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  • Posted By: mindINuse @ 02/14/2008 1:24:26 PM

    Good read. For people interested in getting beyond the propaganda, this is merely a fraction of what educated people on the subject already know. It is just so disheartening that the majority of people accept the "they just hate us because we have better lives than them" line.

    • Posted By: piinalu @ 02/15/2008 9:15:08 AM

      A solid point, reinforced by the subsequent posts... embarrassing.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 02/14/2008 1:52:07 PM

      WELL PUT

  • Posted By: derekneu @ 02/15/2008 1:43:15 AM

    I don't disagree, necessarily, with what Mr. Sheuer says, but he makes only one valid point with regard to a solution: education. While I agree this is a necessity to deal with the problem, it is by no means the "answer". Take each of the six points Bin Laden gives for his anger toward the west and ask yourself if you would give an inch on any of them. Point 1.) Support for Isreal. This is one of the only true functioning democracies in the area. We, in my opinion, have to support freedom wherever it lives. Point 2 & 3.) Presence on the Arabian peninsula and other Islamic countries. Our presence is needed in these countries not only to protect our financial interests, like oil, but also to be sure these militant islamic regimes don't go completely unchecked. Don't get me wrong, I think Bush is a complete idiot, but the truth of the matter is that without being able to aquire cheap oil, our economy would take a massive hit that would be very difficult to weather in a globally competetive marketplace. Point 4.) Support of foreign states that opress muslims. I disagree with this. We "deal" not support states that do not agree with muslim mentality if and only if it benefits us financially. Look at Kosovo, for example. Did we support them? Point 5. & 6.) Keeping oil prices artificially low and supporting regimes that do. First of all, Everyone wants to buy the things they need for as little as they can, and sellers try to sell their goods for as much as they can get. thats basic economics. The only reason oil is sold to us at the current price is that the sellers also need goods and services we privide. It is a symbiotic relationship. The answer, in my opinion, is two fold. 1.) Strain them any way we can financially. This is something we are currently doing, and should continue for as long as it takes. Finacially strangle any person, country, or organization who supports the extreme militant muslim cause and ideology, period. No tolerance. 2.) Embrace the liberal and rational muslim population. Let them know we will fight for their right to worship peacefully as they choose. We can only defeat this enemy from within. This cause is driven by ideology, and can only be defeated by it. Has history taught our leaders nothing?

    • Posted By: piinalu @ 02/15/2008 9:05:00 AM

      I agree with a lot of what you wrote (including your assessment of our current President). As I mentioned in another post, I think energy policy has be addressed as part of the solution. You're right about our current economic needs in relation to affordable oil, but how dramatically would the scenario change if we didn't need that oil. All kinds of options would become available, and all kinds of exposure would be eliminated.

  • Posted By: JRButler @ 02/15/2008 9:00:33 AM

    Hey Newsweek. Ask Michael Scheuer why Bin Laden's acolytes slaughter Arab Muslims at mosques, wedding parties, and pet markets. Is it for the same six reasons?

  • Posted By: piinalu @ 02/15/2008 8:58:08 AM

    Scary. Especially since it's from a credible voice. The lack of focus on the people and region, the explanation that they hate us for our virtue and the bi-partisan lack of appreciation for the complexity is a lot more frightening than the fear-mongering were hear out of Washington. The problem, as defined by Scheuer, isn't going away anytime soon, so when will we realize that the solution isn't just about hunting bad guys? Mr Rumsfed even acknowledged that we're probably helping them recruit new members faster than we can kill them. And when we will address energy policy as a means of national security? We shouldn't abandon Israel, but the only reason we support any of the other regimes is for their oil. This is the United States, damn it, we can solve any problem we put our minds to. Let's discover, invent, develop alternatives to oil so we can have the room to get out of the Faustian deals that ultimately support the people that want to attack us.

  • Posted By: carnabylane @ 02/15/2008 7:31:02 AM

    Bin Laden is in another country, what about the terrorism that's going on in our schools, like the Illinois campus,by homegrown terrorists. Politicians need to deal with the culture of anger, fear and hopelessness griping this country. They have ignored it too long.

  • Posted By: MrMikeBinkey @ 02/15/2008 2:16:00 AM

    According to Michael Scheuer, Osama bin Laden owes a lot to the simian wings of the Republicrat and Demopublican Parties. These chest thumpers are doing much to advance his cause by alienating America from the rest of the world. Osama bin Laden also owes much to their stooges in the press. (See Wrong Paul for the latest Newsweek hatchet job on Ron Paul, the remaining voice of sanity remaining in the presidential race, today.) It looks like mission accomplished; these guys may have managed to drive Dr. Paul out of the race. With patriots like our reporters, America does not need traitors.

  • Posted By: TheCaptKirk @ 02/15/2008 1:50:56 AM

    That Scheuer still feels after six years that nobody in DC grasps the big picture chills me. Scheuer's willingness to actually READ and COMPREHEND the implications of bin Laden's manifesto sets him apart from perhaps all but 4 members of congress, all of the White House staff, and nearly every citizen. If more Americans visualized bin Laden living in a walled compound complete with fountain, gardens, calm prayer room, dramatic views, reliable generator and space for guests we might take him more seriously. Until this know-nothing attitude changes we are headed for oblivion.

  • Posted By: derekneu @ 02/15/2008 1:41:32 AM

    I don't disagree, necessarily, with what Mr. Sheuer says, but he makes only one valid point with regard to a solution: education. While I agree this is a necessity to deal with the problem, it is by no means the "answer". Take each of the six points Bin Laden gives for his anger toward the west and ask yourself if you would give an inch on any of them. Point 1.) Support for Isreal. This is one of the only true functioning democracies in the area. We, in my opinion, have to support freedom wherever it lives. Point 2 & 3.) Presence on the Arabian peninsula and other Islamic countries. Our presence is needed in these countries not only to protect our financial interests, like oil, but also to be sure these militant islamic regimes don't go completely unchecked. Don't get me wrong, I think Bush is a complete idiot, but the truth of the matter is that without being able to aquire cheap oil, our economy would take a massive hit that would be very difficult to weather in a globally competetive marketplace. Point 4.) Support of foreign states that opress muslims. I disagree with this. We "deal" not support states that do not agree with muslim mentality if and only if it benefits us financially. Look at Kosovo, for example. Did we support them? Point 5. & 6.) Keeping oil prices artificially low and supporting regimes that do. First of all, Everyone wants to buy the things they need for as little as they can, and sellers try to sell their goods for as much as they can get. thats basic economics. The only reason oil is sold to us at the current price is that the sellers also need goods and services we privide. It is a symbiotic relationship. The answer, in my opinion, is two fold. 1.) Strain them any way we can financially. This is something we are currently doing, and should continue for as long as it takes. Finacially strangle any person, country, or organization who supports the extreme militant muslim cause and ideology, period. No tolerance. 2.) Embrace the liberal and rational muslim population. Let them know we will fight for their right to worship peacefully as they choose. We can only defeat this enemy from within. This cause is driven by ideology, and can only be defeated by it. Has history taught our leaders nothing?

  • Posted By: dukeitout @ 02/15/2008 12:45:33 AM

    Mr. Scheuer makes some very valid points. bin Laden has more or less itemized why he and his angry followers are bent on doing massive damage to our country. Only a fool would disregard the reasons. Inexplicably, our policy makers ignore them. I have my own ideas but I won't list them. It's just silly to say they want to destroy us because they are just envious of our way of life. Meanwhile we've got to destroy bin Laden's hateful fringe movement by employing some real intelligence. The intelligence tactics would certainly include moving our resources from Iraq to the real battle ground.

  • Posted By: garysgary @ 02/14/2008 12:28:06 PM

    Mr. Scheuer is correct. Our unilateral support of Isreal is the main problem. We have become The United States of Isreal. Isreal owns this and previous administrations. Isreal owns our congress. Our international relations are completely held hostege by our relationship with Isreal. We support Isreal with billions of dollars in aid, advanced weaponry and intelligence and they haven't put one soilder on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan. How does a country the size of Honduras (approx. 7 million pop.) come to control the foreign policy of the greatest country on earth? How does one-tenth of one percent of the world's population acquire hundreds of nuclear weapons? No matter what George Bush says about the war on terror, the Iraq war is about protecting Isreal. Period. Does anyone remeber Saddam sending scud missils into Isreal in Gulf war? Isreal has wanted the U.S. to take out Iraq, Iran, Syria et al ever since. Isreal has become the yoke around our neck when it comes to international relations. Unfortunately, I do not see this changing

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 02/14/2008 12:49:01 PM

      I FEAR YOUR RIGHT ON ALL COUNTS

      • Posted By: u4getsoeasy @ 02/14/2008 4:37:10 PM

        wow... that's just great.

        Newsflash...israel gets 2 billion in aid, which they are contractually obligated to use to buy american weaponry.

        We are taking 2bn of US taxpayer's money, and putting it into the pockets of us weapons manufacturers. That's the extent of our support for israel.

        Israel doesn't control anything. They are fighting for existance by any means necessary, just like every single country and living creature on this planet.

        If you want to point your finger somewhere, see which industry is making the most profit EVER in the history of indurstry right now... (hint: it's not "the jews")

        • Posted By: reads-source-documents @ 02/14/2008 11:11:10 PM

          Israel, unlike any other country, may use money for military aid for either (1) buying their own weapons, or (2) building weapons manufacturing capablility to sustain their largest export sector, weapons and the technology to make them work. If you actually want to see it, look at the present and past foreign operations bills. The number for this year available for Israel in-country expenditure is fully two-thirds of a billions dollars.
          Both your numbers and your premise that all the money simply comes back to the US are false.

  • Posted By: keep it real @ 02/14/2008 10:55:19 PM

    the only reason the demorats want to go after repubicans is what they did to bill clinton. who if you had any brains keep more information for congress than any prez every.
    the only reason we had 9/11 is bill clinton, they bombed twin towers he did nothing, they bomb our ship he does nothing, if we vote a democrat in office we will be in big danger just wait,,

  • Posted By: njtg42 @ 02/14/2008 9:30:05 PM

    Wow what an article. I don't disagree with all of it. But some of the questions and answers really perplex me. Why haven't we won the war in 4 years like WWIi? That's a pretty naive question. Whatever you think of Bush he did say right after 9/11/ that it would be a long struggle. Second, I thought our relations, for example, with Russia were strained. They don't exactly do what we want a lot of the time do they? I studied history too. I remember reading about Neville Chamberlain giving Hitler the Sudetenland and of course Hitler didn't exactly stop there.

  • Posted By: BB123 @ 02/14/2008 5:07:44 PM

    Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal, when you blow yourself up in the name of ISLAM, you will not end up in paradise with 72 virgins. You will go straight to HELL and Satan will be standing there laughing at you for believing the LIE that ISLAM is !!! ALLAH is a Moon god, ALLAH is a FALSE god, ALLAH is SATAN, and your entire religion is demonically based. WAKE UP ! Get on the winning side ! Or else, you will LOSE in the end !

    • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 6:19:26 PM

      I'd shame me momma if I blew myself up for the sake of anyone. Wouldn;t that be unjust ot the insects, plants and any other living thing that was killed too? As a Christian it is your duty to pray for this world and pray that the Lord guide those people before the judgement. Are the christians who say Jesus is the son of Allah also servants of satan because of the language the speak when them call on God? Judge yourself 1st.

    • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 6:14:22 PM

      The Quran says "Oh you who believe, do not let hatred of a people incite you to act unjustly" Osama no friend of mine, he is unjust and he will face judgment for it. Injustice is the plague of the world. As a muslim and more importantly a human injustice is abhorrent in any and all it's forms no matter who is on the giving end of it whether ii is people blowing everyone up at pet markets to F-16 superbombs killing whoever, to Israelis bulldozing elderly peop;e in the homes to priest mosesting children to police beating innocent unarmed peoples.

    • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 6:14:01 PM

      BB123 Do you molest children? Will you be in heaven with the priest dem that do? I pray not. In the same way that Christian faith doesn't condone the molestation of the youth is the same way Islam strictly forbids the killing of the innocents. "Who so ever slays a soul unjustly it is as if he has slain all of mankind". If one uses a bomb to kill where is the justice. You didn't answer my question anyway. What about your bretheren?

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 02/14/2008 4:42:34 PM

    B123 proves the point:Who made the USA responsable for other countries religions ie:"You can worship who you please, as long as you do it our way ,or else" New Forgin policy, we pay for in life and country and leaves us drowing in debt. This is the right direction, when your own country suffers with every word? Religion is a small part, of what we tell who, how, to live there lives, as W.e A.re R.ight? Not God, if he realy knew we use his name for a reason to kill millions? He would be pissed off big time, Is the way i was taught!!

    • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 6:13:16 PM

      I'd shame me momma if I blew myself up for the sake of anyone. Wouldn;t that be unjust ot the insects, plants and any other living thing that was killed too? As a Christian it is your duty to pray for this world and pray that the Lord guide those people before the judgement. Are the christians who say Jesus is the son of Allah also servants of satan because of the language the speak when them call on God? Judge yourself 1st.

  • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 5:51:15 PM

    The Quran says "Oh you who believe, do not let hatred of a people incite you to act unjustly" Osama no friend of mine, he is unjust and he will face judgment for it. Injustice is the plague of the world. As a muslim and more importantly a human injustice is abhorrent in any and all it's forms no matter who is on the giving end of it whether ii is people blowing everyone up at pet markets to F-16 superbombs killing whoever, to Israelis bulldozing elderly peop;e in the homes to priest mosesting children to police beating innocent unarmed peoples.

  • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 5:35:55 PM

    I'd shame me momma if I blew myself up for the sake of anyone. Wouldn;t that be unjust ot the insects, plants and any other living thing that was killed too? As a Christian it is your duty to pray for this world and pray that the Lord guide those people before the judgement. Are the christians who say Jesus is the son of Allah also servants of satan because of the language the speak when them call on God? Judge yourself 1st.

  • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 5:32:09 PM

    BB123 Do you molest children? Will you be in heaven with the priest dem that do? I pray not. In the same way that Chrisitan faith doesn't condone the molestation of the youth is the same way Islam strictly forbids the killing of the innocents. "Who so ever slays a soul unjustly it is as if he has slain all of mankind". If one uses a bomb to kill where is the justice. You didn't answer my question anyway. What about your bretheren?
    that say ALll

  • Posted By: BB123 @ 02/14/2008 3:58:49 PM

    Get a clue people ! This is a SPIRITUAL war ! Islam vs. Christianity. It is as simple as that. It has nothing to do with oil prices or American forces being on Muslim soil. If the USA pulled ALL troops out of the Middle East today, ISLAM would still want to kill us. WAKE UP PEOPLE ! ISLAM wants to DOMINATE the world. Islam does NOT want anyone to worship freely or have a free society. ISLAM wants the world to be controlled by Sharia law ! LISTEN ! ALLAH is NOT god ! The Muslims do not worship or pray to the same GOD of the universe that non-Muslims do. Here's the good news - ISLAM will be defeated in the end ! It's only a matter of time !

    • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 4:23:19 PM

      Hmm, heres something to ponder... Did you know that bibles are translated in Arabic? I one read in one that "Allah loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son...." So if Christian Arab speaking people call god Allah, how can you say that they don't pray to the same god you do. They are chrisitan and believe in the trinity, what makes you a better Christian?

    • Posted By: u4getsoeasy @ 02/14/2008 4:19:13 PM

      Oh my! Check your brain for remnants of laundry detergent before you type next time.

      So Islam isn't the most progressive religion in the world, but it's 600 years older than Christianity. Just think what Christianity was doing 600 years ago! Ever heard of the crusades? The Spanish Enquisition? Every european war prior to the 20th century was christians fighting other christians over whose version was better. Every religion wants to be the ONLY religion, and thinks they are the only ones who are right. That's what a religion is!

  • Posted By: jeffco44408 @ 02/14/2008 4:35:51 AM

    Not a canidate that is talking about this ? there is one that has been talking about this for over a year but the main stream liberal media refuses to let him talk or give him any air time because they are run by the liberal jews . that canidate is RON PAUL. . iF THIS COUNTRY DOSEN'T WAKE ITS ASS UP THE 3RD WORLD WAR HAS STARTED AND WE ARE BEING LIED TO BY THE LIKES OF HITLERLY AND MC cain

    • Posted By: al75 @ 02/14/2008 6:18:15 AM

      As I commented above, I agree that our blind support of right-wing Israeli policies is an ever-more-deadly mistake. But, jeffco, your comment is idiotic, and is part of the reason its so hard to discuss this -- the big problem with criticizing Israeli/AIPAC influence in the US, is that one finds oneself lumped in with ignorant and often openly anti-semitic ranters - as your intemperate remarks make you out to be. It isn't the "liberal jews " who control the media. It is - to the extent that Jews are involved -- the right-wing Jews, who defected from Henry Jackson (Dem) to Ronald Reagan (Repub) in 1980. This lead to Reagan's undermining the Camp David Accords, permitting continued Isreali annexation of the West Bank to continue, supoosedly in the name of fightinhg the soviet Union.

      Not liberal Jews, Jeff, right wing Jews. Got that?

      If liberal Jews were running the media, it would look very different. Check ouut Americans for Peace Now if you don't believe me!jews" who

      • Posted By: Naver @ 02/14/2008 10:15:07 AM

        Grow up and quit this "Jew" blaming nonsense. It has nothing more to do with "The Jews" then Germany going into decline and blaming "The Jews". It is all about power, and it does not care what race, religion, etc. you are. If it wasn't the Jews it would be someone else to blame.

        • Posted By: u4getsoeasy @ 02/14/2008 4:14:03 PM

          No, the jews will do just fine. Let's just keep blaiming the jews instead of realizing that the American people will never vote for a president who isn't a white anglosaxon male, who's going to promise us low taxes, and cheap oil. :)

  • Posted By: cbrfrance @ 02/14/2008 4:59:08 AM

    Does anyone care to take a sensible investigation of the basic theology of Islam (before the international relations blunders of either side) and ask what the foreign policy of the actual religion really is? I find it absurd for any pundit or policy maker to assume that this fight will be won on the crux of a change in American foreign policy, although in moral principle I can sympathize with the call for those changes to be made. The publicly unstated fact to-date is that this is an ideological war that is not caused by bad foreign policy, but is in fact further enraged by bad foreign policy. But nobody wants to say it because even fewer these days can distinguish the difference between insulting an idea/religion and insulting a person, and that thanks to the unbridled advance of the hallowed ideals of political correctness. The statements given by Michael Scheuer lend credence to the fact that education does not snuff out the "myth of religion", as he has shed light on the highly educated cadre of the new gaurd of al-Qaeda (a number of them Ivy Leaguers, à la Arab princes). Set that up alongside the sweeping proliferation of Islam across what many had once assumed to be the stable, religion-purged secular societies of Western European WHITE PEOPLE (where I live, by the way) who for no personal political reason somehow become sympathetic out of nowhere to terrorism, and there's no way you can prove to me that this conflict is the result of ONLY American foreign policy and lack of universal enlightenment.

    Scheuer is right in stating that a spineless American government has failed to call it what it really is: that in it's most basic form, Islam is a religion whose fundamental theology contains a foreign policy that is unwilling to acknowledge the most basic of human dignities given by God--that a human being has a innate hard-wired granted liberty to choose regardless of the moral consequences of that choice, provided that choice does not infringe upon that same right of another human being; and that only God himself has the right to carry out his own judgement where eternity is concerned. However, acknowledging that this planet does not and never will have the capacity to function on a plane of justice other than evil for evil, I am forced to subscribe to whatever foreign policy that will protect the American people, any other people, and and their respective borders from such a tyranny of theo-anthropological falsehood until Islam experiences a shift of its own foreign policy. Now, ask me if that will happen...

    • Posted By: al75 @ 02/14/2008 6:08:17 AM

      I don't mean to be rude - but this comment exemplifies why we are losing our war in the middle east. Mindless vilification of Islam offends and alienates the millions we need on our side if we are going to win. Are there plenty of Islamic maniacs? Sure. But take look at some of our Christian so-called visionaries. Like the man said, it's easier to see a speck of dust in your neighbor's eye; than it is to see the plank in your own.

      • Posted By: Abdullahsalahudin bin Jumaal @ 02/14/2008 3:37:42 PM

        Chapter 2: Verse 255 says "There is no compulsion in religion, the truth has been made moanifest from error...", your theory is as flawed as many ignorant people theorys are. True Islam is extremely tolerant of others religions, whatsoever it may be.. True Islam values all life as sacred and the only cause for taking of a life is in the pursuit of justice. Sound familiar?

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