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  • Posted By: ryantia @ 02/17/2008 1:28:58 PM

    Liberal media outlets like MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, Los Angeles Times are trying to hijack this election by unabashedly supporting Sen. Obama without giving equal opportunity to Sen. Clinton. They are sucking every morsel that comes from Obama's mouth. No doubt, Obama's speeches are inspirational, but is that all we need to confront the daunting challenges that America faces??? unsustainable entitlements, broken borders, nuclearizing enemies, rising unemployment, housing foreclosures ??? these problems require tough solutions. Is EXPERIENCE STUPID. Do we select an inexperienced surgeon to perform surgery on us? Do we hire an inexperienced attorney to represent us? Talk of CHANGE. Wouldn't the election of a strong, intelligent and a woman with proven credentials herald a momentous change in the history of this great nation? UNITING people. If Sen. Obama didn't have the slightest decency to acknowledge Sen. Clinton at the Union Address, how can we expect him to unite different factions? His words do not manifest into action. Can we trust Obama with the NUCLEAR button when he has admitted to have pressed the WRONG button, several times, during crucial legislature votes? Let us vote with our MIND and not our HEARTS for the future of this great nation.

    • Posted By: smiley face @ 02/17/2008 4:04:32 PM

      The NY Times endorsed Sen. Clinton, where is the Obama biased? Don't confuse age for experience! Just because she is older, she should have engaged in career-related activities before Obama. But in my experience, I've known plenty of younger people with more experience than that of seasoned professionals.
      Do you really feel comfortable with a 32 year back and forth leadership chain of Bush and Clinton? Is that the best we can provide in America? At least Barack, given his unique name and upbringing; given his race has accomplished probably more than Hillary could have if she was in the same category he is. The fact that he is African-American, young, a first term Senator and is leading in every area of the polls says that he has substance. Do you believe that Hillary could have won NY if it wasn't for her husband's popularity and recognizeable name? She is smart, but doesn't bring people together from all walks of life. That' is what this country needs to tackle its problems, a unified country of people willing to work together. She reaks of the same politics as usual. She could at least be creative in her slogans...
      'Change', Yes We Will' ??? Even you as a Hillary supporter should feel a little embarrassed that she doesn't have anything unique to bring in the simple area of slogan development.

      • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/17/2008 5:15:36 PM

        Hillary did not win NY because of Bill's popularity. Hillary has been a household name before, during and after the presidency. That is the most lunatic comment I have heard yet. Hillary is smart and she can tackle the problem of the country. After all wasn't she the one to say in a debate should another 911 hit, she would authorize a bombing of the terrorist without hestitation? Come on, lessons learned is what brings experience to the forefront. Obama is definitely the future not the present. He needs to learn.

        • Posted By: smiley face @ 02/17/2008 6:44:25 PM

          Donald Rumsfeld had lots of experience. Hillary, with all of her 'experience' voted for a war that cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives, now she can't even say she made a mistake. What happened to leaders that said I made a mistake, but now I want to correct it. She's pompous, and runs her entire campaign on catchy phrases, "Well I'm the candidate for change too?" Yes we Can and Yes we Will!" I'm the solutions candidate.... I never heard of Hillary's name before Bill Cllinton's presidency. i would say 90 percent of America is probably in that same category. Oh and don't let me get started about her wanting to now include the delegates for Florida and Michigan, when this is the same thing the Clinton team voiced out against in 2000 when Gore was being snubbed and the popular vote was discounted. YOU probably was against the tactic too... and now you're probably okay with it because its Hillary.

          • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/17/2008 7:00:34 PM

            Where were you on 911, did you go to NY. Probably not. You are entitled to your view and I am entitled to mine. Barack is not ready. The vote on Iraq? Why should she go backwards? Isn't that what the Obama people are advocating, change? Well change in my opinion is move forward the past is done, learn from it. Move on. As for the war, America did not kick and scream and dodge the war like Vietnam. They were sold just as much as the policy makers in Washington. They willingly signed up under the guise of attack on terrorism. Why can't any of you so hell bent on the Iraq issue let it go? We have more problems than just the Iraq war. She takes positions and stand by them regardless. She does not vote present and not stand by her position. That is leadership. You get paid for doing a job not being everyone's friend.

            • Posted By: smiley face @ 02/17/2008 11:27:38 PM

              The Past is done? Is that what her position should be when confronting an American family that lost a loved one in the War. Did you lose anyone? Probably not. Well let me tell you, when all you have is memories of a loved one that was here a year ago and with so much promise, you don't just chuck it up as well that was the past. Hillary's decision, Bush's decision and all the others in congress, who decided to go to war affected the lives of thousands of families. I'm sure they sleep just fine. As for NY. Yes, I went to teh site about two weeks after. I have a cousin who lives in Brooklyn that I wanted to see.
              You are insane that Obama's change is about ignoring the mistakes of the past. The Clintons had their time, its time for them to take a nap. I'll make sure I do my part to make sure that happens.

              • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/18/2008 12:14:54 AM

                Either you want a president who takes control or votes present on issues. I don't understand your position except that you want Obama. I get that. I did lose a cousin. Don't be indignant on me. The war was everyone's responsibility not just Congress and Hillary. What is it you want? Hillary is the solution to the changes we need now. Not four years from now. His time will come. I appreciate the fact you are passionate about your candidate, but so am I.

                • Posted By: smiley face @ 02/19/2008 9:48:54 PM

                  I respect your passion and decision. Does it bother you even in the slightest bit about the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton possibilities. Is that the best we can do as acountry?

  • Posted By: Jrmapu @ 02/17/2008 11:57:31 PM

    For smileyface; Nothing wrong with being a mother. I will vote McCain because we do not need a democratic control everything. Hillary is the only one I trust to keep balance. Right now the democrats have control. I was already contemplating going republican because of the control. As for the race comment, excuse me, why bring race into this. That has nothing to do with that. besides I have black hawaiian grandchildren. and my son-in-law is a great man. Obama is the future not the present. I did say that. I am not leaving anything to chance. Obama will not get my vote. When he is more seasoned and gain experience, then and only then will I vote for him. Not sooner. I will vote McCain if Hillary does not get the nomination. I am pretty sure lots of independents and at least one half of Hillary's supporters feel the same.

    • Posted By: smiley face @ 02/19/2008 9:45:47 PM

      Then why not start off with McCain who has more experience than Hillary...if that is your honest a rgument. I can respect you not voting for Obama... that's your personal right. You are definitely entitled. I wll vote for him because that's mine. I just want to understand if you and others who will not vote for him really believe it is experience that is keeping you from doing so. Bill Clinton was a governor before he became president and he did, in my opinion, a great job. Bush was also a governor and I think he did (is doing a lousy job) They both have perhaps equal experience, where as in my opinion they differ in vision and ideas.
      I think Clinton has just as good of ideas as Obama. I think they are just as good. So she could get my vote. The ONLY reason why I won't vote for her is because. I don't want to continue this Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton exchange. If this is th best we can do as a country... I can not support it. Again, though I respect your decision.

    • Posted By: GTX13 @ 02/18/2008 12:08:17 AM

      Yes, you have confirmed exactly what a lot of Hillary's supporters are thinking !! It's not a secret ! And Obama's camp has to know this sad reality, because they will be responsible and accountable for all mess in the Democrat Party !!! WE'LL Vote McCain against obama !!!

      • Posted By: sarahb @ 02/18/2008 1:31:03 PM

        Democrats really need to rally together. I am an Obama supporter, but if he does not get the nomination, I will vote for Hillary. Why? Because their platforms are really quite similar. And because I believe that our country is floundering, particularly with regard to international relations (but certainly in other areas), and a Republican agenda is just going to make it worse. We need change, and a Democratic president is the agent of that change. Please, everyone -- do NOT go vote Republican out of spite. Think about the consequences of your actions!!

        • Posted By: lamm01 @ 02/19/2008 4:43:20 PM

          As an independent voter, I am thinking of the consequences. And if Hillary is not the nominee, I will vote for McCain. The thought of an Obama presidency is unthinkable and unacceptable.

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  • Posted By: SueNG @ 02/19/2008 9:40:02 PM

    Re: BlessedOne's post - yes, yes, yes - for the fact that the racial barrier has been broken - YES - for that we all should be proud! Your post is so heartfelt and I am touched by it - however, that does not mean he is the leader we are looking for - black or yellow or white or red or immigrant or founding mother/father - right now, we need a plan and I think we are all so tired of deception and falsehoods that Obama's dream of hope maybe supplanted by our need for real solutions. It isn't his race that's the turnoff - it's his arrogance, his gamemanship, and what I perceive as his dishonesty. BTW - the racial bashing on this thread is embarrassing -

  • Posted By: bookworm2 @ 02/19/2008 9:35:17 PM

    Finally a decent couple. It's amazing that their detractors have to tell outright lies to maintain their negativity (see below comments). I'm not surprized, there have always been people on the WRONG side of history
    People like Cheyney and others that supported the south african government in their treatment of Mandela. These failed to see the statesman that had such an effect on his nation and so many others. There were good ministers that saw Martin Luther King as a troublemaker. Much later they discovered that they were working against good and supporting the evil around them by doing nothing. What side of history will you tell you children you were on, a confederacy of hate or for presevation of the union.

  • Posted By: bookworm2 @ 02/19/2008 9:29:44 PM

    Finally a decent couple. It's amazing that their detractors have to tell outright lies to maintain their negativity (see below comments). I'm not surprized, there have always been people on the WRONG side of history
    People like Cheyney and others that supported the south african government in their treatment of Mandela. These failed to see the statesman that had such an effect on his nation and so many others. There were good ministers that saw Martin Luther King as a troublemaker. Much later they discovered that they were working against good and supporting the evil around them by doing nothing.

  • Posted By: solarpower @ 02/19/2008 9:26:21 PM

    Sorry guys--I want YOU out of MY country for a change. You are the ones who are American In Name Only, while your practices, beliefs and policies show you are intolerant, hateful, and prejudiced. You are the ruiners, and while I know you wont leave, I am standing up for the REAL USA along with millions of others who are tired of GOP lies and manipulation. You are closer to al Qaida than I.

  • Posted By: solarpower @ 02/19/2008 8:48:45 PM

    OK, let's make a quick list of reasons to be proud of America in recent years:
    * torture, for any reason
    * a baseless and unnecessary preemptive war on Iraq that was planned before 9/11 primarily to line the pockets of the war profiteers and oil magnates who happen to be the best friends of the Administration
    * the editing of sound science to be conservatively politically correct
    * illegally spying on Americans
    * the continued degradation of the global ecology at a totally unsustainable rate
    * the erosion of consumer protection in favor of credit card companies
    * the erosion of loan regulation directly resulting in the subprime mortgage crisis
    * the creeping power of secrecy, the Enemy of any democracy
    * signing statements
    * ruthless GOP control of Congress until 2006, including Tom DeLay's redistricting power grab and the midnight prescription drug bill passage
    * The Supreme Court Selection of Bush in 2000
    * Diebold
    * the Army lying about Pat Tillman
    * the Army lying about Jessica Lynch
    * Everyone lying about Abu Graihb except some brave soldiers with cameraphones
    * Guantanamo and the suspension of habeas corpus
    * shooting a man in the face
    * terrormongering
    * tax cuts for the rich
    * gay bashing
    * ineffective abstinence-only policy resulting in an overall surge in teenage pregnancies since 2001
    * the continuing training of Latin American right wing terrorists by our military at Fort Benning in Georgia
    * hijacking Christianity (just like some others hijacked Islam)
    * hijacking actual conservative values such as personal responsibility, responsible spending and the integrity of the family unit
    * sacking US attorneys for political reasons and lying about it
    * insisting on spending billions for missile defense that does nothing against terrorism and was meant for the Cold War

    I am proud of this nation's people, and its accomplishments, and its potential. But I am not proud of any of the above. The above have degraded this nation, and it's time to reclaim our better selves. It's high time we Americans relearn how to acknowledge our mistakes, because we are not the best by virtue of being born on this patch of soil. We are only as good as our own actions, not our history. The USA has no permanent claim on greatness, and it is the people who understand the mistakes that are the ONLY ones who can correct them and restore this nation's status.

    Thanks for the reminder, Michelle.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/19/2008 9:11:44 PM

      solorpower-you've been out in the sun too long. Or are you one of Nobama's mohammed army?

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/19/2008 9:04:18 PM

    NOBAMA!!! Like I have been saying, many American's have been wiiling to let the "fox into the henhouse." Hopefully Mrs. BarakStar's crude remarks will open some eyes to the reality of this candidate. These were not misunderstood words, they were repeated more than once in different speeches. She is Harvard educated and well knows what she means, and she said it. NOBAMA

    NO TO MOHAMMED!!!

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 02/19/2008 9:03:56 PM

    NOBAMA!!! Like I have been saying, many American's have been wiiling to let the "fox into the henhouse." Hopefully Mrs. BarakStar's crude remarks will open some eyes to the reality of this candidate. These were not misunderstood words, they were repeated more than once in different speeches. She is Harvard educated and well knows what she means, and she said it. NOBAMA

    NO TO MOHAMMED!!!

  • Posted By: desirep @ 02/19/2008 9:01:31 PM

    The demonic rats (donkeys) of this country must be forced to be equal to the magnificent and magnanimous elephants. Every problem in this country literally vanishes the moment rats are counted out. You are never American and will never be American. If, then take this challenge - Form your own military and fight out Al Qaeda in Half of Iraq. Live on your own money. This country must be logically split into two parts. I don't want to listen to you nor do I want to tell you anything. I don't want to share/donate my money to you (Sorry you rats are eternal parasites - contribute much less than you consume)..

    A Die-hard Republican.

  • Posted By: ssbn777 @ 02/19/2008 9:00:30 PM

    solarpower -- if you don't like it, then LEAVE. There's plenty of Euro-trash liberal countries that are going down the tubes, for you to go to. Don't let the doot hit you....

  • Posted By: SueNG @ 02/19/2008 8:52:52 PM

    Re: Michelle's "proud of America" comment that's garnering so much flak - whille when taken in context of the rest of her speech it's a litle less offensive, for me, when I put together Obama's refusal to put his hand over his chest (something I've also witnessed firsthand in my home state with well-to-do African Americans - these, though, also SPOKE and chatted during the national anthem at a public event) - a form of protest, for certain, but something I deem inappropriate in a presidential "hope"ful, his "slumlord patron" [in the words of the Chicago Sun-Times]), plagiarism, and, most importantly, an unfocused, yet "hope"ful plan for the country, well, I give him and Michelle "As" for arrogance (I'm a public school teacher who has worked for years with economically disadvantaged students), and an "F" for failure to represent himself honestly. C;mon - a Harvard grad, editor of the Harvard Law Review, saying not to blame him because he "speaks good" (my second language students have better grammatical command than he) - he's disingenous (that means "what a foolish boy you are", Barack) - the meaning/idea for that last line I wrote from Zora Neale Hurston's Their Eyes Were Watching God. Borrowing IDEAS and WORDS w/out citing the original author is a problem for me and for most teachers - a student gets an "F" if they've been taught how to cite and about plagiarism, which at least in my district they're taught prior to middle school.

    Back to school, Barack.

  • Posted By: SueNG @ 02/19/2008 8:52:04 PM

    Re: Michelle's "proud of America" comment that's garnering so much flak - whille when taken in context of the rest of her speech it's a litle less offensive, for me, when I put together Obama's refusal to put his hand over his chest (something I've also witnessed firsthand in my home state with well-to-do African Americans - these, though, also SPOKE and chatted during the national anthem at a public event) - a form of protest, for certain, but something I deem inappropriate in a presidential "hope"ful, his "slumlord patron" [in the words of the Chicago Sun-Times]), plagiarism, and, most importantly, an unfocused, yet "hope"ful plan for the country, well, I give him and Michelle "As" for arrogance (I'm a public school teacher who has worked for years with economically disadvantaged students), and an "F" for failure to represent himself honestly. C;mon - a Harvard grad, editor of the Harvard Law Review, saying not to blame him because he "speaks good" (my second language students have better grammatical command than he) - he's disingenous (that means "what a foolish boy you are", Barack) - the meaning/idea for that last line I wrote from Zora Neale Hurston's Their Eyes Were Watching God. Borrowing IDEAS and WORDS w/out citing the original author is a problem for me and for most teachers - a student gets an "F" if they've been taught how to cite and about plagiarism, which at least in my district they're taught prior to middle school.

    Back to school, Barack.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 02/19/2008 7:24:26 PM

    Comment: bullstinkle: the Quintessential UDOPIAN. UDOPIAN simplex is characterized by bizarre manifestations of HOPE and CHANGE according to each individuals individual fantasy of UDOPIA. UDOPIANS have the same side effects, not unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, they are in denial as to reality that HOPE and CHANGE mean nothing; and yet those with UDOPIA feel it means whatever they fanaticize it means. Each has the same basic politically correct response to those who try and point out they have UDOPIAN simplex: you are a neo-con or you hate or other similar politically correct accusations of the day. Someone points out: OBUMER you have UDOPIAN simplex: I see all the red flags of UDOPIA; same delusional HOPE for CHANGE answer every time. Past peddlers of UDOPIA include Hitler, Castro, and Stalin; those who accept this self inflicted disease can be generations recovering if the disease spreads effectively. The blind ,deaf, and mostly dumb (bullstinkle) seem intent on following the blind, deaf, and naive into the valley of the shadow of the delusional.

    • Posted By: Bullwinkle @ 02/19/2008 8:38:39 PM

      Getzel, I certainly prefer Udopia over Paranopia or NoHopia. I feel sorry for you if that's your view of the world -- or people in it. That fact that you're reduced to name calling speaks volumes about you as well. The fact that you keep repeating the same thing over and over, likewise speaks to your limitations. Enjoy the world where YOU live -- you can have it!

    • Posted By: Mike2k7 @ 02/19/2008 7:47:08 PM

      response to getzel:
      It is either the letter ???T??? on your keyboard is malfunctioning or you are outright grammatically deficient, your xenophobic and barbaric views are beyond comprehension.
      Please seek professional help before you destroy yourself.

      • Posted By: Ska Himself @ 02/19/2008 8:03:01 PM

        Past Peddlers of "Udopia":

        Thomas Jefferson
        Ben Franklin
        John Adams
        John Hancock
        Everyone who fought and died to create this nation
        All the men and women who serve this country, in war and peace, to create a better country.

        Is it wrong to have hope? Is it wrong to believe that changes must take place to make things better, not just for others, but for yourself as well?

        I love the "If Hitler and Stalin believed in something, it must be an evil idea" logic. Hitler and Stalin believed in change - violent, racist, zenophobic change. That, my undeducated friend, is a far cry from believing in change. Change for the better.

        Now go work on your GED.

  • Posted By: getzel @ 02/19/2008 8:08:02 PM

    ALL and all its just a bunch of PINKobamas that scrawl. They will see the world thru rose colored glasses till next fall. If their fool gets in they will soon see the handwriting on the wall. He puts in the DRAFT...and I do not mean to the inaugural ball. They may raise a ruckus but Obumer will not let them stall. And that is the HOPE and CHANGE that will befall. all the UDOPIANS that can not see the handwriting on the wall. Butt no one was listening they had all gone to the mall.

  • Posted By: Mike2k7 @ 02/19/2008 7:54:43 PM

    response to getzel:
    It is either the letter ???T??? on your keyboard is malfunctioning or you are outright grammatically deficient. Your xenophobic and barbaric views are beyond comprehension.
    Please seek professional help before you destroy yourself.

  • Posted By: Army4RangeR @ 02/19/2008 4:07:47 PM

    IF anyone wants to know the truth about the Obama's and their allegiances and their
    TRUE foundations, I suggest that you visit www.tucc.org/about.htm.........It's very
    scary

    • Posted By: Bullwinkle @ 02/19/2008 5:20:46 PM

      Oooooh! So right! Scary! I think I might have nightmares! They have the audacity to talk about not being ashame of being black (are you ashame of being whatever you are?) and they are unashamed of being Christian. All of this while professing a love and fear for God. We need to get those people off this planet in a hurry! They must be aliens! Everyone else in the country that is black should be ashamed of that! Everyone else who is a Christian should not proclaim that either! Wow! I KNOW I'm going to have nightmares about this! C'mon Army Ranger. Vote as you see fit and LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE! You (and a few other website hunters) are obviously on a witch hunt! Now THAT'S something I find SCARY!

      • Posted By: Ska Himself @ 02/19/2008 7:54:28 PM

        I like you. Can I buy you a drink?

  • Posted By: MarkDP @ 02/19/2008 7:36:43 PM

    As someone who was a contemporary of Michelle Robinson Obama at Princeton during the Mid-1980's, I can tell you that there is some truth in what she says about the racial divide on campus. However, the problem was almost entirely related to non-White students who were members of The Third World Center, or TWC as we called it at the time. The non-White students who joined TWC were transformed significantly over the course of their freshmen year. I made friends with several non-White students over the course of my first few months at Princeton, but they began to change significantly after a few months of indoctrination at TWC. They began self-segregating and there personality became an extension of their politics, which was often extremely left wing and decidedly anti-American. So there WAS a lot of racial tension on campus, but the vast majority of the problem revolved not around ALL or MOST non-White students, but primarily around those who made the very POOR choice to join TWC.

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