, but together as a SOCIETY. We both live here. Lets both improve it.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/15/2008 2:51:10 PM

    Oh I forgot to mention that I had breast enhancements. I think that did the trick and now my husband is very well trained. I have to thank my doctor from finestimplants.com Thanks Jerry. Now my husband basically does what ever I want.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 02/15/2008 2:40:58 PM

    I finally got my husband him to get rid of the eyesore in the driveway. I went to AutoGiver.com and he donated his 'baby' junker car and we got $$$$ tax credit. I think this training thing works. The car was sitting in the driveway for 8 years.

  • Posted By: Dford @ 02/15/2008 12:58:26 PM

    Comment: Chicks86 - you feminists are a joke and I am LAUGHING OUT LOUD at your feeble agenda. Has napping all day with your 14 cats and Oprah in the background made you this opressive? Sounds like you have no luck with men. C'mon tell us your sob story we all need a good laugh today!

  • Posted By: thefish @ 02/14/2008 1:26:09 PM

    As a man, I resent the fact that I should be "trained like Shamu." I understand that I have responsibilities to my wife and home, and I don't need her to dangle a fish in front of me do get me to do it. Women want to be in charge and in control, and as men we are letting this happen. Marriage is to be a partnership, not a wife tricking her husband to pick up his socks. Men are supposed to be the leaders of the household as well as serve and prtoect our family. We have given up our masculinity because Dr. Phil or Oprah tell women that's how it should be. Boys grow up afraid to act like men because it may offend someone. How sad has American culture become. We have become wimpy men and overbearing women. And yes, I think women want to have their cake and eat it too. They want the manly man when it's convenient for them, then tuck him away and get back the submissive sucker that lets them rule the world.

    • Posted By: tboneisme @ 02/15/2008 12:35:12 PM

      Marriage is a "partnership", but as a man, you are supposed to be the "leader"???? HA! Not only do you make no sense, you are a sexist moron. What is truly sad about American culture is that there are still people with views as sexist and antiquated as yours.

  • Posted By: amv76 @ 02/14/2008 12:38:02 PM

    There is no double standard - it would work the same way for men to apply the methods. Are the males incapable of using the ideas just because of the title? Draw from it what your intelligence allows...
    If you do want your "woman to wear sexier clothes and make you breakfast every day" try rewarding her behavior by, (giving her a fish) picking up your clothes off the floor.

    • Posted By: RodBickles @ 02/15/2008 12:18:40 PM

      The sexes are equally manipulable. The double standard is that a woman can publish a book about training a man this way.

      Getting rid of the book won't get rid of the manipulation, though. The problem with the book is that it's another $20 bundle of false hopes.

  • Posted By: RodBickles @ 02/15/2008 11:18:23 AM

    Women who are frustrated by relationships like to indulge in this kind of fantasy. "Men are stupid animals.". Does that fell good? Then, let's say it again!.

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