Although I'm not a Huckabee supporter, it's his decision as to how long he stays in the race. It's also the responsibility of each voter to decide when "Enough is enough," and when it's time to abandon a losing candidate.
CAMPAIGN 2008
A Fly in the Ointment?
Not so, says Mike Huckabee, who outlines his reasons for remaining the GOP race.
Feb 9, 2008 | Updated: 4:13 p.m. ET Feb 9, 2008
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Posted By: dopelgangerA @ 02/23/2008 11:02:36 AM
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Posted By: BobSupplies @ 02/21/2008 5:04:42 PM
Romney was on McCain's tail when he dropped out... Huckabee may not become President, but at least he's not a loser!!!
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Posted By: Leslie Sz @ 02/10/2008 6:47:27 PM
About erasing the Hard drives: no data is lost because the backups are still available. So if anyone suggests, it is about hiding something, cannot be more wrong.
I am an IT expert, and I can tell, that sometimes the way to repair a corrupted operation system is to backup the data, erase the disk, and reinstall everything. In some cases this is much faster, and definitely more secure, then trying to remove the uninvited programs.
Antivirus and other security programs are always a step behind the enemy, they never provide 100% security. The unlucky users gets their computer infected with viruses and spy programs before a protection, or solution to remove them exists. I have valuable source codes and other sensitive business data on my computer, so believe me, I care about protecting my computer a lot. Yet, I had to reinstall everything because of an infection which no available security software was able to deal with. After having spent a lot of time on trying to remove it, I had to realize, that I could have been back doing my job for a long time, if I had simply reinstalled the computer.
If there is an office wide computer net and a single computer remains infected, it may reinfect the whole system.
So the point is that you may have a law forbidding to delete the HHDs, but in real life there are situations, when that is the only way to get the computers back to work within reasonable time. And in some cases, that may be the only way to fix a security problem.
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Posted By: EscapeToday @ 02/10/2008 11:21:22 PM
You know that Huckabee had all the hard drives ground up for computers used by the state in his organization when he left office. There was no backup. If there was a backup they were destroyed also. Dig a little deeper to understand the man behind the curtain.
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Posted By: Leslie Sz @ 02/13/2008 7:38:22 PM
EscapeToday , probably you will not read this after so many days, but my post was not excepted for such a long time, that I thought it will never be. It was an accident that I came back..
Since you have suggested that I am not aware of the exact details of the story ??? and rightly so ??? but you are, I am certain that you have made 100% sure that you have a reliable source which provided you all the important details before you would make such an accusation. Would you share with me your exact source?-
Posted By: Leslie Sz @ 02/14/2008 5:46:34 AM
Must have picked the wrong suggestion from the spellchecker :excepted = accepted
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Posted By: Leslie Sz @ 02/13/2008 8:34:05 PM
OK, I was wrong about the situtation, the purpose was to destroy the data, so the backups were destroyed too. But this is not unusual at all. And all the legal accusations were dismissed by the judge. You know what, it is quite obvious that the democrats did everything in their power to kill his popularity. After the way Huckabee was treated by them it is really no surprise what he did.
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Posted By: normalperson @ 02/09/2008 7:15:11 PM
Mike Huckabee's ONLY support is from right-wing evangelicals. The GOP is plain tired of the evangelicals and their literal "hijacking" of the party. As a consequence, the most qualified and conservative candidate is not in the race. Why? Because he happens to be a Mormon. Isn't that a shame? Think about this: When was the last time you saw those "cultish Mormons" personally attack another person because of their beliefs? In contrast, how often do you hear evangelicals say, "No, I'd never vote for a Mormon..." Compare the BEHAVIOR of evangelicals to the BEHAVIOR of the Mormons and you'll see a big difference. Which type of behavior best represents American principles--freedom of thought and religion? Sad.
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Posted By: badgers4ever @ 02/09/2008 8:18:57 PM
The only time I see Mormons is when they knock on my door and almost relentlessly try to convert me. I am not sure about their character, but I have been overall less impressed than you.
Romney had every right to believe his Mormon faith. After all, it is a free country. So, I will freely add my view that Romney???s Mormon faith hurt him more than anything. Many do not take kindly to Mormon revisionism of Biblical history. This is the one view he needed to ???flip-flop??? on to seek to gain the trust of the masses who find his faith absolutely phony. He instead stayed true to his Latter Day Saints roots???choosing a fake religion derived from made up writings by Mormon founders. Could we trust his judgement on other matters?
In a decade of political activity that precedes, he has chosen to flip-flop on an assortment of political issues for political gain. Will the real Mitt Romney please stand up? Or, at least, I would suggest he take a serious look at his phony religion and realize not everyone is as easily taken to it.-
Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 10:04:13 PM
Flip-flop = inverse if you were looking for a diff. word to use.
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/10/2008 2:14:53 AM
Too bad for you, "badgers4ever", Romney's religion is true. I've actually read and studied from The Book of Mormon, a lot!; meaning I'm not ignorant of what it actually teaches. And, I can look anyone in the eye and tell them that I've actually asked God if the book is true, ie, is it scripture from Him. His answer? Yes, it is true. God told me this, not once, but twice. No, I didn't "misinterpret" His answer, either. Mitt knows it as well and THAT is why he didn't waver on his religion. "How can that be", you ask, "that something so widely despised and rejected could possibly be the work of God?" You must not know the Bible very well.
Just about every prophet of God was ridiculed, despised, abused, ignored.....you name it, if it was bad, they probably suffered it. The ultimate example of "truth" being right under their nose and it was ignored? Oh, I don't know, what about when Christ walked the earth? They recognized Him so well they nailed him to a cross.....
Go to lds.org or mormon.org if you want to know more.
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Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/10/2008 10:07:59 PM
Good, you know what you are talking about then "Twister52". I would like to proposition you to read the following article and attempt to explain and defend your faith after doing so.
The Mormons believe that after the apostles had died that their followers changed their teaching, and not until Joseph Smith received his vision in 1820 was the apostolic teaching restored. This would mean that the gates of hell had prevailed against the Church for almost two millenniums. This is contrary to what Jesus had promised in Matthew 16:18, plus it makes the apostles failures in trying to establish the first disciples after them. According to the Latter Day Saints, we are suppose to believe that the Mormons knew the true apostolic teaching more than the disciples who heard their teaching first hand. I don???t buy it, and neither should you.
Let us examine Joseph Smith???s vision. He claimed that when he was fourteen he asked God which church he should join and he said God the Father and Jesus Christ both appeared to him and told him not to join any of them. They supposedly said, "Join none of them, for they were wrong; and all their creeds were an abomination in His sight." Wow! Mormons cry foul when Christians point out their errors; they claim to be persecuted, but remember, it was their founder who claimed that all Christian churches were wrong and their creeds an abomination.
During the next ten years, Joseph claimed that other heavenly messengers appeared to him, including the angel, Moroni. Through these messengers He was told that he was the Elijah to come and eventually claimed to be given authority to restore the true church, and on April 6, 1830 he founded his church. How can we judge these visions as true or false? Simply, by looking into the Word of God. First of all, what about the claim that he was the Elijah to come? Jesus already told us that Elijah came.
"But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist. (Matt 17:12-13)
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/12/2008 10:12:14 AM
You also said that if Christ's church had failed then that makes the apostles and their disciples failures as well. Not so. Why not? Because the truth is, what our loving mothers and fathers, etc, taught us about "failure" when we were young is true. That is, "when we fail at a thing, we fail at a THING". We may fail at trying something, but are we "failures" or "losers"? No, nothing could be further from the truth though the world would largely have us believe otherwise. Did God "fail" when He cleansed the earth during the flood of Noah? Did God "fail" when it became required to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah? Surely God did not fail, but the people who chose not to follow His commandments did.
You also said that Christ was refering to John the Baptist as, quote, "Elijah" in Mathew 17:12-13. The King James version says Christ used the name "Elias" to refer to the Baptist. Meaning? Yes, "Elias", ie, John the Baptist had indeed come but Joseph Smith never, ever claimed that he was "Elias" (John the Baptist). However, read Malachi 4:5-6 and you will see that God promised that "Elijah", the great prophet of the Old Testament who was taken into Heaven on a chariot of fire, would return to the earth someday. He has in fact returned and visted the prophet Joseph Smith on April 3rd, 1836 and restored to the earth once again the "sealing", or eternally binding powers, of God's priesthood. (see the Latter-day Saint scripture Doctrine and Covenants section 110: 13-16).
I encourage you to go to God in honest, faithful prayer and ask Him yourself if these things are true. James 1:5-6 will not let you down if we TRULY want to know. A good test of our heart is....are we willing to obey the counsel He gives us?
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/12/2008 10:11:13 AM
"Bulldogsfan411" -
Yes, Latter-day Saints believe that the apostles which Christ chose during His earthly ministration were killed by wicked people some time after Christ ascended into Heaven, and that all other men who truly had the authority to act in God's name were killed as well, effectively destroying the church which He established and plunging the world into spiritual darkness. This "apostasy" remained in effect until the Lord instructed the prophet Joseph Smith to restore His church on April 6th, 1830. (see Acts 20:29, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3, 2 Timothy 4:3-4 on the apostasy)
In your post you said that cannot be true because you claim that Christ, in Mathew 16:18, said that the apostle Peter would be the "rock" upon which Christ would build His church. However, that is not what the Savior meant. If you read the complete passage Jesus is asking His followers who they believe He is. Peter answers correctly, that He is the very promised Messiah. The Savior replies (in verse 17) that Peter is blessed for "flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is heaven". What Jesus is saying is that no man revealed that truth to Peter, God did Himself. How? Through the whisperings of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Christ is telling Peter that it is upon the "rock" of personal revelation that Christ would build his church. Think about it. What can possibly be stronger than God revealing Himself and His truths to you personally? If THAT occurs, all Hell may combine against you but when you know that you know something from THE source of all truth, there's no longer any doubt, or weakness, about the matter. Cool, huh?
You also wrote that Mormons claim to know more about the apostolic teachings of Christ than those who heard their teachings first-hand. You misunderstand our perspective. More than those who "heard it first-hand"? No. More than how their experiences are recorded in the Bible? Yes. Why? Because errors have in some instances crept into the Bible over thousands of years. However, God, in His mercy, has sent modern prophets to once again tell us of His truth. (continued) -
Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/10/2008 10:09:47 PM
I forgot to give credit where credit is due. The information above is found at http://www.tbm.org/are_mormons_christians.htm. Thank you and I hope this helps.
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Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 12:46:07 AM
Mr Romney did not get the Reagan family endorsement and was a convert of convenience. Like Death Row conversions, they are somewhat suspect in the eyes of those who have lived a long life. Mr Romney failed because he had no Military background and offended veterans when he claimed that his trust fund kids weren't in the military serving in the two wars we are in, because they were serving in his campaign. That flummox in Iowa never allowed him to recover with a large constituency in the GOP, the Military/Veteran community. To complain that it was religious intolerance is folly. Romney was disliked on the stage by his fellow R's who to a man earned every dime they ever made, and never claimed to see their fathers march with Dr. King, etc. You are overlooking vast flaws in his approach, his record, and his self-funding.
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Posted By: Give Me A Break @ 02/09/2008 8:24:53 PM
Huckabee Defends Romney on His Faith, Faults Him on Economics
By Julianna Goldman
Dec. 28 (Bloomberg) ??? Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said it would be wrong for caucus voters in Iowa to withhold support from rival Mitt Romney because of his Mormon faith,???.
???I don???t think a person???s faith ought to be a plus or minus,??? Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television???s ???Political Capital with Al Hunt,??? scheduled to air today. ???I would not want to think that people vote for me only because I???m a Christian.???
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Posted By: Miss Storm @ 02/09/2008 8:55:13 PM
From one conservative voter to the rest:
I want those that are angry Romney supporters and those that think it is already McCain so your going to vote for him in the primaries (which makes absolutely no sense since you still have a say in the primary and can rally around McCain in the general election if that is what it comes to) to think about something.
Consider this: No president has complete control, the congress is there to help keep him in check (just for those that think Huckabee is going to take over the world)
Now consider this: We ALLLLLL know how far right McCain leans right? A congress helps keep the president in check right?
What do you think is going to happen with far-right liberal McCain in office with a majority liberal democratic congress???!!!
Think about that before you vote in any primary. Because of Huckabee staying in the race there are many of us that actually can have an impact on an election!
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/10/2008 2:27:47 AM
Hey "Miss Storm". I'm curious. I'd like an HONEST answer. You push for Huckabee and try to argue that his religious views would be held in check by the other 2 arms of the Federal Government. My question is, were you one of the ones spreading the fearful cry of Romney's Mormon religion running unchecked in the White House when he was still in the running.
Why do I have the feeling that you either helped spread this irrational fear or at least held it privately about Romney? If you can honestly answer that you believed that Romney's religion would have not been allowed undue influence than I commend you. Is that the case?-
Posted By: TerriHamel @ 02/10/2008 11:43:54 AM
As a born-again Christian, I disagree with certain key aspects of Mormon theology. However, I am saddened that this was made an issue in the campaign. I am an associate with a company out of Salt Lake City, and I can't count the number of wonderful Mormon people whom I have met through the work that I do. My Mormon associates clearly love God as they understand Him, and it is evidenced in their lives. Terri Hamel
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Posted By: Twister52 @ 02/12/2008 12:36:07 AM
Teri -
I commend you and thank you for your integrity in recognizing the goodness in LDS members despite the smears by the mainstream media and many on-line posters. I sincerely hope that the members of my church have treated you with the same kindness and resepct you have shown towards them.
Warms regards, Dan Maloy
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Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 1:35:11 AM
What is a far-right liberal? Oxymoron?
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Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/10/2008 10:25:02 PM
Yes. Hah, Very good point.
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Posted By: AmericanforDummies @ 02/11/2008 12:29:25 AM
The evidence of my namesake is proven tonight. Two submissions, (thinking the first didnt go thru)..is an obvious fatigue blunder. I shall lay down my keys and go to bed...its late here, or very early, in the East and I need some sleep before work today.
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Posted By: AmericanforDummies @ 02/11/2008 12:23:27 AM
Is the meida unbiased? Sure. Watch this video and see how contrived the media is. Notice how the camera angle and framing of each of these men differs. For instance, Fineman is always centered and taking a large potion of the camera frame...as opposed to Huckabee who appears small and in the lower-right of the frame. This positioning subtely hints that Findman has the position of power or control in this interview. Huckabee placement in the small of the frame is seen as child-like or a position of inferior to his counterpart Fineman. In my opinion, this is an attempt to portend an unfavorable viewer perception of Huckabee.
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Posted By: dsmb2007 @ 02/11/2008 12:16:43 AM
Huckabee is not going to get out of the race until he feels he has established himself as the number two candidate. Not because of the vice presidency, but because of Mitt Romney. His only reason for being in the race was to stop Romney because of Romney's religion. It was obvious from the beginning of the campaign when his first item of business was to start smearing his religion using 'subtle doctrinal questions' during an interview. Now he has too much pride to come in second to Romney, even though he still is in second after all his 'Success' this weekend and Romney's absense. Plus, all the evangelical pastors want him to continue because they think it'll boost attendance, thereby boosting revenue to their 'cause'. God can be a great cover for pride and money. Obviously it would be in the best interest for the Republican Party (and Christian conservatives) for him to drop out and support the frontrunner, but unlike Romney, this has always been about him.
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Posted By: AmericanforDummies @ 02/11/2008 12:09:28 AM
I find the subtle hints that the vidoegrapher used for this interview to gently guide the viewers sense of confidence in the interviewee as typical that nothing is fari and balanced. For example, look at the angle which the camera focuses on Fineman vs Huckabee. Fineman has the upper middle angle at a raised view to demonstrate the appearance of power. Conversely, Huckabee is shown at a distance in the lower-right of the frame. This demostrated tot eh viewer that Fineman is superior or holds power in this interview to Huckabee. Such as father speaking to a child. This our meida, who twists, spins, and uses these sly techniques to influence viewers.
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Posted By: TRUE Conservative @ 02/09/2008 5:49:05 PM
Huckajackass is as big a hypocrit as the other Evangels...
Remember - they were the original KKK guys? Koons, Kikes and Katholics...
You see, long before they were being prejudiced against current religions, they led mobs to kill and attack Jews and Catholics... Oh yeah - they're REEEEEAL CHRISTIAN alright...-
Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:43:41 PM
Mike wasn't in the KKK. Mike was a social and fiscal Conservative, and I was his opposition. I do not mind People using the truth against a candidate, but this layer of fish tank goo is sad, and offends me as an Arkansan. There is enough on the record about Mike to use in a general election that is based on fact. No Spin Required.
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Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 11:18:33 PM
I liked that nice little "Spin" there at the end of your paragraph.
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Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 12:29:55 AM
Mike and Janet are decent people, I just do not agree with them on many issues. I'd love them over for dinner, or to teach my kids in Sunday School, etc. Mike did make some mistakes in pardons. He still had a better record than the parole proces as a whole, but I believe the pardons will come back to haunt him, with no spin required. Mike also had all of the executive office records and computer hard drives destroyed before leaving office which is against Arkansas law. No Spin Required. (I do not want to give up all the ammo in my belt good Sir, but there are honest issues that can come out without the KKK junk, that is as sick as the Rove attack of a black love child used against McCain in 2000.) The GOP has some sad track record in the Rove era. As far as the Klan, they lasted longer than 3-4 years. Now, in neighboring Adair County Oklahoma the very Christian Identity/Neo Nazi movement that inspired Snell and McVeigh still exists. A Republican Prosecutor, Tim Hutchinson talked the CSA out of a religious war here in Arkansas. None of this is relevant other than to note that there real religious bigots and extremists, and Mike isn't one of them. It is an unfair attack against most Republicans. It is an unfair attack against most southern whites.
There are also pro-second amendment Democrats. There are good people in both parties. I dislike the sick attacks like the one above, even against an opponent. At the end of this the man may be my commander-in-chief, and as such I will stand in his presence, accord him the respect of his office, etc. unless he debases his oath, or fails to see that the laws are duly carried out, etc. (Signing-Statement dictatorship) I like traditional conservatives, but prefer moderates. The folks at either extreme be it radical or reactionary tend to scare me. The fellow above who would hijack the moniker TRUE Conservative is neither true nor conservative. You good man are a passionate advocate for your position.-
Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/10/2008 10:20:33 PM
You are correct, the group as a whole lasted more than 3-4 years. Although, the major damage was done in a 3-4 year time span. I'm sorry if I did not specify exactly what I meant. I need to be more carefull, one mistake on here could change the entire topics defense. Thank you for pointing that out ot me.
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Posted By: Rational Poster @ 02/09/2008 8:18:46 PM
Tough words. How about some information to support your position?
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Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 12:31:01 AM
There is no defense for his stuff.
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Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 9:26:06 PM
The history of the KKK began with Confederates that did not have the right to take part in goverment after the Civil War. It was customary for the higher ranking conquered foes to be executed, though they were given pretty much complete forgiveness for the war. Little more than a year after it was founded, the secret society thundered across the war-torn South, sabotaged Reconstruction governments and imposed a reign of terror and violence that lasted three or four years. Not the quote, "original KKK guys? Koons, Kikes, and Katholics..."
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Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 10:17:11 PM
Oh and for the record, "Koons, Kikes, and Catholics" was a term used by black southerners in a semi-joking manner. Also, Huckabee is in no way related to the KKK. That is probably one of the most ill-represented statements I have ever heard.
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Posted By: Rational Poster @ 02/09/2008 8:17:29 PM
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Posted By: huckabuck @ 02/09/2008 7:04:11 PM
How does Huckabee compare to the KKK? Sounds like someone's been hurt. When you stand before God you'll have to answer for your life, not everyone elses.
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Posted By: betbull8 @ 02/09/2008 10:15:59 PM
I think that Huckabee is terrifying. It amazes me that people out there support Huckabee for PRESIDENT, not nations minister or preacher. If you want him to support your ideals then let him lead the evangelical church. Let him take Ted Haggards place. But for a president we need someone who can be realistic. someone who can look at the needs of the nation and do what is right, and not based on a book. Huckabee wants to change the CONSTITUTION to reflect "God's law". Do we even know what he means? The ten commandments, the 613 that Moses and God came up with?
I feel like this is a nightmare that he has any credibility at all. Do we all want our freedoms destroyed?-
Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 10:38:34 PM
The freedom the likes of you would desire is called "Anarchy". I will not defend or represent the idea of "God's Law" in what I am writing to you, but I will say one thing. The ideology of "God's Law" really does provide a safe, secure, and well-constituted basis for the way of life. Also, the United States was founded upon a Judeo-Christian ethic. Although, those ideas are beyond the point of what I'm about to discuss with you. The statement you made above, "If you want him to support your ideals then let him lead the evangelical church." is very misconstrued. Refer to the post I made much lower down the page on the Seperation of Church and State. Also, to the defense of the final statement you made " Do we all want our freedoms destroyed?" I propose that even if what you say is true, and Huckabee was intent upon establishing law based around the 10 commandments that GOD established...NOT Moses..it would not be such a terrible thing. What would be the downside of the effects that would take place by establishing laws based around the commandments? Are they so terrible?
-Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
-Thou shalt not KILL.
-Thou shalt not commit adultery.
-Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
-Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
EXCUSE me if im wrong, but if our nation based a few laws around these basic moral values it could not be such a bad thing. The nature of every person is to break rules, we do it from the time we are old enough to talk until the time we die. If the guidelines are a little strict, what would the consequences be? I think it would cause a lot of people to think more carefully before stepping to far out of the line. The end.-
Posted By: betbull8 @ 02/09/2008 11:47:21 PM
Hello bulldogfan. First of all anarchy can never exist. Even in a "government-less" world there would see be a natural heirarchy that would be in effect a government, so no I was not referring to anarchy.
Secondly, yes this country was founded by people who were mostly christian but they also believe in slavery and that women were not equal.
Next, you stated that the law's were written by "GOD" not Moses. What I was referring to was the 613 laws that were introduced by Moses that some of the Jewish faith follow. While these too are also basic moral values, I think you would not want your life dictated by them. The five commandments that you did stated, are good and are already a part of our law's. Given this what law's do you think Huckabee wants to change that are not already a part of our lives? Might he believe the bible full faced and believe that one should be stoned to death for wearing mixed material clothing, i.e., cotton, polyester blends? He does believe that most people are not going to Heaven, not even baptist. I ask you this: do you wnat a president deciding if you get into Heaven or not? I believe it is a judgement that only God can make.
In this there are two basic principles that Huckabee and other "social conservative" Republicans really like Huckabee for: gay marriage and abortion. Don't you think that these issues should be taken up with God too? No man is perfect enough to judge the soul a person that he believes has committed a sin. I believe that Huckabee is usurping the power of God if he believes that he can dictate those judgements by changing our laws. Isn't there something in the bible about that?
Oh and by the way, most people who step out of line are Christians, so you think man's law will make them behave when God's doesn't?-
Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/10/2008 10:02:27 PM
Life starts with one haploid cell joining together with another haploid cell. Once those 2 cells have been combined, the only difference between that cell and a 9 year old child is "time and nourishment". Now, even if you do not believe that it is human life at that age or particular stage of growth, Do you not believe that it is fair to give what will soon be human life if it already is not a fair chance? 99% of abortions are done for the sake of convenience for the mother. Also, around 4700-5000 babies are killed per day through various methods of abortion. These statistics are higher than the number of people that were killed in 9/11. 109,000-month..and since the Roe Vs Wade case there have been over 50 MILLION children killed through aborition.. hmm what happened to Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, and Alabama? Oh no worries they were aborted, no harm done. Yeah? Prime example of a mass slaughter if you ask me. EVEN STILL, if you say that they are not human life despite all of the evidence saying that they are, Consider the laws our nation hold.. "INNOCENT until proven GUILTY" .. If you cant determine if it is life or not, then dont condemn what could possibly be life to death. Prove to me its not life and I personally would join your cause, but all evidence points to life so I highly doubt that someone could convince me otherwise.
Huckabee does not believe he can dictate judgements by changing laws, he simply believes in instituting laws that are viable for the health and productivity and overall health of our government. Again, there are so many systems of checks and balances that even if he was out to give to much power to religion or scripture it would never happen, leaving no harm done. Overall, he is a good choice and as long as he is in the race I will continue to support him. Yes he has faults, but who does not. I'm just trying to pick the right candidate for my convictions. -
Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/10/2008 10:02:09 PM
I believe you made some very good points, and I partially agree with you. I have been on strong antibiotics and may have made my defense a little pushy and ask your forgiveness for that. Pushing that aside, if you study history you will learn that as the bible entered a nation the overall standards for treating women were greatly increased. This is not some mere idea, it is a proven fact. Women were treated much worse by the rest of society, and this can be seen through numerous different pieces of literature of the past. Next, the bible taught against the example you gave of stoning for a certain clothing material. It was Jesus who said " let he who is innocent throw the first stone", and all of the men walked away and spared the women from death. Also, you were very correct in saying that it is not up to Huckabee to determine who goes to Heaven and who does not, but he is not judging the soul of a person to determine whether or not they will go to Heaven. He has never made such a claim. He knows that only God can determine this, and that it would be a sin to try and claim that he had power over such circumstances. I ask you this: Do you really believe that the president can decide who goes to Heaven or not? Last I checked it was God's authority and His authority only that decides who goes to Heaven. Also, the issues of gay marriage and abortion take many forms when placed into argument. I personally believe that marriage should be defined as one man and one woman. Why? Not only because of scripture, but it is the natural order of life. Anything other than one man or one woman causes discord in the home, it is not just something I believe..its fact. On the issue of abortion which is one of my favorite topics to discuss, I propose to you some common knowledge. View below as I had to seperate my posts.
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Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 2:04:09 AM
Neither anarchy will spawn nor tyranny last, in our ongoing revolution. Our expirement in a republic with divided powers, enumerated rights that do not disparage those held under English Common Law or Natural Law, will continue, as long as We the People choose it's stewardship, guard it's existence, support the rule of law over the passions of men, etc. The Ten Commandments enumerate things we tend to find as commonly bad in and of themselves. Their presence even adorns the Supreme Court.
I would note that at the First Murder, God placed a mark on the offender and banished him. That sounds a lot more like life without parole than execution. Thou shalt not kill to me is universal, especially given the flaws in the system. Now, I am for those values taught in a free church in a free society where neither attendance is compelled nor absence prohibited. A lot of people fear rule by those who are guided by faith alone. The advance from Exodus 5 and Duteronomy 20 to full levitical law is a valid question.
I do not desire to have tassels on the corners of my clothes or be whipped by a levite in the temple.
You are not wrong, a large portion of our legal code is based on talmudic principles. But freedom of religion does not provide which one is right, that was left to our conscience and faith. As far as stepping too far out of line, I'd ask whose? Was it not Christ who challenged he without sin to cast the first stone?
Where is the mercy or grace? Would not we do better in accepting the sum of the commandements and the beatitudes? Blessed are the peacemakers... where is that in our politics?
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Posted By: rzd11 @ 02/09/2008 8:24:09 PM
Good job Markci...however you failed to mention that if he STOPS McCain from getting the "magic number" then it is taken to the convention...SO NO! Huckabee still has a chance so think again...Media needs to do a better job of getting that message out there!
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Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:25:04 PM
The MSM wants a unified GOP behind Dr. Strangelove, and Ignores Huckabee, to contrast what they claim is a war across the street where they are out to Kill Hillary, no matter what. Obama has won states like Kansas where fewer than 20000 voted in the Democratic Primary as the state is heavily Red. Hillary has won in the large states with large vote tallies. Barack gets 9/10 Black votes and whites even in the south are split on the D side. Race is a factor if you are Black.
Huckabee gets the religious Conservatives, but the economic Conservatives do not understand the Arkansas Constitution as amended in 1934 or they'd shut up about his spending policies. Mike was saddled with an anti-reconstruction, Jim Crow/Peonage Constitution that required a 3/4 vote in both houses on any tax increase to prevent any state aid to the poor during the Depression. Until the Constitution of 1874 is rewritten, any Arkansas Governor is subject to a cheap shot on taxes. Given that they have to balance a Budget, they have to adjust taxes that weren't on the books in 1934, meaning Income Sales and Use... meaning property and other taxes remain at 1/5th of value times millage. So on a 100,000 house your assesment is 20k.
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Posted By: C. MacLean @ 02/10/2008 8:17:57 PM
Actually, Huckabee has several scary remarks - the scariest may be that he wants to "take back America for Christ."
As if Jesus would have us - too many money-lenders, not enough people turning the other cheek.
Don't kid yourself - Huckabee is a very scary guy.
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Posted By: RickCleland @ 02/09/2008 8:36:43 PM
Huckabee has no more chance than did Dennis Cucinich. Miracle Mike is still in it because he has the Consititutional right to be, just as I, and you, technically do. Mike just wants the free media coverage all the way to the Convention.. Hell, I'd stay in the race, too, for a free chance to plug the book I've just had published.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 02/10/2008 5:03:30 PM
Don't forget he might want a cabinet position too
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Posted By: rottenfisher @ 02/10/2008 12:00:25 AM
McCain wants to give amnesty to ILLEGAL aliens.
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Posted By: Zombiehero @ 02/10/2008 4:27:27 PM
Vamos McCain!
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Posted By: dsmb2007 @ 02/10/2008 3:45:56 PM
I think it's quite entertaining now to watch Huckabee scare McCain. Romney got out at just the right time. Now Huckabee has just enough of a chance to raise McCain's blood pressure but no chance of winning. The closer he gets the more everyone will start to villify him for staying in the race and fracturing Republicans plus McCain is bound to start directing some of his nastiness towards Huckabee when he really feels pushed in a corner. With the only good candidate out of the running now, all that's left is to watch the soap opera unfold.
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Posted By: enlighten1 @ 02/09/2008 6:53:42 PM
No vote here for Huckabee. We don't need a bigot in the whitehouse. See Pastors4huckabee.com. Mr. Mick gove his tacid approval by not telling this group to know it off.
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Posted By: mjp1 @ 02/09/2008 11:27:59 PM
I went to this website and Huckabees comments made me want to laugh and throw-up at the same time! Even though the mormons I know think that the Baptist religion is untrue they do not try to bad mouth or take thier religious teachings and try to make them seem as something they are not. Him saying that he says the things he does about mormons is because he loves them??!! What an idiot, does he think that people are as stupid to believe that?? He says that to make himself and his religion look better than that of anothers. Romney dropped out of the race because this race is about what is best for America and not about what is best for Mitt Romney, Huckabee on the other hand is staying in it because he loves himself and this race is about himself and not the American people. His is so full of pride that he will not step aside and do what is best for the Republican party so that we can defeat the leftist democrates. But as the saying goes, "Pride precedeth the fall.."
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Posted By: Petee @ 02/10/2008 11:14:11 AM
Do you have evena shred of ebvidence to back up what you're saying? No, because the only thing Mike Huckabee has said about Mormonism was in the form of a question to an interviewer with a theological backgroud, "Don't they believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers?" Well, in fact, that IS what Mormons believe - that Jesus Christ and Satan are "spiritual brothers". It's official doctrine, and it's on the LDS website (lds.org) if you want to take the time to check it out.
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Posted By: JRudd @ 02/10/2008 12:03:56 PM
Another "shred of evidence" for you in the form of a link. Here is a quote from the article:
"In 1998, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) descended on Salt Lake City for their annual meeting. If you think that's an unusual choice, you'd be right. The number of SBC members in Utah is negligible, but the message would be unmistakable. In spite of nearly identical political and social mores, the SBC disdained association with Latter-day Saints in Jerry Falwell's abortive Moral Majority. As is custom for such annual meetings, there is a massive proselyting effort in the environs of the city, but for Salt Lake, the SBC produced a 50 minute video entitled, "the Mormon Puzzle" and distributed to ALL 40,000 Baptist congregations sending delegates to the meeting. In addition, the SBC also printed over 12,000 copies of "Mormonism Unmasked" The materials characterized Mormonism as a dangerous cult (a dehumanizing Evangelical perjorative) and a major threat to SBC interests. However it mainly instructed "messengers" on how to attack the beliefs of their Mormon targets. There was little doubt that this provocative action by the SBC was designed to be a showdown--the mainstream press sent its largest contingent ever to the Salt Lake City annual meeting, hoping for open warfare. In the end, Mormon church leadership simply encouraged its members to be courteous to their Baptist brethren and the story evaporated.
It is simply not credible that Mike Huckabee doesn't know anything about the religion (you can almost hear him say 'cult' under his breath). The SBC has spent decades and millions of dollars fostering hatred of Mormons."
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Posted By: JRudd @ 02/10/2008 11:47:13 AM
Mike Huckabee was a key speaker of the Southern Baptist Convention held in Salt Lake City (headquarters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, i.e., the Mormons) in 1998. The entire purpose of this convention is to perpetuate lies and distortions about Mormonism. Google southern baptist convention huckabee salt lake city. There is your evidence. BTW, besides proving my point, the following links prove Huckabee is a liar and a fool for saying he knows little about the Mormon faith.
http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/1998/jun/08/huckabee-us-gave-religion/
http://www.slate.com/id/2180391/fr/rss/
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Posted By: Rational Poster @ 02/09/2008 9:21:38 PM
I looked up the definition of bigot to be sure that I wasn't off base. BIGOT - one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
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Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 1:06:51 AM
His lack of Bigotry has gotten him in trouble. He was for caring for the hispanics drawn here for jobs. He was also for allowing them the dream of college education. I am not sure those are his positions anymore, as he is stuck in the whole latino-bashing thing that is happening in the GOP. Again, I am the Democrat across the street watching my loyal opponents disintegrate into what their parties founder referred to when he said a house divided against itself can not stand.
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Posted By: dogshowkris @ 02/10/2008 12:00:23 PM
Huckabee should get out. He is showing himself to be a out of control person under the vail of religion. A religious fanatic. I don't want him representing me and he doesn't know what is best-not for the Repulican party. He is out of touch.
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Posted By: dogshowkris @ 02/10/2008 11:58:31 AM
Huckabee is on a different planet. He should get out. He has no chance of winning and we know his message. He is showing himself to be the out of control person higing behaind a vail of religion. I don't want to be preached at today or any day. dogshowkris @yahoo.com
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Posted By: TerriHamel @ 02/10/2008 11:52:16 AM
Comment: Comment: As a born-again Christian, I want to tell you that I am deeply saddened about the "bigoted comments about Mormonism". I work with many Mormons. They are wonderful people. Although we are far apart theologically, it is clear that they sincerely believe in God and live out their faith in their daily lives. I don't know if you are a Mormon, but I hope that you will be encouraged that there are many like me who love Mormons and appreciate the fact that they are unquestionably sincere in their faith. God bless you, Terri Hamel
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Posted By: TerriHamel @ 02/10/2008 11:53:23 AM
Posted By: TerriHamel @ 02/10/2008 11:52:16 AM
Comment: Comment: As a born-again Christian, I want to tell you that I am deeply saddened about the "bigoted comments about Mormonism". I work with many Mormons. They are wonderful people. Although we are far apart theologically, it is clear that they sincerely believe in God and live their faith out in their daily lives. I don't know if you are a Mormon, but I hope that you will be encouraged that there are many like me who love Mormons and appreciate the fact that they are unquestionably sincere in their faith. God bless you, Terri Hamel
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