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  • Posted By: TerriHamel @ 02/10/2008 11:52:16 AM

    Comment: As a born-again Christian, I want to tell you that I am deeply saddened about the "bigoted comments about Mormonism". I work with many Mormons. They are wonderful people. Although we are far apart theologically, it is clear that they sincerely believe in God and live their faith out in their daily lives. I don't know if you are a Mormon, but I hope that you will be encouraged that there are many like me who love Mormons and appreciate the fact that they are unqusetionably sincere in their faith. God bless you, Terri Hamel

  • Posted By: TerriHamel @ 02/10/2008 11:50:19 AM

    Comment: As a born-again Christian, I want to tell you that I am deeply saddened about the "bigoted comments about Mormonism". I work with many Mormons. They are wonderful people. Although we are far apart theologically, it is clear that they sincerely believe in God and live their faith out in their daily lives. I don't know if you are a Mormon, but I hope that you will be encouraged that there are many like me who love Mormons and appreciate the fact that they are unqusetionably sincere in their faith. God bless you, Terri Hamel

  • Posted By: JRudd @ 02/10/2008 11:32:55 AM

    I would be very surprised and saddened if Romney endorsed Huckabee or McCain. That would be a slap in the face to the more than 4 million people that voted for him. Many of us explicitely chose him because we detest the others. The MSM has pointed out time and again how Mitt was hated by the other GOP candidates. He owes them nothing, least of all Huckabee after his personal attacks (i.e., bigoted comments about Mormonism and his jealous and immature digs at Romney's wealth, etc.). Keep your delegates Mr. Romney. You deserve them. And God Bless you.

    • Posted By: TerriHamel @ 02/10/2008 11:48:34 AM

      As a born-again Christian, I want to tell you that I am deeply saddened about the "bigoted comments about Mormonism". I work with many Mormons. They are wonderful people. Although we are far apart theologically, it is clear that they sincerely believe it God and live their faith out in their daily lives. I don't know if you are a Mormon, but I hope that you will be encouraged that there are many like me who love Mormons and appreciate the fact that they are unqusetionably sincere in their faith. God bless you, Terri Hamel

  • Posted By: rich-nc @ 02/10/2008 11:04:57 AM

    Hmmm...well, even as a Dem I liked Huckabee for his non-traditional-republican ideas, viz., that there really IS such a thing as "compassionate conservatism." Too many angry, mean-spirited evangelicals seem to forget the humility and love-thy-neighbor preached by the real Jesus, not one from Lynchburg. But Huckabee rubber-stamping Bush's "pre-emptive" overseas strikes against similarly strident right-wing Islamics -- that leaves me cold. Up to that point, I was intrigued by the welcome possibility of an Obama-Huckabee clash in Nov, a way to leave behind the divisiveness of the last 20-30 years. As Vonnegut said, "so it goes."

  • Posted By: Petee @ 02/10/2008 11:01:39 AM

    Mike Huckabee is the only candidate in either party who really identifies with the "little guy" and is for limited government. He's a great communicator and has many bold, innovative ideas. He's managed to run a campaign on a shoestring budget and I believe he'd be able to "slim down" the federal bureaucracy. In short, Mike Huckabee would be a great president.

  • Posted By: EscapeToday @ 02/09/2008 7:59:02 PM

    Huckabee is running for Vice President. He is trying to create a political faction that must be pandered to by the Republican Party during this election. He got into politics by being elected to the Lt. Governor of AR. His lucky break came when the Democratic Governor was forced to resign during a funds scandal. Had it not been for his appointment to Governor through Governor Tucker???s resignation, he would have not been able to win the Governor election on his own. This past election the Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General who won the 2006 elections were all Democrats. Arkansas historically votes for the Democratic Party for executive leadership. Huckabee is part of the religious conservative group who have now redefined the Republican Party. Personally, I was once a Rockefeller (read progressive) Republican. Sadly, those progressive days are long gone. Arkansas has experienced enough embarrassment through one scandalous period in Washington. Does Arkansas and the U.S, really need a repeat performance?
    The press seems to be on a honeymoon with the Huckabee campaign right now. This will soon become the Huckabee chronicles when people who work for the State of Arkansas start talking to reporters about Huckabee???s wife and some of the questionable deals with his sons in state government offices. So the people of Arkansas wait for a different kind of Jennifer Flowers publicity scandal to appear in the New York Post regarding another former governor. We are glad Arkansas state government has returned to quality leadership with Democrats Mike Beebe, Bill Halter, and Dustin McDaniel.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:31:43 PM

      I agree that Arkansas is much improved, but Jim Guy Tucker was convicted for a Cable Television business fraud from prior to his election, which would have likely gone uncovered had not the GOP flooded the state with hundreds of lawyers and operatives in a dig up everything you can operation against the Clintons. The opposition research on Huck has been going on now for several weeks, since his win in Iowa. You also failed to mention Charlie Daniels, a fine Secretary of State, Martha Schoffner, etc. all D's.

      • Posted By: EscapeToday @ 02/10/2008 10:22:39 AM

        You are correct. Many many many find D's now. Let us not forget Vic Snyder and Blanche Lincoln who I truly like. .

  • Posted By: rottenfisher @ 02/10/2008 12:03:50 AM

    McCain supports ILLEGAL imigration.
    Go Huckabee!!!

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 1:32:07 AM

      This is where Romney was off the mark too, claiming to know Reagan. He claimed that Reagan was all about taxes, when at his core, he was about expanding the party and his 11th comandment was "speak no ill of a fellow republican."
      Both John and Mike have supported things that supported Illegal immigration. Often out of humane reasons. A wise soul noted once that the road to hell was paved with good intentions. Another that no good deed would go unpunished. Lastly that God confirmed that we are our brothers keepers, and not just the ones that look like us.

  • Posted By: EscapeToday @ 02/10/2008 1:15:00 AM

    Church and State should be combined as long as we are limiting it to MY religion. I am a member of the largest Church in the United States. Which Church is the largest in the U.S.? Hint: We can manage governments more efficiently than what is possible with elected officials. After all, we???ve been doing it since the Middle Ages.

  • Posted By: Kaelurus @ 02/09/2008 6:24:45 PM

    Do we really want a Baptist minister in the White House? What happened to the separation of Church and State??

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 12:35:39 AM

      I would prefer someone who says what they believe over someone who says what they think I believe. This is but one of the quandries of this election.

  • Posted By: badgers4ever @ 02/09/2008 6:12:05 PM

    I concur with AdirondackAl's comments. Media elite liberals and "conservatives" lined up against Huckabee. This tells me he is the real agent for change this country needs.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/10/2008 12:34:14 AM

      That is partly because media have polarized far more than the general electorate. CNN is so far left and Fox so far right that neither carry today the clean reputation they once had in their newsrooms.

  • Posted By: RickCleland @ 02/09/2008 8:30:25 PM

    Mike Huckabee is staying in the fray because he can, has nothing to lose and everything to gain. He'll get some consessions and promises from McCain. I look for McCain to eventually tell Mike to "kiss off", with a PS of I can do it without you, so get gone..But then again, this is coming from a liberal Democrat from Texas (talk about a dieing breed?) And I'm for Hillary just to give the sanctimonous GOP indigestion.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 11:53:59 PM

      I'm pro Hillary. I have never voted for either Bush. The problem with the GOP is that they created equal but opposite PAC's and 527's that they used to run against. There are no Reagan Republicans left. There are no progressives in their party. They have an Orwellian counter word that is at once usually perjoritave and wrong about any opposition to their agendas. They have become as special interest laden as the Party Reagan ran against in 1980. (I am the Southern D that voted Reagan 2 times in the service, absentee)
      I have also voted Reform Party when the DNC type was too far left and hitched to special interests. Since 1998 I have been Blue Dog.
      I do not believe in a 100 year war, Wars of Agresion, Torture, Secret Prisons, Domestic Espionage, Oil Monopoly Oligarchy, ENRON, Halliburton, or the AIPAC/PNAC Neo-Cons. I like government of by and for the people, and that it shall not perish from the earth. I like Liberty. I dislike the anti-gun left as much as the police state right. The passions of those on the fringe are the energy destroying civility and loyal opposition politics that are the key to a successful democracy where we peacefully transition power.

  • Posted By: lpete @ 02/09/2008 7:10:08 PM

    He's a religous zealot much like the taliban who wishes to impose his religous ignorance on a an otherwise free society. He's dangerous and doesn't deserve any political positon anywhere.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 11:20:35 PM

      The other common prejorative is Shiite-Republican. Someone else called him Klan. Battering southern whites is a cheap shot. I might find race a greater factor in my party. Until Louisianna, the white vote was evenly split, but as the race goes on, this polarization is becoming the 800lb gorilla in the room. SInce Bill popped off with the Jesse Jackson remark after SC, it's been on as far as the Black vote being an 80+% block for Barack.

    • Posted By: Rational Poster @ 02/09/2008 9:15:04 PM

      Is this a responsible post? Spare us your insight.

  • Posted By: pia12254 @ 02/09/2008 6:55:34 PM

    Hmm...I didn't realize having religious beliefs precluded you from running for president...

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 11:05:47 PM

      It is sad isn't it. The issue in most American's mind is how much more Dr Dobson they want. I watched the CPAC types boo McCain, and that was sad. They took a gentleman who was with them 82% of the time and castigated him. They want 100%'ers and feel that power slipping away from them. So does Rush.

  • Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 6:50:18 PM

    Seperation of Church and State was first instituted in order to keep the State out of the affairs of the Church, not the Church out of the State. Study your history more carefully next time before you open your mouth for everyone else to hear the illiterate mutters of a common fool all over the world wide web.

    • Posted By: donco6 @ 02/09/2008 7:20:36 PM

      Where'd you get that BS? Separation of Church and State was first expounded upon by Thomas Jefferson - hardly a fundie Christian - who spoke against the influence of the Church on the State, not the other way around.

      Dumbass.

      • Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 9:18:00 PM

        "As the ongoing debate over what exactly the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution means continues into the twenty-first century, the Supreme Court finds itself without a bright line rule proscribing where exactly America stands on the issue of "to what degree should America separate religion from state." Originating back to 1791 when the United States Constitution was officially ratified, the drafters granted freedom of and from religion to those who wished to be part of America. However, as time passed, this freedom of and from religion began to take on new interpretations that the original drafters of the Constitution may not have foreseen.

        Taken literally, the Establishment Clause does not mention anything about a "separation between church and state." This notion, which came about through a letter written by President Jefferson to the Danbury Connecticut Baptist Association in an effort to support the Establishment Clause, has now become a major source of discussion in the Supreme Court. In fact, the Establishment Clause and this fiction of a "separation between church and state" have been the driving force in many Supreme Court decisions that have little to do with establishing a national religion. It seems as if they arise as a way for state institutions to stay politically correct, so to not offend the melting pot American religions." (http://www.expertlaw.com/library/misc/first_amendment.html)
        Just as I said before, learn your history before you assume something. It was first expounded upon by Jefferson, but written by the founding fathers. That would be like me coming behind you and changing your original statement to mean something to fit my personal needs. Great way to interpret a legal document? I think not.

        • Posted By: Rational Poster @ 02/09/2008 9:25:18 PM

          Buuldogfan: Now that was an educational post. Well done!

          • Posted By: qscb1317 @ 02/09/2008 10:20:37 PM

            Also Madison in the Federalist Papers warned of the danger of religious factions to democracy under the catagory of special interests. That is the problem with electing a baptist minister to head a democracy. He is too closely identified with a special interest. Of course you can just throw in the towel and say that special interest run everything anyway, so what's one more. Well this one is just plain ignorant also--believes in creationism, doesn't believe in math, and believes in an unceasing war on islamic extreamists, elimination of the IRS. Bush got us in trouble because he believed his beliefs over evidence and experts, who were all saying the same thing.

            • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:37:56 PM

              Amen. Now we need you to have a talk radio show and realign all the ditto-heads. The Religious Right and talk radio types are going the way of the dinosaur, and Rove-Style politics with it. I am most afraid of the make the constitution fit God's law thing. He said it.

              • Posted By: bulldogsfan411 @ 02/09/2008 10:56:08 PM

                "Also Madison in the Federalist Papers warned of the danger of religious factions to democracy under the catagory of special interests. " .. yes that is true. He also warned of the danger in the departments of goverment having a seperate form of "special interests". It was not an attempt to keep the Church out or the Government out of itself, just a safeguard in order to provide a well balanced government that would not be overpowered by one particular branch or religious influence.

  • Posted By: markci @ 02/09/2008 7:58:51 PM

    If McCain wins the general election, I think Huckabee will find he had a lot to lose by pushing things too far.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:55:37 PM

      No, Mike will make out fine, even if he goes all the way to the convention. He has no job waiting behind him and nothing to lose.

  • Posted By: GustoMaybe @ 02/09/2008 10:13:16 PM

    "cozying up to the gun lobby"

    the writer of this article doesn't even try to hide his bias. if you want to be fair, next time say "protect the constitutional right to bear arms"

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:53:35 PM

      Our first Amendment legalized Heresy. Our second Amendment Armed Heretics to the gills. Our 3rd Keeps troops out of homes until the Bush Regime where the NSA can spy on us as if they were living in our homes. The 4th 5th 8th and 14th have been thrown overboard by the right in the wars on whichever issue came along be it drugs or now terror. As far as the gun issue, I believe the Roberts Court will come down with the fact that it is an inalienable personal right. I hope so.

  • Posted By: AdirondackAl @ 02/09/2008 5:16:07 PM

    Huckabee is America's candidate. Who else upsets the NYTimes and Rush Limbaugh in one felled swoop? That tells you he's the right candidate.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:47:30 PM

      I like Hillary and McCain for their wisdom and seasoning. But you are spot on that the DNC run NYT and the GOP run Limbaugh are in a frenzy over both. I think it's funny. I like DLC/PPI types. I like gang-of-14 types. The hard part about being a moderate is that you get shot at by both shides.

  • Posted By: Bafan200 @ 02/09/2008 5:53:51 PM

    The reason Huck is staying in ,is just about every member of his family is on the campaign payroll. All of his kids, their husbands and wives, and his brother-in-law according to campaing finance records. They will all have to get real day jobs when this is over. This continues a pattern of feeding at the Huck campaign trough all the way back to 1992 when Huck bought an airplane and leased it to the campaign for a profit.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:39:01 PM

      This is spot on, He even tried to run his wife for Secretary of State and she was dumped by voters.

  • Posted By: pia12254 @ 02/09/2008 6:56:39 PM

    Hmm...I didn't realize having religious beliefs precluded you from running for president...I guess that means Obama, Clinton and McCain should be disqualified as well.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 02/09/2008 10:35:21 PM

      The Religion Litmus Test game is purely fear mongering. I am concerned with experience.

  • Posted By: donco6 @ 02/09/2008 7:18:17 PM

    We don't need another religious zealot in office.

    • Posted By: Rational Poster @ 02/09/2008 9:13:01 PM

      When did expressing a religous faith make one a zealot? I assume you either choose not to express a faith in God or do not believe in God. Do folks call you a pagan or heathen because of that? I doubt it. So please refrain from labeling a believer a zealot.

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