How to Train a Husband

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  • Posted By: napst10 @ 02/17/2008 11:13:53 PM

    Shameful. News media outlets and publications go out of their way to publish inane, crap like this sexist BS to get reactions and perhaps ratings of some sort. I am not blaming this crazy, feminist author for her skewed views on relationships, I am blaming Newsweek for publishing crap like this, knowing its offensive and plain rediculous. Newsweeks desperation for readership is very apparent when one gives attention to someone or something as rediculous as this. Well, I guess some publication has to pick up the slack left by the now defunct Weekly World News!!!

  • Posted By: idv713 @ 02/17/2008 11:12:28 PM

    prblem with american women is that the idea of marrige is far more important than the shmuck they accept. the ones to blame is those men that tuck their tails between thier legs and get locked out of HIS house. those type of men lose the value of manhood and desrve it.american women need to take notes from thier european counterparts and understand that men dont want to be with a nagging mean grandma.women killed shillvery and breadwinning alpha males need to make a comeback! dont get discourage men, theres women to spoil in europe,asia and most of all the balkins.bring all these golddigging spoiled american women to the middle east and try to treat men there like an animal and observe what becomes the outcome.so to the ladies believe in this silly yahoo article just be a lot more appriecatted to the suckers paying your bills and dont corrupt the last of quality women left in america.

  • Posted By: junfanjohn @ 02/17/2008 10:32:52 PM

    I beat the hell out of my ex for treating me like this, had to go to "cdvip" for a year, you know what they taught me? Empathy! Walk in the others shoes! Treating someone like a dog is only going to make them angry. You have to try to understand why your spouse doesn't want to do something instead of coaxing them to do it.

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 10:48:55 PM

      There's a such thing as just being plain LAZY, and that's the only reason he won't do what he's asked. Trust me...

      • Posted By: junfanjohn @ 02/17/2008 11:09:49 PM

        I agree

  • Posted By: Mattm6913 @ 02/17/2008 11:07:11 PM

    This sounds fantastic! I have always wished I could somehow train my mate to stop with those annoying outbursts, or to stop hovering over me while I am trying to get work done. A normal day for me is comming home from a hard day at work to constant hissy fits, nagging and general annoyance. Now I can try to impliment these techniques to try to train my mate into an animalistic rutine of pleasing my every want...Oh, and by the way Sutherland, this theory applies to women as well right? Because that would be great if I could just ignore my wife when she goes on one of her tirades, or train her like a dog to please me constantly. I am so sick of her annoying habits, and I finally found a way to cure her from her from all that for my benefit. Thank you so much for your painstaking research on the matter!

    By the way, this is completely sarcastic. I love my wife beyond measure, and i would gladly put up with her "tirades" for an eternity...It seems that you, Sutherland, do not feel the same way about your husband.

  • Posted By: the_end_times @ 02/17/2008 10:42:42 PM

    Oh, how funny! I suppose this sort of "S and M" control is about as close as the uninitiated, (or uncreative) can get to Classical Conditioning without resorting to electric shocks. I imagine that this conditioning approach IS effective on a certain type of person, especially one who trusts you unconditionally. Assuming you get caught, however, this trust relationship is violated. And for the price of a momentary victory (huzzah! Socks are off the floor!!) you lose something priceless, and the basis of a truly intimate relationship has been thrown aside for a short-term petty control. Grats on your "Groundbreaking" book lady, I can hardly wait to pick-up the newly divorced women your method will create. They'll make wonderful additions to my life as fresh notches on my bedpost, and I'll be sure to repay them ten-fold for all the childish manipulations you've pandered to them.

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 11:06:50 PM

      I could train my husband like a dog all day, and he'd never divorce me. Trust me....

  • Posted By: SmuddyHD @ 02/17/2008 10:37:19 PM

    Thanks for the enlightening viewpoint you share of your husband. I found it intriguing and may try some of those simple tactics on my wife. After all what's good for the goose must be good for the gander. I personally think you would be much more effectively recieved if you didn't use the Man as the only problem in a marriage. Although good advice; it would work better if you treated us as equals and not Pets. I personally don't wear a leash and won't be waylaid by such mental trickery. I Love My Wife and we have been married for a long time but she has her quirks and I have mine! Acceptance and reasonable discussion seem to be an effective tool for us when there is something amiss! Besides I like Milkbonnes and she doesn't!

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 10:41:44 PM

      With my husband, the "reasonable discussion" never produces anything. Sorry ... I think the book is genius for some. I'd buy it.

      • Posted By: outlaw1158 @ 02/17/2008 11:05:08 PM

        For some relationships the article may actually work but I know I listen when she talks. The biggest problem I have is that women NEVER ACTUALLY SAY what is bothering them. You have to figure it out from a thousand little hints. Just say "Honey (or whatever you call him), leaving your socks on the floor really bothers me. Would you please put them in the hamper/washer/whatever." I know everytime I have been told something like that I had no problems doing it.

  • Posted By: psych101 @ 02/17/2008 11:04:58 PM

    The training techniques listed in the article (rewarding desired behavior, ignoring the undesirable ones) are based on proven science. You can't argue that. Read another book Whale Done, and I think most of you will find that operant conditioning IS something we could use more of...I know I would rather be recognized for the things I do right than the things I do wrong. If the reinforcement is good enough I will be more inclined to repeat the rewarded behavior. That's the sum of it. That technique is neither demeaning or sexist.
    I think it's interesting that so many people are offended at being compared to animals. Newsflash, you ARE an animal too.

  • Posted By: MarcyInTexas @ 02/17/2008 10:42:06 PM

    I thought it was hilarious! My husband thought it was pretty funny as well. People train other people all the time, they just don't label it as training or compare the trainee to a dog. Some forget the fact that we are animals, a little smarter than others, but animals just the same. And I find it rather intersting that those who are truly insulted by this article don't seem to know how to spell...

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 11:04:48 PM

      Haha! Thanks for your response. I totally agree. ;o)

  • Posted By: OKcopacetic @ 02/17/2008 11:04:43 PM

    Yes yes-- men are so simple: The Shakespeares, the Chopins, the Hemmingways, the Picassos, the Brandos. Aren't these simpletons so pathetic? You know I think that males born after the, pardon the pun, last major thrust of the feminist movement (the 70's) have mixed feelings about feminism. Sure, women should have equal opportunities in virtually all aspects of their lives as men do. But, these post 70's men (myself included) also feel that there is an unfair double standard in that we were born into a society that had made substantial gains in equality for women yet we are still being preached to about the feminist's ideals. So, if we point out any hypocrisy about the opposite gender we get slammed. For example, this article is sexist as ***! (You must hate women you bastard!) Sure men are so simple???really ladies? If you are a female and you believe this stereotype its because you have difficulty assessing men???their personalities, habits, etc???and find it much more comforting to YOURSELF to draw a proverbial box around men and put the label ???simple??? on it. Just look at the five names mentioned above???and I could have added So many more, Johnny Depp???and it???s clear that men possess much depth and complexity as compared to women. This article is blatantly sexist and I don???t thinks that it is productive in healing the gender inequity that exists. Shame on Amy Sutherland for putty forth this red herring just to make a buck!

  • Posted By: mrtoproducer @ 02/17/2008 10:41:43 PM

    What if a book was titled "How to Train a Wife" This is sad staement to both men & woman. Something to think about?

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 11:04:00 PM

      That would be comical, actually. Why take this stuffl so seriously? Whatever works, use it!

  • Posted By: morrisr5 @ 02/17/2008 11:01:07 PM

    I posted below, but still upset.

    I am a very happily married man (not a pet) for 21 years and have a wonderful loving and respectful wife, I also have three children (all boys) who are going to have to put up with stupid ideas from misguided people like Amy Sutherland. I am very angry about this whole article.

    Please everyone who is upset, direct all of your (not happy) comments towards Newsweek and Yahoo, they are the ones that ran this article, so therefore they are the ones encouraging the sexism against Men.

    If you don't post they won't listen to us.

  • Posted By: outlaw1158 @ 02/17/2008 10:36:24 PM

    To women out there. If I find out I am being manipulated like this article suggest the relationship I am in is over. That instant. I am not a dog. I am not a whale. I am a human being. If you have a problem with something I do, tell me. And if laying the socks on the floor, and other small annoying habits, are such a big deal maybe you shouldn't have married the guy. Odds are he was doing that stuff before you got married. That is after all the point to dating someone first. To hopefully fall in love with someone special and to see if there is anything about them that you just can't tolerate. Not to figure out what it is you don't like about the guy so you can attempt to change him after you get married. If a guy tried to do something like this to his wife you would be trying to skin him alive.

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 10:43:06 PM

      What's really so funny is that you wouldn't even know you were being "manipulated". So don't worry about it.

      • Posted By: outlaw1158 @ 02/17/2008 11:00:37 PM

        True if the woman is good enough at it I would never know but at the same time, none have succeeded yet.

  • Posted By: TimSchaefer @ 02/17/2008 10:28:52 PM

    Here's how to have a man that will do whatever you want and be courteous to your needs:

    Oral Sex.

    Most married women forget this concept even exists shortly after they get married.

    • Posted By: junfanjohn @ 02/17/2008 10:59:20 PM

      It's true, but it's also feeding the stereotype that all men think about is sex... I care less about sex. anyway...

  • Posted By: suppy_sup @ 02/17/2008 10:55:24 PM

    This is ridiculous! Literally bringing husbands down to the level of an untrained and wild animal? Your spouse is an idiotic dog that needs to be trained? What a sickening, horrible abomination of an article! Do you enjoy making people suffer by writing this crap and releasing it on the world? What kind of a sadistic monster are you? It feels like I've had acid poured in my eyes! Please, spare the world of your misery and either stop writing this feministic crap or eat a gallon of lye. Preferably the latter.

    Most Sickening Article of the Year. Y/Y?

    I love how if a man wrote this article about training wives then it would've been considered sexist. I see a huge contradiction, but I doubt you could understand such a painfully simple flaw.

  • Posted By: believer1908 @ 02/17/2008 10:27:19 PM

    And she discovered behaviorism after 1 year of training animals which are much more primitive than a human being? I thought we have sort of moved on back in the 70s. You know, positive and negative reinforcement to a very limited extent. Was it Thorndike or some other big behaviorist that used this same kind of model on his children? Well, his children abandoned him when they grew up. I will have to agree with the other comments on this page. Its advices like this that put the strain on relationships. People read these little columns in cosmopolitan and decide to experiment in their relationship without real understand of underlying theories. My advice, just go with your heart and don't listen to people that had some short-lived 'success'. No relationship is the same and for you to really apply anything will take at least a degree in psych.

    • Posted By: jackdanticatt @ 02/17/2008 10:54:31 PM

      THANK YOU!
      I am getting a PhD in I/O, and I majored in psych. Nonetheless, I thought behaviorism was something even the Everyman knew about. I guess not.
      Either way, I don't see how people are still making $$$ off of this stuff. I suppose they do it by putting some type of controversial spin on it. Pretty clever.

  • Posted By: OhioGal2724 @ 02/17/2008 10:26:54 PM

    I don't think it's terrible to praise someone (be it husband, child, friend) for doing positive things to help at home (dishes, laundry, bed-making). It sure beats screaming, moaning, tantrums and fights. For that matter men could use the same treatment with women, praise for the things they do help you, and not picking fights and arguing! What alternative suggestions do you have? Finger pointing? Accusatons? Fights? I think commond sense tells you to use positive reinforcement for helpful behaviors and trying to ignore or change the things you think you can't live with. That goes for men or women in my opinion.

    • Posted By: outlaw1158 @ 02/17/2008 10:53:12 PM

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with positive feedback for doing something right. What is wrong is manipulation. The examples she gave were all minor things but where does it stop? Also, wouldn't it have been better, say when she was trying to cook, to simply ask her husband to get out of the kitchen or better yet ask him to help? Then it could have become a family thing and a way to come closer together. Instead she puts the salsa on the table so he will leave her alone and then I can almost guarantee at some point she is going to complain about him not paying enough attention to her when what he was doing in the kitchen was trying to be with her.

  • Posted By: morrisr5 @ 02/17/2008 10:45:54 PM

    This is totally stupid. Man bashing again.

    Did you not hate how women were treated in the fifties as dumb airheads?

    Why are you trying to breed sexism, what happened to equal rights, isn't this a petty revenge book for all those decades, equal means equal so stop it grow up and try not to be sexist.

    I believe we should picket you.

    Who approved this? I have sat by and seen men portrayed as fools on comercials, tv shows book and now newsweek, and yahoo, well I'm done just watching, this is stupid, and I bet you that author spent our tax money with some off the wall grant to fund that stupid book.

    If I have to write you 57,000 emails I will.

    Men and Women need to say enough is enough and we need to treat each other with respect.

    • Posted By: junfanjohn @ 02/17/2008 10:52:03 PM

      I agree... Equal rights are slowly being balanced towards women... prepare for a hostile take over, OMG I just had hilary clinton pop in my mind... *** vote obama! lol

  • Posted By: CJS007 @ 02/17/2008 10:50:53 PM

    Anyone who takes this silly little book seriously is a MOST dreadful creature themselves. Just another attempt in today's society to further emasculate men. You have them waxing now, Ken dolls.. they are thisclose to being women now, who wants that? I've been married for 16 years and my husband is my best friend.. the only "training" either one of us needs is self restraint when we come across loons such as yourself. Our sympathies to your pet.. hubby. Poor guy.. You know NOTHING about men.

  • Posted By: Justagirl @ 02/17/2008 10:37:28 PM

    I dont know why any man is being offended by this. If you dont want to be "treated like an animal" or simply be praised for doing a good job, then grow up and stop treating your wifes like mom's, (i.e picking up after you, cooking, cleaning, etc). Im not a feminist but men take advantage of women and its about time we take a stand. Its not about finding this "perfect man" to marry, its about helping your man be an ADULT!

    • Posted By: tedario.edmond @ 02/17/2008 10:48:57 PM

      You must be a victim, huh!! growing up would be letting the past go and give everyone a chance, and making other people pay for the mistakes someone else has made is immature and selfish.

    • Posted By: outlaw1158 @ 02/17/2008 10:42:15 PM

      I read your article and in general I have to agree with what you say. A lot of the habits mentioned do have to do with being an adult but at the same time, but the guy in question was undoubtedly doing those things before he got married. I know I would be pissed if I found out my wife was manipulating me in such a fashion. I would instantly get a divorce. I don't expect her to change her bahavior and if she was expecting me to change who I am she should have married someone else.

    • Posted By: junfanjohn @ 02/17/2008 10:42:03 PM

      You don't think it happens the other way around... we take offense because of the idea behind it. If I treat you like a dog, are you going to like it? Things work both ways.

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 10:39:59 PM

      Amen to that!

  • Posted By: Bethie1980 @ 02/17/2008 10:33:47 PM

    To be quite honest about this I have never been so offended as a woman in my life. To even think about doing what this author asks is complete bull*hit!!! No one deserves to be treated in such a manner and it makes me feel disgusted just to be a woman. If you and your spouse can't get along without you treating him like a dog, then get a divorce and call it even. There is no excuse whatsoever for someone to demean another human being like this. I don't know why in the world the publishers would allow this book to even get past a first read, but in my opinion they need to be informed on the ignorance that they have published and how stupid it makes them look. Unfortunately in today's society, the more of a fuss you make over a controversial item, the more it sells no matter what kind of crap it is. All I can say is SO SORRY MEN...not every woman is like this brainless twit that calls herself a writer.

    • Posted By: carlyzmom @ 02/17/2008 10:47:43 PM

      The men who were being "demeaned" wouldn't even know it anyway. Not even worth venting about...

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