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The Real Laws of Attraction

A new study reveals a surprising gap between what men and women say they want in a partner and what they actually choose.

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  • Posted By: cmarsh @ 06/13/2009 5:13:08 AM

    The short of it is she might not put up with his table manners and paunch for the money he earns, because she earns money too. Anecdotally

    1. I was told years later (Nov. 2007, well after a college lady friend married) that the sort of eating in a hurry in ye olde college cafeteria is about the quickest way to lose a girl like herself. I still thank the LORD I made it home safely at the end of that weekend, because that truth really hurt, although intended to improve my dating situation in 2007.
    2. A petite woman who has never seen, let alone read The Joy of Sex (which describes a variety of accommodations) is understandably going to have apprehensions about the missionary position if he is very much heavier than she is, no matter how much she thinks she loves him (1997).
    3. If James Dobson's assessment of women's focus on the inside vs. the outside was correct, I have a sneaking feeling I would have dated more frequently in that Christian singles group in Washington DC between 2002 and 2006, possibly even been married by now. The country song "Guys Do It All The Time" seems more applicable instead,







  • Posted By: cmarsh @ 06/13/2009 5:02:17 AM

    She might be bringing home plenty of bacon, in fact more than he is, and might not want to come home to a pig for a husband. Depends on the woman, but she is liberated from old ways if she doesn't care for them.

  • Posted By: cmarsh @ 06/12/2009 6:15:14 PM

    Perhaps the test should be repeated at various age groups. This seems to be aimed at undergraduates. The prefrontal cortex lobe is not fully developed until age 25, yet many women marry a year or two out of college. I knew a 23-year-old bride and separately, a 22-year-old groom amongest my Christian college grad friends. I do not suppose young people, at least those who feel compelled to marry to have sex (Christians), are denying themselves the "benefits" of marriage any longer than they have to. (I should have known that was the reason... I asked a non-religious friend why so many of them were marrying so fast, and she chortled and explained our belief system to me....)

    We ask young people to do a lot of things before the prefrontal cortex lobe fully matures, with potentially far reaching consequences...

    1. military service
    2. choosing a college major and by extension, career field
    3. often, choosing a mate within one's twenties
    4. having a child as young as one's twenties. and if the child seems to be prenatal abnormalities, consider abortion
    5. drive, as young as 16
    6. get student loans and usually a credit card, manage money

    But again, how would late thirtysomethings, like me, or fortysomethings approach mate selection? I don't necessarily think the results are generalizable.

    With the divorce rate being what it is, perhaps, just perhaps, the only bright side to being involuntarily single for a decade or two, or longer, is being a superior spouse by virtue of experience when finally being given the opportunity.

    Anecdotally, I have just figured out in my own mind that I have to lose a lot of weight to get noticed by a woman.
    1. I will be noticed from a distance and approached if I look, ummm, attractive. It implies a body mass index more like 30 than 40, and preferably more like 25.
    2. Qualities like character, intelligence, personality, and humor can only be observed from social interaction not halfway across the room.
    3. I am sure not every American female is an idiot but not every such American female is available or in my area.
    4. I am fairly certain that educating an American idiot is not an option. Who is the more foolish, a fool, or a fool who tries to educate a fool? Perhaps the American white middle class has been so comfortable, so coddled and spoiled, and so unaccustomed to genuine problems, they invent their own crises, such as gaining 10 pounds.

    I have lost nearly 50 pounds off my worst case number. That only leaves 97 more pounds to go. Persistence to my diet is the primary key. Ratcheting up the exercise over time, and keeping it up over the next year or two, is the rest of it. I didn't get it all at once nor will I lose it all at once.

    But let's try expanding on the research.


    Christopher Marsh
    Alexandria VA

    Master of Arts
    Sociology
    Marshall University
    Huntington WV



  • Posted By: loveadvisor @ 03/01/2008 6:54:35 AM

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  • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/19/2008 10:15:54 AM

    I didn't say your husband was an animal. And if you are the sum total of all of two parts, then I would say that the men attracted to -you- are animals. And in that instance, for -you- and those 'men', the outlook on the world is definitely the same.

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    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 6:42:52 PM

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  • Posted By: ThePrairiePrankster @ 02/14/2008 4:53:48 PM

    While it is all well and good to ONLY sample college students preferences, how does this extrapolate to 40-somethings who are divorced?

    Since the age bias explicitly stated by the authors of the study is clearly stated, I consider nothing more than bunk.

    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 5:39:35 PM

      It only extrapolates if you allow it to enhance and clarify your own definitions of the type of value and substance you seek in any and all relationships. Forcing you to see clearly you're non-interests should only serve to stimulate your sensitivity towards what you are most open to from the opposite end.

  • Posted By: dr.harmony @ 02/14/2008 1:32:20 PM

    so, what we learn from this is??????? We probably have underlying value hierarchies that are other than the popular gender stereotypes that we think are true???

    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 5:26:40 PM

      Are you really a Dr.? And is harmony your christian last name or are you really a doctorate of that particular abstract? Cool. My only real question is, what are YOUR underlying values? And to be fair, i'll go ahead and answer one of your questions. WHAT WE LEARN FROM THIS, is that if you have children, to teach them better. Especially your boys, cause they're really screwing up the place...

  • Posted By: Maria345 @ 02/14/2008 5:19:24 PM

    Keep reinforcing shallow stereotypes and myths with so-called studies and science, and we are pretty much stuck with people excusing their own shallowness. Maybe people should listen to their hearts, and go with what develops over time, something with substance, rather than always chasing and dumping, chasing and dumping, everything that looks good on the outside.

    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 5:19:15 PM

      Actually, those studies, as well as the science behind them, are NOT the cause of the problem you suggest. For example, You ever see those COPS episodes where criminals get caught doing something redhanded and still refuse to acknowledge the truth given by power of evidence? That refusal is called delusionment. People not only do a good job deluding themselves and other people, but other people do a good job of deluding other people as well.

  • Posted By: newsjunkie8 @ 02/14/2008 5:32:51 PM

    Attractive women are marrying attractive husbands, and attractive people make more money because attractive people get more of everything in life.

    This comment bugs me.....I guess it's true, but I hate that it's true. Oh well, whoever said life is fair?

    • Posted By: Fort Begay @ 02/16/2008 2:32:02 PM

      "Life is fair" is just another lie like "inner beauty reigns."

      • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 5:08:23 PM

        Actually, 'inner' beauty does reign. Supreme. Dungeon. Kings. Do you know what brings rats, mice, snakes/ up out the hole?/ Chonkyfire/ Laced, with rock n' roll/ Indubitably.

    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 5:01:08 PM

      Q. So, if you felt yourself attractive.. and you definitely felt that your partner was attractive.. and you received more of whatever people hold valuable in this life because of it.. you would 'hate' that, correct?

  • Posted By: ewa-rae @ 02/14/2008 8:08:32 PM

    Great post Maria345.

    I often hear young women discussing the results of last night's date with agony and despair. "He's a sweet guy, but he doesn't make as much money as my ex." Hello, wake up. No one can have a deep and fulfilling relationship with this type of thinking. The same with "Is she hot enough? Are her boobs big enough?" Your relationship will be going to hell in a handbasket if these are the only thoughts in your head. So do yourself and the rest of society a favor: EVOLVE from your caveman ways and add some substance in your soul.

    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 4:54:45 PM

      You're under the impression that the dominant concern with the majority of 'youth' is the future?? Umm.. I don't think.. that the 'youth'.. are the ones in need of 'evolution', as you would have. Values.. are generally either taught.. or learned. Few are the youth whom God blesses with 'wisdom'.

  • Posted By: ccvh25 @ 02/14/2008 11:32:11 PM

    The problem with a lot of social science studies is that the population conists of college students who typically range in age of 18-25. This population does not represent society as a whole and what young adults find most important in a partner may be quite different from a middle aged or older adult. I find these types of studies disturbing in that they try to generalize people into neat categories. How is it relevant?

    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 4:44:55 PM

      It's relevant because that particular age bracket is generally seen as the next in line to be the new 'shakers and movers' of American society. Your 'George W. Bush' of tomorrow, as it were.

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    • Posted By: shah mat @ 02/17/2008 4:33:08 PM

      It is shallow. And you're attracting 'boys'. If that makes a difference to you.

  • Posted By: Fort Begay @ 02/16/2008 2:55:35 PM

    I'd like to know what were the qualifiers were for the participants. I'm sure subjectiveness entered into the dynamics of the selection process. Earlier someone complained about age factors, but what about race? I saw the Vaginia Monologues two nights ago, and when the part where the audience chants a derogatory term fo the female anatomy, I looked around the mainly white, college-aged audience of 70 percent females looked most involved and seemed to relish the experience. As a Navajo 40-year old woman, I just didn't see the fascination with the word, but then my culture and language don't use anatomy references to insult and denigrate women or males. Apparently the playwright of the Vagina Monologues felt this was an important issue that commanded address. Yet I would like to add comments for the researchers: college-aged young people are the ideal candidates for the study since they have access to the precious commodity of time and they are most experimental. I can just imagine how impossible it would have been to collect people my age into one study. Complain about the slantedness of the study, but it still represents an idea that most of us know to be very consistent. It's not nice to think that we're judged by our appearance, but it's the nature of the animal kingdom. Read Helen Fisher.

  • Posted By: burbank @ 02/15/2008 3:49:11 AM

    So, attractive people seek out other attractive people to meet, find some sort of common ground on which to build a relationship and ultimately marry? I wonder; Did these researchers conduct their studies at closing time?

  • Posted By: Pasquale~Garonfolo @ 02/15/2008 3:30:24 AM

    We all seek for genetic and material improvements in our life; our search is colored, and even strongly determined, by the limits, tendencies and crazes of our own culture.

    When people meet someone they feel well together with, and can speak a lot together, they will want to meet again and enhance their relation even more.

    Sometimes people who get together, and get married to each other, really physically or by way of personality look like each other, so much that you could say that they were with each other even if your did not know them and just saw them walk downstreet at some distance from each other.

    Colleagues that feel comfortable with each other may decide and enhance their relation directing it into their own private sphere.

    Generally naturally the instinctive search for life's improvement colors the behavior in one's own search of a partner. In a culture where one's spouse is not directly chosen by oneself, it may be the parents, clan or tribe that decide who someone should be married to - all this for the same reason of improvement and of genetic and cultural preservation.

    All this may apply to situations where direct or indirect choice is ever possible. Else it is so that on an isolated island, with only one male and only one female, life will try and manifest itself thru her own blunt primal drives of reproduction.

  • Posted By: Maria345 @ 02/14/2008 5:15:08 PM

    Keep reinforcing myths and stereotypes with science and studies, and that's what we're stuck with. Dare to think for yourself and not be told how you should think by all this crappola.

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