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  • Posted By: Bardh @ 02/19/2008 3:36:44 PM

    Opinion: First of all is not Kosovo any more but it is Kosova, and second of all is not Pristina (which doesent make sense) but it is Prishtina. The Republic of Kosova had to take this step long time ago...maybe 10 years ago. In my opinion I dont see any failing state or country that had fought for thousends of years and the will of people to go on must be considered since they floodded enough blood on the soil which wasnt neccesery not becoasue they wanted but Serbia the most 'Inoccente' country of the world did that, which lead us to remeber what they did also to Slovens, Croats and Bosniacs which give us the result of deaths more than 50.000 people. Whats that WW3 or somthing? Who's right is to kill a man on the street or a baby on her mothers hand or a pregnant woman waiting to give a birth? Did someone choos Serbia to kill these people? I guess no. After year of 1996 Bosniacs were demolated, and started from -0 to builld their state, not that Bosnia is big role state in the world but see where they are. Not forgetting the Croats that had the same luck, where is Croatia now in terms of economic, politic and clutural aspects? Far beyond Serbia. I can clearly tell you that Kosovar Albanians have that potential to survive and go far away by any aspects. After 1999 sine NATO came in it happend only one accident but not a very big one which was cause of 6 serbs and 11 albanians dead. That was March 17-18, 2004. After that nothing special happend for Serbia to complain as they do even for Sun and Rain. Now Republic of Kosova have Declared Independence in its best way, in the most Democratic and most proper way as a normal country would do. More than a million Albanians from all over the ballkans have came to celebrate the freedom and they did it in the BEST possible way, it was a celebration that have to be taken as example have to behave. These are the very first days of their free country the world power have recognised like: USA, France, Britain, Germany, etc etc...so whats the big deal if Russia doesent accept or Brasil, which after few months or years they will do it.

    • Posted By: doesntmatter @ 02/19/2008 3:46:25 PM

      It's better to say nothing than crap like you.
      Croatia more than 15 years after independence and Europe still didn't take them, they are rapping Croatia like underage child, all for the price of being in EU, wow EU big deal, like winning a lottery.
      And when it comes to people only war lords (now Croatian politicians) are better off , but regular people are in a *** hole.

  • Posted By: Bardh @ 02/19/2008 3:33:59 PM

    Opinion: First of all is not Kosovo any more but it is Kosova, and second of all is not Pristina (which doesent make sense) but it is Prishtina. The Republic of Kosova had to take this step long time ago...maybe 10 years ago. In my opinion I dont see any failing state or country that had fought for thousends of years and the will of people to go on must be considered since they floodded enough blood on the soil which wasnt neccesery not becoasue they wanted but Serbia the most 'Inoccente' country of the world did that, which lead us to remeber what they did also to Slovens, Croats and Bosniacs which give us the result of deaths more than 50.000 people. Whats that WW3 or somthing? Who's right is to kill a man on the street or a baby on her mothers hand or a pregnant woman waiting to give a birth? Did someone choos Serbia to kill these people? I guess no. After year of 1996 Bosniacs were demolated, and started from -0 to builld their state, not that Bosnia is big role state in the world but see where they are. Not forgetting the Croats that had the same luck, where is Croatia now in terms of economic, politic and clutural aspects? Far beyond Serbia. I can clearly tell you that Kosovar Albanians have that potential to survive and go far away by any aspects. After 1999 sine NATO came in it happend only one accident but not a very big one which was cause of 6 serbs and 11 albanians dead. That was March 17-18, 2004. After that nothing special happend for Serbia to complain as they do even for Sun and Rain. Now Republic of Kosova have Declared Independence in its best way, in the most Democratic and most proper way as a normal country would do. More than a million Albanians from all over the ballkans have came to celebrate the freedom and they did it in the BEST possible way, it was a celebration that have to be taken as example have to behave. These are the very first days of their free country the world power have recognised like: USA, France, Britain, Germany, etc etc...so whats the big deal if Russia doesent accept or Brasil, which after few months or years they will do it.

  • Posted By: soko777 @ 02/19/2008 3:03:25 PM

    As a Serb, I wouldn't mind seeing Kosovo departing from Serbia if people self-determination is established as governing principle. In that case Serbs in Serb Republic in Bosnia have the same right to separate since probably 90% of population want that. But if the only Western principle is being anti-Serb, as it looks these days, that is really bad foundation for any lasting peace in that part of the world. More than half of humanity (China, India, Russia, Brazil, etc.) already said that they won't recognize this breach of international order by the US, and for many years we will have instability that in any moment can blow up into full scale war. It sounds like many in the US think Serbs will just eventually give up after sometime; very foolish assumption if you know anything about Serb history.

  • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 3:01:27 PM

    TO doesntmatter:
    Maybe we work in the same firm :).
    The life of a villager or someone in the mountain, no matter where they are does not name a nation, Albanian, Kosovar or Serb. We have our share of things to be ashamed of. What is important is that this is the minority, unfortunately what you see in the papers. People do not hear about you and I making a living in NY/USA. Albanians in Albania suffered a lot under comunism and in search of better opportunities they went everywhere. Sorry to say, but anyone I know, Albanian, Kosovars and 2 Serbs work. :::) they are lazy people everywhere. I think I will pick up a hobby if I do not need to work.....I guess teach Americans how to save :).

  • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 1:56:47 PM

    to tanja9581:
    Albania is the poorest country in the word? Where do you get your information from and since when Serbia is rich? Kosova was forced to be under Serbia for 100 years. Let them be alone another 100 and time will show what they can do. Serbia did not provide anything to Kosova, they simply used its resources. Basque are spanish people and they are provided anything but indipendence. KOSOVA HAD NOTHING UNDER SERBIA. Wrong parelel in your end. TIME WILL SHOW, this is right, it will show also if Serbs will be standing still, moving forward or bacward. By recalling the ambasadors from US and Western Europe, Serbia will only isolate itself further and it is a pitty because they were open under Tito when the entire eastern block could not do that. SERBIA had it all and it lost it because of it is own fault.

    • Posted By: vojkan @ 02/19/2008 2:23:57 PM

      hahahaha, hey TonyM i really respect ur opinion here but acctualy u are not in our skin that u can say something against us. i am wondering from where are u, and i will not be surprised if u are pure american.
      like it or not, yes Serbia will still stand and i hope that Serbia will not be stupid anymore to believe in western promises again coz we already saw ur help throwing bombs on our cities and killing inocent people in houses and trains like cowards.

      • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 2:31:21 PM

        Vojkan - I mentioned earlier that I am from Tirana, Albania and lived in US for 12 years, hardly an American but I love America for what it does for its people - creates opportunities and respects the hard working. I have no doubt that Serbs are working people and can do good things for themselves. MAFIA holds back Serbia? It does the same in Albania and we were more closed under Enver Hoxha than Cuba today. Yugoslavia was a paradise at the time, I doubt we can say the same for Serbia now, just because of people like Milosevic. I am not sure how the Kosovo issue will help the country. I wish good luck to Kosova and Serbia. The road ahead is rocky for both.

        • Posted By: vojkan @ 02/19/2008 2:44:15 PM

          in some things u are right and i respect it honestly.

          • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 2:54:36 PM

            Thank you Vojkan. Our words will not change the course of history. I am not a kosovar or a serb. That whole region has suffered a lot. I remember people from Albania who crossed the Yugoslav border being shot at the border. Yugoslavia was a paradise at the time, at least this is what people say. Emigrants who came in US at the time say that it was better in Yugoslavia. Eventually it will just a big Europe, I hope you and I are around to see Albania and Serbia of it, not because of borders, but opportunities and choices to make a life and future. There are 1000's of people in Albania, Serbia and Kosova who want to honestly work and they can not. This is why I like US.....an old saying says "politics is ***".
            Wish you well - you are in Serbia if I am correct?

    • Posted By: tanja9581 @ 02/19/2008 2:13:45 PM

      Absolutely! I think you should check out the ranking on the world list and see where Albania stands...economy and unemployment wise. What is 100 years going to do for them? I really have not seen a huge accomplishment with Albania and they have had it all to themselves. I don't mean to be rude about this but it's the truth. Serbia is not much better of but at least they have a lot more resources and hard working people. What kills Serbia as a country is the fact that it's ruled by mafia. Hopefully, some day, the country will be able to get rid of all the bad government and it's dirty leaders! Serbia does have a lot of potential as a country and very educated civilians ( those who were educated). And yes, Kosovo does belong to Serbia! Regardless if they were forced, like you say they were, they are still a part of Serbia and no one should have that right to take it away.

      • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/19/2008 2:21:20 PM

        The right to secede was voted upon by a democratically elected parliament representing the constituency of the Kosovar population. Everyone has a right to self determination but this did not happen overnight. Pristina would have never acted without blessings from Washington and Brussels. Lets be clear about this.

  • Posted By: doesntmatter @ 02/19/2008 2:51:29 PM

    In finance, what a coincidence, me too
    I wasn't referring to NY not having lights but rather Kosovo, hehe
    If I'm on your place I would take on a 2nd job to support the lazy Kosovo/ Albanians
    I didn't say you are lazy but rather your country man, please explain to me why are they selling their own children to western couples that can't have children? beside being lazy low life I don't see other reason

  • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/18/2008 4:20:31 PM

    International Law allows for the right to self determination. The reason why the UN is flawed and will always be flawed, is that you have 5 permanent members of the Security Council that run the show, call the shots, and when they disagree, they can veto something that they don't like. It is convenient to hide under the auspices of the UN world order when every kosovar independence intiative was met with strong opposition from russian dimplomacy because of their veto power. Plan B is what played out over the past two days and it will continue to play out until the russians and serbs eventually give in. And if they don't give in, it won't be such a big deal after all, Kosovo is better off today and has better friends than Belgrade. That is the cold hard fact that every serb ultra-nationalist is having trouble with as they sleep at night. I hope that the pro-western serbs can sustain power and help to cure the epidemic of serbian ultra-nationalism, only then will connections with nazi germany be overlooked in the future (but never forgotten).

    • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 12:55:11 PM

      Apparently you are not aware that in the latest voting in UN Security Council only 5 out of 15 members have supported Kosovo independence. So it has nothing to do with 5 permanent members and russian position. It's just the US position that is willing to rule whole world without anyone else.

      • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/19/2008 2:49:47 PM

        Not just the US; UK, France of the permanent security council. And then there are the majority of the EU members that support the initiative.

  • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 2:40:06 PM

    TO doesntmatter:
    I live in NY and have lights 24 hours.
    I work in Finance and when you say us, assume you mean Albanian. We have our share as serbs and russsians and italians do.
    However, do not forget that working kosovars abroad helped keep Kosovo alive as albanians were forced out of jobs everywhere in Kosovo.,,,not to bad for lazy people.
    I am christian myself but I doubt that religion will take over Kosova. I guess we will see. Albania wishes Kosova well, similar to Serbia we have enough problems for the country to move on.

  • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 11:45:05 AM

    Tamerlane: I would leave the flag alone. while Serbs learned to shown their anger by burning US, Albanians etc flags, nobody is burning Serbian ones in Kosova or elsewhere. Be civilizied first. And to be truthfull, Serbs had it all and they lost it because of their actions. Give Kosova a chance.
    doesntmatter: There is no parallel to Hispanics in the US and Kosovars and history will prove it. And even if that happens, what will you do? Go to Russia so you be what you call "Hispanic in the US" or Serbia, so you can fight another war? Hague will have the doors open.
    vojkan:
    avavav: right on history, but all Serbs learned from history is that they are the best thing that happened to the balkans. Not true. While I doubt Serbs are bad, the bad, nationalist and showinists lead the country and hold it hostage.
    VOJKAN: the true one who can understand the serb anger. Will their anger make Serbia's life better, will it create opportunities, even if you get part of Mitrovica or even Kosova (you will never see that happen) will the Serbs ever change? If Serbia had Kosovo, will it create jobs, will it let them school in Albanian and have their own university which was closed by Milosevic? Will Albanians be able to work in administration while they always made 90% of the county and the 5-6% serbs held all the government positions? SERBIA NEEDS TO MOVE ON, Kosovo already is.

    • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 1:03:38 PM

      Why until now Kosovo Albanians were using the Albanian flags? If they were considering themselvs as Albanians more then Yugoslavians then they shold just move to Albania and be happy there.Why they have to rebel in Yugoslavia?

      • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/19/2008 1:13:07 PM

        Why are the serbs waving serb flags in Mitrovica, if they don't like living in Kosova, they should just move to Serbia? Why are serbs waving serb flags in Montenegro, if the don't like living in Montenegro, they should just move to Serbia? Why are serbs waving serb flags in Bosnia, if they don't like living in Bosnia, they should just move to Serbia? Why are serbs waving serb flags in Croatia, wait a second, there are no serbs in Croatia, many of them moved to Kosovo after that war. Interesting. Why are all the unemployed serbs crying on the streets of belgrade? Because they don't have any jobs and are hopeless. Wait a second, we can go to Kosovo, strip Albanians of there rights, take there jobs and homes and give them to these unemployed serbs. Thats why Albanians rebelled! Thats why Kosova is free! I shouldn't even dignify your comment by responding to it but this is exactly the type of logic and thinking that has endangered this part of the world.

        • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 1:42:56 PM

          I agree my comment was kind of shallow. But is it not a truth that tensions between Albanians and Serbs in Kosovo(a) long predated the Civil War in Yougoslavia. Serbs keep on telling stories that they were having hard times living in Kosovo(a) back in 70-s and 80-s. Like it was hard for them to get a government job etc.

          • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/19/2008 1:58:03 PM

            the 70s and 80s were a tough time on serbs in Kosovo becuase in 1974, albanians were granted many rights that allowed them to do more in that society. Kosovo gained autonomy, unfortunately, some of those rights infringed upon the luxuries that many serbs had gotten used to before the 1974 constitution. Listen, I grew up in New York, I am not completey sure of everything, but I have spent significant time working with the UN in the balkans. That whole part of the world is very screwed up because of politicians that just played upon people's fears premised on ethnic hatred for there own gain. In the process, many of these politicians advanced themselves economically and politically but screwed up generations of people that to this day, still hate one another. This is a cold hard fact that may never be cured but they will try to alleviate some of these problems in the balkans and it will take time. I do applaud the effort and i think its a worthwhile investment.

            • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 2:30:25 PM

              Could not agree more: most of the problems in the world are started by politicians. Just about any war and ethnic or religious conflict. Take the US: all kinds of people and working together just fine.

    • Posted By: vojkan @ 02/19/2008 2:00:11 PM

      who are you to judge whole serbian people coz of 100 street huligans. U know what!? i believe that u are also not civilizied. i read all ur comments here what u writed..nothing good u didnt said on serbian side. thats why this country cant go on coz of people like you full of hate and wish to fight full of wish to give a lesson, so easy for you to say GIVE A KOSOVO! so easy, dont say me again such a stupidity. so easy for all like u tv siting people watching sad story about others and eating popcorns in ur chairs u can speak how u know everything. if u ask me i will burn all flags who alowed this stupidity without any nonsence and law. come here to see real truth, come here meet us then speak how we are nazi pigs.
      Yes, i am also sick of milosevich regime and thats why we throw him down, how someone can watch on whole serbia like we are terrorists AND YES I AM ANGRY and i hope that u will never be in position like we are now, just then u will feel the same anger like 100 students who burned flags coz honestly nobody here and also whole world dont wish nothing good for serbia and kosovo itself and giving the teritory to albanian will just raise more conflicts. i can say good bye to kosovo if we lost we lost its not only our fault for bosnia, croatia, kosovo... they are also quilty for killing of many inocent people serbian people and what now, what man i am who more watch on my own pockets instead to watch on country, ur will rather give half of ur country just cozu will maybe have more $ into ur pocket but not we here even if we will not have what to eat we cant give kosovo just like that, do u realize it?
      i will like if things here start to be little better coz i am sick of cupidity, i am working on tv station and my earnings late 3 month do u think that i am happy? happy after all what happened and how world see us, of course that i am not happy and time will show all if world still want to see the truth. and answer for all, we serbians we are proud people and never we will give part of land for better lifes. Never i will forgot Kosovo coz Kosovo is part of serbia, always part of serbia and i cant forget like ur advice is, and i believe if ur country have same problems u will also burn flags of countries who did that to ur people, think little about that. i dont like why huligans burned flags but i can understand them coz thats how we feel right now like we are all alone without anyone.

  • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 2:09:36 PM

    To SerbiaForever:
    ...and since when is Serbia friends of Kosovar Albanians? The new Republic of Kosovo will not survive because of educated people like you? - where were the smart people like you when Serbia put the fire to the Balkans and Yugoslavia? MOVE ON.....
    You say you expeled the Turcs?? If you know world history it was Russia who defeated the Turcs. I assume you will say that you kicked the Nazis as well? You would be speaking German now if it was not for the major powers.

  • Posted By: zrak @ 02/19/2008 2:07:10 PM

    Well,since you are interested in history the coronation of Serbian Tsar Dusan took place in the southeast part of Kosovo in XIV cen. Before and after it, trough the centuries long history of Serbian people Kosovo was always been and never ever stop been part of Serbia. To change such a historical fact anywhere in the world you should have long lasting reasons , at least a century of permanent continuity in some new direction. Otherwise we would have small or big revolutions to daily change world as we know. Imagine if we take a year or decade of any history to be criteria for our political and historical thoughts on one state or nations!

  • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 11:50:47 AM

    To nikki: Because the Federal Army was controllled by the serbs, police and administration also.In 1999 they drove over 1mm Albanian Kosovars into the Albania, people killed in mass graves, girls/women rapped.
    And while YES, Serbs fought the Nazis, the last 20 years can not be forgotten: Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia and Kosovo. A lot of unnecessary blod.......= crimes.

    • Posted By: vojkan @ 02/19/2008 2:02:44 PM

      mass graves, look better on statistic, there is just 2500 lost people on kosovo including both serbs and albanians, we are also throwed into mass graves, why somebody dont say how we suffered also?

  • Posted By: Oroshi78 @ 02/19/2008 1:40:02 PM

    Serbs are just showing their true colors now, destorying everything in site. Its about time Albanians everywhere had a chance to celebrate. Long Live Kosova! Thank God this day has finally come.

  • Posted By: mgjoni @ 02/19/2008 10:01:35 AM

    Vojkan, you sure are relentless in spewing your anger and posinous rhetoric. Bin Laden country, Islamic State, all of these bullet point references have been in constant use by ultra-nationalist serbs. Bin Laden countries burn the stars and stripes in front of CNN and BBC. They don't happily grip it and fly it along with the flags of France, the UK and Germany as the independent Kosovars did. Furthermore, they don't even burn flags of dissidents to there cause, such as Serbia and Russia. We did see serbs in Mitrovica burning the US flag in protests yesterday and we also saw that one of the few allies that Milosevic had while belgrade was being bombed was Saddam Hussein and his terrorist regime in Baghdad.

    • Posted By: vojkan @ 02/19/2008 1:27:51 PM

      Really, u saw something!!!!!!!!! and now when u see something on tv like a new evidence why u dont believe... like i told you i am ashame of all serbs who did that yesterday but also i understand them and i believe that you great speaker with big mouth like everybody here will do the same thing if someone other trying to take part of ur country.

  • Posted By: illyrian @ 02/19/2008 12:47:17 PM

    Why are there over 2 million Albanians living in Kosova being that Serbia considers it's own territory? The Battle of Kosova was between Serbs and Ottomans in which the Serbians lost. So in order not to lose moral and save face, they make Lazar (Serbian Leader during that battle), a hero. They call it their defining moment in there history (Some defining moment. Who do you know is a hero for losing battles?) During what Treaty did Kosova begin part of Serbia? It's written that it never was part of Serbia and it only became part of Serbia in the early 1900's. If Kosova was never part of Serbia, then why do Serbians consider it part of Serbia? Conclusion: I think people need to do their own research to legitimize their historical claims. Get your facts straight before you begin posting wild, ill-mannered comments. If you can not write with some intelligence, keep your fingers off the keyboard and keep your finger on a history book following sentences while struggle to read and understand. Maybe you'll learn something and be at peace.

  • Posted By: Moshe K. @ 02/18/2008 2:23:08 PM

    I am proud of my Jewish my Jewish heritage and to pose as some other person would be childish and stupid. Like I said in my earlier post my family was massacred by Serbians and so were many other Jews. We escaped to Albania, the Serbs did not kill us because we did something wrong , they killed us because of who we were. Shame on you for even accusing me of being an Albanian. I have my dignity and my scars to prove who I am.

    • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 12:46:28 PM

      What kind of story is that? When all of that happened? During WWII Albania was on Nazi Germany side. While serbs were fighting with nazis. That's the fact. Just based on that the Albanians shell be punished and should loose some of thier lands just like Germans were.

  • Posted By: Moshe K. @ 02/18/2008 2:03:01 PM

    Serbia is a Nazi State and I stand behind my words. How many wars has Sebia started? Let's see, Slovenia,
    Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Each war the Serbs started were lost. Why? Because Genocide. You can not Cleanse a whole ethnicty, not in this day and age. The world , the Western world does not tolerate Barbarics.

    • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 12:40:06 PM

      What Genocide you and the people like you keep on talking about. Genocide has a goal of eliminating of certain populations. While as I understand the serbs were just trying to mantain the low and order and put down various rebel and terrorist groups and keep the country intact. Just like Israel does in Palestine. Or Mexico in Chiapas. Or Columbian government. Or British government in Northern Ireland. Turkish government in Kurd populated areas. And what governments usually do to armed rebels? They just kill them. Everywhere.

  • Posted By: TonyM @ 02/19/2008 12:32:43 PM

    To doesntmatter:
    Serbia gave nothing to Kosovo exept for using whatever resources it had/has.Serbia did not give much to Croatia and Slovenia either and they have moved ahead of Serbia. A few bad people can not blame a nation, what what you do when a nation (Serbia) kills in the name of unity and religion: shelling of Dubrovnik, masacres in Bosnia and Kosovo. Drug and prostitution is a problem for the world no matter who does it, Serbia a problem for Yugoslavia and the Balcans - wars and disintergration. At least Kosovo will not live in fears of Serbs pushing them accross the border into Albania, kill them, rape them etc. Time for a new page in history for both Serbia and Kosovo.

  • Posted By: tzahay @ 02/18/2008 10:34:14 AM

    Here's how it is done, leave your country (Albania) sneak over illegally into your neighbors country, have more births them the host country and then when you outnumber the original inhabitants you take their country away. This will also work based on religion or ethnicity or both. This declaration bodes badly for the future of nations. President Bush must be mad.

    • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 12:28:05 PM

      He is mad in fact. But Clinton was no better in terms of Kosovo.

  • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/18/2008 8:47:50 AM

    Apparently you good people are Albanians. Otherwise you would not shame the outlet for using the Serb autor. Now let me ask you why Albanians need two states Albania and Kosovo side by side? Let's say Albanians did not like the way government treated them in Serbia. Why did not they move to Albania - their home country?

    • Posted By: alba123 @ 02/18/2008 11:56:58 AM

      kosovo is their homme country. serbs came and took the albanian land. do some research an you will find out.

      • Posted By: I.O. @ 02/19/2008 12:24:14 PM

        If the Kosovo is the albanian land why Albania was not officially demanding it back in the last 50 years in the UN or elsewhere. And if the serbs came and took it hundreds years ago then it's theirs. Like Texas is now part of United States and in the past it was part of Mexico.

    • Posted By: alba123 @ 02/18/2008 12:00:43 PM

      kosovo is their homme country. serbs came and took the albanian land. do some research an you will find out.

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