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  • Posted By: jyankey18 @ 02/12/2008 4:14:44 PM

    OK people. Do you honestly think that it is Obama's solutions to issues that is driving blacks to vote? That's BS and we all know it. I would contend that many blacks are voting for Obama b/c he is black. That is what reverse racism is! Additionally, how can anyone contend that Caucasions are racist in this election? As I recall, 50% of WHITE men are voting for Obama. Additionally, Obama has won states like Iowa and Nebraska. WHAT? The majority of residents in these states are white. So, whoever it is that is whining that poor Obama is yet another victim of racism needs a reality check. Maybe the question is..."is this country more sexist than racist?" Look at the numbers and you tell me.

  • Posted By: TELLTHETRUTH @ 02/12/2008 4:13:38 PM

    I MEANT TO SAY THE DEFINITION OF RACIST IS NOT "DISLIKING" A PERSON

  • Posted By: gaelicmissy13 @ 02/12/2008 12:28:42 PM

    I grew up the same time you did and I am not considered a racist by any means. In my family we have many many cultures. I am worried that I find the blacks so much more predujice in this world than the whites or any other culture. We have black tv channels, black awards, beauty queens etc. What would happen if that were only for the whites? I say Obama is running like a rock star and that is what he is being elected on. his race and the "star" factor. So why is he afraid to debate Hillary? Because he can't provide the information on how he is going to do any of the things he is promising. I find that very sad.

    • Posted By: Time for Change @ 02/12/2008 4:05:10 PM

      Hillary's camp says "Why won't he debate Hillary?". Obama's supporters says, " Why won't Hillary show her tax returns." Enough already this is immature.

      If you don't know what it is like to be a minority, then you will never understand why Blacks created BET and other organizations in the first place. Hopefully these organizations will not be needed as America progresses. Even the spanish has started creating their own organizations for the same reason. Children need to others just like themselves in order to believe their dreams can come true no matter what the color of their skin is.

    • Posted By: funkydrummer @ 02/12/2008 3:29:06 PM

      ARE YOU CRAZY???? I hope you are not talking about BET- This channel is not owned by blacks and has done nothing for the "Black" community in America I don't know one Black person who has watched BET since they took Tavis off the air... BET can't even take criticism from "our" own community- don't believe me- Google "the boondocks Vs BET" and read for yourself

    • Posted By: differentview @ 02/12/2008 12:53:27 PM

      gaelicmissy...the reason why there are black tv channels, awards etc. is because television is dominated by whites. Take a look at major networks and you will find few if any shows that document the black experience in a positive light. Most shows do not include blacks as characters period. look at Friends, how do you have a show based in NYC and only have one black included on the show as a visitor??! Beauty contests are still judged by the american standard of beauty so many blacks are not successful. check your facts about how 'if that were only for the whites"-many things still are.

  • Posted By: Natalie Rosen @ 02/12/2008 4:02:35 PM

    Generally, I think people are inclined to want to associate and imbue with power a member of what they perceive to be their own group. There are many preconceived notions which we learn about other groups who are not like we are. This, in fact, may be subconscious or even be woven into our genetic tapestry instructing us to do so. Having said that, however, it is not beyond the capacity of man, when he sees proof to the contrary, to invalidate or overrule a previously held belief because he knows those beliefs to be untrue. It helps to know that we are, each and every one, related to each other, a journey which began out of Africa. Our mitochondrial DNA proves that over and over again. The superficialities of skin color, sexual orientation, disability, sex or age in reality are small variables. Nonetheless, in the history of our species, they have loomed large.

    In previous centuries everyone took for granted that the sun revolved around the earth. It still SEEMS that it does except science has categorically proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the earth and its celestial cousins revolve around the sun. We must override the error of our ways because in this era science more and more is proving our previous beliefs were just that ... beliefs. Facts tell us a different story. We should act accordingly even if it is ever-so-difficult to do.

    Natalie Rosen

  • Posted By: YesISaidIt @ 02/12/2008 1:19:20 PM

    Blacks have channels, awards, beauty queens because the majority still does not care about our interest, our beauty, and our accomplishments. So we have had to build it for ourselves. Whites do have things all to themselves hhhhhmmm, seinfield, friends, FOX News (hahahaha), need I go on?? Once Whites recognize and understand WHITE PRIVILEGE we will never move on from racism or predjudice no matter who WE elect for President.

    • Posted By: news007 @ 02/12/2008 1:36:04 PM

      The point YOU are missing is that these things are allowed for blacks ONLY. That is BLACK PRIVILEDGE. I am sure you would never suggest that a channel called White Entertainment Television should be allowed to exist. I am equally certain that you would never approve of National Association for the Advancement of White People, or a United Anglo College Fund. Furthermore, you would probably not approve of these "rights" for any other race. Blacks only (excuse me; African American) right?

      • Posted By: Terrils @ 02/12/2008 3:59:12 PM

        This breaks my (extremely white) heart. There's no need for a White Entertainment Channel because all the rest of the channels are already white. Your other examples are equally risible as proof of "black privilege." They came into being to attempt to redress a social imbalance that continues to this day. How can this have escaped your notice? Please step away from your prejudices. Look at history. Look at sociology. Look at the world around you.

      • Posted By: Ellison DC @ 02/12/2008 1:50:12 PM

        You are obviously missing a few screws in the brain, my friend. None of these events are "black only"? They are historical significant and still relevant. In terms of cable channels, there is only 1 cable channel still on the air that is owned by African Americans. Let me give you a hint, it is not BET. 1 channel out of over 400 is "Black Priviledge"?

        As for the NAAWP, David Duke did found such an organization. You are a card carrying member correct?

        As for the UACF, such programs did exist. Affirmative action of a different kind exists too in college admissions to this very day. GWB directly benefited himself.

        Seems as if you suffer from bitterness and ignorance sir.

        • Posted By: news007 @ 02/12/2008 2:08:02 PM

          No I have never heard of an NAAWP, & would not support it. Whites as a whole do not generally support racist groups or organizations that exclude other races. Blacks not only do this , but are proud of it.

          • Posted By: Time for Change @ 02/12/2008 3:52:30 PM

            Neither one of you can speak for Blacks as a whole nor Whites as a whole. ALL whites are not prejudice and neither is all blacks.

        • Posted By: IvyEducatedYoungFemaleNOTvotingForObama @ 02/12/2008 2:09:47 PM

          In your simple understand of the world, ownership is the only determinative quality of exclusivity. This is a fallacy. There are several channels that cater exclusively to the black community. Because they are owned by whites does not diminish their racial aim.

          Moreover, NAAWP/UACF are admittedly racist organizations that preach white supremacy. However, they are not mainstream and acceptable in our society, or by myself.

          Organizations like the NAACP/UNCF are equally as racist, yet are lauded as beacons of progress; neither should exist.

          Finally, it is not bitterness or ignorance; it is exhaustion from having to bear the burden of things that were done years ago long before I, or Barack Obama were born, which today are being used to bolster a candidate that has no stance on many issues and is fooling the average American with his hopeless message of change.

      • Posted By: funkydrummer @ 02/12/2008 3:37:45 PM

        EXCUSE ME- I KNOW WHITES HOW HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE UNCF BECAUSE THEY WENT TO A HBCU-- GROW THE HELL UP ...

        PS I'm a BLACK AMERICAN BORN HERE AND WILL BE HERE; NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA AND DON'T PLAN ON GOING

      • Posted By: YesISaidIt @ 02/12/2008 2:45:57 PM

        White privilege is a sociological concept describing the advantages enjoyed by white persons beyond what is commonly experienced by the non-white people in those same social spaces (nation, community, workplace, etc.). It differs from racism or prejudice by the fact that a person benefiting from white privilege need not hold racist beliefs themselves. White privilege is being able to hail a cab at 3am in downtown NYC, White privilege is being able to go into saks and the work staff not thinking your trying to steal........

  • Posted By: Jackgenius @ 02/12/2008 3:47:50 PM

    This article is irrelevant. I would never vote for Obama because I disagree with his point of view. I will vote for Colin Powell or Condi Rice if I had a chance. You are trying to guilt trip people to question their decision to not vote for a marginally qualified hard left candidate. Thus, some people would vote for a minority candidate just because they feel guilty even if they think the candidate is barely qualified. By the way, John Kennedy was a 3 term congressman and two term senator- very different from a 2 years senator from Illinois. At this point in history it is the responsibility of minorities, women and gays to convince people that they are capable of objective judgment in office and not out to take revenge and try to get back at past prejudice.

  • Posted By: tjkl2007 @ 02/12/2008 3:47:42 PM

    I was all for this fighting for equality, but I can't take black people pretending that they're still in the slave days and that everything that happened in the past happened to them directly. I especially can't stand the way that a lot of younger boys think its cool to dress as though they were black. I'm not racist at all..I'm just so sick of people thinking that all white people are racist and all black people are the victims.

  • Posted By: Lauren Day @ 02/12/2008 3:43:31 PM

    Could someone explain to me the value of of paying for studies that stir up animosity between people? These so-called "researchers" probably have their own conclusions drawn before the study even gets underway....talk about prejudice! We all have our biases. But better for them to stay "below the surface" than to be expressed like they used to be.

  • Posted By: tran58quil @ 02/12/2008 2:07:06 PM

    Obama may not be the best candidate for president (at least I don't think so) but he sure knows how to go after what he wants. He wanted the white vote, and he's getting it. Now he's pursuing the Latino vote (NYTimes, 2/12/08). He's not looking beyond color/racial lines, although that is what he wants us to think. He is acknowledging the differences and working them. He is not my choice for President, but I grant him points on strategy and brilliance - he has figured out a way to get everyone to fall in love with him, despite the fact that we know very little about him. He has successfully won over a good majority of women and white voters, although he states nothing in his positions about what he has in store for any of us.

    • Posted By: Time for Change @ 02/12/2008 3:38:23 PM

      If you remain uninformed of Obama's position on the issues is only becasue you choose to be. You can become an informed voter like everone else and visit the candidates' website.

      To win anything you must have a strategic plan; that's what smart people do.

  • Posted By: cajundawg @ 02/12/2008 3:12:28 PM

    If the media would stop writing about how racist everyone is, there wouldn't be a racist issue. It's these very articles that fuel suspicion between members of each race. And the accused always ends up being those who are "white." Want to make whites and blacks really hate each other? Keep writing about it as if it's true.

    • Posted By: apple87 @ 02/12/2008 3:35:41 PM

      To suggest that racism is created simply because people write articles about it is ludicrous and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what racism is. Just because you read something somewhere doesn't mean you are going to become "suspicious" of another race. The media is simply creating a very small dialog about a very real, big issue. The civil rights movement changed the laws, but not the way people treat one another.

    • Posted By: apple87 @ 02/12/2008 3:29:38 PM

      To say that articles fuel suspicion between races and create hatred is ludicrous. Hatred doesn't come about because you read something somewhere, it is ingrained in us all our lives. The media doesn't even begin to write about the true racism that exists. Not talking about something doesn't make it go away. In order for things to change, there must be a discussion first. The truth is racism is a HUGE issue in this country and hardly anybody is talking about it. It isn't really in the news because it's a really hard thing to admit is still going on. The civil rights movement just changed our laws, not how people actually treat one another in every day life.

  • Posted By: traine @ 02/12/2008 10:33:13 AM

    "A large and growing number of psychologists now argue that a welter of prejudices are simmering just below the surface of society: prejudices against many ethnic groups, against women, gays, the elderly, and outsiders like the homeless and drug addicts."

    Chilling! So apparently the only people group capable of prejudice is white heterosexual males under 65. The sentence quoted above utterly fails to recognize the most basic truth: all people have some level of prejudice against others who are different in any way. If you attend a different high school, if you live in a different part of town, if you are discovered to make more or less money ... the list is endless. Each person is a cocktail of impulses to distrust that which is "other." And most folks overcome those impulses, stretch themselves, and get along OK.

    But right now it seems that involvement in organized religion, success in business, and european ancestry (and all other seeming indicators of "insider-ness") are triggers for a sort of prejudice that no-one will acknowledge, and the sentence above is a perfect example.

    Prejudice against white men might be the biggest reason John Edwards was third the Dem primary. Prejudice against blacks may be the biggest reason Obama loses, or prejudice against women may be the biggest reason Clinton loses.

    If MCcain wins the whole thing, writers like Herbert will not be able to stop themselves from concluding that it is only because a majority of voting Americans are race or gender biased.

    Me. I'm rooting for Obama -- but certainly not because it's "about time" a black was in office, or to prove with my ballot that I'm not racist. It is because he's the best candidate on the issues I stand for, and he's a damn compelling speaker.

    I am utterly sick of the layers of blame spread around in the name of equality. The vast majority of folks are just trying to figure it out, and telling them over and over that they are "haters" just muddies the waters and adds to the problem.

    • Posted By: DCSteve @ 02/12/2008 2:05:07 PM

      This is the only inteliigent post on this entire board. We fear others that don't look like us, talk like us, believe in the same values we believe in. We fear what we don't know and what we are not comfortable with.

      'Course having said that I agree with everything you said other than backing Obama. Go Hillary.

      • Posted By: funkydrummer @ 02/12/2008 3:34:07 PM

        DCSteve,
        That was classic... We all have predjudices-- I hate people with long hair. I hate skinny people, I hate fat people...
        BUT I LOVE OBAMA

  • Posted By: lee226 @ 02/12/2008 3:32:17 PM

    There is no races...word invented to divide us....there is the human race with cutlural and ideologic differences and phisionmies given the environment twhere hey development ensued.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 02/12/2008 3:31:13 PM

    Let me tell you guys, this is all about Obama propaganda. media stopped attacking Hillary and now has turned to passive talk still keeping him in focus. He is talking about so naively as if he never knew racism existed at this state. The implication is still that Hillary team will try to drown Obamy with racism. Well, the Clintons past actions and affinities speak for itself. If Obama can not gain majority among even democrats because there is a "race problem" how is he going to win in November?

  • Posted By: lee226 @ 02/12/2008 3:29:17 PM

    unless you are one of them.

    We are at times in a profession that requires sacrifice and people who work with addicts and see the ravage of the addiction grow depressed and unhappy, a normal reaction, and think about leaving the profession...normal again.

    Life is a continuos cycle of change as we each grow to conquer our fears and embrace that wich we fear.

    Psychological study of a certain group will always be biased because we refuse generally to be placed in boxex.
    American expecially the whites are arrogant if they believe they can dissect and test a human heart and find the truth.

    When I came to this country not having experience with racism I began to be infected with the bug and fears to a degree, I fought back making friends with african americans.

    I think our collective guilt and fears have been overcome and as far as harboring dark impulse against other groups that is life and we deal with it on a daily basis.

    Let's not put everyone in the same bunch. To change people and help the country we need to unite against a common enemy, the one that could destroy our constitution, our future and our children's future...the spectre of division, complacency toward injustice, untruthfulness, cowardice, and lack of reverence for life, all life.
    I believe the new generation and those in between are the new wave of true americans who realize fully the motto
    Ou of many ..one.... E pluribus....UNUM.....
    namaste

  • Posted By: mosha_the_spy @ 02/12/2008 3:28:54 PM

    Everyone is not racist. I'm not racist. I do judge people by their appearance (the clothes they wear and they way they act) but that is not racism, that is an educated guess. I'm not voting for Obama because it will make me feel better about myself, I'm voting for him because he is the only remotely inspiring option out there. I'm under 30 and grew up on the coast, so maybe that puts me in a different category than "everybody". There is a silent racist majority in this country though and all I can do is pray the old bigots pass away without rubbing off too much on the generations to come.

  • Posted By: lizleiba @ 02/12/2008 3:24:43 PM

    The media did not invent racism. The fact that people want to have an intelligent dialog about race and race relations doesn't fuel suspicion. It helps us to understand things about the races that we don't. Not because we don't care, but perhaps we don't know or are not exposed to these issues in our own communities. Yes, everyone has prejudices and the fact of the matter is that some people are in a position to act on them. anaffecaaaaaaaaffect the lives of others. Thjis

  • Posted By: thickntwisted @ 02/12/2008 2:51:22 PM

    This article makes racism sound like a bad thing. White people are superior to black people, so what's wrong with just accepting that?

    • Posted By: bryanphoenix @ 02/12/2008 3:23:00 PM

      your are so ignorant that I will waste my soap cleaning your head.

    • Posted By: bryanphoenix @ 02/12/2008 3:21:44 PM

      You are so ingnorant that you are shooting your own feet.

    • Posted By: sylthe4th @ 02/12/2008 3:01:10 PM

      this article doesnt refer to real racist scum like you..(who will probably end up in hell) this is for all those GOOD people, who with all their heart want to be fair and equal. its preaching the necessity of all of us who want to move away from the past, being more considerate of the very different struggles that we all face in our day to day lives

  • Posted By: tjkl2007 @ 02/12/2008 3:21:13 PM

    I think that this article tells us a lot of things. People in general aren't necessarily bad, and can a person really be blamed for having a prejudice that was more than likely instilled in them early in life? Is it our fault (white americans) that we were favored at one time in history. I also believe that anyone who thinks that it is only minorities that suffer racism, is completely wrong. There are many many white people who are treated poorly by african americans and other ethnic groups. So, for someone to say that racism is one sided, is completely wrong. I want someone to tell me, the last time they were around black people, being white themselves, and not called snowflake or white chocolate. I believe that it doesn't happen where a person can't say that, for the simple fact that EVERYONE is racist against someone. It's in our psyche's not to like certain people.

    What I'm trying to say is... no one is better than anyone else, and I honestly believe that, but it's also not the racist person's fault that they are the way they are.

  • Posted By: jackstraw @ 02/12/2008 3:20:41 PM

    Why is it that everyone automatically thinks of racism as white people hating black people? I have dealt with a lot of racism in my life, and I am a white woman. Unless you have dealt with rasicm yourself, you have no idea what it feels like to be hated because of something you cannot control.
    Not all white people hate black people even when they've dealt with more rasicm being the "superior" race than the average black American. Grow up people, if you want to hate someone, find something a little more creative to dislike about them then the color of their skin!

  • Posted By: tjkl2007 @ 02/12/2008 3:20:07 PM

    I think that this article tells us a lot of things. People in general aren't necessarily bad, and can a person really be blamed for having a prejudice that was more than likely instilled in them early in life? Is it our fault (white americans) that we were favored at one time in history. I also believe that anyone who thinks that it is only minorities that suffer racism, is completely wrong. There are many many white people who are treated poorly by african americans and other ethnic groups. So, for someone to say that racism is one sided, is completely wrong. I want someone to tell me, the last time they were around black people, being white themselves, and not called snowflake or white chocolate. I believe that it doesn't happen where a person can't say that, for the simple fact that EVERYONE is racist against someone. It's in our psyche's not to like certain people.

    What I'm trying to say is... no one is better than anyone else, and I honestly believe that, but it's also not the racist person's fault that they are the way they are.

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