Gotta love the double standards. The response to this book should be titled "How to Get Her Back in the Kitchen", of course it'd be met by outrage by any feminist group, because ya know, only men are sexist. Sexist women? Inconceivable.
Gotta love the double standards. The response to this book should be titled "How to Get Her Back in the Kitchen", of course it'd be met by outrage by any feminist group, because ya know, only men are sexist. Sexist women? Inconceivable.
Sweeeet, I love American society, you can only be racist if you're white, and sexist if you're male.
I will start off by saying that I am a woman, married, and I am extremely offended by this and the double standard. I can already hear the cries of "Sexist!, Neanderthal!, Backwards!, Just Plain Mean!" had the book said something like, "If you're wife happens to cook dinner one night without being asked, reward her with lots of praise, or a tasty fish", or "Don't nag if your wife doesn't have your laundry clean and folded. Trainers call this Least Reinforcing Scenario". This has nothing to do with "lightening up" and has everything to do with "who it is okay to 'pick on'" in today's society, and that would be "white males", who this is obviously targetting, as they are the only males who would even considering "taking" this kind of treatment.
sarafiagn, would you be so complacent if this were a book on how to train one's wife to be a more obedient housewife and accept her subservient role without complaining? The book is a reasonable idea, but it's written so as to be as blatantly sexist as possible, which is why it offends people.
I think that it is really interesting that so many men have posted such negative comments! Lighten up! After all, the article admits that: "In fact, she was the one who wound up being retrained, as she taught herself not to take her husband's actions personally, and not to react when he did things that annoyed her".
I really don't mind the methods described here at all, It's the intent that I don't like. For example, it's perfectly fine that she's considerate of the other person's ego when she complements them on their original idea and asks for others. The problem is that she does it with the intent to manipulate them. It shows she doesn't consider them as an equal. Frankly I can't see any difference between her view that men are animals that one should train, and the view that women are frail incompetents fit only to stay at home doing menial chores. The entire book is vulgarly sexist, and the fact that it hasn't been panned as such speaks volumes about how women are immune to accusations of sexism in our society.
I really don't mind the methods described here at all, It's the intent that I don't like. For example, it's perfectly fine that she's considerate of the other person's ego when she complements them on their original idea and asks for others. The problem is that she does it with the intent to manipulate them. It shows she doesn't consider them as an equal. Frankly I can't see any difference between her view that men are animals that one should train, and the view that women are frail incompetents fit only to stay at home doing menial chores. The entire book is vulgarly sexist, and the fact that it hasn't been panned as such speaks volumes about how women are immune to accusations of sexism in our society.
If you have a trick for men, just keep it to yourself. If my wife sees this and trys this on me I would be very angry. pay attn. to your own relationship and leave everyone else OUT!. Dont spread your opinion on other people. Life is about making choices, both male and female need to make their own choices, NOT YOUR CHOICE. SO GO RATTLE YOUR POTS AND PANS< or do whatever you do and leave the rest of us alone!!!!
Blatant misandry. Ask yourself how the feminists would react if the genders were reversed. They'd be picketing outside Newsweek and Newsweek would be apologizing. I got news for you: men are startinng to wake-up to the rampant male bashing. And you ain't gonna like the boycotss and anrgy letters.
Yup...Just like in Animal Farm..some animals are more equal than others....
men cant picket because we are too busy earning a living to support kids and home and x'es .
Amen, brother. Men don't have much time to bellyache about being victims, but let's face it -- we are not treated well in popular culture. But I'll bet the damn feminists liked us a lot better before we got the Internet and realized how badly we're mistreated! Finally men are awakening to the male bashing.
Train your husband? I didn't even bother reading this junk, judging from the title I knew exactly where I stand on this subject. Men are not animals, we're human beings, and we're all different. Coach as much as you want, at the end of the day, you can't change jack about someone...and really if you had to go through this whole process to coach someone to change their habits, why bother wasting your time with them in the first place? Why should you go through the process of changing someone for who they aren't when they can't even change themselves? For the author of this book and waste of a time study, i'd have to say, seriously get a real job. At least something logical and humanitary that people can relate to in a positive manner, instead of promoting more conniving manipulating behavior. Just garbage.
Shouldn't have married the guy? You will NEVER find someone that never ever does any thing to piss you off. For that reason, I agree that one should go about positively reinforcing their spouse, (however it might work better on men because many women tend to listein and respond better to issues). While not earthshattering, this article is great. Im going to try this postive reinforcement idea. ATTN WOMEN: Dont listein to the men's comments, they're just afraid they'll finally have to start picking up after themselves!
You are right. Odds are there is no one out there that will do nothing to make you mad. But you need to decide if what he does do is that big of a deal. If it is, you shouldn't marry him. There is nothing wrong with saying thank you when a guy does something you like. I always compliment my significant other when she does something I like. What this book is suggesting is cold blooded manipulation. The use of positive feedback to achieve a desired result. Not as a compliment. It is, to me, a violation of trust so severe as to almost be equal with cheating.
That's right. You tell 'em! ;o)
Unfortunately, you send like the gold digger type. There are women that think that just because they have a nice body, they can get their boyfriend/husband to do anything they want. As a reward for his good behavior, you will go horizontal for him.
You're the kind of woman that truly disgusts me! You will use sex & a "fish" to get what you want.
I feel sorry for your boyfriend. Who knows, maybe he will get the last laugh.
lol you're full of ***!
some of the most dirty,nasty rooms I have ever been in belonged to women, not only men, so you must not have any friends either. good luck in lonelyland. oh listein is spelled LISTEN.
You femmies just keep your manipulation tricks going. It won't be on this dude, though. I am single and happy for it. I don't need any woman conditioning my house habits. As a man, I am proud of who I am and what I stand for. I am perfectly content to make my own meals, clean my own home, etc. And, as far as sex goes, well, i'd rather be sex-free than hounded about picking up socks and all those other stupid idiotic excuses that this *** of a woman makes about men. Is sex really that important, guys? I mean you have a species who can't do anything for one week out of the month. Then, you have to put up with manipulating bullshit. Wake up and get some testicles. BTW, somebody needs to take that "man" of hers, and kick the
living *** out of him for being a roll-over to a dominant *** that can't handle her own place/sexual orientation in life. Now, you little femmies can train your guns on this post, and call me all you want. I don't give a ***, because I won't be back on to read your mindless bullshit. I am going to make me some popcorn. It's better to be asexual than to live with a manipulative ***. . Just don't get involved with 'em, guys. Once you find that sex is nothing but a form of control that they use on you, then you'll realize that you are being conned. Now to you femmie shamus: Let those insults fly!! BTW, goodbye. LOL
Have fun with that!
To those offended at being compared to animals: You ARE an animals, you CAN be trained in the same ways listed in this article. Sorry you had to discover it this way. Operant conditioning is based on science. Go back to psychology class. In fact, think of how most of us try to modify behavior...it's usually by nagging, yelling, getting angry. I know I would prefer to learn by having my desired behavior reinforced with something I like such as praise, money, chocolate... if something is reinforced, it is going to happen again. Punishment is no fun. So stop watching Cesar Millan and start using positve reinforcement on your kids! Based on the temper tantrums I have seen in the grocery store, they could use a little training!
Wow. You, my friend, are so smart. I love the way that you put it... "We ARE animals..." it just sends shivers down my spine. I could read it over and over again, just to get that exhileration!!! Man, thank you for posting that comment, I love it!
Do you feel empowered? Have i stroked your fragile ego? I employed some positive reinforcement to make you feel so good about yourself, and I hope it worked. Now you are probably angry, am I right? Interesting how emotions play such a key role in understanding one another. We are much more than animals, for we are able to show such powerfull emotions (such as anger). I'm guessing you are a pschology major/graduate/teacher, and I am sure you know much more than I about psychology. As such, I cannot argue with you on a level field. But, we as humans have something that separates us from animals, which is a soul. Even the most learned pschologists agree that the human psyche is much too complex to be compartmentalized in a physical entity. I think YOU should do some research.
We ARE NOT animals! We are mammals and we "as humans" (Men and Women) are neurologically superior to the "animals" that are being suggested. It's insulting!
I do not know what Psych class you took, but I do not remember someone telling me when I toss meat, or a ball to go fetch it. You may do that, but us humans do not. My Minor is in psychology, talking about animals and humans is similar, but different in many ways.
The Female Rules
1. The Female always makes THE RULES.
2. THE RULES are subject to change without notice.
3. No Male can possibly remember all THE RULES.
4. If the Female suspects the Male REMEMBERED Any of THE RULES, she must immediately change SOME or ALL of THE RULES.
5. The Female is never WRONG.
6. If it appears the Female is wrong, it is because of a flagrant misunderstanding caused by something the Male did or said something wrong.
7. If Rule #6 applies, the Male must apologize immediately for causing the misunderstanding.
8. The Female can change her mind at any time.
9. The Male must never change his mind without the express written consent of The Female.
10. The Female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
11. The Male must remain calm at all times, unless the Female wants him to be angry or upset.
Wow... lol should we start making rules now?
Hmmm Well this is not my idea how anyone should be treating anyone else. I hate being patronized and I pick up on it very quickly. If a woman tries to give me a compliment for a very menial task I become suspicious of her reasons. I read a book by Gary Chapman titled "The Five Love Languages". Quality Time, Words of Affirmation, Gifts, Acts of Service, and Physical Touch are listed as the five love languages. I can see that those of the Words of Affirmation language will accept this method of encouragement. I doubt that any of the others will accept it. I dated a girl who was Words of Affirmation for two years and in the end were not compatible. I could not bring myself to give her empty praise. I felt like I would have been patronizing her.
If you love the person you are with, love them for who they are. People don't change much and if they do it won't be enough by this method of treats. If you use this method of treats behind their back and they find out you've been trying to manipulate them, you may just lose someone you love forever.
If you can't live with a certain behavior I would suggest that you set aside a time for a serious discussion. Don't wait until you get angry enough to start yelling because that won't let him know that you are serious. He may think that you are angry at something else and just venting over something he considers trivial. Give him the truth. Either change or get of my life. It the problem isn't worth dumping him over, tell him that it's annoying and let him decide whether to continue annoying you or change. Or you could always bribe him with his favorite dinner, or whatever works but don't try to change him behind his back. You will lose his respect.
For anyone interested in positive reinforced behavior techniques that can be used daily in our lives from our children, bosses, husbands, wives, or as written for, "our pets"... A must read wonderful book not mentioned here is "Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor??? she also based allot of her training applications by her studies of B.F. Skinner???s work.
Oh, one more amazing book for understanding animal behavior I have found interesting, entertaining and helpful would be ???Think Dog by John Fisher???.
There are numerous wonderful books written on positive reinforcement behavioral techniques, but over the twenty plus years I have been training animals, these two have been by far my favorites.
And for anyone serious about learning; one of the leading authorities on Dog Behavior and positive reinforced training is Dr. Ian Dunbar. Veterinarian and animal behaviorist, Dr. Ian Dunbar is Director of the Center for Applied Animal Behavior, Founder of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers and host of the popular British TV series Dogs with Dunbar. Ian is the author of numerous books and videos including Dog Behavior, Sirius Puppy Training and Dog Training For Children.
I hope this information proves helpful to someone looking for answers.
I believe that while we can make an impact using positive reinforced methods for daily interactions in our lives with animals and people; there are behavioral issues that can not be fixed with these methods. For anyone suffering in an abusive relationship, or if you have animals with temperament issues, good positive reinforced strategies may help manage these issues, but not fix them. I do strongly recommend seeking out advice from professional sources in instances such as these.
For more information on abuse please visit: http://www.ndvh.org/educate/abuse_quiz.html
For anyone interested in positive reinforced behavior techniques that can be used daily in our lives from our children, bosses, husbands, wives, or as written for, "our pets"... A must read wonderful book not mentioned here is "Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor??? she also based allot of her training applications by her studies of B.F. Skinner???s work.
Oh, one more amazing book for understanding animal behavior I have found interesting, entertaining and helpful would be ???Think Dog by John Fisher???.
There are numerous wonderful books written on positive reinforcement behavioral techniques, but over the thirty plus years I have been training animals, these two have been by far my favorites.
And for anyone serious about learning; one of the leading authorities on Dog Behavior and positive reinforced training is Dr. Ian Dunbar. Veterinarian and animal behaviorist, Dr. Ian Dunbar is Director of the Center for Applied Animal Behavior, Founder of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers and host of the popular British TV series Dogs with Dunbar. Ian is the author of numerous books and videos including Dog Behavior, Sirius Puppy Training and Dog Training For Children.
I hope this information proves helpful to someone looking for answers.
I believe that while we can make an impact using positive reinforced methods for daily interactions in our lives with animals and people; there are behavioral issues that can not be fixed with these methods. For anyone suffering in an abusive relationship, or if you have animals with temperament issues, good positive reinforced strategies may help to " manage" these issues, but not fix them. I do strongly recommend seeking out advice from professional sources in instances such as these.
For more information on abuse please visit: http://www.ndvh.org/educate/abuse_quiz.html
I'm sorry to say it but a large quantity of American women -like the writer of this book- aren't happy and are frustrated. But as we know, the more S... arrives to a publisher that makes news the better it is: brings money in. It's us that shouldn't give a D... about it. But... God bless the women that have brain and are sincere: they deserve all the best from life and from men. As we say in Italian: Viva la donna intelligente! I'm only sorry that tomorrow the news will travel the World and as we know the World once more will think that the Americans are lost...
Wow...and I do mean WOW. This theory has been around for a long time. Treat a spouse like a dog, give them a treat for a trick well done and they will love you forever. My husband and I rescue dogs so obviously that theory does not work. There are women out there that do the same for men treated like a house pet. My husband and I have been married 30 years. No leashes, dog treats, or games in this house and guess what, it works. It takes caring, loving and a heck of a lot of patience but two people should not toss a treat to each other for a "job well done." We are from the 70's, so we are not necessarily of the "old school" of beliefs. We have come through alot and taught our children to work through their life problems, own them, fix them, and move forward. This approach pretty much says "If you want something, find a way to get it without actually being honest." I am aware this author is selling her writing on the fact that some people will hate it. Problem is some people will try to actually apply it. So, we shall rescue dogs that run from such insults and find new homes for them as will the women out there that have the self respect to say "pick up the socks." PERIOD. No "pick up the socks and come to a nice dinner"or "thank you for picking up the socks so here is sex." Simply. "Pick up your darn socks and by the way if you leave razor hair in the sink again you get to clean the bathroom next time." Sorry, but honesty works, at least in this house and has for 30 years. For the record, Sex is great and I don't trade it for housecleaning, laundry or "baby you look great in that outfit." Have a super time selling your book. By the way, what is your husbands name so I know what to call him when we rescue him from the shelter?
I took an hour to read all of the reactions and I came to this conclusion: We all agree that positive reinforcement is a good thing, so what has us mad? It looks like the only thing offending us ladies is her wording. "How to train a husband." and "Want an obedient spouse? A new book says you should coach them like animals." We want to be equal, not inferior... I think it's as simple as this.
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