Those people make me sick! Comments like "When do Marines lie?--Every time they move their lips" make me even more disgusted. Do these idiots ever wonder where they would be without Marines? Had it not been for the Marines in WWII they would not have free speech today. It's one thing to protest the war, its another to call Marines liars. I support their right to protest the war, they have no right to throw the Marines out of Berkley. Is'nt it funny that they want to take away the rights of the Marines who put there lives on the line defending these idiots rights. These people love to abuse their right to free speech and sure don't mind trampling on the rights of others. I find that somewhat ironic.
The Military vs. Berkeley
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Posted By: mdrw @ 02/13/2008 9:11:42 PM
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Posted By: observer101 @ 02/13/2008 8:44:04 PM
Some ppl obviously have nothing better to do but go and protest against the very ppl that protect them. They are a sad sight indeed. As for some comments which wars are for the right reason? Every war America has engaged itself in has had neigh sayers running amuck spouting off the same crap as they are now. Let them rant and rave. People with the real common sense know that our country is well protected by the finest in the world no matter what president is in office. Later in the future history books will have pics of the cowards and fools protesting and Im sure they will be proud to show there grandchildren and explain why they treated there own like this. Absolutely dispicable. I for one would love nothing more than to thank every armed forces personel for there bravery and sacrafices for my freedoms and others around the world. May God speed and protect them no matter where they are.
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Posted By: don953 @ 02/13/2008 8:12:50 PM
Does anybody even remember that Tom Hayden, along with Jane Fonda, actively supported the Vietnameese military against American Troops? How does this tratorous piece of garbage have any right to discuss America?
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Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 02/13/2008 8:07:31 PM
The US soldiers are fighting the wrong wars and for the wrong reasons. The invasion of Iraq was definitely illegal and everyone knows that Bush had lied. The soldiers died in vain for NOTHING. If the soldiers had fought the right war, not only the US citizens but the entire world will support them! But still the soldiers are not at fault, just bring them back home!
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Posted By: pnfpnf @ 02/13/2008 7:50:13 PM
It is interesting that rightwingers are spinning Berkeley's support of protestors at a Marine recruiting station as "interfering with free speech", yet are threatening to cut off funds to several city functions, including schoolkids' lunches, for the city's originally planned letter telling the Marines the station is not wanted. Whose free speech exactly are they saying is protected--and whose not? This is no minor point, as efforts to stifle the views of the antiwar "minority" (usually, actually, a significant majority) and to malign, demean, and if necessary detroy anti-recruitment efforts are always part of the repertoire of those political forces demanding war.
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Posted By: jc007 @ 02/13/2008 6:10:06 PM
As usual, the chorus of anti-liberalism begins. They believe that Americans who protest wars are all the same. That is ignorance. Anti-war activists in Berkeley, New York, Austin, etc are against sending our young men and women to a conflict that is illegal, ill-advised, and for all the wrong reasons. They are being used for means to an end that will not benefit. Yes, Taddei_wife87, we are there for a reason - the wrong one. And, our sons, husband, daughters, mothers, and family members should not have to suffer because of it. Stop being duped by the political talking heads. They benefit from your ignorance. I commend the troops for risking their lives everyday and I want them to come home. They protect my family and my way of live regardless of belief. That is the wonderful thing about democracy. Americans have a right to protest and assemble and speak up when they feel that something is not right. The majority of Americans believe this war is wrong and want it to end. And sometimes, civil disobedience in places like Berkeley, CA must happen to push back the oppressive and overbearing government. It is part of America. I am not a "tree hugging hippie" - and I am anti-war. I own a home, have a family, pay my taxes. My wife owns a small business. I am glad that folks object and stand up once in a while. The other option iis that we believe everything our politicians and military leaders tell us and step in line. That's not democracy. You husband fought for America and that is something. I thank him for that and for allowing us to remain a democracy.
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Posted By: sjbrock80 @ 02/13/2008 6:22:03 PM
JC007, while I agree people have the right to protest anything, I disagree that we are being duped by political talking heads.
The media and some political talking heads do not tell the truth all the times, or when they do, they spin it to make you think a certain way. This is of course not news to you, as you seem to be a reasonable, intelligent person.
I'm not in the military, but work for the military, and the news I receive from Iraq is completely different than what mainstream media reports. All we hear about in the news or in blogs is the latest bombing, or the most recent scandal in Iraq or in Afghanistan.
The news I see shows the day-to-day progress of building an Iraqi Air Force and Iraqi Army/Police. Things are progressing very well and they should be just fine within another year or two. It takes time to set these things up!!
I'm all for getting our troops out and moving on. But blaming the marines in the neighborhood or yelling at riot police, as shown in the picture, is NOT a solution. These people need to use political means to bring their opinions to Congress and the President. They need to vote, write their Congressman, and recruit people to help them, not blame people trying to do their jobs.-
Posted By: jc007 @ 02/13/2008 6:48:38 PM
You are correct. Berkeley went about it to an extreme, coming from me as a liberal myself. The media muddles the picture with shots of inflammatory and conflictual photos. And you are also correct that the news on the ground is not getting to Americans properly. I realize this is a great frustration to military folks and their families, because we all want to believe we are doing the right thing. This is obviously not new and happens in all conflicts. And troops are the ones stuck in the middle of a huge political debate. They are performing their duty, despite even their own misgivings. I respect that, for they must be ready to act a moments notice. Progress in Iraq will take time, but Americans can't see that. And all the controversy with how we got into this mess does not help. Berkeley, I believe, did not have the intention to blame our troops, not to disrespect them. Hell, I just learned that the Mayor of the town was in the Army and has apologized to the Marines and there families. I think that the town city counsel just thought they could fight the Administration a different way, much to the damage of military personnel. I think that if we want to see change, we need to vote for it and form coalitions through the channels you mentioned.
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Posted By: Taddei_wife87 @ 02/13/2008 5:39:59 PM
Its funny how all these people have their freedom to go and display their opinions about how we should end the war and not be there and all of their nonsence...if it werent for our Men and Boys over there now and in previous wars You wouldn't have that right. Next time you go to voice your opinion, find a soldier to thank for that freedom because without them you wouldn't have it.
My husband just got home from an * year service to our country and every day I had to sit and listen to the ignorance from people thinking we are there for no reason. They are there to protect their loved ones. To keep the war from comming to OUR shores and even to protect those of you who object to them being there. If they didn;t do it who would?? Certainely not these tree hugging hippies who have poped up with all their objections.
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Posted By: Taddei_wife87 @ 02/13/2008 5:39:37 PM
Its funny how all these people have their freedom to go and display their opinions about how we should end the war and not be there and all of their nonsence...if it werent for our Men and Boys over there now and in previous wars You wouldn't have that right. Next time you go to voice your opinion, find a soldier to thank for that freedom because without them you wouldn't have it.
My husband just got home from an * year service to our country and every day I had to sit and listen to the ignorance from people thinking we are there for no reason. They are there to protect their loved ones. To keep the war from comming to OUR shores and even to protect those of you who object to them being there. If they didn;t do it who would?? Certainely not these tree hugging hippies who have poped up with all their objections.
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