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  • Posted By: letchin04 @ 02/18/2008 5:21:55 PM

    The Clintons have mastered the art of divisive politics, but Bush and
    Cheney made it into an art form." Have we forgotten the many
    investigations under the Clintons first 8 years? Let me help remind
    you of the Glorious Old Years of the Clintons:


    - The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
    - Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
    - Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
    - Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
    - Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
    - First president sued for sexual harassment.
    - First president accused of rape.
    - First first lady to come under criminal investigation
    - Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
    - First president to establish a legal defense fund.
    - First president to be held in contempt of court
    - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
    - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
    - First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court


    The question is, where was Hillary during this time? If she is
    saying she was a part of this Administration, then she takes credit
    for the wickedness of her husband. She was a mere Wife of a
    President???.what experience does that carry?

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 02/18/2008 7:38:04 PM

      There were only that many investigations because the Republican congress had a vendetta. $50 million for Whitewater? Ridiculous. That being said: Go Obama!

  • Posted By: PVperson @ 02/18/2008 6:06:14 PM

    How many times have we heard the press say "his slender record has been and will be scrubbed"? Really, when will they start, after he's elected?

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 02/18/2008 7:36:33 PM

      It's already been done. Face it. He doesn't have the baggage that Clinton does. That's just how things go. Clinton thought she was inevitable and found out otherwise. She needs to just deal with it.

  • Posted By: Rational Poster @ 02/18/2008 5:54:10 PM

    The media wants a story and Obama is an outstanding orator and a novelty of sorts - so he gets the attention. An example of the free media pass for Obama is the lack of questioning of his bold statemet in a recent debate that he did not EVER support "single-payer" insurance while before the AFL-CIO in 2003 he clearly said that "single-payer" insurance was his goal but it would have to come in steps. He said that the Dems would have to take the White House and control both houses to get it done. I saw the video tapes. Where is the media bringing out the contradiction and asking "which is it, Obama?"

    In a year when the GOP was trying to hand the Dems the White House on a platter, why couldn't the Dems come up with an electable candidate? I can't believe it! Neither Hillary nor Obama are electable - especially against a McCain who takes his position close to the middle giving the GOP Right the choice of staying home or voting for him and all the Independents and disatified Dems someone with chararcter to vote for.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 02/18/2008 7:34:09 PM

      The stupendous ignorance of most people is astounding.

  • Posted By: Kellyville @ 02/18/2008 3:25:47 PM

    I really don't understand where or how it can be felt that the media is pro Barack Obama. I watch MSNBC and CNN and CSpan hours a day and feel that it is Obama that is slighted. You have Chris Mathews telling Hillary Clinton what she need to do to win and everyone quickly come to her defense if the least little story appears negative. It seems to me that the media is afraid of the Clintons. I just can't understand why.

    • Posted By: madblackwoman @ 02/18/2008 7:28:29 PM

      thank you but one thing about it in the end the truth will come out.

  • Posted By: chandra perera @ 02/18/2008 5:50:03 PM

    The media is swooned by Mr Obama's charm. Mr. Obama wanted pretend that he???s Mr. Clean but he???s not. Even though he???s a baby-boomer (1944-1964) he was born in 1960, but tries hard to appear that he belongs to a younger generation. In three years he can get his AARP card. He says that he???s original, but his speeches are full of borrowed material from MLK, JFK and FDR, not to mention his plagiarizing of Gov. Patrick???s speech. He says he???s against the establishment, but his major support comes from Hollywood and from Washington media establishment; we all know how corrupt Hollywood is and we all know that Washington media gave us George Bush and Iraq war! Mr. Obama says that he???s not accepting money from special interests groups, but he accepted campaign contributions from lobbyists and special interests groups, for example Mr. Obama received $261,784 from pharmaceuticals/Health Products Industry. (Source: opensecrets.org) Until very recently, Mr. Obama also had habit of accepting private jet travel from America???s large corporations. His long friend and backer Tony Resko, the slum lord from Chicago who contributed about $140,000.00 to Obama presidential campaign, who is now in jail awaiting trial, Mr. Obama donated the money back to charities when the story broke out in Chicago newspapers. ???When Sen. Barack Obama decided to buy a stately $1.65 million home last year on Chicago's South Side, Antoin "Tony" Rezko and his wife wasted no time. The same day the Obamas closed on the house, the Rezkos closed on the purchase of the adjoining vacant lot, which once was the estate's lush side yard.??? Chicago Tribune said. I think lots of interesting information is going come out about Mr. Obama during his buddy Mr. Rezko???s trial. Mr. Obama is a constitutional lawyer, right, he should have known better. Mr. Obama bought his house for more than quarter of a million dollars less than the market price. Mr. Obama has been a chronic smoker for long years, before he cleaned up his act for the nomination bid, including losing all his appointment schedules as a state senator. As a long time smoker Mr. Obama carries a health risk greater than of John McCain???s age factor.

    • Posted By: madblackwoman @ 02/18/2008 7:15:25 PM

      why are you so afaid that a person of color is not right for the job.All the white folk that had the job did what? Is your life any better in the last twelve years. What do you want. Stop act like Hill and throwing salt. I don't like anyone that always putting others down to make their self look good. Is that what you really want? Beside she is not going to be president Bill is ya heard me

  • Posted By: FJR in LA @ 02/18/2008 6:59:38 PM

    Sen. Clinton is not the most qualified to do anything or to clean up after anyone except Bill Clinton.

    The Republican Party has controlled presidential politics and the lever of power over the Executive Branch of Government ever since mid-way through The Clintons' second term in the White House with a broad-based coalition of REPS and INDS.

    That offended and embarrassed majority will never, ever let Bill Clinton get anywhere near The White House again under any circumstances whatsoever, even and including to "supposedly" clean up after another Bush. It just will never happen....
    ...and Hillary is so obviously just trading on her husband's experience now that his henchmen have taken over her campaign. She doesn't get to think or even campaign for herself and will be nothing but a figurehead, like Queen Elizabeth presiding over the 2nd Bill Clinton Administration.

    And before you say that wasn't so bad; let me remind you how tough they were and what their "solutions" got us DEMS.

    .....why even think about taking that kind of risk for two people who delivered us NAFTA, "Don't Ask/Don't Tell", The Gingrich Welfare Reform Act, the Prison Industrial Complex with its mandatory sentences in the Clinton Crime Bill, and an entire litany of half-baked apples posing as "Solutions" that in most cases, have only exacerbated the problems these "triangulated compromises" were supposed to resolve.
    The Dot.com boom is over and Robert Rubin & Alan Greenspan aren't coming back either to manage the economy while The Clintons scheme and cut deals to stay in power and protect their own approval ratings.

    I am a risk management professional; and if ever the potential downside does not justify the potential gain; it is the HRC Presidential Ambition; unless of course your on the payroll or expect to be.

    "Why jeopardize the entire DEM Congressional contingent, particularly in red and purple states, when there is an option that would achieve the exact opposite effect and possibly help grow the Congressional majority, into Obama'sbworking majority for change.

    This is what The Clintons are jeopardizing with every attack of Obama; and they know it.

    They would prefer a loss like they did 4 years ago, in order to stay relevant with HRC in the wings as the eventual Party Savior whenever we come to our senses. Think that's a stretch?

    Well, do you remember Bill Clinton campaigning this hard for John Kerry to save us from the last 4 years; or do you remember him chummig it up with the entire Bush Clan at their Presidential Libraries giving that REP dynasty much needed credibility and softening the Bush brand?

    Say "No" to a Clinton-led National Ticket with the strong possibility of an embarrassing defeat erasing the DEM House majority balanced against the potential upside of 4 more years of brokered, "triangulated" legislative deals with REPS/CONS that The Clintons pass off on us as progress

  • Posted By: maris01 @ 02/18/2008 6:37:08 PM

    TO ALL VOTERS IN THE UPCOMING PRIMARIES READ THIS ARTICLE BEFORE YOU GO AND VOTE:

    http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com/deval_patrick_a_cautionary_tale.htm

  • Posted By: GoneFishin @ 02/18/2008 3:54:24 PM

    The "Clintonistas"? Give me a break. With respect to Mr. Thomas' article and the biased reporting of Obama vs HiIlary: "It's a good guess that the current media darlings, Obama and John McCain, will experience the fickleness of the press before too long.". Gee. Do you think the lovefest will end before the Democrats select their candidate? Wouldn't it have been nice if the press had merely engaged in fair and unbiased reporting as opposed to manipulating public opinion?

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 02/18/2008 6:02:22 PM

      Were you saying that before Iowa when the press was already trying to say that the nomination was Clinton's for the taking? ...I didn't think so.

  • Posted By: MrMagoo @ 02/18/2008 3:51:51 PM

    I love seeing the Clinton's frustrated, they deserve each other. Hillary has been found out to be a very liberal big government politican which this country doesn't need. We need less government, lowere taxes and no more Clintons

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 02/18/2008 6:01:23 PM

      We need to solve the problems, like healthcare costs and coverage, that the "free" market doesn't solve, and we need taxes to do that. There are plenty of reasons not to like Hilary. The overall economic policies of the Clintons is not one of them.

  • Posted By: bemo @ 02/18/2008 3:49:49 PM

    Why does Hillary remain married to a sexual predator ?

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 02/18/2008 5:59:02 PM

      She's married to Larry Craig?

  • Posted By: Jack3213 @ 02/18/2008 2:20:55 PM

    The Clintons are desperate and grasping at anything but sound utterly ridiculous and jouvenile. Neither candidate has experiance, one talks out of both sides of her A-- and the other needs others to tell him what to say. Pitiful display. MCCain is it- he is vested, experianced, & qualified. Period.

    • Posted By: Johnsonium @ 02/18/2008 5:55:50 PM

      McCain is an old, flip-flopping war-monger. Go Obama!

  • Posted By: Phong Nguyen @ 02/18/2008 5:45:02 PM

    Hope and Change:

    Senator Obama runs on the ???Hope and Change??? message because he is short on experience. He has a 20-year record of public service compared to Senator Clinton???s record of 32 years. Senator Clinton also served as an experienced assistant to President Clinton in the Whitehouse for eight years. It can be said that Senator Clinton is running on the ???Hope and Change with Experience??? message. We all have ???Hope??? for our future and want ???Change??? for the better for the current political and economy system. Senator Obama is only a junior senator aspiring to the highest office in the country. . Senator Obama is part of the system just like other candidates. Senator Obama has also been supported by lobbyists and has had a political machine just like his opponents. He is trying to portray himself as a uniter but he attacked Senator Clinton first in a debate by bringing up the charge that she was working on the Board of Wal-Mart while he was doing public service. After wooing his supporters with the ???Hope and Change??? message, Senator Obama now interjecting a reality check by saying that he knows how hard it is to change the system as if to prepare for failure to change it. Senator Obama is a veteran politician who tells his supporters what they want to hear: the same charge he levels at his opponents. In a speech in Eau Claire, Wisconsin on February 16, 2008, Senator Obama said that ???change only comes from below??? and that ???change does not come from above.??? If so, what he is running for the highest office in the country for?

    Iraqi War:

    This is President Bush???s war from the beginning. Based on the information available to her at the time, Senator Clinton decided on a reasoned judgment (her own words) and voted to authorize the president to use military force as the last resort against Iraq after exhausting all diplomacy means and after allowing UN inspectors to do their jobs in Iraq. The whole country was misled by Mr. Bush and his administration anyway with dubious intelligence. Senator Obama did not vote on this issue because he was not in the Senate then and later claimed that he was not sure how he would have voted on it. However, he liked to say that he was right about the war without adding that he was right about it as an Illinois legislator, not as a US senator who had to vote on the issue. As far as voting record on the war goes as a US senator, he voted like Senator Clinton on continuing to fund the war. Senator Obama is a veteran politician with all the complicated political trappings. Please listen to him carefully and watch out for inconsistencies after you are swept over your feet by his charisma and sweet talk.

  • Posted By: barefootboy @ 02/18/2008 5:20:37 PM

    Florida will go republican and history says no one in a long time has won without carrying Florida or Texas and I'm sure Texas will go republicans again.

  • Posted By: Jenn223 @ 02/18/2008 5:09:52 PM

    As an Obama supporter and someone who has respect for Hillary, I have a sad feeling that those of you are stating that becauset Obama gets mostly positive coverage are what he refers to as the "chorus of cynics". And as he mentioned in a now well- known speech- "They [you} will only grow louder and more disonant." Most of the statements seem to be by people who have carefully investigated both candidates. I fervently read most articles that I can find on this race and I have heard both candidates discussed in positive, neutral and negative overtones pretty evenly, respectively. If your chosen candidate WAS being favored by the media unfairly (remember only a month ago Obama was considered at true underdog)- I again have a sad feeling that you would have no problem with it. Ever consider that maybe- the positive coverage is because he is a positive candidate running a positive race?

  • Posted By: pamnjeromy @ 02/18/2008 5:03:39 PM

    Why are they waiting until Obama is in office to dig up the dirt. We need to start now. So that the naive people of the US wake up and realize that he's simply full of hot air. A figment of his own imagination. Simply smoke and mirrors. It won't be the superdelegates who determine this nomination... it will be the morons in the press.

  • Posted By: kenlviste @ 02/18/2008 4:53:23 PM

    I argue with one statement in the article, that the press swooned over Bill Clinton in the beginning. I recall one TV reporter covering the transition before Clinton was inaugerated saying it already looks like a failed presidency.

  • Posted By: chiwawaz @ 02/18/2008 4:47:52 PM

    It is true there is a double standard with Hillary and Obama. They HAVE given Obama a fee ride without question and without questioning anything he says, without challenging his rhetoric. You can bet that if the only thing Hillary was talkinig about they would be throwing her to the wolves for not having enough substance. Why are we that surprised? There has ALWAYS been a double standard for women and men. Women have to be five times better than a man to be considered for anything and in this case Hillary's resume is 500 times that of Obama's. Let's callit what it is: pure sexism.

  • Posted By: madblackwoman @ 02/18/2008 4:41:51 PM

    I am so tired od Hill crying over everything. If you thought that you are the better person think again. If she get the non I will surely go rep. Will somebody tell her to take her ball and go home. She is losing because people are tired of the same old same oh. She has repeated her self over and over. I reither hear someone else words than to hear her keep on whinning

  • Posted By: obamaischange @ 02/18/2008 2:59:35 PM

    I was really excited about this years election but now, it really doesn't matter who wins the presidency. White people can't stand to see an educated black man try to fix a world that ONLY white people have run. I must say you've done a marvelous job with the place. Sen. Obama couldn't do anymore damange to this country than the people before him. Hell, he might just make a change. If you had just said that you really can't handle having a black president (who by the way isn't all black) I could handle that, African Americans, can handle that. After reading all this crap that ya'll have written is just that crap. Hillary has experience because she was a president's wife.....gimme a break..... She has 35 years of experience of doing WHAT??? Some Hillary supporter some where ought to be able to give us run down of her long list of accomplishments. Heck, we are talking about 35 years here. I must admit though, you white people are very tricky, you even fooled the her, oh but I forgot,,,,,, she's now hispanic SOOOOOOO.... Su puede Hillary or what eva the hell that means......

    • Posted By: RetiredMarine @ 02/18/2008 4:31:26 PM

      it is quite obvious that your opinion on who should be President is based on prejudice. "White people this and White people that", get over yourself and try not to be so biggoted. It isn't a matter of who can be the first "woman" president of first "black" president.... how about what is best for america and leave the biggotry and sexism out of it.

  • Posted By: adam in iowa city @ 02/18/2008 4:30:39 PM

    I think the hyperbole about all the candidates needs to be deflated a little, in favor of a more clear-eyed assessment of the options and the possibilities. Obama is neither an empty suit nor a bomb throwing radical, nor is he the second coming. He and Hillary have a lot in common, as this really outstanding piece from the Nation back in 2006 observes. As a Dem myself I urge you all to take a deep breath and give it a read: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060626/sirota

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