Well, if we stopped letting all these hordes of people from Mexico come illegally over the border, that would be a good start to fixing the water problem!!! Common sense.......
Well, if we stopped letting all these hordes of people from Mexico come illegally over the border, that would be a good start to fixing the water problem!!! Common sense.......
waaaaa, waaaaa, crying about the mexicans yet nonstop watering the weeds around your trailer.
Thats is just what they deserve. Go on California, you wanted more illegals, well give them water! Add 20 million more to your population...go ahead. Idiots! Bunch of Liberal dumb-dumbs!
Comment: WHO EVER WROTE THE COMMENT ABOUT ILLIGALS IS A DOUMBASS, BECAUSE JUST INCASE YOU DINDT KNOW ALL YOU FAMILY AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE ILLIGALLY HERE TOO. THIS LAND BELONGED TO THE INDIANS. SO BEFORE YOU GO AND MAKE STUPID COMENTS YOU SHOULD GET A TOUCH UP ON YOUR HISTORY AND LEARN SOMETHING YOU RACIST ***. AND PS. THE WATER BELONGS TO EVERYONE ***!!!!!
Capital letters and everything. I do not like how some of my cowboy cousins and early forefathers treated the Indians, but many of them tried to get along and they were just as bad. History is a two way street. Racist...no. Fact is, racism would die if everyone would just Get Over It! and move on. I belong to multi-cultural groups, work-forces and have friend of every race - even mixed races.
Your comment VIKKING08 says nothing - but that you have a problem with people. Fact is, you know illegals are a problem, you are just too tolerant to admit it.
Both conservatives and liberals are your fellow countrymen. It's not very patriotic to wish drought on a state.
Comment: WHO EVER WROTE THE COMMENT ABOUT ILLIGALS IS A DOUMBASS, BECAUSE JUST INCASE YOU DINDT KNOW ALL YOU FAMILY AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE ILLIGALLY HERE TOO. THIS LAND BELONGED TO THE INDIANS. SO BEFORE YOU GO AND MAKE STUPID COMENTS YOU SHOULD GET A TOUCH UP ON YOUR HISTORY AND LEARN SOMETHING YOU RACIST ***. AND PS. THE WATER BELONGS TO EVERYONE ***!!!!!
Wow, a man-made lake in the middle of the desert could dry up? Can somebody explain to me why this is surprising? Population growth in the southwestern U.S. has been out of control for years and now the sh** is starting to hit the fan. It won't be long before people realize that many lakes in the south and southwest are drying up for good. It's just a matter of time before people start to realize that they don't have a choice and start moving back to the northern states that they left years ago.
no more lawn in Phoenix. Xeriscape would cut water use immensely. Recharge the aquifers with reclaimed water after tertiary treatment. More saved water.
Nuts have been around mass murdering folks for hundreds of years. it is nothing new. the problem is that the media celebrates it to such an extent that it fosters the growth of more Nuts. Anyone with a gripe that wants their name in the papers, on T.V., in magazines...etc, knows that they will have all the fame and publicity one can have just by freaking out and killing a bunch opf people. The fame they receive is shameful to say the least. The media should think more about simply reporting a trajedy than ramming it down our throats till we want to vomit.
Maybe if the main stream media would work harder on reporting more of the facts on other issues, Nuts wouldn't be so inclined to get their names in newpapers and on televisions across the Nation and, in some cases, around the world.
With all respect and condolences I can offer to those hurting families and survivors, I say the media should stop the celebration.
Hey Rphil04 you know its not all about you and family it is about other families too you know.. its not fair for your part to keep that other water espically when other families may be in need.. what if that was you?... wouldnt you want help?... i think that your anwser would be yes... so dont go and run your mouth when you dont even really have a point and dont be conceded anyway its not "your" water anway get over it
Here are some links for you:
Historical Lake Mead water levels (It's been lower, and not just when they were filling it up. If someone has knowledge of why it was so low in the 50's, I'd like to hear it. Perhaps they were still working on the dam, then. ):
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/lakemead_line.pdf
Other data is here:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/riverops.html
Western snowpack as a percentage of normal:
ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/water/wcs/gis/maps/WestwideSWEPercent.pdf
I'm not sure if the "normal" is the season to date normal or normal for the entire season. In any event, it seems that this area has seen more snow this year than in recent years. That should help water levels once it all starts melting. If you believe those scientists who talk about wet/dry patterns, then we are possibly due for a few more wet years. Let's hope so, but only time will tell.
This is nonsesnical speculation. The probablility calculation for Lake Mead drying in a particular, future year was based upon an assumed sustained percentage reduction in runoff, of 20%, obtained from the IPCC report on global warming, . This 20% figure was not based on any imperical methodology, but instead was just arbitrarily set as being the midpoint of the various IPCC's computer projections of between 10% and 30% runoff reductions for the Lake Mead watershed. Even setting aside the speculative nature of the IPCC computer projections themselves, absent knowledge of the probability distrtibution of the runoff reduction between those 10% and 30% extremes, no legitimate probabilty of lake Mead drying up can be calculated. In short, the conclusions of this study should have been presented as: If a 20% reduction in runoff is sustained over the coming decades, there is a 50% likelihood of Lake Mead being incapable of supporting water demands by the year X. This, of course, begs the question of what likelihood there is of a sustained 20% reduction in runoff, for which there is no answer.
The next time that Newseek or any other media publication decides to print this kind of alarmist story, I would suggest that they first forward the written study to a panel of engineers, and get their thoughts about whether this kind of study presents meaningful information that could be relied upon as a design constraint. I suspect, for example, that in designing a reservoir, the Army Coprs of Engineers would look to a long-term historical average of runoff as a better estimate of future runoff, rather than just pick the "midpoint" of computer climate simulations, which have no track record, one way or another, of making accurate climate predictions over decadal time scales.
Observation: Your review of the impending a lot easer to understand, and I bet you don't even have a political angle to slant your point of view. Great !! Better than 90% of the last dimwits. Thanks!
May I ask from whence you have the knowledge and the expertise to dismiss the calculated projections? Your assessment that they're not based on EMPIRICAL methodology is inaccurate: where do you think the scientists get the numbers to plug into the calculations? Mars?
The earth is like every thing else , It is alive and it is changing . Get use to it , just like the earth has gotten use to all us , the construction , jets , skyscrapers , population , cars , and city dumps . As the old saying go's , time stands still for no one .
Here are some links for you:
Historical Lake Mead water levels (It's been lower, and not just when they were filling it up. If someone has knowledge of why it was so low in the 50's, I'd like to hear it. Perhaps they were still working on the dam, then. ):
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/lakemead_line.pdf
Other data is here:
http://www.usbr.gov/lc/riverops.html
Western snowpack as a percentage of normal:
ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/data/water/wcs/gis/maps/WestwideSWEPercent.pdf
I'm not sure if the "normal" is the season to date normal or normal for the entire season. In any event, it seems that this area has seen more snow this year than in recent years. That should help water levels once it all starts melting. If you believe those scientists who talk about wet/dry patterns, then we are possibly due for a few more wet years. Let's hope so, but only time will tell.
Man is not manmade. This means that man is just another species in the whole natural world with its own characteristics. What I think human beings have to be aware of is that the planet Earth is also a living cell. It has got it's own system to survive and get rid of its trash, it produces its own anti-body. We are not the first civilization and probably not the last.
Look out Texas, when the water dries up in Vegas, guess where they are coming!!!!!!!!
hog wash, this is as contrived as global warming. The liberal press posts these things that the meanie greenies contrive with half truths from 1 or 2 so called scientists when hundreds have shown them to be so wrong time after time
Amen Michael! We don't need terrorists , the Bush Administration is destroying America qall by itself.
Now now...let's not use a story like this to baselessly blast the Bush Administration. Do I beleive that the Bush Administration has been a positive leadership body for the past 7+ years? Heck no, and I could fill this page with reasons why, but that is another discussion not particularly relevant to this story.
Bottom line is that the fresh water situation is a problem that has been brewing much longer than the Bush Administration. Their corrupt politics have certainly not helped the situation, but they surely didn't create it. The Bush Administration will be out of power this time next year, and the Bush era will be a stain oon American history, but only a small one. 8 years is just a few seconds on the scale of human and American history.
If you want the true culprit, look to human greed - not just Bush and/or Republican greed - but ALL human greed. The greater good is sacrificed for increased profit on a daily basis, and has been for years. Until the human race can make a collective effort to work toward the greater good whether it means money in the pocket or not, ir will inevitably destroy its ability to live on the planet Earth. It is an unfortunate mathematical certainty.
lake mead that can be helpt whit relly god investoren and ideas to help the people over thear,i am sure it gona be a big project and investment but it is worth to help the people out befor that hepen,and i now is not the first time to do somting like that to do.we ned to do somting now ,i am would relly would love to help this people .
The soaring population has and will affect all future resources i.e. water, oil, natural gas etc. I am not a doomsday advocate but we certainly are on track for devastating changes in the earths systems. The government convinces you that we need this or that to keep the economy growing and with that growth and the greed of WALL STREET comes consequences that our children will have to endure. Isn't it funny how you can remember how sweet and large watermelon and corn tasted back in the 60's and 70's. That my friend were the natural minerals in the earth. Now we must put fertilizers etc. to make crops grow abundently and believe me when I say that the same bowl of spinach 30 years ago had as much vitamins as 3 or 4 bowls today due to the drain of natural minerals from the earth. I'm originally from Minnesota and relocated to Ca. in the mid 80's and went back home for a visit a few years ago. I used to ride the bus 17 miles to school and we would pick up the students along the winding roads near the main highway which was mostly just summer cabins and such for the people of the Twin Cities and local states. Well what I found was all the winding roads in what was the country have now become permanent residents in house after house all the way to town. Needless to say that the old stomping grounds were not the same. I do believe in population control in such that if you cannot afford to have children without the assistance of the federal government, you should be limited in some way. Give me a tax credit for not having more children!!! The lakes do dry up if you pump enough water out of the ground and in time they become more poluted. I am not what some consider a tree hugger but I did learn from my now deceased parents to have respect for this place we ALL call home. STOP THE WELFARE!!! Lets raise responsible children.
In reference to the previous entry...... Is there something wrong with your keyboard? I'm sure someone who could read through an article like this should be able to spell and use grammar correctly.
Capital letters and everything. I do not like how some of my cowboy cousins and early forefathers treated the Indians, but many of them tried to get along and they were just as bad. History is a two way street. Racist...no. Fact is, racism would die if everyone would just Get Over It! and move on. I belong to multi-cultural groups, work-forces and have friend of every race - even mixed races.
Your comment VIKKING08 says nothing - but that you have a problem with people. Fact is, you know illegals are a problem, you are just too tolerant to admit it.
just as a reply to christmasjimbo below, there is no scientific "data" at all indicating climate catastrophe. There is "data" indicating that the world is undergoing a warmning trend. There is no "data" telling whether that trend is natural or human-caused, or respective percentage conributions of the two. There is no "data" indicating the consequences of that warming. All that exists are speculative opinions by scientists regarding these issues. If you don't believe this, read the latest IPCC report, where the summary for policymakers expressly indicates that all assessments on the respective probabilities of the occurrence of a given event are based on the "judgment" of the "experts". This expert "judgment" is of no utility unless it is first established how accurate the judgments have historically been. In a trial, for example, noexpert would ever be allowed to testify as to an expert opinion, without first establishing, not only that the witness is in fact an expert, but that the expert has offered opinions that have more often than not been accurate with respect to the particular opinion being offered. Thus, unless it is first established that a handwriting expert, in prior tests, has been able to correctly identify who wrote a particular sample, the opinion does not come in. The problem with these climate projections is that, because climate change is something that only occurs slowly over the course of decades if not centuries there is no way to establish that the opinions or judgments of expoerts have any validity whatsoever.
As for the computer models that supposedly show the effects of climate change or of increasing carbon dioxise, they are even worse. At best, a computer model can only show that a particular result or outcome can plausibly be explained by a given set of input conditions, under a given set of assuptions regarding the system being modeled. The computer cannot independently tell you whether those assumptions are correct or whether the result is in fact the outcopme of the assumed input conditions, vis a vis other input conditions. Instead, you would have to check the validity of the internals of the model (not just the output such as temperature, etc,) using measured data, which is of course impossible.
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