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Running Dry

Climate research says Lake Mead, in the Southwest, could be gone by 2021. How millions in southern California and neighboring states would be affected.

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  • Posted By: Nins @ 07/10/2008 7:30:53 PM

    Know why McCain wants to distance himself from former Senator Phil Gramm? It is not just because of Gramm's recent obnoxious remarks calling Americans "a nation of whiners" and that unemployed Americans are in "a mental recession." In fact, those remarks were so obnoxious that I wonder if they were engineered just to provide McCain an excuse for publicly distancing himself from Gramm. This issue is a lot deeper than it looks on the surface.

    When Gramm was a Senator he was chair of the Committee on Banking, and in that capacity he was able to push through the legislation now known as the "Enron Loophole." This loophole allowed US investment banks to bypass the Federal regulations governing futures trading, and is the reason why the investment banks were able to falsely inflate the prices of oil, wheat, corn and other commodities through massive futures trading, causing your costs of gas, heating oil and food to go through the roof.

    Gramm was a member of McCain's campaign team, but now Gramms' name is turning to mud. In addition to the Enron loophole, Gramm pushed through the Gramm-Leach-Biley Act in 1999, which got rid of the laws that seperate banking, insurance and brokerage activities in America. Essentially, this Act did away with all of the good laws written after the Great Depression to protect us from another Wall Street/Banking Industry collapse. That's right, Gramm stripped the system of it's safe guards nine years ago, and guess what? The value of the dollar has nose-dived, Wall Street is highly unstable, and we are in the midst of a recession.

    Now you could say that this is not Gramm's fault, that he didn't know what the outcome of his actions would be. However, it turns out that the same investment banks that benefited from the Enron loophole and from the Gramm Act gave more than a million dollars to Gramm's campaign. Uh oh. A Congressional hearing is going to be convened to investigate this. And McCain wants to have noting to do with Gramm, wants us to forget that Gramm has been a key player on McCain's campaign team. Gramm was McCain's campaign CO-CHAIR and LEADING ECONOMIC ADVISER.

    With Gramm in the driver's seat as his leading economic adviser, now you know why economists and analysts are saying that McCain's economic policy plans are untenable.

  • Posted By: BumbershootBaby @ 07/09/2008 4:29:59 PM

    This is erroneous! There is one reason and one reason only that Lake Mead is running dry and scientists (so called) need to stop blaming agriculture. Las Vegas is the closest major city to Lake Mead (unless you count Laughlin and I don't). Las Vegas in the past twenty years has experienced an apocalyptic population explosion. They've also changed their skyline at least six times since I lived there. And where do you think all the water for the manmade lakes (think The Lakes suburb and Summerlin and Sun City) for the fake volcanoes, for the fake moats, for the fake harbors, for the dancing fountains, not to mention the huge golf courses comes from?

    I'm not even talking about the hotel pools and tons of laundry done each day there. THIS is the drain on Lake Mead and the Colorado river. Stop blaming global warming, climate change, emission or whatever and dry up Bellagio's dancing fountains, the pools, the huge golf courses and the idiocy "curb appeal" utilized in the form of Treasure Island's moat or The Mirage's volcano (all Wynn Properties I might add sucking up the most water).
    Get real people. This is not a new problem. The Valley Water district will go out and fine people for watering their postage stamp sized lawns but will not say boo to the worst water wasters: the hotels and golf courses.

  • Posted By: BumbershootBaby @ 07/09/2008 4:28:21 PM

    This is erroneous! There is one reason and one reason only that Lake Mead is running dry and scientists (so called) need to stop blaming agriculture. Las Vegas is the closest major city to Lake Mead (unless you count Laughlin and I don't). Las Vegas in the past twenty years has experienced an apocalyptic population explosion. They've also changed their skyline at least six times since I lived there. And where do you think all the water for the manmade lakes (think The Lakes suburb and Summerlin and Sun City) for the fake volcanoes, for the fake moats, for the fake harbors, for the dancing fountains, not to mention the huge golf courses comes from?

    I'm not even talking about the hotel pools and tons of laundry done each day there. THIS is the drain on Lake Mead and the Colorado river. Stop blaming global warming, climate change, emission or whatever and dry up Bellagio's dancing fountains, the pools, the huge golf courses and the idiocy "curb appeal" utilized in the form of Treasure Island's moat or The Mirage's volcano (all Wynn Properties I might add sucking up the most water).
    Get real people. This is not a new problem. The Valley Water district will go out and fine people for watering their postage stamp sized lawns but will not say boo to the worst water wasters: the hotels and golf courses.

  • Posted By: triciadavid @ 02/16/2008 12:22:28 AM

    It breaks my heart to see Lake Mead suffering from this water crisis. My parents have spent the past 40 years creating wonderful memories with our family and friends boating, camping and eventually owning a home for 15 years at Temple Bar. I can remember the water being so high it wiped away our swim beach, the ice house had to be sand bagged and the launch ramp was completely submerged. It amazes me to see what condition the lake is in now compared to 20 years ago. I can only hope and PRAY that the lake will be able to sustain itself so my children and generations to come will be able to grow up enjoying the lake as I did.

    • Posted By: DrZook @ 02/18/2008 8:05:28 AM

      Yeah let's all PRAY!!! You sad, sad, sad idiot! How about instead we DO something to fix the problem? Sorry lady, but God didn't save the 6 million jews who died in WWII or the Kurds who died from poison gas or the people in the twin towers or your neighbour who just died from cancer and surprise, surprise He ain't gonna save Lake Mead. So how about if you get up off your knees and get you and your fellow Americans to fix Lake Mead and the 1,001 other environmental problems that the greed and selfishness of the good old USA has brought into being.

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 5:18:05 PM

        if there is no God Drzook than why should I bother saving this wretched planet?

  • Posted By: Sumarongi @ 02/16/2008 12:29:48 AM

    Instead of watching King of the Hill and Family Guy and all of the other drivel on television produced for the illiterate masses, why don't you try watching the Science Channel, Discovery, or any of the really informative shows out there. Oh, that's right, I forgot you don't have the education needed to comprehend that level nor the attention span of a gnat.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 5:09:33 PM

      If we watched more propaganda channels we would be a lot smarter. Not me im going jetskiiing in Lake Mead before it all disappears.

    • Posted By: bradsrh @ 02/16/2008 12:40:06 AM

      I like king of the hill and family guy . I live in illinois , no forest fires , earth quakes , or huricanes and we have plenty of water . If you were as smart as you think you are you would move .

      • Posted By: DrZook @ 02/18/2008 7:59:24 AM

        Bradsrh what a pitiful, pitiful fool you are! The whole population of the U.S. should move to Illinois because everything can be found in plenty in your state? Exactly how long will the resources of Illinois last with 300,000,000 people living there? You are living proof of the intellectual impoverishment of the American people. Your society is on the brink of collapse and will take 3/4 of the planet with it.

        • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 5:07:11 PM

          The jokes on you he actually lives in IDaho but was hoping everyone would move to illinois so he could live out his life in peace.

    • Posted By: JoeDynamo @ 02/16/2008 12:38:07 AM

      Please include The Simpsons as well, when mentioning drivel.

  • Posted By: katiecat @ 02/16/2008 12:41:33 AM

    docgunny has said the magic number "2012"...............he IS coming

    • Posted By: JoeDynamo @ 02/16/2008 1:09:19 AM

      No man (or woman) will know the place and time, but Jim Jones led quite a few lemmings over the precipice, didn't he.

      • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 5:03:03 PM

        and that kool aid was made with water!!!!

    • Posted By: mbronner @ 02/18/2008 7:53:49 PM

      Let's see ... My life against some fictitious god coming to Earth. I'll take my life, you can give up yours, buddy,. Go willingly if you want and blow your freakin' brain washed idiocy of a brain all over the place. Please, you will be doing us all a big favor.

    • Posted By: DOCGUNNY @ 02/16/2008 12:47:07 AM

      Thank you katie... and god bless

  • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 5:01:45 PM

    what happens to water it is a form of matter, matter cannot be created or destroyed, water gets drunk it gets pee'd out it evaporates or is processed and it comes back again. we haven't even begun desalanating the oceans in this country yet so rest assured we have lots and lots and lots of water.

  • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 4:55:06 PM

    Just a few short years ago I was sitting in a college class listening to a proffesor spew crap about needing to get rid of the damns because the resevoirs were harmful to the desert landscape. Maybe if you guys didn't cry the end of the world everytime the temperature changed or a coyote was forced to move someone who didn't follow their bowl of fruit loops with a bowl of a green leafy substance would listen to you.

  • Posted By: nurseratchetaz @ 02/16/2008 6:06:55 PM

    PERHAPS THE PRESS SHOULD ASK ARIZONA SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN WHY HE HASN'T DONE MORE TO PRESERVE LAKE MEAD? HE IS SO PROUD OF HAVING ZERO EARMARKS BUT MEAN WHILE WHAT ARE ARIZONANS SUPPOSED TO DO? BOO'S FOR JOHN MCCAIN!

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 4:51:32 PM

      lake Mead is in Nevada.

  • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 4:49:21 PM

    if we stop growing corn for ethanol production we could save enough water for every liberal to toss two water balloons at every republican. of course the republicans may respond with gunfire so this is not advised.

  • Posted By: JeffLAS @ 02/17/2008 5:40:35 AM

    I find this topic very interesting. First of all you need to look at electrical generation at the Hoover and Powell sites. At Hoover dam, ONE SINGLE turbine uses 22,000 gallon PER SECOND. This needs to change. Multiply that by 2 turbines in the day time and all 14 at night. Gosh, that's a huge number! Why are we not using solar or nuclear. Then we could shut the generation down at the dams and save the water for recreational and drinking water uses. This seems logical to me.

    • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 4:46:55 PM

      The water doesn't disappear it runs through the turbines and continues down stream. Or it evaporates and becomes rain later on.

  • Posted By: onepoker @ 07/03/2008 4:44:48 PM

    these guys sure are fond of 50/50 chances. Theres a 50% plus chance the guy is an opportunist environmentalist. Ill tell ya what if the ice completely vanishes from the north pole this summer(another 50/50) probability I say we give the scientist a grant and if the ice is still there at the end of the summer I say we make him get a job at a gas station fueling suvs and pay us back for whatever money we wasted on his research.

  • Posted By: Brazilian @ 02/21/2008 4:56:38 PM

    this a real problem. But the US govern don't pay attention. this's the richiest country, but have the less inteligent president. I hope that Obama will look to this problem, like a real one, and the WORLD will say THANKS. I HOPE... Sorry about the gramatical errors, i am from Brazil.

  • Posted By: yruhere4now @ 02/15/2008 11:39:56 PM

    one thing people never seem to bring up as a contributor to our shrinking natural resourses is: population growth. That is the problem- over populoation. Why do people have to have 5 children ? How selfish is it to over populate the world so our family is big ? Very selfish ! Look at the osmand family- From 2 faqmily members to over 100 in less than 60 yrs. Pretty damn selfish ! Get real religious fanatics, and get real hispanic culture ! Overpopulation is the # 1 cause of our world problems. Consrevation may be a nice thought, but it comes from a blind man's eyes. LOOK AROUND PEOPLE ! AND RESPECT YOUR WORLD, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO RUIN YOUR GREAT, GREAT GRANDCHILDREN'S FUTURE.

    • Posted By: dewcooper @ 02/21/2008 11:36:03 AM

      Why don't you start the 'exodus of life' now! Come on, be a leader!!

    • Posted By: sugey02 @ 02/15/2008 11:54:41 PM

      I agree when you say that overpopulation is a factor contributing to the exploitation of natural resources. However, where do you get your facts regarding the Hispanic culture? This is a stereotype, and an ignorant one at that. Inform yourself, do research, and then formulate an idea before you make false judgments!

      Here are just a few numbers to review and you can verify the source::

      From DSW-Datareport 2006 ("Deutsche Stiftung Weltbevölkerung"):

      China: 1.32 billion (about 20% of world population)
      India: 1.12 billion (about 17%)
      United States: 300 million (about 4.6%)
      Indonesia: 225 million (about 3.5%)
      Brazil: 186 million (about 2.8%)
      Pakistan: 165 million (about 2.5%)
      Bangladesh: 147 million (about 2.3%)
      Russia: 143 million (about 2.2%)
      Nigeria: 135 million (about 2.1%)
      Japan: 128 million (about 2.0%)
      Mexico: 108 million (about 1.7%)
      Vietnam: 87 million (about 1.3%)
      Philippines: 86 million (about 1.3%)
      Germany: 82 million (about 1.3%)
      Egypt: 75 million (about 1.2%)

    • Posted By: bubafett @ 02/15/2008 11:52:31 PM

      Sigh........family trees grow.... regardless of the number of family members. And selfish, selfish is not giving of yourself as the Osmonds do....or anyone that has more than one child. It's legacy, unity, commitment, growth, love, joy, memories, support. It is also a personal decision just as it is to have one or none. As for the hispanics - I agree if they are here on my dime. If they have joined and accepted our society, become a legal, contributing citizen - then have at it. Just use common sense....if not "rythmn..." or something else that keeps you off welfare!

  • Posted By: sundayweiss @ 02/15/2008 11:35:32 PM

    birth control, and rock gardens for yards will go along way in this world. Like China we should be having only one child each to maintain resources for those already born. to be specific on birtch control I do not mean abortion, I mean preventing the pregnancy in the first place. technology is so far in the area of brith control that abortions should be obsolete in favor of appropriate birth control from the moment a female is able to reproduce. we have the technology to make abortion absolete unless the mothers life is in danger. people are jut to lazy to take care of their own reproduction

    • Posted By: dewcooper @ 02/21/2008 11:34:10 AM

      If you are so conscerned about over-population, go buy a bullet...

    • Posted By: bubafett @ 02/15/2008 11:41:50 PM

      People are too lazy to control their actions and be responsible. These two things would make birth control and abortion illegal.

      It's funny reading this whole spouting (no pun intended) about Lake Mead - fact is, I just stumbled on it. But is sooo amazing to see how we are so environmental and the climates have changed and fluxuated since the beginning of time ... not to mention we are in one of the coolest periods of time since Katrina Days. Sure a tornado or two extra - but the hurricanes have been non-existent when the water is supposed to be so warm right now.....

  • Posted By: braray @ 02/15/2008 11:26:58 PM

    Another "the sky is falling scientist". That would be 13 years from now and I hope I will still be alive. I would like to make a bet with this idiot. If he is wrong nobody will say anything.

    • Posted By: DrZook @ 02/18/2008 8:35:55 AM

      And if those crazy "the sky is falling scientists" are right that the human race is going to exterminate itself by destroying the environment, there won't be anyone left to pay off such a stupid bet or collect it. You will all be dead.

      • Posted By: dewcooper @ 02/21/2008 11:31:52 AM

        I seem to remeber the same thing being said in the 70s-80s when we were gearing up for the next ice age. Of course, if we let algore's ilk use up al the water, we will all be dead, too...

  • Posted By: rbrehms @ 02/15/2008 11:25:35 PM

    Here is another case of crying about climate change. There are a wealth of scientists thagt say that global warming is hack science. It presupposes that man is the problem, and in some cases that may be. But why are these ecologists onloy interested in destrlying our industrial capability, and yet emerging economies like China and India are putting out ten time the amount of the United States, We are told we need to curtail our use of natural resources, that Man, the United States are the worst things to happen to this planet. HOGWASH! We need to respect the envirnoment, but perhaps the enviromental wackos and Al Gore ought to to where there is little or no effort at conservation instead of ragging on us when we are trying. I had two feet of snow in Weaverville, California and it lasted for the entire month of January. That is the kind of weather they used to have, asnd we have another bevy of storms coming in this next week. Somebody out to get a shovel full of snow and put it down Al Gore's back.. Perhaps he could get another nobel peace prize for doing a documentary about global cooling! He coujld call it another incovienent truty. We have only been able to measure the OZONE for a little over twenty years. How do we know that this is not a typical cyclical climate change. Glaciers record repeated cooling and warming events over the last several thousand years. When will we stop crying wolf!

    • Posted By: DrZook @ 02/18/2008 8:30:51 AM

      Wow!!! What brilliant logic!!! "How do we know that this is not a typical cyclical climate change?" EXPLAIN TO ME YOU PATHETIC , USELESS FREAK, HOW THE HELL THAT YOU KNOW IT IS A "TYPICAL CYCLICAL CLIMATE CHANGE"???? Are you a meteorologists or any kind of scientist? Do you have any information to support such a conclusion? No you don't. All you have is your moronic, neanderthal confidence that nothing will ever disturb your happy little world. I better your average 14th cebtury peasant thought that way too, just before he caught the Black Death and suffocated on the blood in his hemmoraging lungs. I swear man, you are as dumb as a sack of hammers!

      • Posted By: dewcooper @ 02/21/2008 11:30:09 AM

        If you compare the ACTUAL readings vs. the Global Alarmists hack models (of which 19 of 21 have been proven wrong) you would KNOW that this is a typical cycle. Also, if you even bothred to look at algores CO vs Temp graph, you would see that CO follows temperature, and NOT the other way around.

  • Posted By: maximus34 @ 02/15/2008 11:20:23 PM

    have to laugh when people in ther gov't and scientists tell us this and try to offer solutions. Conservation won't work, "green technology" is a lie as well. The problem is simple -There are too many people on this earth. The U.S. needs a one child policy like China. If the environment is to be saved then we need to curtail our population by seriously restricting reproduction. That is the ONLY way we can work to reduce or reverse damage! No one wants to talkj about this but it is the only hope we have!! Humans are stupid and self-destructive and therefore deserve the consequences of their actions. The higher the population, the more water they need. Duh! Do the math!!

    • Posted By: dewcooper @ 02/21/2008 11:15:10 AM

      Care to start the reduction?

  • Posted By: michael a. @ 02/15/2008 2:59:56 AM

    If Islamic Terrorists successfully destroyed Hoover Dam and drained Lake Mead, it would be an outrage second only to 9/11. However, if Lake Mead dries up simply because corrupt local politicians allowed the region to be overbuilt and because the President and Congress refused to confront Global Warming with fossil fuel taxes, it is not considered an outrage - just a "public policy problem". How disgusting is that?

    I guess this is no surprise. The same analogy can be applied to the victims of Hurricane Katrina. If terrorists had taken out New Orleans with a nuke, it would have meant World War Three. However, if corrupt local politicians spent federal dollars on everything BUT levee protection while the Feds continued to ignore the threat of Global Warming to our coastal cities - it's just an unfortunate tragedy.

    What a sad time to live in America, where our elected officials aren't the least bit interested in protecting us from the REAL threats to our homeland. (The twin towers will be rebuilt, but if the Greenland Ice Sheet collapses, NYC will be gone FOREVER). I guess that's because money spent slowing global warming and preparing for its fury, doesn't flow through the pocktes of our political leaders and their contributers.

    • Posted By: dewcooper @ 02/21/2008 11:13:31 AM

      These lakes are being used up BECAUSE of our over-reaction to the Global Warming idiots. The water is being used to water corn crops to make ethanol because fools like you think it will 'help save the world'! Carbon increase follow temperature increase, not the other way around. Ice is always melting and refreezing, temperatures always fluctuate and the environment acts in cycles.

    • Posted By: laruejd @ 02/16/2008 12:28:04 AM

      I may be wrong but I thought Agriculture was still the #1 use of water from lake mead. I thought I had read that the allocations are grandfathered so that some who get more water than they need can resell it to others at a profit. Corp. farms and Co-ops get more than family farms according to what Iread. Has this changed??? Am I behind the times? I have lived outside the US for 18 years but try to stay current with magazines and internet.

    • Posted By: pack4to84 @ 02/15/2008 11:20:12 PM

      This is why I can't understand why the government allows manufactures to bottle water. It is destroying the Ecosystem. Water can't evaporate if its in bottles or canisters. We have warehouse full of bottled up water. While lakes in Georgia and other States that are drying up.

      • Posted By: mzsaynes @ 02/16/2008 12:09:14 AM

        It's so amazing how so many dumb people are blaming the water problems on the "illegals". For Pete's sake use common sense. I live in Chicago but last year I went to Las Vegas and the first thing that came to my mind was WATER. I couldn't believe how much water is wasted. It seemed like every lawn had an automatic water sprinkler system....I believe 3 times a day it goes off. I actually asked a local resident and she did confirm me the information. Why in the world would want to keep up with watering lawns in Vegas, when it's not even naturally occurring! It's just for aesthetic purposes, who cares! Oh well! Somethings can't be answered!

      • Posted By: SM4321 @ 02/16/2008 12:04:03 AM

        I can't tell if you are being a troll, or just haven't thought this one through.

        Let's figure that for every American, there are the equivalent of eighty 16 oz. bottles of water sitting unopened somewhere in the distribution chain. I think that number is quite excessive, but a good number for the point I'm about to make.

        Eighty 16 oz bottles is 1,280 ounces of water, or just 10 gallons. So using these numbers, for every American, there are 10 gallons of water trapped in bottles in warehouses, store shelves, etc.

        By comparison, a USGS webpage estimates that the average American uses 80 to 100 gallons of water... per day! [1] Using the more conservative 80 gpd, that's 29,200 gallons per year.

        Over the course of a year, the water people use for mundane tasks like washing dishes and flushing the toilet will completely dwarf this tiny amount of water that is temporarily "trapped" in bottled drinking water. And this doesn't even cover the water used for agriculture irrigation or for industrial purposes.

        There are certainly other problems with bottled water, but you can't blame bottled water for lowered lake levels.

        [1] http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/qahome.html

      • Posted By: SM4321 @ 02/16/2008 12:02:40 AM

        I can't tell if you are being a troll, or just haven't thought this one through.

        Let's figure that for every American, there are the equivalent of eighty 16 oz. bottles of water sitting unopened somewhere in the distribution chain. I think that number is quite excessive, but a good number for the point I'm about to make.

        Eighty 16 oz bottles is 1,280 ounces of water, or just 10 gallons. So using these numbers, for every American, there are 10 gallons of water trapped in bottles in warehouses, store shelves, etc.

        By comparison, a USGS webpage estimates that the average American uses 80 to 100 gallons of water... per day! [1] Using the more conservative 80 gpd, that's 29,200 gallons per year.

        Over the course of a year, the water people use for mundane tasks like washing dishes and flushing the toilet will completely dwarf this tiny amount of water that is temporarily "trapped" in bottled drinking water. And this doesn't even cover the water used for agriculture irrigation or for industrial purposes.

        There are certainly other problems with bottled water, but you can't blame bottled water for lowered lake levels.

        [1] http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/qahome.html

      • Posted By: Leftylou567 @ 02/15/2008 11:58:01 PM

        It is very simple. Mankind is doomed. The cockroaches and eels will survive. Get over it.

  • Posted By: christensenalan@sbcglobal.net @ 02/16/2008 12:26:50 AM

    There is much to be said about all of the problems that we face. First, If you have ever been to Mexico, it has some very beautiful people in fact I am merried to one. And believe me i am the biggest supporter of stopping all of the illegal bull that our government allows just so our economy can grow and keep the greedy f**king people on WALL STREET happy. I was taught to have respect for this place we all call home and am trully saddened at what I have seen and what we believe to be important in our lives. The population has put tremendous pressure on our natural resources and there is nothing we will ever do about the human population growth. We need to stop rewarding welfare recipients for having children MY GOD! If you can't afford to have children without assistance from the federal gov't. than you should be limited. Give me a tax credit for not having children. The earth will heal itself and it may take an epidemic or a natural catastrophe like the 2004 Tsunami but certainly our actions will have consequences. We need to stop trying to save the whole Gosh darn world and stop sending grain to these nations just so they can survive and produce more children. They call it natural selection when people make decisions that jeopardize their own lives damn it and what gives us the right to meddle in the affairs of the ALL MIGHTY!!! STOP WELFARE!

    • Posted By: JoeDynamo @ 02/16/2008 12:36:37 AM

      Our economy depends on dealing with the rest of the world, just think of the billions of dollars that the Iraq War has generated in profits for Haliburton and Blackwater, no man is an island, and no country is either.

      • Posted By: itsme_0 @ 02/21/2008 2:53:49 AM

        Although the Iraq war has undoubtedly enriched the coffers of those corporations that know how to milk the Fed for contracts, it has cost us money, not made us money. The money that Uncle Sam pays to Halliburton comes from.... you! Oh! that's right, our taxes are not going up becs. Uncle Sam is borrowing like crazy to pay for that war... hmmm... might that be the reason why the US $ is so low??? and why everything is going up in price? could that be the reason why as the $ drops, the price of gas as a % of a family's budget rises in the US much faster than it does in the rest of the world?

        Yeah, the war is great business.... for the merchants of death that milk YOU to line their pockets through other people's suffering!!

      • Posted By: JohnHerrera305 @ 02/18/2008 2:01:19 PM

        Here's a thought Mr Joe Dynamo: If we don't look out for the interests of the "rest" of the world, the USA would face an attack on our borders from Land, Sea and Air. Why, because when things become totally unbearable to bare and unliveable, humans flock to SAFETY and SAFETY would equal Europe and USA. So, yes, it beholves us to make sure that these countries have at least the bear minimal to survive. Stop looking at the world through your naive eyes and look at the bigger picture. And if people didn't reproduce, you wouldn't be here to write you small minded comments.

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