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  • Posted By: Say What? @ 02/12/2008 5:34:41 PM

    This article just goes to show how alive racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia is. You need someone to write about the fact that racism, discrimination and judgement take place today? What?!!! People might not even be aware that they harbor these feelings of superiority? Really? Isn't that how it happens?

    I'm seeing a lot of, "I'm not racist," posts but I can tell you from my own personal experience that you probably are. Along the lines of prejudice and bigotry, someone told me..."I wouldn't vote for a Muslim to be President." When I called them on it by pointing out how bigoted that line of thinking is they were shocked. Yeah, you're a bigot now own it.

    Just like all of you should own your racism. It's the only way to change.

    I own mine. I'm prejudiced against Caucasians. My reason, every white person I have ever become friends with and known for some time (we're talking years) eventually says something racist in my presence. I think they forget that I'm a person of color and it slips. I always tell them their racist but they don't listen because they think what they are saying is true. I'm working on changing my prejudice but it's hard when the experience is the same time and again.

    Blacks should be glad they were brought to America? What? Yeah, they have it so good don't they? I guess we should all be glad the Native Americans didn't fully embrace the way of the sword, eh?

    • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 02/12/2008 5:44:36 PM

      Why is it bigoted for someone to say they wouldn't vote for a Muslim? Maybe their religion prevents them from doing so... That doesn't mean they hate, hurt, and destroy Muslims at every chance. They just don't want one to be President.

      I wouldn't want a redneck from Alabama to be President. That doesn't make me a bigot to say that. I would just prefer someone who didn't use Cool Whip for their salad bowls in the Oval Office.

  • Posted By: tonytrotter @ 02/12/2008 5:44:27 PM

    My only comment here is why in the hell does the media insist on dragginf "race" into this election. I for one am a white middle class male and I am tickled pink to have the opportunity to vote for a man like Mr. Obama. He is an extremely charismatic, intelligent man who truly believes he can make a difference for his country. He just happens to also have a skin color darker than my own. Who the hell cares!!! Leave it alone already!!!!

  • Posted By: diadkinson @ 02/12/2008 5:29:46 PM

    You equate looking for another job with "betraying their values"? I think that's overreaching.

  • Posted By: diadkinson @ 02/12/2008 5:29:09 PM

    You equate looking for another job with "betrayint their values"? I think that's overreaching.

  • Posted By: kyleedwin @ 02/12/2008 12:34:57 PM

    I think to classify people as 'haters' is in itself prejudice. While I believe you are correct in that many people (including dems) will not cast a vote for a woman or a black candidate, to call them 'haters' is a classic example of your presupposed ideology. Many in America, possibly even the majority, wouldn't vote for a homosexual simply because they believe it to be deviant behavior. There is nothing wrong with this. Many would have to forsake their religious faith to view it otherwise. I think that homosexuality is wrong and perverted and wouldn't consider voting for one. However, I don't hate them as humans and believe they should be afforded the basic human rights as anyone else. That doesn't make me a 'hater'. It makes me someone who disagrees with your worldview and simply because I disagree with it, you would classify me as a 'hater'. That is what is truly narrow..

    • Posted By: dkm_1981 @ 02/12/2008 1:52:13 PM

      first of all, homosexuality is not deviant behavior. It is just as normal as heterosexuality. Religious faith has made ppl hate homosexuality in the same way that blacks were hated. Homosexuality is not wrong and it is not perverted. I would consider voting for anyone based upon their credentials. Anyone who does something other than that is considered a bigot, b/c they are looking not at the substance of the person, but what the person looks like. That in itself is discriminatory.

      • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 02/12/2008 4:29:05 PM

        Homosexuality IS wrong and it is not normal behavior. It's disgraceful and I'm tired of people trying to shove it down my throat that it's not.

        • Posted By: Ellison DC @ 02/12/2008 5:03:27 PM

          What exactly are they trying to shove down your throat? That sounds nasty!!!!

          • Posted By: kyleedwin @ 02/12/2008 5:11:03 PM

            Ellison DC...I do have to admit, that was funny.

            • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 02/12/2008 5:27:02 PM

              Whatever it is, I'll bite it off.

      • Posted By: kyleedwin @ 02/12/2008 5:04:52 PM

        If I were black or female, I would find it highly insulting to be categorized with homosexuals when people refer to prejudice or bigotry. Blacks were hated because of the color of their skin. Homosexuals are looked down on by most people because it's a learned behavior. The arguement that they are born that way is silly. I do believe that certain behavior can become part of the genitic code, such as alchoholism and homosexuality, but somewhere it was a weakness that couldn't be conquered by an individual. No where does christianity (which is the only religion I can speak for) condone hating homosexuals. It does condemn it as deviant and perverted behavior. No theologian worth his salt can deny that. If not voting for someone because of their homosexuality is not considering a persons substance, I don't know what is.

  • Posted By: yo28 @ 02/12/2008 4:52:09 PM

    I find that more blacks are prejudiced against whites but that isn't talked about at all. I am not a prejudice individual but to be honest with you, the blacks should be thankful that we brought their ancestors over. They did endure quite a bit BUT in turn they paved the way for the "African Americans" to live in a better country.

    • Posted By: TELLTHETRUTH @ 02/12/2008 5:22:04 PM

      YO28 u are extremely ignorant and a closeted racist. do u like rare hamburgers?

  • Posted By: Peacemaker 1 @ 02/12/2008 5:20:51 PM

    Well, Americans should then confront this reality,. As I mentioned earlier, we are not born bigotsor racists, we learn to be so. The problem is that our government has institutionalized racsm in our istitutions, so we remain racists unconscious. But we must remind ourselves that racial attitudes are learned, not inate, and we must remember hat there is nothing wrong with all human beings and our attitudes were simply roted in our insttutions through the efforts of idologues and hatemongers.

  • Posted By: justathinker @ 02/12/2008 5:17:34 PM

    I would like to expand on part of the comment left by perfectimpressions re: prejudicial practices performed centuries ago still deserve to be righted now. That very idea is (in my mind) the main reason that there are prejudices against anyone now. The aggrieved are trying so hard to set themselves apart for retribution that they themselves are causing other parties to be prejudiced against them.

  • Posted By: perfectimpressions @ 02/12/2008 5:07:50 PM

    As long as any organization or group in any society desires to retrict the membership of its community to those fitting a certain type (whether defined by race, gender, sexual orientation, physical characteristic, social posiion, etc.), it will foster within its membership an "us versus them" mentality. This is a basic tribal instinct, subconscious though it may be, bred into our species over many millenium.

    To think that advancements of technology over the last 175 years, and the resultant sopcietal upheavals we have seen throughout the world, would have caused such deep, long-standing, ingrained subconscious tendencies to be willed away is foolishness at the least, and more likely hubris.

    Prejudices exist. Evryone (and I sincerely mean EVERYONE - including myself) has them. All we can do is seek and reward the better angels of our own nature to try to overcome these impulses. But when a group starts looking for signs of these impulses in the actions of others, even in the thoughts of others, does this not foster the same "us versus them" mentality yet again?

    Those who look for reasons to feel oppressed or insulted by others will easily find them. Likewise, those who seek proof that others are hypocritical in their claims of such prejudice, either by claiming that while others groups behave as in this manner that their own is above such behavior, or worse by stating such prejudicial behavior is justified by others having been prejudicial towards them at sometime in the past (name your own time perod - days, months, years, decades, centuries, millenium), will find this ground fertile and full of examples. And, having been blessed with strong imaginations as well as agile minds, we will find ways to invent such proof even if it does not in reality exist yet.

    What I find wryly amusing is one argument presented here - prejudicial practices performed centuries ago still deserve to be righted now. This same argument is used in the middle east by tribes to justify fighting to the death for slights and insults and injuries that occurred hundreds of years before.

    Out of curiosity, to those who state that we should never forgive or forget pqst bad behavior - when does the statute of limitations run out?

    All we can do is make a choice as an individual to examine our own lives and see if we are comfortable with our own actions, our choices, our beliefs within our own society. As Ghandi said, one must become the change they wish to see in the world.

  • Posted By: lee226 @ 02/12/2008 5:02:22 PM

    to jyankey18:
    I THINK WE ARE NEITHER.....Hillary is getting plenty of votes and the african americans would not vote for someone just because he looked black or red or white...they like Obama for the same reason everyone likes him and believes he can get the job done.

  • Posted By: johnboy1143 @ 02/12/2008 5:00:10 PM

    I always seem to get the impression that when 'racism' is mentioned that the finger is always pointing at the white population to 'correct their ways' or be more tolerant, etc., etc.. It puzzles me that the African American pundits always speak of folks like Tiger Woods as being African American - duh, his mother is Japanese - isn't that a form of racism. Isn't it amazing that Obama is getting close to 100% of the African American vote - is he really that much better than his opponent - or is that racism showing its ugly face..

  • Posted By: Fabienne @ 02/12/2008 4:59:04 PM

    I don't think so at all. In fact we are going overboard trying to show that we are not racists, just look at the free ride that Obama is getting with the media, they have fallen in love with this guy who is long on charm and short on issues. "Change" he shouts as though it were a magic word but I sure like to see him try if he ever gets to the White House. The media seems to have decided, however, that it's time we elect a black president and they picked him, a young senator with no experience whatsoever. Powell would have fitted the bill extremely well but of course, Powell was not interested. We need someone of experience in the White House. We shouldn't elect people just because it's time to have a woman in the White House or a black man, that's absurd and totally racist.

  • Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 02/12/2008 4:44:19 PM

    One big problem we have in society is what I call "Clumpism", which is grouping all of one race/gender/religion into one mass and then arguing towards the mass.

    Some men are jerks, some women are jerks, but not all men and women are jerks.

    There is a lot of racism around us every day. A lot of the racism is from whites, a lot of the racism is from blacks, and a lot of the racism is from asians. But, people are people. I'm not a racist, but my grandpa sure is. He can't even mention a person without pointing out their race first. It's not "see that guy over there?", it is, "see that asian guy over there?"

    We all just need to check ourselves on these issues and make sure we're not part of the problem.

  • Posted By: Giddy Beat @ 02/12/2008 4:43:00 PM

    This a comment by Ed randell about Barack Obama that for some reason has not been picked up by the media http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/02/12/ed-rendell-straight-talker.aspx

  • Posted By: Giddy Beat @ 02/12/2008 4:41:40 PM

    This is comment made by Ed Randell the Governor of Pennsylvania http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/02/12/ed-rendell-straight-talker.aspx

  • Posted By: sylthe4th @ 02/12/2008 4:41:14 PM

    has anyone made note of how the first women president will be seemingly DEPENDENT on her husband? the strongest women in the world will be made to look like nothing without her husband

  • Posted By: LoboSolitario @ 02/12/2008 3:56:37 PM

    While this article made a glancing reference to it, it does not acknowledge is another open "secret" in this country -- the very real and sanctioned (and ignored) practice of reverse racism and discrimination, particularly black animosity toward whites. It's an insidious reality that few want to admit to and even fewer care to do anything about. To illustrate this point, a few years ago an African American colleague of mine (a highly educated HR executive) and I were discussing the "race question." I relayed my own ntroubling and eye-opening experience a few years ago of being told in an inner city fast food restaurant to "Get out of here whitey. This is our town." (Three of my white co-workers and I were the only ones in a crowd of a lunch goers).I offered this as only one, but direct example of the sword of racism cutting both ways. She didn't want to hear it, or even discuss my point of view. She stopped me cold, while vehemently and emphatically declaring that there is "no such thing" as reverse racism. That indeed such a display of unbridled hatred (my words) was really in fact (in her view) "justice" (her word) for past white atrocities. I was astonished! She had no interest in an intelligent, rational discussion of the facts. She flatly refused to see the other side of the story. Instead, my experience is unilaterally ignored and falsely glorified as "justice." In truth, if the roles had been reversed in the restaurant scenario -- a white person threatening a black person with such overt racism, I daresay the corresponding public attention, retribution and sword of "justice" would have been swift and brutal, while cutting only one way, of course! Indeed, I have never once in my 50+ years of living witnessed white-on-black discrimination or intolerance. On innumerable occasions, when the roles have been reversed (one or a few African Americans in a crowd of whites, or in a setting with a majority of whites), I have never sensed such animosity as I have as a white person in the opposite setting. In truth, in order for this country to advance beyond the superficial color of our skins, no one group or individual can have it "both ways" with such a one-sided "separate but equal" position and blacks only affiliations. Regrettably, however, too many African American power brokers and vested/special interests have much to lose and everything to "gain" by keeping alive the hypocritical status quo and institutionalized fortress of intolerance and reverse racism.

    • Posted By: sylthe4th @ 02/12/2008 4:37:39 PM

      lol, so u really think black people's goal as a group is to keep you out of restaurants.... ok ... i mean but cmon, howd that make you feel? now imagine, if police officers came outa no where, pushed you out of the restaurant with water hoses, and sent police dogs after you.. wouldnt that give you a different view of what justice really means in america..... by the way thats what happened to us. and we're still trying to get over those traumatizing practices.

  • Posted By: tran58quil @ 02/12/2008 1:36:26 PM

    Interesting...our society insists the presidential race is not about gender and not about race, but the voters, many of whom have written on this blog, have associated this article with the presidential race. I say that only proves Wray Herbert's point.

  • Posted By: yearoight217 @ 02/12/2008 4:32:57 PM

    100% racism absolutely still exists. My bestfriend I have been friends with for 13-14 years is Puerto Rican and Dominican. I myself am white. Everytime my bestfriend and myself are out in public we still get looks from white families and white couples as if we should not be hanging out together. We have even been asked to not go through our "friends" line in a store, what I found to be funny was the old ladies who asked us didn't even look at me. They just continued to stare at my bestfriend while they continued to mutter back and forth to each other even after we moved lines. Also graduating from a small town in 2005 that is predominantly white, I had all of maybe 4 black students in my graduatiing class. The ignorant and completely unspeakable racist comments I heard everyday of school from people is totally uncalled for and the next time you hear something....."SPEAK UP" these losers and ignorant fools will not stop until they realize they are the true minorities.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 02/12/2008 3:31:09 PM

    Let me tell you guys, this is all about Obama propaganda. media stopped attacking Hillary and now has turned to passive talk still keeping him in focus. He is talking about so naively as if he never knew racism existed at this state. The implication is still that Hillary team will try to drown Obamy with racism. Well, the Clintons past actions and affinities speak for itself. If Obama can not gain majority among even democrats because there is a "race problem" how is he going to win in November?

    • Posted By: sylthe4th @ 02/12/2008 4:15:52 PM

      obama hasn't floundered because of racism, obviously this isn't his first time dealing with this. he did have to encounter republican smearing along the way just to become a US senator. (i'm sure whoever wanted his job didn't just give it up to him because he's black) SO obama's fine, the outrage and confusion is coming from all the citizens who are seeing things come back that they thought were gone

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